fbpx
Mar. 29, 7:00 PM
DAL @ SAC
Mar. 31, 6:00 PM
UTH @ SAC
Apr. 02, 7:00 PM
LAC @ SAC
Apr. 04, 4:30 PM
SAC @ NYK
Apr. 05, 4:30 PM
SAC @ BOS
Apr. 07, 4:30 PM
SAC @ BKN
Apr. 09, 5:00 PM
SAC @ OKC
Apr. 11, 7:00 PM
NOH @ SAC
Apr. 12, 7:30 PM
PHO @ SAC
Apr. 14, 12:30 PM
POR @ SAC

What can the Kings get for Marvin Bagley?

If the big man's time is finished in Sacramento, can the Kings get any value for him in the trade market?
By | 141 Comments | Jul 9, 2021

Credit: Sergio Estrada-USA TODAY Sports

Over the last couple of weeks, one fact has become abundantly clear in Sacramento: Marvin Bagley wants out. Between a months-long social media campaign by his father to get his son to another team, a “liked” tweet by Bagley himself about getting traded, declining to specifically state that he wants to stay with the Kings in a podcast after “liking” the tweet, and his PR people blaming coaches for his poor play and lack of fourth quarter success, the likelihood of Marvin wearing a Kings uniform next season feels extremely low. To put it frankly, he’s gone, and likely gone by draft night.

Bagley wanting out, and the Kings wanting Bagley out, as evidenced by Monte McNair’s failed attempt to send him to the Detroit Pistons at the trade deadline, puts the team in a tough position when trying to extract assets out of the former second overall pick. Marvin’s value was never going to be particularly high before a theoretical trade request, considering he’s missed half of his career games and he’s owed over $11 million next season, but now teams can take advantage of the fact that he needs to go, which only further serves to suffocate any return in a potential deal.

Within the fan base and among NBA media members, the discussions around Bagley’s value vary greatly. Some think he’s worth a late lottery pick, while others may say the Kings need to include a minor asset to dump his salary. As with all things controversial, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of those two extremes, and studying historical examples of similar situations can help gauge what a transaction might actually look like.

It’s not every day that former top-5 picks are traded in the midst of their rookie-scale deals, but Bagley’s situation also isn’t unprecedented. Jahlil Okafor, Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Josh Jackson, and Hasheem Thabeet are all examples of high lottery selections moving in the middle of their first contract, but two particular players stand out as logical value comparisons for Marvin.

Michael Beasley, a former second overall pick himself, was dealt after two years with the Miami Heat. In the season prior to the deal, he averaged 14.8 points and 6.4 boards, while Bagley put up 14.1 points and 7.4 rebounds this past season, an extremely close statistical match. For their troubles in the trade, the Heat were awarded a 2011 and a 2014 second round draft pick. Interestingly enough, Jason Jones of The Athletic shared that Bagley carried the same exact value at the trade deadline:

It’s no secret that Bagley was available at the trade deadline, but the Kings never received the kind of offer that made a deal worthwhile. One league executive told me a couple of second-round picks is about all they could see parting with to add Bagley.

From a non-statistical, non-positional, more situational point of view, Markelle Fultz is the other easy link to Bagley. He was far more frequently injured, only appearing in an average of 16 games through his first two seasons, compared to 39 games over three seasons for Marvin, but Fultz was also the more highly heralded prospect coming into the league, leading to his eventual selection as the first pick in the incredibly deep 2017 NBA Draft.

After the situation became untenable between Fultz, his camp, and the Philadelphia 76ers, again extremely similar to Bagley and the Kings, the Sixers traded him to the Orlando Magic for Jonathon Simmons, who appeared in a total of 15 NBA games post-trade, a second round pick, and a top-20 protected first rounder, which eventually conveyed as the 21st overall pick in last year’s draft.

Those historical comps for Bagley aren’t exactly encouraging, but they do help to set a realistic stage for any theoretical deals. While it’s certainly possible that a team loves his potential and sends a tangible asset Sacramento’s way, it’s much more likely that his value lies somewhere between a pair of second rounders and a late, late first, or perhaps a struggling young player with similar potential.

All of these factors put the Sacramento Kings in an incredibly difficult position when it comes to Marvin Bagley’s tenure in Sacramento. They can either trade away what was once one of the most valuable assets in the NBA for essentially nothing, or they can buckle up and ride it out with an unhappy player and his dramatic camp for the next few months. Neither solution is ideal, and neither solution will likely result in any meaningful assets heading Sacramento’s way, a terribly depressing conclusion to what was once one of the most exciting draft lottery outcomes in franchise history.

Patreon Membership
* indicates required


To prevent spam, our system flags comments that include too many hyperlinks. If you would like to share a comment with multiple links, make sure you email [email protected] for it to be approved.
Subscribe
Notify of
141 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
RandyBreuersNeckHair
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 2:50 pm

Way to start my weekend.

RobHessing
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Author
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Author
July 9, 2021 2:52 pm

comment image

Klam
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
July 9, 2021 3:14 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

comment image

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 5:15 pm
Reply to  Klam

That golden ticket was a frickin curse! Vlade ruined our 2018 draft, and our 2019 draft as well, when we had no 1st round pick because of his terrible trade.

How the heck do you recover from two consecutive NBA draft busts?
comment image

Last edited 2 years ago by Kosta
ArcoThunder
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 7:14 am
Reply to  RobHessing

Although if I heard Bagley was traded today for the 20 something pick in this years draft I would be so happy. Tired of his righteous attitude alienating himself from his own fan base and teammates.

