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30Q: Will the Kings finally swing for the fences?

Sacramento's potential pursuit of Ben Simmons could be the big move that Monte McNair has been waiting to make.

Welcome to 30Q, our annual September series where we ask a question a day to preview the upcoming season for the Sacramento Kings.

For years now, it seems, we have been waiting for the Kings to make a big move, one that will propel them back into the upper echelon of the NBA.  We have toiled through rebuild after rebuild and the most we have had to show for it has been a 39 win season back in 2019.  Should the Kings fail to make the playoffs this year, they'll stand alone in the NBA annals with the longest playoff drought in history, in a league where more than half the teams make the postseason every year.

Kings GM Monte McNair has only been at the helm for a little more than a year, but he's made his modus operandi clear from his introductory press conference:

"My goal is to keep that flexibility and be aggressive whenever the time comes to improve the team.”

Sacramento's two offseasons under McNair have been relatively quiet, but it does not seem to be for a lack of trying.  A potential sign-and-trade of Bogdan Bogdanovic to Milwaukee for Donte DiVincenzo was derailed in a very confusing situation last summer.  This summer that the Kings were seemingly set to trade Buddy Hield to the Los Angeles Lakers for a package that would have included Montrezl Harrell and Kyle Kuzma, but that deal fell apart after the Lakers switched gears at the last minute and went after Russell Westbrook instead.

Now the rumor mill is heating up once again, as reports indicate that the relationship between Ben Simmons and the Philadelphia 76ers is irreparable.  Oddsmakers even have the Kings as the most likely destination, which has perked up the ears of Kings fans everywhere.  Simmons is exactly the type of young talent that the Kings should pursue, and a trade for him would rank up there with the biggest in Kings history.  The only All-Stars the Kings have ever traded for were Chris Webber and Ron Artest.  Both drastically improved the team (although in Ron's case, it was short lived).  Simmons has already made three All-Star teams, two All-Defensive teams and an All-NBA team, all before the age of 25.  Players of his caliber almost never become available to a team like the Kings.

Yet there's still skepticism from many that a deal could be made.  For starters, Philadelphia's asking price appears to remain very high.  According to the Bee's Jason Anderson, the 76ers only appear willing to consider deals involving De'Aaron Fox or Tyrese Haliburton, two players the Kings have so far been reticent to part with, and for good reason.  Fox has blossomed into a star in his own right, and Haliburton was one of the best rookies in the NBA last season.

The Kings have other assets they could offer up, including Buddy Hield, the recently drafted Davion Mitchell and multiple first round picks and pick swaps. But if Simmons is truly on the market, there are other interested parties that could seemingly put together a better package than that.  The Warriors have quite a few intriguing young pieces that might interest Philadelphia, and Portland could offer a package centered around C.J. McCollum.

If push came to shove would the Kings put all their cards on the table and offer up one of Fox or Haliburton in the pursuit of Simmons? It's not a move that would be particularly popular, but it might be what it takes to get a deal done.  For now though, it seems to be a war of words through the media as all sides fight for leverage.  It remains to be seen if the Kings finally get their man or if it'll just be another near-miss to add to the ledger.

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September 1, 2021 8:07 am

30Q is baaaaaaaaaaaaack!! Which means the season is just around the corner.
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September 1, 2021 1:31 pm
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September 1, 2021 8:13 am

Joel Embiid is trying to derail the Kings!

Stop the love-fest! Fight! Fight!

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September 1, 2021 8:46 am
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Your only sayin’ that cuz they removed the other thumb!

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September 1, 2021 8:26 am

Yahoo Sports suggests that GSW is currently the favorite to get Simmons. I’m not really clear on what’s changed from yesterday afternoon. They do have Moody & Kuminga, and could include Wiggins to get the numbers to match. They also have Wiseman, and first-rounders. I’m forced to admit that he could be pretty amazing on a team where there’s nearly no need fro him to score.

