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It’s past time to trade Marvin Bagley

He wants out. The Kings want him out. Let's get him out.

Over the course of the last 48 hours, Marvin Bagley has made some interesting social media decisions, seemingly in an attempt to signal his desire to get out of Sacramento. After watching his father engage in a year-long Twitter campaign to get his son traded, Marvin followed in his dad's footsteps on Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday evening.

Bagley's first move was to €œlike€ a tweet that begged for the former number two overall pick to be moved out of Sac after referencing the historical greatness of the 2018 NBA Draft Class.

In theory, if that had been the only activity from Bagley, the €œlike€ could have been interpreted as either an accident or an attempt to promote the original tweet complimenting his draft class, but his actions on Wednesday removed any doubt about his intentions. Marvin deleted all references to both the City of Sacramento and the Kings from his Instagram and Twitter accounts, going as far as to change his location from Sac to Phoenix, the location of his offseason home.

Bagley's behavior is a little immature, and frankly, unhelpful if he really wants to be dealt away as quickly as possible, but it's also indicative of how sour the relationship has turned between Marvin and the Kings. By all rights, Bagley and his camp should want out of Sacramento (as should any sane player and their representation, but that's a discussion for another day), but the ineptitude of the Kings also doesn't absolve Marvin from his part in the failed marriage. He's been anywhere from bad to average on the court, has never committed to a physical role in the pick-and-roll or on defense, and his inability to stay healthy over the course of three seasons has hampered any momentum from his excellent rookie season. Outside of improving his three-point shot to €œsolid but not great for a big man€, his game hasn't substantially evolved in any measurable way in his time in a Kings uniform.

Similarly, the Kings are not without blame in this collapsed partnership. They took Marvin too early in a stacked draft and forced both the organization and the player to wilt in the shadows of superstars such as Trae Young and Luka Doncic. Sacramento has also fielded bad rosters and bad coaches over the course Marvin's career, causing his flaws to shine even brighter amidst the growing frustration of an exhausted fan base. If the Kings were good by now, the Bagley conversation would be a hell of a lot quieter and less intense. And by not trading him at the deadline as so many hoped, including Bagley's camp, General Manager Monte McNair has now caused the situation to grow from mildly uncomfortable to downright ugly, and the relationship is only going to break down further the longer that Bagley remains in Sacramento.

The worst kept secret in the NBA over the last six months has been the coming Bagley-Sacramento divorce. To put it frankly, a bad draft pick coming to a bad team with a bad owner was always going to equal a bad outcome, and that's exactly what has happened. Marvin Bagley doesn't want to be on the Kings. The Kings don't want Marvin Bagley to be on the Kings, and it's past time to make that happen, theoretical trade return and rehabbed value be damned. Sometimes relationships simply need to end, and that's the case with Marvin Bagley and the Sacramento Kings.

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KingofNOthing
June 24, 2021 7:47 am

I hope the Kings dont give up a draft pick to move on from Bagley, rather they just eat his contract this year ($11 million?). That is if he is not tradeable without giving up asset.

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June 24, 2021 9:34 am
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He’s a large expiring contract now. No reason to sweeten a deal with picks, unless the return is pretty impressive.

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June 24, 2021 10:32 am
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Put him on the bench for the year and tell his Daddy to wait. He and his Daddy can negotiate in the open market at the end of the season.

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June 24, 2021 10:53 am

Haha username checks out.

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June 24, 2021 2:04 pm

Honestly, if more teams had the sac to do this (unless they really liked their trade return) it would nip a lot of this behaviors from players in the bud

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June 24, 2021 6:43 pm
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Maybe let him play some junk minutes. Every time he does something stupid call a time out to take him out of the game. Highlight his stupidity for the world to see. He might start listening to someone other than Daddy.

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June 24, 2021 7:48 pm
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Oh man, they’ve probably never thought of that!

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June 24, 2021 10:24 am
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No chance of that…

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June 24, 2021 7:51 am

Counter point: Draft his brother and tell him too bad

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June 24, 2021 7:58 am
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Trade Bagley for a late first rounder and draft his brother. That trade may be worth just seeing the tweets from his dad alone LOL

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June 24, 2021 8:08 am
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Don’t trade him and send him to the G League where he can stack numbers which is all he really cares about.