RobHessing
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Author
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Author
July 9, 2021 2:53 pm

comment image

jjdski
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 4:44 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Farts! Double Farts! Turds! Double Turds!

ArcoThunder
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 7:15 am
Reply to  RobHessing

Sadly€¦ I will like it

1951
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 1:20 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

I’ll have a Luka, a Lillard, a Joker with extra MPJ, a Trae, and a KAT. I want a Booker, a Ja, a Steph and an Ayton. I’ll have a €¦

AmateurNerd
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
July 9, 2021 3:01 pm

Marvin “Paper” Bagley is a sunk cost. Get whatever you can for him, even if it’s a peanut. A peanut will provide calories, which some other player can use as energy when dribbling with his right hand and saying something smart instead of stupid on social media.

TheOldFalcon
Comments
Comments
July 9, 2021 3:40 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

Sassy Role Playing GIF by Hyper RPG - Find & Share on GIPHY

ohioplayrs
July 9, 2021 5:28 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

I literally laughed out loud!

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:31 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

Kangz don’t understand the concept of a sunk cost. They hang on forever. They even try to pick up other teams €œpotential€ stars like Jabari Parker.

AmateurNerd
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
July 9, 2021 8:00 pm

They’ve used the “He was the #2/3/4/etc. pick in the draft just a few years ago!” rationale way too many times. The second a player is drafted and signs a contract, his draft position becomes completely meaningless. Nobody says, “Oh, we shouldnt acquire that really good player because he was a late draft pick years ago.” Using a player’s past draft position to justify acquiring them in the present is nonsensical. I guess that’s why the Kings do it so often.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 9:09 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

Clearly shows the lack of knowledge and leadership in the front office. This team thought they were good so we need to get that guy€¦.

BasketballHella
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 9:55 am
Reply to  AmateurNerd

It’s their version of scouting and the culture of this organization. The past is always more favorable than our present.

Last edited 2 years ago by BasketballHella
1damutt
July 10, 2021 7:31 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

I had to give you a thumbs down. A peanut is waaaaay more valuable then Marvin. You can plant a single peanut and in roughly 100 days have 10 times as many. If you replanted every peanut that you got from that first one. You would be the next Blue Diamond of peanuts in roughly 4 years.
So to be honest, Marvin Badly (not a typo) is no where near as valuable as a single peanut. The potential of 1 peanut is greater then the potential of Marvin Badly.

SMF-PDXConnection
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 3:04 pm

Can we send Walton, Vivek, and Matina out with him?

Could be like the anti-A Team, ruining franchises wherever they go.

TheGrantNapear
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 3:32 pm

2 down votes, if you get 1 more we can confirm Walton, Vivek and Matina frequent TKH.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 3:37 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

My money is on Aneel. What does that guy actually do?

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:33 pm
Reply to  Carl

He is probably the one choosing in this years draft.

Kingsguru21
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
July 9, 2021 10:42 pm

I hope not.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 9:06 am

You joke, but Aneel was the dinner with Doncic where they ultimately decided not to draft him, as opposed to actual basketball people who had real jobs in the front office.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 10:04 am
Reply to  Carl

Every joke about this team is somewhat real whether we realize it or not.

SMF-PDXConnection
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:47 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Four and counting.

richie88
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 3:25 pm

I doubt they’ll get much for him.

TheGrantNapear
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 3:30 pm

What can the Kings get for Marvin Bagley?
A ham sandwich and a bag of chips?

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:34 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

The ham is a bit much.

AmateurNerd
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
July 9, 2021 8:01 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Only if the chips are “original flavor”; none of the special ones.

LesJepsen3pointer
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 3:32 pm

Misery loves company. There’s no better way to reward Marvin for his behavior than by forcing him to play out his contract in Sacramento (and matching his subsequent $5M external offer).

MillersCornrows
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 11:04 pm

Agreed. And why would the Kings give up an asset to unload him unless they need to do so to resign Holmes or sign another player? Make him prove himself. He’s restricted. Let him ride the bench and set an example with him. Maybe he’ll grow the F up.

ArcoThunder
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 7:19 am

This is the next best option to a late first or 2 seconds.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 3:39 pm

I still say trade him to the Knicks. I hate Thibs, but Bagley will either earn his way or sink, and that’s what he needs.

Marty
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 3:44 pm

comment image

Klam
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
July 9, 2021 3:51 pm
Reply to  Marty

Chip Bag (ley)

ForKingsandCountry
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 4:01 pm
Reply to  Marty

I would prefer Sour Cream and Onion but I think that might be too steep a price.

Marty
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 4:30 pm

He’s not worth bbq, he’s not worth sour cream and onion, he’s not worth cool ranch, and he’s DEFINITELY not worth ridges.

ForKingsandCountry
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 4:35 pm
Reply to  Marty

Oh we would need to add picks to get ridges back.

jjdski
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 4:44 pm
Reply to  Marty

I would take a Bag of Cheetos

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 5:07 pm
Reply to  Marty

WE’RE ALL GONNA GET LAYS!
comment image

Last edited 2 years ago by Kosta
Klam
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
July 9, 2021 6:35 pm
Reply to  Kosta

comment image

MyNeighborTurturro
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
July 9, 2021 10:11 pm
Reply to  Kosta

This community continually kills it with offhand, impromptu jokes that border on Dad-shit, and this one might be one of my favorites. My wife and I watch this once every year or two, and I’ll awkwardly try to steal this joke next time around. I don’t ever have Lay’s in my pantry, so it’ll probably come across as “everyone gets, uh Mission Tortilla Chipped”, and definitely won’t get me laid.