I’m good with Hield & Bagley/Barnes and a couple of first-rounders, but when Mitchell is included, I flinch, and when Fox or Haliburton are mentioned, I become very ambivalent. If Simmons can be had, that’s going to be a tough one, depending on the price.

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September 1, 2021 9:19 am
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And that’s based on Bet MGM’s odds, that Yahoo article is. Yesterday’s article by Greg was based off Sports Betting Dime.

I don’t know what’s more reputable or better, etc etc, but Embiid just said he doesn’t have a beef with Simmons (per The Athletic). That people are including his name to make stories up. He then pointed out that Philly fans have boo’d him. And so on. Clearly he’s trying to reinvent the narrative some on behalf of the team that just signed him to the supermax.

Clearly, there’s alot at stake from alot of vantages. But we knew that. That’s always the case.

I think the Kings have a real shot at Simmons, but unless GSW or Minny (don’t see San Antonio doing it) do a stupid lopsided deal in favor of Philly, I don’t know they have more than what Sac can offer.

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September 1, 2021 9:23 am
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 I don’t know they have more than what Sac can offer.

First of all. I would like to know what kind of offer are you implying ?

(If Fox is on the table, we definitely can get Simmons)

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September 1, 2021 10:06 am

If Fox was on the table, that deal is already done.

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September 1, 2021 10:21 am
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Or not.

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September 1, 2021 10:39 am
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Your logic being that De’Aaron Fox isn’t enough to acquire Ben Simmons is? Especially when there’s been sources saying that’s what Philly is asking for?

Why would Philly hold up a deal if they are getting their asking price?

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September 1, 2021 11:48 am
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A lots of things; discussion about extra assets Philly may demand, or Sac demanding an extra asset back, or protection on assets.

Or these sources could be wrong.

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September 1, 2021 12:10 pm
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Rich Paul shoving Maxey into the equation is unfortunate, both for Maxey, and for the math involved in creating such a trade. I don’t think that Philly is happy about losing Simmons, but may be resigned to the reality of it.

With Maxey, to my knowledge, he’s been happy there, and has certainly gotten the opportunity to shine, which he’s definitely done. If a deal with Maxey has to be done, I’d think that barring some really great return, it makes more sense to make that a separate transaction.

Paul is doing his client a real disservice in attempting to push Maxey out of a great situation with a contender. I fully support players having more determination as to where they play, and under what terms, but an agent unnecessarily disrupting a roster is a real problem for me.

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September 2, 2021 2:47 am
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Fox is the better player and will continue to be the better player as long as he stays in the gym. Simmons can’t do what Fox does, but Fox CAN do everything Simmons does when he really exerts effort. They are basically the same person except Ben can’t shoot. Many will say Fox can’t shoot either, but he shoots better than Simmons. Only comparisons between these two.

On this team, we don’t need Simmons to score. We need his playing abilities and his defense. We need him at PF.

Morey has his head stuck up his ass. Buddy, Bagley, and two 1st round picks. Maybe 3.

Monte….GET IT DONE.

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September 1, 2021 8:36 am

Swing for fences .. sounds fun
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September 1, 2021 8:37 am

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September 1, 2021 8:44 am
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September 1, 2021 8:44 am
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So Morey’s on the mound, right?

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September 1, 2021 8:50 am
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…and when we’re pitching…
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September 1, 2021 9:59 am
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September 1, 2021 11:19 am
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But those were tears of joy that day!

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September 1, 2021 8:45 am

Ben Simmons mentioned 3 California teams he’d like to go play for.

Well, since Miami is not in California, that leaves the Warriors, L*kers, and Kings:
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September 1, 2021 8:46 am

We definitely need to find a way to land Simmons……..without giving up Fox, Tyrese, Barnes, Mitchell, Len, Metu, Davis, Harkless, King, Ramsey, Holmes.

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September 1, 2021 9:18 am

A good old fashioned kidnaping it is, then.

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September 1, 2021 9:50 am
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We just need to push him toward a Patty Hearst-style case of Stockholm Syndrome, and we can have everything that we want.