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June 24, 2021 2:20 pm
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No no no. Of course we won’t win with an attitude like that. I’m 15 years tired too my friend, but I still believe in these dudes. They’ll get it right soon. It won’t be without some major moves though.

PissedOffGorilla
June 24, 2021 8:19 am
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I mean, his dad named one of his kids Marvin, so his judgement ain’t exactly solid.

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June 24, 2021 8:26 am

If he named him after the legendary singer, it’s a great choice, IMO.

If after the marvelous boxer, it’s another great choice.

If after the hitchhiking robot, meh, not too shabby.

If after the Martian, I can understand…Space Jam and all.

If after Marv Albert, I’ve got questions.

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June 24, 2021 9:00 am
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You forgot the possibility of the Monopoly obsessive.

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June 24, 2021 9:07 am

Narrator:

Marvin Bagley III was in fact named after his father, Marvin Bagley II.

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June 24, 2021 11:22 am
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Reason #2855 why I love this place.

Narrator:

Marvin Bagley III was in fact named after his father, Marvin Bagley II.

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June 27, 2021 11:38 am
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Great, so there’s at least TWO generations of stupid preceding MB3.

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June 24, 2021 2:05 pm
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No you don’t, I coached against him in HS, not going to be anything in the NBA

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June 24, 2021 2:08 pm
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Was that from one of your inspirational speeches?

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June 24, 2021 1:45 pm

I want absolutely no part of any more Bagleys … they’re like the Ball family but without the talent.

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June 24, 2021 3:09 pm

Brutal

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June 24, 2021 7:52 am

Here’s a plan.

= Buddy and Bagley to Okc for Kemba Walker
= Fox to Toronto for Siakam and Chris Boucher
= Kings #9 pick and second round pick to OKC for Roby, Maledon and # 16 pick
= #16 pick from Toronto and Wright, and two second round picks to Dallas for Porzinges
= sign Muscala and Harkless to a veteran minimum contracts

Starting Lineup
Kemba
Haliburton
Barnes
Siakam
Porzinges

bench – Boucher, Roby, Maledon, Davis, Woodard, Muscala, Harkless, Metu

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June 24, 2021 7:58 am
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Lol that’s horrible.

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June 24, 2021 8:11 am
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Putting aside other issues, I don’t think the money works in the TOR and DAL trades, does it?

Regardless, this isn’t likely the route I would take but I DO think Siakam and Roby are interesting targets. And I DO think the Kings need to take a cue from the Thunder and start looking at bad contracts as an avenue to acquire talented-but-overpaid-players + assets.

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June 24, 2021 8:34 am

We both know that’s never gonna happen as it’s pretty clear that Vivek has no interest in going the asset accumulation route. We’ve been clamoring for this path for years and they’ve never even hinted at that being the plan.

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June 24, 2021 10:42 am

Yet we still manage to accumulate bad assets. Vivek is always two seconds ahead.

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June 24, 2021 9:06 am

you could trade down to 16 pick up Roby and Maledon and likely get a player like Duarte who’s just as serviceable as the 9 pick. I only know the players I’ve seen and Green is the best player of those and Duarte is better than some of the higher rated players I’ve see. We don’t have a lot of cap space to be acquiring an overpaid but serviceable player for assets. That’s something I’ve been advocating for a long time and it’s an effective and yet obvious strategy that has been used effectively by other teams. The Kemba deal gets us out of the Buddy contract and Kemba might be more moveable than Buddy. Siakam will take a significant asset to snatch and Boucher is a late blooming ex duck.

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June 24, 2021 9:23 am
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People rate Duarte really low because he’s 24. NBA team scouts only rate you amazing if you’re in that 17 to 19 range it seems like.

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June 24, 2021 10:44 am
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Could they take Kemba and then roll him to Toronto for Siakam? When Lowry is gone, will toronto need a point guard? I’m sure the contract would be hard for them to swallow, but maybe we add a pick. for the record, I hate adding picks.

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June 24, 2021 9:02 am
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I don’t want you to be the GM. No disrespect.

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June 24, 2021 9:08 am
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of course you fail to provide any rebuttal and I doubt you know these players your criticizing with the exception of Porzinges who yes is a gamble but the Kings have to take some shots.

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June 24, 2021 9:18 am
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Well I will provide rebuttal for Carl then…team player.