Also, read/audiobook Caddyshack: The Making Of A Hollywood Cinderella Story. It’s full of great stories, but the biggest standout for me was that a coked-up Dangerfield had never been on a movie set, so for the first several weeks he thought his jokes were bombing because the crew had to stay quiet when the cameras were rolling.

Last edited 2 years ago by MyNeighborTurturro
Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 5:15 pm
Reply to  Marty

comment image

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 5:23 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Add the Charlie Brown rocks gif to our Lucy/Football gif Kings vault.
comment image

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:36 pm
Reply to  Marty

Not family size. The tiny bags€¦.

TerzoM
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
July 9, 2021 4:03 pm

comment image

BeTheBall
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 4:08 pm

I wonder if Marvin ever imagined he’d be mentioned in the same sentence with two NBA titans like Beasley and Fultz.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:37 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Kind of an insult to both of them.

FarmerGuy
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 4:21 pm

I still laugh to myself about how bitter I am about Marvin the player and Marvin the pick. Between his father and then Marvin taking his lead to get out of town, I prefer to just insult him before he inevitably leaves. Either insult him by making him play out this contract and earn time from the bench or trade him to Boston for Brian Scalabrine’s pubes.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:39 pm
Reply to  FarmerGuy

Can they make his daddy retrieve and deliver the pubes?

Inthestarz
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 4:27 pm

There is no riding it out. Not only is he a toxic buffoon to the community, but at this point he offers no upside and wont be getting better

You could’ve argued at the deadline that he may still have been able to turn it around, but Ive seen enough to know he wont ever be shiznit on the court

BBIQ is innate. The fact that he’s always in the wrong spots on defense and offense doesn’t get coached on film, and doesn’t get better with time.

He can refine other parts of his game enough to cover for his equal buffoonery on the court as off, but it will be to the tune of a role player who doesn’t move the needle

The image that he is going to turn his career around, and put up stellar advanced stats as well as counting stats is a nightmare mirage at this point with no validity

He’s equally capable of driving down his value even further, on the court this year

Last edited 2 years ago by Inthestarz
Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 6:20 pm
Reply to  Inthestarz

Bagley’s been fine off the court as far as I know, aside from the social media stupidity, which more a sign that he’s knucklehead than a problem. Otherwise, I agree.

AmateurNerd
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
July 12, 2021 9:38 am
Reply to  Carl

Knuckleheads are problems.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:40 pm
Reply to  Inthestarz

He belongs in Stockton.

HopelesslyHopeful
July 10, 2021 7:44 am

Hey, I grew up in Stockton. And while I know what you meant, it still hurts.

2018DraftTimeMachine
Vote Up
Vote Up
LaBradfordsCreditCard
July 11, 2021 11:03 am
Reply to  Inthestarz

Considering you were once Bagley’s biggest supporter, this says a lot about how bad he sucks. Have a thumb for coming around to reality.

Storm
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 4:29 pm

Honestly I always thought Bags wouldn’t even be important enough for a team to trade for him specifically

When we (hopefully) trade Buddy/Barnes I could see him being thrown in to help make contracts match or maybe that little extra push in value to get over the top on a trade.\

I doubt we are gonna get much tho

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 5:03 pm

Off topic, but HEY I HEARD Y’ALL FELT AN EARTHQUAKE IN SACRAMENTO yesterday.

This is from 2019….weird.

Apparently Sacramento people have hella weird names:

Klam
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
July 9, 2021 6:36 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Even when minor earthquakes happen out here in the Bay Area, I always either never feel them or sleep through them.

kingsforaday
Original Member
Comments
Original Member
Comments
July 9, 2021 8:41 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Forgot this video was about Sacramento! I was 5 stories up when it happened – definitely felt it.

Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 5:14 pm

I have a question for anyone longer in the tooth than me.

When was the last time a high lottery pick floundered his first three years with the team that drafted him then went on to have a good NBA career elsewhere?

I hesitate to say someone like Julius Randle because the growth curve was there and he never really “floundered.” I also pause at someone like Jermaine O’Neal because he never got minutes in PDX until he ended up in Indy.

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 5:20 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I think I might be one of the people longer in the tooth than you, but I can’t answer that off the top of my head.

I find it crazy to think Bagley will be the one to go on and have a good NBA career after these first three years of meh.

Some will say hindsight is 20/20, but a number of folks were saying to trade him a year or two ago already.
comment image

Last edited 2 years ago by Kosta
Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 5:27 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Right? Which makes his value even worse. The simple fact is, there isn’t much of a history in the NBA of a player like him turning it around.

I think the idea of a team willing to trade for Bagley in hopes of some kind of renaissance to his career is non-existent. History is not on his side so his value may be lower than many of us realize. He’s basically an expiring $11M deal, and that is about it.

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 5:31 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Obligatory “We had a better deal two years ago”.

Yeah, we’re going to get peanuts for him now.

Last edited 2 years ago by Kosta
MillersCornrows
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 11:25 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Bagley made his millions. Now he’s an artist. I would have gotten thumbs down for saying this a year ago. He has not motivation to be an effective NBA player. He’s done.

Kingsguru21
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
July 9, 2021 5:22 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Jermaine O’neal wasn’t a lottery pick. I’m not sure there’s a comp for Bagley really.

Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 5:28 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

The only logical comps are the ones many of us have thrown around here: Darko, Coke Machine, Stromile Swift, etc.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 6:23 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I think the Beasley comparison has legs.
comment image

Kingsguru21
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
July 9, 2021 10:44 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

And I don’t think those comps, or even Beasley, make much sense. Bagley is an atypical situation.

That said, it’s clear both sides need to move on.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:48 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I am probably longer in the tooth.

I cannot think of a player that has done what Bagley thinks he can do.

Even ignoring the high lottery pick status to add more players into the mix makes it hard to find a player that has come through as a good player. Very few players are handed a three year try out with a guaranteed starting spot. Most players are pushed out of the game before then.

Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 6:58 pm

Agreed. There are players who take time to excel. Jimmy Butler, Kevin Martin, and Jermaine O’Neal come to mind. That being said, none of those guys were given the opportunity and minutes that Bagley has been awarded.

I really can’t think of anyone who rose to relevance after their 3rd year in the league.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 7:05 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I honestly hope Bagley does do something with his career. Unfortunately the first step for any progress at this point is leaving Sacramento. I doubt he ends up being anything special until he ends up stuck with someone as a coach or GM that forces reality on him. Even then I think it is doubtful Bagley listens.

Bagley is going to be lucky to get a two year deal next year in my opinion.

Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 8:13 pm

Agreed. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal, but if the trend continues he’s likely to get a 2 year deal with a second year team option. I feel no one is going to invest long term.

richie88
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 12:00 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Chauncey Billups is the only player I can think of who might work as an answer.

The_Kings_Whine
July 11, 2021 8:12 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I might be longer in the tooth, but I’m not sure how long you have been following the team. But I do remember in about 1989 when the Kings gave up Lasalle Thompson and something else I don’t recall for the 1985 second pick in the draft, also a left handed power forward named Wayman Tisdale whose numbers were pretty much identical to Bagleys right now. I loved the Tizzy flip while he was with us, and as I recall his numbers were best with the Kings; he was around 20 and 7 during his years here. We gave up the Tank, who was reliable, but I just loved Tisdale. His music career went a lot further than Bagley’s to date, but there is always hope in that arena as well! He was always a bright spot and reliable player for the Kings and his attitude just really inspired that locker room. Bagley could be the same if he could commit to it. RIP Wayman Tisdale.

murraytant
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 13, 2021 5:40 pm

Wayman was the second pick but he played for the Pacers for a couple of years.
Weber had an early rocky carear

murraytant
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 13, 2021 5:38 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I don’t know of a comp.
I do know Stromile Swift, Darko, Beasly, the guy taken before Jordan , Fultz etc.

kgdobter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 5:57 pm

Is there another Vlade out there that may think Bags is the real deal…I don’t think so. What ever you can get for him, just do it.

BestHyperboleEver
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 6:04 pm

Straight up? A couple decent 2nds sounds about right. 34 + 36 from OKC. Or something like Kenrich + 34. You might be able to break into the first round by taking a little money back, like Eric Gordon + 24 or something.

Kosta
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 6:15 pm

Make A Deal, Monty! Monte!
comment image

Last edited 2 years ago by Kosta
HongKongKingsFan
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:16 pm

Last year, I have proposed a Monk <-> Bagley

But this cancer only cares only himself, we definitely need to trade him away at draft night or trade period.

As Pistons rejected our previous offer, I would then new propose Josh Jackson + I. Steward <-> Bagley

(we get a energy big, and a backup SF, can play some defense, though JJ got low BBIQ)

and Piston got Cade, no minutes to play Josh Jackson at all.

2018DraftTimeMachine
Vote Up
Vote Up
LaBradfordsCreditCard
July 11, 2021 11:06 am

The Pistons are my other team by birth, and I can say with 100 percent certainty they would NEVER trade Stewart for Bagley.

Why? Because Stewart is already a better player and has the motor and desire to keep improving.

Jackson? Sure. I’d take him and a second rounder for Pervis Bagley right now.

KangzofLeon
Comments
Comments
July 9, 2021 6:23 pm

Curious what you all think; how much does our player development on this staff have to do with Bagley’s mediocrity? Or how would you rate our player development in general?

Just fyi, I think Bagley is simply not very good and the team is not holding him back so much as he just lacks the skill and durability (and maturity) by year 3 to show he’s better than what we’ve seen

Last edited 2 years ago by KangzofLeon
BestHyperboleEver
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 6:39 pm
Reply to  KangzofLeon

I don’t really think any NBA team is really much better than any other when it comes to skill development and physical training. Where I do think there are differences are:

  1. Talent evaluation. Identifying players with the capacity for major development and the present skills to succeed in the context the team plans for them.
  2. Putting them in a role that enables them to focus on their strengths while working on developing the rest of their game.
Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 6:41 pm

Excellent points.

KangzofLeon
Comments
Comments
July 9, 2021 6:46 pm

Yeah, very good points. We certainly seem to have lacked proper talent evaluation AND conceiving of a greater plan to contextualize player skill sets in the first place. A little of both columns 🙁
I Am still skeptical that Bagley’s star potential has been shackled by the team, but he may indeed do better elsewhere
I suppose the question then is, has the team utilized him poorly when he has been able to play?

Last edited 2 years ago by KangzofLeon
richie88
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
Comments
Original Member
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 12:03 am

I’d say that #2 is an important part of player development.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 1:50 pm
Reply to  richie88

I’d say we’re a #2 at player development.

Dub_TC
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 10:11 pm
Reply to  KangzofLeon

I would say look at Fox and Hali, and this staff can still make players look good. Holmes too.