We are the Sacramentioese Liberation Army.

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September 1, 2021 9:59 am
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Man, you’re old.

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September 1, 2021 10:43 am
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My brain just makes the most random connections to shit, meanwhile, I can’t remember why I walked from one room into another.

But yes, old af.

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September 1, 2021 12:41 pm
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Yet you can still use a computer and say things like “af.” NIce!

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September 1, 2021 1:07 pm
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It’s important for me to maintain my Indie Street Cred®, which I value above life itself.

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September 1, 2021 9:30 am

On that list, Fox and Tyrese are the only players I’d be hesitant in parting ways. The others on the list, I’d easily include them in a Simmons deal.

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September 1, 2021 9:44 am

Let’s give them Walton. Make him a player/coach.

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September 1, 2021 8:51 am

The anticipation is melting Kings groups on FB at a never seen before pace. I’ve had to snooze all of them for 30 days just to stop seeing Simmons’ face all day, every day (and the opinions, some of them are just… wow.)
I’ll say it again – I wouldn’t mind an All NBA Defensive 1st Team, multiple all-star on the Kings. Which means it probably isn’t going to happen.

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September 1, 2021 9:02 am

Can’t trade Fox for Simmons because he’s more valuable, can’t trade Hali for Simmons because their skillsets are better being paired rather than exchanged….can’t I just give you Bagley and a 2nd Rder pleeeaaaaaseee?

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September 1, 2021 9:41 am

Sixers already said they would only trade Simmons to the Kings if they get Fox in return.

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September 1, 2021 9:51 am
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Sixers are losing time and leverage. They’ll likely have to bend a little on their demands.

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September 1, 2021 10:48 am
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Definitely. With Simmons leveraging his way out, and the season approaching, everyone knows that Morey’s wants are on ground that gets shakier with each passing day.

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September 1, 2021 10:03 am

Swing-Swing?comment image

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September 1, 2021 10:21 am
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Do it.

Mitchell
Hali
Simmons
Barnes
Holmes

Maybe the most switchable D in the league. Emphasis on ball movement. Clear identity. Then just move Luke.

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September 1, 2021 10:56 am
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Honestly, seeing that lineup gets me ecstatic for the defensive potential. Offensively, it makes me a little nervous. Still, it might be worth it.

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September 1, 2021 11:01 am
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Points off TO’s would be crazy. After that, it comes down to whether you believe Mitchell will be a better shooter than Fox. I believe yes.

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September 1, 2021 11:06 am
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Which wont be a hard thing to do. I love Fox. BUT the fact that his shooting is so inconsistent is a major concern to me. Throw in the inconsistent defense as well.

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September 1, 2021 12:08 pm
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Exactly, Fox isn’t perfect, either.

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September 1, 2021 11:15 am
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This exactly. It’s not like the Kings need Fox, who also has his own FT issues. This would actually be a good defensive team!

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September 1, 2021 12:14 pm
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70% isn’t ideal, but an issue, particularly as it pertains to acquiring Ben Simmons?

Nah.

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September 1, 2021 12:06 pm
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And then Buddy coming off the bench to provide elite three point shooting when needed. With Mitchell, Hali, Simmons, the amount of high IQ passing would be contagious.

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September 1, 2021 12:07 pm
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Hell, that defense is so good, we might even be able to forego Bagley’s defensive deficiencies and he would be a useful rotation big. As much as we all love Fox, we should pull the trigger on that.

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September 1, 2021 12:13 pm
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I just don’t see Philly doing a deal without getting Hield. He instantly lessens one of their biggest weaknesses.

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September 1, 2021 1:14 pm
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I think Philly can remedy their shooting woes in a far cheaper way than paying Buddy $20M, plus they also went out and got Niang this past summer. Niang and Curry kind of negate Buddy and is costing the 76ers half the price.