RikSmits
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 10:33 am
Reply to  Dub_TC

I think these are examples of players with inate abilities and are using them.

Is this organization contributing to developing and maximizing Fox’s skills. Or is it just giving a podium for his natural progression?

KangzofLeon
Comments
Comments
July 10, 2021 7:14 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

I’ve wondered the same thing, but we’d have to look at the team’s track record for developing into both good role players and stars, largely via the draft. In the last 15 years, our only all star has been Boogie Cousins. Fox is now on the cusp, at least. The last freakin all star before Boogie was Brad Miller and Peja, for context.

But besides all stars, what players have we turned into good role players while they were still on the team?

2018DraftTimeMachine
Vote Up
Vote Up
LaBradfordsCreditCard
July 11, 2021 11:11 am
Reply to  KangzofLeon

Great question, and one I’ve thought of before. I look at it this way €¦ Cousins was good (albeit a colossal ass), Fox is good and Haliburton is good.

Other than that, we just keep picking the wrong guys.

Robinson, Jimmer, Stauskas, Papa G, Skal, Malachi, etc. are either out of the league or barely in it, while Willie and McLemore are barely getting minutes on their current teams.

Point being, it’s not like they went elsewhere and became better players once they left.

I think Bagley is headed the direction of McLemore and Willie €¦ he’ll play a few more years with pretty minimal impact.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 6:28 pm

Send him to the bench in Stockton. If his brother is available late or for a nothing trade get him and put him next to his brother in Stockton.

Let their daddy negotiate on the open market after the season is over.

Otis
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 7:25 pm

What could we get for Marvin Bagley? To quote a great American poet, there ain’t no Coup de Ville hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box.

Still don’t see the point of just cutting him loose or moving him for second round picks/equivalent salary. Might as well play him, whether he likes it or not.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 7:52 pm
Reply to  Otis

Best situation is letting his Daddy negotiate on the open market next season.

WizsSox
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 7:59 pm
Reply to  Otis

I agree…unless he is going to be such a malcontent and poison the team, he NEEDS this season more than the Kings need him to have a good season. Buddy bitched a lot last offseason…seemed mostly OK this season attitude wise.

Bagley can’t afford not to go balls to the wall and probably fall in line while playing for a contract this season.

Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 8:16 pm
Reply to  Otis

Yeah, if there is no trade, play him within the team concept. If that is a bench big for a spark off the bench, so be it. There is no need to “develop” him anymore and give him starter minutes.

Make him prove himself as much as Woodard, Ramsey, or whoever is there putting the work in.

Make him earn it.

Last edited 2 years ago by Adamsite
AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 9:15 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

If Bagley gets hurt again or cannot fit in off of the bench Stockton is a legitimate option for Bagley in my opinion. If you know he is leaving then allow someone that is desirable to keep take his place on the NBA roster.

Otis
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 9, 2021 9:21 pm

Nah. Bagley’s a better player than any G league guy you’re going to bring up, and likely younger too.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 9:26 pm
Reply to  Otis

He is better than any G league guy but if he is leaving why waste the time on him?

Waste the time on a player that might stay.

WizsSox
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 10:29 pm

If it goes as you say and they are that sure he will gone during middle of season, they won’t even waste a Stockton roster spot on him. They would outright release him or trade for second round pick swap or something.

There is zero chance he plays one game in Stockton…barring an injury rehab or something, hmmm wait a minute ; )

Last edited 2 years ago by WizsSox
Otis
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 6:46 am

He’s under contract. If he’s leaving, that’s a Kings decision.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 7:01 am
Reply to  Otis

Definitely is a Kings decision. If they cannot trade him and they know they are not going to keep him next year why waste the spot on Bagley?

Otis
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 7:19 am

I disagree with your premise, that they’d be wasting a spot. He’s more interesting to me to continue to evaluate than whoever they would likely fill that spot with.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 8:40 am
Reply to  Otis

I agree he has “potential” but his “potential” has never been found. If he is a negative on the team in anyway then they need to move on. If they cannot trade him then they need to move on knowing he will leave as a free agent.

Bottom line for me is they need to move on. Moving on allows them to use or develop a player that might be a positive.

NorCalKingsFan
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 6:33 pm
Reply to  Otis

I honestly don’t understand why you’d be interested in another year of Bagley?

No matter what he does next year, he won’t be with the Kings afterwards. Just having Bagley’s salary next year will cost the Kings 3-4 years of Holmes services, what for…for the development (or lack thereof) of a player who is guaranteed to leave?

Otis
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 9:30 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

What makes you think they are getting out of Bagley’s salary for next season?

And Holmes is a nice player, but not irreplaceable.

NorCalKingsFan
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 11, 2021 4:57 pm
Reply to  Otis

His contract ends next year (21-22), they’d have no obligations to pay him afterwards. I was referring to the take that you’d rather keep Bagley this year than replace him with an unknown.

Keeping Bagley this year and his $11M salary is an opportunity cost no matter what. I brought up Holmes as an example…by hanging on to Bagley you don’t get use of the $11M to improve the team. Also, Holmes is WAY better than Bagley. Bagley’s simple presence on the team could be the factor that prevents the Kings from resigning an above-average two-way C.

I’d rather they trade Bagley for two 2nd rounders just to free up his salary. I get that his production could be more valuable than that, but it would only be for one year (there is no way Bagley deserves the QO of $14M it would take to make him an RFA in 22-23) and he won’t re-sign with the Kings no matter what so I’d rather give the opportunity to someone else on the team who could use the playing time.