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September 1, 2021 4:13 pm
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Philly doesn’t really have shooting woes. They shot 37.4% from 3 as a team (11th in the league). The issue isn’t not having shooters. It’s that they have a heliocentric post player and neither he nor their other high usage player (Harris) really creates many 3s for others. They have shooters, they just don’t generate enough shots for them because neither Embiid nor Harris are especially good passers for the USG/touches.

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September 1, 2021 5:40 pm

Solid points.

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September 1, 2021 7:47 pm
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Niang and Curry kind of negate Buddy and is costing the 76ers half the price.

This. And there’s zero reason to think Seth Curry couldn’t handle more volume. And he’s no worse than Buddy defensively.

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September 2, 2021 8:56 am
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I respectfully disagree, about the defense. At least Buddy has some size even if he’s no ball hawk. As for overall value, I think the point is still valid. I think Buddy is more of a star in his role.

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September 1, 2021 4:15 pm
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IF they were to make that trade and keep Buddy, I would expect Buddy to start next to Hali.

But, really, I just don’t expect them to trade Fox for at least the next year.

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September 1, 2021 7:45 pm
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That team can’t shoot.

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September 2, 2021 10:43 am
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Trade Fox? Fine. But only if some combination of Thybulle, Korkmaz, Maxey and/or picks come back too. Simmons for Fox straight up is a steal for Morey.

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September 1, 2021 10:06 am

They aren’t gonna trade Simmons for Buddy. They already have Curry, Green, Harris, Embiid, Furk all as 38% 3pt shooters. Buddy is a better 3pt shooter than all those guys, but they’ll need a lead ballhandler way more than a floor stretcher when they trade Ben.

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September 1, 2021 11:28 am
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Buddy+Fox+1sts

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September 1, 2021 11:03 am

I think Tony and Jerry made some good points about a potential Simmons trade involving Fox and Haliburton. I feel like the Kings would be better of with Simmons instead of Fox OR Haliburton. Having said that, it all depends on what Philly wants next to Fox/Hali. If you lose Barnes and Buddy, or Barnes and a couple of firsts, I wouldn’t do it, because I don’t think we would improve. If it’s Fox or Hali, a player like Marvin (who shouldn’t be getting a lot of PT here) and at most two picks for Simmons, I’d say yes.

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September 1, 2021 11:12 am
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September 1, 2021 11:31 am

Draymond isn’t going anywhere. He is the dubs franchise. The real MVP

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September 1, 2021 7:49 pm
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You might not be wrong, but that’s crazy talk. Simmons steps in as plugin and is younger and better than Green in almost every way.

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September 2, 2021 8:47 am
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Simmons would be able to fill Green’s role pretty nicely, in regard to defense and facilitation, but Draymond, while not a great shooter, is however, a shooter. Dray is also a leader, which I think Simmons could be, but definitely isn’t right now at this low point in his career.

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September 1, 2021 11:17 am

This is an interesting take on Simmons from Liberty Ballers.
https://www.libertyballers.com/2021/9/1/22652118/ben-simmons-trade-demand-tyrese-maxey-nerlens-noel
If you have time, read through the comments on how the fans feel.
Some say the Sixers don’t play Simmons correctly.
Others say he is the type of player that will get you to the playoffs, but lessen the team’s chances of succeeding in the playoffs.
He is called petulant and undisciplined, but talented.
And his agent is described as poisonous.
Here is an excerpt from the story:
“Ben Simmons wanted to be a point guard, so the Sixers made him a point guard — never mind the fact that it’s typically useful to have your point guard be willing to shoot jump shots. They wanted him to get together with their own hand-picked shooting coach to work on his shot — he went off with his brother instead. After Simmons made his second career 3-pointer against Cleveland, former head coach Brett Brown publicly stated he wanted Ben to attempt at least one 3 per game — instead, Simmons went back to not shooting without a care in the world. Current head coach Doc Rivers went out of his way all last season to act as if media members who asked about Ben’s shooting didn’t know basketball because they weren’t only acknowledging the positive things he brought to the table. The fans were down on Ben? Anytime he simply made both free throws, they cheered him on like he had just hit a game-winning shot.”

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September 1, 2021 11:24 am

Okay. You sold me!

He sounds like the exact type of top-end-talent that the Sacramento Kings have any shot of acquiring!

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September 1, 2021 11:29 am

Never mind he’s been in the playoffs and an all star every year he’s been in the league. Never mind 15 years of dogshit here.

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September 1, 2021 12:18 pm
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A perfectly sensible take, given that Sacramento has had the caliber of players like Embiid and Harris, but still hasn’t made the playoffs.

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September 1, 2021 12:26 pm
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I’m hoping this is top shelf Andy Sims sarcasm.

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September 1, 2021 12:47 pm
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Or coaches, GMs, owners, the city, or anything else you want to blame it on. As if Embiid and Harris aren’t better because of Simmons. I’ll hang with facts here.

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September 1, 2021 1:11 pm
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I would disagree with that. A guy who can facilitate and defend like Simmons invariably makes his teammates better. He doesn’t spread the floor, which hinders the inside games of Embiid and Harris, but with both of those guys competent from distance, and with Joel, in particular, being so dominant, it’s less of an issue there.

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September 1, 2021 1:21 pm
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I guess we’ll find out this season. But until then, wins, playoffs, accolades, awards, etc, speak louder to me.

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September 1, 2021 3:18 pm
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I can’t separate them from the context.

Luke Walton has rings.

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September 1, 2021 3:43 pm
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Back to Earth, please.

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September 1, 2021 12:24 pm

All of this is exactly why Philly isn’t getting their exorbitant asking price. Is GSW goiing to do a stupid deal to get Simmons? They were 5th in DRtg last season, Philly 3rd. Is Simmons really moving the needle for them defensively? Philly was 13th in ORtg, GSW 20th. Are they going to trade all their assets to get Simmons? I’m not seeing it. If you’re going to do that type of deal, do it for Joel Embiid. Who isn’t available. I feel like Minnesota and San Antonio can’t even top a stupid Golden State offer were one to even present itself.

It’s an interesting thread, I rather enjoyed reading it. There are some funny sidebars that made it worth reading.

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September 1, 2021 11:32 am
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I already had two cups of coffee this morning so DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO, MARTY!

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September 1, 2021 12:28 pm
Reply to  1951

Amateur. I’m on 4 cups.

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September 1, 2021 11:55 am

I can understand the rationale from the Kings perspective as they can be a suitor considering the context when otherwise they wouldnt be in the conversation. Still even me who watches passing highlights more than dunks, cross ups or shotmakers have trouble justifying this.

Remove being the #1 pick in a poor draft, inflated All Star selections in a poor conference, a defensive reputation that has the safety net of likely the leagues best defender when healthy, an albatross contract and a complete avoidance of shooting and or contextualizing that fact in other facets and I fail to see why I would give up assets for the opportunity.

I admit that those perceptions are informed by a general disagreement of the Kings pushing for wins oppose to the tank. But if you are willing to give some combination of firsts, Mitchell along with Hield and Barnes who do have some trade value currently chasing up an inflated market rate for possibly the biggest question mark in the league wouldnt be my move.

Again you judge by the options available. Maybe two plus starters or the likes of Siakam arent on the table. And Simmons has aspects worth intrigue so I could abstractly come to terms if a trade is done for a first Mitchell and say the one of Barnes Hield. But its an overpay informed by the Kings desperateness and something personally I wouldn’t consider and view as a mistake. Anything more isnt even worth discussion IMO.

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September 1, 2021 1:01 pm

Fox for Simmons. I’m here for it

*Supposing Ben is amenable to being here long term

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September 1, 2021 1:08 pm
Reply to  Inthestarz

Any term is long term here.