WizsSox
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 7:55 pm

If Monte decides to move on from Marvin, that’s fine with me. The return might not be great, but whatever at this point. I still think he can serve a purpose on this team, if his head were in the right spot, but that seems unlikely at this point. The situation is what it is and a lot of that is on Marvin.

That said, some of this talk about how he is absolutely worthless and should be in Stockton is just nonsense though. Yes he probably won’t develop into a star, but there’s no reason he can’t develop into a solid NBA player in the right type of role. That’s may not with the Kings and especially with Luke Walton though. Do we think Bagley’s trajectory is any different if Joerger is still the coach?

The guy averages 27 and 14 per 100 possessions, on decent efficiency. That’s not nothing. Yes his defense sucks right now, but on a historically bad defense that’s hard to evaluate just how bad it is and what’s fixable. His DBPM his rookie year was better than this year. Did he get worse as a defender or just a crappier system?

Go take a look at the PER’s, TS %, WS/48, counting stats per 100 possessions and defensive numbers for former lottery picks like Antawn Jamison and Juwan Howard. They both could get buckets and were liabilities at the defensive end. Nobody thought they were bums. There’s a lot of similarities if you compare their early seasons and those guys were both a couple years older than Marvin at this stage and had played more minutes (Yes Marvin is injured). They both also played 15+ years in the league.

Do I think the Kings will trade him and then suddenly he will develop into Amare Stoudemire/Chris Bosh like we hoped? Probably not. That doesn’t mean he is worthless as an NBA basketball player, regardless of how much we dislike his social media habits the last 2 weeks.

Last edited 2 years ago by WizsSox
Adamsite
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Nostradumbass 14
July 9, 2021 8:21 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

To be fair, Antawn Jamison, Juwan Howard, or Antoine Walker, etc, played in a different era before switching and defensive weaknesses were exploited as they are today.

WizsSox
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 8:29 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Walker’s a good example too. If I’m understanding your point, then Marvin’s numbers should theoretically be much worse then, if his team is being forced into tougher rotations/matchups with him on the floor in this era? Except they aren’t greatly worse. Jamison was -2.0 DBPM for most of first part of career…exactly where Marvin is.

Tons of factors go into a number like that, so I don’t want to boil it down to that, but let’s just say they were all bad, regardless of era.

My main point was that there is room in the league for offensive big men who struggle on the defensive end. They may not be logging 30 mins in the playoffs, but there is room and probably some demand.

Marvin was part of a 5 man line up that played 400+ mins against other team’s starters mostly and had a net rating of +7. Which is very good. To me that means he can be part of an 8 man rotation at the minimum.

Last edited 2 years ago by WizsSox
AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 9, 2021 9:23 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

He might end up being a decent role player. He should be in Stockton if he gets hurt again or he just does not fit in the mix of the team for any reason. No need to keep a guy on the NBA roster that you know is going to leave. Why waste the opportunity to put another player you might want on the NBA roster?

If Bagley is a mental negative or a negative in any way he needs to go. If he can go via a trade then do it. If he cannot go via a trade put him in Stockton and move on. He should be able go down to Stockton and stack statistics which could create some interest.

KingsFaninNY
July 10, 2021 12:18 am

Bagley played pretty decently in those last couple of games of the season, and has a lot to prove to get a contract, etc. so I say we should keep him until mid season and see if his stock rises a bit to make a trade happen.

Honestly, he’s very immature, (see: Whiteside, Hassan, the early years), and that’s unfortunate, but it’s also true that the Kings have bungled his development with Luke Walton and his laughable coaching schemes, etc. I say that they both cancel each other out at this point. He’s not any more of a tool than Walton et al, in my opinion.

He’s not going to go to the D-League, in Stockton, because that would just be petty for the Kings to risk injury to an actual NBA asset that they hope to flip in the near future, and doing that would send a really poor message about how the Kings management treats players, who they don’t like. Not a good idea in today’s socially conscious world. Bad move, almost indefensible, honestly.

I get the sentiment, though, totally.

Unfortunately, this team is going to have to take the high road, ignore his bullshit and just play him hard and showcase his talent, (whatever that may be) and hope for a miracle that the wheels don’t fall off the bus while this is all happening.

Of course, when Bagley plays his mind out, and then the Kings trade him for someone more ‘reliable’, half of the folks here are going to lose their shit and scream about how the Kings organization just Kangzed again, and how stupid they are, etc. You honestly can’t have it all ways, but we like to think we can.

I really dislike the players who came to Sacramento, like George Hill, or Thomas Robinson, etc, and just never put in any effort, and disrespected the City, etc, and forced a trade that saw the Kings leave with nothing. Those sting the worst.

Bogi and Jelly both played hard here, even though they left the team, and so many others have done the same…. I would love to win, but I’d rather lose with the right players with the right attitude and honor, than win with a bunch of prima donnas who are a-holes any day. I mean, I don’t want to lose, period, but I don’t see that happening until we change the coach and get someone who can get the team to buy into playing defense AND offense. That ain’t Luke Walton….

kings4ever
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 7:30 am
Reply to  KingsFaninNY

One thing that turned Whiteside into a player early on is he trained like a beast in the gym. That gave him the physicality to own the paint. It was a red flag when Bagley came to camp last year looking identical physically as he did the season prior when he needed at 10-15 pounds of new muscle.