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September 1, 2021 1:38 pm
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September 1, 2021 1:32 pm

Here is my final offer if I’m McNair: Fox and a 2022 lottery protected first rounder (if not conveyed it turns into two future 2nd rounders). Before folks loose their shit, this is based on a these factors:

1) Simmons is a better basketball player than Fox, so it will take more than Fox to land Simmons.
2) Adding Simmons to the Kings roster in place of Fox does not make the Kings a playoff team…this season. Kings still have Walton.
3) Things are going to take time to gel and the youngsters in Hali and Mitchell need more time, hopefully with a new head coach this time next year.
4) You make this trade thinking more about the 2022-23 season and beyond.
5) Simmons and Fox do not make a good on the court pairing. Simmons and the players like Hali, Buddy, Barnes, Holmes etc. are much better than Simmons, Fox, Holmes and only one of Buddy, Barnes or Hali. Kings aren’t getting Simmons for Buddy and Bagley.

In the end, the Kings reshape the roster by giving up Fox and a likely pair of future 2nds. They become a defensive minded team relies on IQ rather than athleticism. I love Fox. He’s my second favorite King behind Hali, but I fear for his high usage and diminishing athleticism over the next few years as injuries pile up. He’s more John Wall than Russell Westbrook in that regard. For me, Simmons is the better cornerstone going forward.

Swing away, Monte.

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September 1, 2021 1:37 pm
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Adding one more thing..

Could Bagley be playable, and more importantly, salvageable if he were to share the court with the likes of Simmons and Mitchell? Basically if the team took a defense first approach, with the help of those two and someone like Christie on the bench, could Bagley turn it around?

It could potentially be a nice unrealized bonus of acquiring Simmons.

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September 1, 2021 2:41 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Thank god you aren’t the GM of the Kings.

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September 1, 2021 3:17 pm
Reply to  jjdski

Bet he would’ve taken Doncic. Bet he wouldn’t have hired Luke. Bet we’d be looking at our third straight year of playoffs. I’d take that.

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September 1, 2021 4:57 pm
Reply to  Rosevillain

99% of this board would’ve made those two moves.

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September 1, 2021 3:20 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

We need to find a deal to get Buddy out of here too. We do not need a bitter Buddy in the locker room.

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September 1, 2021 3:39 pm
Reply to  Gregoryl

I think Buddy would excel with Simmons and Hali running the offensive sets.

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September 2, 2021 9:13 am
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I don’t want to know what bitter-Buddy face looks like.

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September 1, 2021 7:57 pm
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Adding Simmons to the Kings roster in place of Fox does not make the Kings a playoff team…this season.

I don’t know. For a guy with Simmons deficiencies, if there’s no improvement in wins, and we’re expecting yet another lost season, is that a trade we should be making?

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September 2, 2021 9:12 am
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I mostly agree except, I’m still not convinced we can’t make it happen w/o Fox. The Warriors have a better offer, but Morey wants a championship, and if that’s the plan for this season, then he can’t send ANY help to the Ws. I think Morey would love to ship Simmons to Sac. Maybe Buddy/Barnes + ? Now Oddsmakers know this is the preferred destination if Monte can just find a way to help Morey help Kings fans…

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September 1, 2021 1:36 pm

BREAKING:

IT’S DONE.

WELCOME TO THE KINGS, BEN!

(Er, welcome back back… the “III” stands for third tour of duty)
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September 1, 2021 2:23 pm
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September 1, 2021 2:38 pm

Dude averaged 14.9 ppg and makes over 30 mil a year. I don’t understand how folks want to gut our team and draft picks for this prima dona. Typical TKH diarrhea of the mouth.

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September 1, 2021 3:19 pm
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You mean the worst defensive team in NBA history? The team with the longest playoff drought in NBA history? That team?

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September 1, 2021 3:30 pm
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Oh I’m sure he will be the savior. SMH, dude is soft just like Bagley. Sure gut the team and give up all of our draft capital for a mental marshmallow that can’t shoot. Sounds perfectly logical.

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September 1, 2021 3:38 pm
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How is a guy who is all-nba and DPOY of the candidate soft?