KingsFaninNY
July 10, 2021 8:32 am
Reply to  kings4ever

That’s a good point. I’m sure that had something to contribute to the situation, for sure…

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 8:44 am
Reply to  kings4ever

Whiteside understood his time in the NBA was earned. Bagley walks into an arena in street clothes because he is hurt and gets paid because he was a number two pick.

Bagley has not accepted the fact that his position in the draft three years ago means nothing while sitting on the bench. Being a giant draft mistake is the only thing that keeps Bagley on an NBA roster at this point.

Time for Bagley to earn his spot.

Brown.says.Good.or.Bad
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 5:21 am

Marvin Bagley is bad.

Please no more articles about him. There is plenty of other Kings stuff which is more uplifting to read about. Well, maybe not plenty. Some. At least some.

KingsFaninNY
July 10, 2021 8:35 am

Like what? This is a huge deal, possibly losing this second pick for peanuts, and the slow motion train wreck that is the Kings and Bagley. If anything, there hasn’t been enough scrutiny, honestly. I’d love to get him in a real interview, not on some blog, to actually dig a little deeper and find out what the hell is going on, from his perspective. And I would love to hear from the Kings, Monte, etc, too.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 8:51 am
Reply to  KingsFaninNY

It would be nice for Bagley to actually speak about reality but it will never happen.

The interview will be simple.

Monte: “I did not pick him and I cannot trade him.”

Bagley: “I am the number two pick in one of the best draft classes ever. I am going to be the best player ever.”

Ralph_Furleys_Tailor
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 5:25 am

I’m not sure the best Bagley comp is an NBA player. Historically (relative to his draft class) he is Tony Manderich.
The best recent comp is John Ross.
Injuries? Yep.
Terrible coaching? Yep.
Lack of development? Yep.
Picked right before Pat Mahomes? You bet.
Completely lacking any idea he is a huge part of the problem? Kangz.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 1:57 pm

Bagley is bad, but isn’t completely useless, and has the potential to be a rotation player at some point if he addresses his glaring weaknesses. Mandarich had a lot of issues, but it seemed likely that addiction and stopping PEDs are what killed his NFL career. Same impact relative to his draft class, but otherwise, they’re pretty different.

Also, we should never forget that Vlade (or Vivek) made this pick to prove how smart they were for going against the grain, and only served to prove that whichever of them made the decision, is among the dumbest people ever involved in professional sports, if not literally the single dumbest person ever.

Last edited 2 years ago by Carl
Ralph_Furleys_Tailor
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 11, 2021 12:53 am
Reply to  Carl

I think you got a little confused. Never said Marvin and Manderich were in any way similar other than the fact that they are very clearly the worst player in the top 5 of their draft. Their historically great draft class.
I suppose I could have made that clear given a few more words.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 12, 2021 11:07 am

Fair enough!

Corneroffense
July 10, 2021 9:33 am

How to start the €˜McNair Era’ for real:
Buddy and #9 to OKC into the Adams trade exception for #6
Marvin €˜bag o’ chips’ Bagley for two seconds
Take Scottie €˜Pippen’ Barnes – Barnes & Barnes at F!
Sign Holmes
Make Fox, Halliburton and Holmes lift weights! Strength is mandatory these days
FIRE WALTON
See Suns, Phoenix (two stars at G, two super role players at F, quick stud at C)
You’re welcome (of course OKC probably won’t do it…)

WizsSox
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 12:10 pm
Reply to  Corneroffense

Why haven’t they thought of this !?!?!

comment image

SexyNapear
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 10, 2021 1:48 pm

Look, as the former Kings broadcaster, I was told to woof for him. I came up with that “great second-jump” shit just to make you fans feels warm and fuzzy. I’m so glad I’m out of there.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 10, 2021 1:48 pm

Just want to note that holding on to Bagley in hopes of getting more value is a little nuts. He’s 50/50 to be injured, and every day this season is a day less another team has to evaluate him. He needs to be moved this offseason.

PissedOffGorilla
Comments
Comments
July 11, 2021 6:44 am

Wait, so a team wants him, and we can be rid of him AND his obnoxious dad?

31e5d010-6711-48be-9603-9660b70c3b6b_text.gif
SacTownKing916
July 11, 2021 10:08 am

I would try and trade Bagley,Fox+player/pick for a top 5 pick and have Haliburton starting pg, trade Buddy/Barnes+#9 to okc or GS and move up to their pick enter the season with a new core

Last edited 2 years ago by SacTownKing916
AmateurNerd
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Comments
July 11, 2021 2:32 pm

OT: Marcus Bagley withdrew from the draft, and I like to think it’s because people on TKH floated the idea of the Kings drafting Marcus just to mess with Marvin and Dad. Much respect, trolls, much respect.

GFunkClassic
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 11, 2021 3:19 pm

Bagley should want out. This fan base has been toxic to him. 4 second rounders combined won’t produce 14ps, 7.4 rbs.

dropgate
Original Member
Original Member
July 11, 2021 4:17 pm
Reply to  GFunkClassic

I don’t think this fan base caused him to miss 48% of his career games (61% over the last 2 seasons). I really wanted Marvin to succeed and prove everyone wrong but that hasn’t happened. His fragility and outsized opinion of his own value has convinced me that the experiment is over, sadly. I hope he can be moved for some value.

GFunkClassic
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 11, 2021 5:11 pm
Reply to  dropgate

Where did I say the fan base caused him to miss any games? The injuries have hurt his development for sure. But I think the toxic fans made it unenjoyable for him to be with the Kings.

What exactly are his outsized opinions of his own value? This sees like conjecture based on his MVP comment from years ago.

The experiment is over when McNair says it’s over, there’s time for the asset to appreciate in value this year. And you’re not going to get the on court production from a 2nd rounder. He’s gon be Diamond Hands McNair and your going to see Bagley in a Kings uniform again next year.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 12, 2021 11:10 am
Reply to  GFunkClassic

What exactly are his outsized opinions of his own value? This sees like conjecture based on his MVP comment from years ago.

The fact that he or his team, (whatever) are whining about not getting fourth quarter minutes when he was absolutely terrible in the fourth quarter minutes he was gifted in the first place.

Last edited 2 years ago by Carl
GFunkClassic
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 12, 2021 4:07 pm
Reply to  Carl

I don’t recall seeing anything specific coming from his team regarding 4th quarter minutes. Any sources I can check out there?

I mean…I would assume there’s frustration there…because players want to play, and even in games where he looked good and should have been granted some 4th quarter minutes, he was not. Luke definitely had some wonky lineups at times.

What this team really needs are young players that don’t want to play in the 4th quarter, or get minutes to develop….that’ll get us to the playoffs.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 12, 2021 6:07 pm
Reply to  GFunkClassic

You’re moving the goalposts from “outsized opinions of his value” to “young players that don’t want to play in the 4th quarter.” Usually, you’re pretty reasonable, but it seems like less so in this case.

I don’t recall seeing anything specific coming from his team regarding 4th quarter minutes. Any sources I can check out there?

Here you go:

The issues that Team Bagley appears to have with the Kings is that head coach Luke Walton has chosen to not to leave his starting power forward on the court in the fourth quarter.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-marvin-bagley-iii-avoids-questions-about-dads-trade-request

And yes, I’m going to go ahead and make no distinction between Marvin and his team. I believe that the strong indication is that what they think, he thinks.

Last edited 2 years ago by Carl
GFunkClassic
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 12, 2021 8:25 pm
Reply to  Carl

The source is from 6 months ago, but OK…Cool. This is unreasonable? That they want some 4th quarter minutes? I don’t see this as being an OUTSIZED opinion of himself. Specifically in games he seems to be playing well. There were a bunch he played well enough to sniff the 4th quarter a bit imo. There were also a few games I had no problem with him sitting. But to be like HOW DARE HE think he deserves ANY 4th quarter minutes….on this roster? Doesn’t make sense to me.

AnybodyButBagley
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 13, 2021 11:03 am
Reply to  GFunkClassic

It should be unenjoyable from the fans to take an $11 million dollar paycheck and not play.

Last edited 2 years ago by AnybodyButBagley
ScottyPop
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
Patreon Supporter
Original Member
Comments
Vote Up
July 12, 2021 2:49 pm
Reply to  GFunkClassic

Any fan bases in the NBA that would have been less toxic to a #2 overall pick that, to this point, has been a complete disaster?

I don’t think so. You think it’s toxic here, imagine him playing in Phi, Bos, NY, etc. He’s had it easy quite frankly.

GFunkClassic
Comments
Vote Up
Comments
Vote Up
July 12, 2021 4:28 pm
Reply to  ScottyPop

No it’s most definitely toxic here for him, and no it has not been easy. I don’t know in what world it would be easy for a 19 year old to reach their dream of playing in the NBA only to play for a team where the fan base shits on him at every turn. That’s not easy. And it’s not a positive environment to grow a young player in.

Carl
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
Patreon Supporter
Comments
Vote Up
Original Member
July 12, 2021 6:31 pm
Reply to  GFunkClassic

Social media is a toxic hell, and it’s something every player has to deal with. It sucks for everyone. Kevin Durant is an enormous star and almost certain Hall of Famer, and he absolutely can’t help himself but get involved with stupid social media disputes. (Look up Michael Rapaport for the latest eye roller)

The fans on social media have often been crappy or worse. I don’t know if Marvin has had it better or worse than anyone else, but he should take some responsibility for being entitled and playing selfish basketball, and for being flat out bad in a lot of areas where he deserves legitimate criticism (but not trolling).

His dad trolling the team and thereby antagonizing the fans has absolutely not made it easier for him. And the Sacramento media has been kissing Bagley’s ass since day one, so he’s always had that going for him.

Maybe it’s an unfair comparison, but if Tyrese Halliburton had have been picked second 2018, I don’t think the fans would have turned on him at all. He’s smart, mature, plays a high IQ game and is a lot more aware of how to deal with the fans and media than Bagley. Tyrese doesn’t stick his foot in his mouth. Not that he wouldn’t have had challenges or criticism, but he’s a ton more likable than Marvin is.

Marvin doesn’t deserve being harassed on social media. But he’s earned plenty of criticism, and I’m not sure he can tell the difference. I’m sorry, but in this case, the fans being “toxic” is an excuse. There have been all sorts of home town players that fans have turned on for all kinds of reasons, good or bad. Philly fans make us look like Mother Theresa.

And If you think Marvin’s had it bad, try being a woman who is a public figure.

Last edited 2 years ago by Carl

Badge Legend

Patreon Supporter Patreon Supporter   Registered On Day 1 Registered On Day 1   Published Post Published Post  Published Post Nostradumbass
Comment Up Votes 200 Up Votes   Comment Up Votes 500 Up Votes    1,000 Up Votes    3,000+ Up Votes

Comments 50 Comments   Comments 100 Comments    250 Comments    500 Comments    1000+ Comments