You mention that the Kemba deal gets us out of the Buddy deal and Kemba might be more moveable than Buddy. IF true, then why does OKC do that? For the pleasure of getting Bagley as the sweetener to taking on a worst contract (according to you)?

You insinuate not much difference between 16 and 9 in terms of “serviceable players”. Again if true, why is OKC giving Maledon and Roby for the opportunity to get the same tier of player? (according to you)

I don’t think some of these statements are accurate, but the reasoning given for why other teams would make the deal and be in the same situation the Kings are in for these scenarios, doesn’t make a ton of sense.

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June 24, 2021 9:28 am
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Well I will provide rebuttal for Carl then€¦team player.

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June 24, 2021 10:26 am
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Wait, it matters what the other team wants?

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June 24, 2021 2:17 pm
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I mean, it’s certainly more fun to pretend it doesn’t!

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June 24, 2021 9:25 am
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OK. $174 million in committed contract, including $68 million this season (60% of the salary cap), for two players who have missed 30% of games over the last two years and who have long term injury and effectiveness concerns.

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June 24, 2021 9:59 am
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Besides that though

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June 24, 2021 1:49 pm
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Three thumbs up, 32 down in your last three posts

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June 24, 2021 4:14 pm

And that’s suppose to mean something. You’re record is pretty poor and I’ve got 2 high school state championships in my pocket.

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June 24, 2021 5:32 pm
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And 4 touchdowns in a single game?

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June 24, 2021 10:03 pm
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Polk High represent!

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June 24, 2021 10:26 pm
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Do High Schools have GM’s? Lots of trades and draft pick swaps there.

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June 25, 2021 12:50 pm
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The schools are in Canada, you wouldn’t know them!

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June 25, 2021 4:10 pm
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LOL, wow €¦ high school. Cool story.

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June 25, 2021 6:57 pm
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I am rubber you are glue€¦€¦ everything I say makes the kings suck longer for you!

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June 28, 2021 1:20 pm
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You’re still wearing your letter jacket, aren’t you.

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June 27, 2021 11:40 am
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Pete D? Is that you?

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June 29, 2021 4:34 pm
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Kemba and KP are both injury prone- have to get an orthopedic ward in the trade to make it work.
and build around Fox and his age.
Roby is ok but he was kok for a bad team. Same as E. Paschal with duds last year- made all rookie team.

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June 25, 2021 4:09 pm
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LOL

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June 24, 2021 10:17 am
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Well, that’s certainly one way to get a top 4 pick in 2022.

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June 24, 2021 10:41 am

Maybe that’s the plan?

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June 24, 2021 10:31 am
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15 down votes has to be a record.

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June 24, 2021 1:49 pm
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No No not even close to a record. I got over 30 down votes when I criticized the George Hill signing, then about that many when I criticized the Dedmon signing, almost that many when I said we grossly overpaid for COJO. Then double digit down votes when I wanted Jeremy Grant when he was on OKC. I’ll stick by my record which many hate when I remind people. I’ll add somewhere close to this many when I said moving down to get Justin Jackson and Giles instead of drafting Adebayo was a huge mistake. I did get some thumbs up when I said Vlade was perhaps the worst NBA executive ever 2 years prior to his resignation. I think that’s a pretty good record.

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June 24, 2021 2:21 pm
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Were we even on this platform when those first two events happened? Because I’m pretty sure StR didn’t have a “thumbs down” option.

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June 24, 2021 3:05 pm
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Correct.

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June 24, 2021 4:11 pm

Incorrect

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June 24, 2021 4:10 pm
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On str. Where I got hammered for criticizing the Hill signing as soon as it occurred. You remember all that mentoring talk and how I said how much that mentoring meant. I also hammered Hessing (section ) for his Dedmon recommendation. One of the few times someone actually proposes something that actually happens.

So you would never admit it of course. I’ll stick by my record.

Say hi to Joel for me.

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June 25, 2021 6:34 am
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Sorry, man.

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June 25, 2021 4:13 pm
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Yeah, four obvious takes amidst hundreds of absurd trades that literally nobody wants €¦ congrats, I guess?

Is there any way you consider maybe finding another team or at least not posting in public?

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June 25, 2021 4:11 pm
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It’s almost 30 now.

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June 24, 2021 1:47 pm
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Pretty good thumbs up to thumbs down ratio here

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June 24, 2021 2:24 pm
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I really tried to downvote you an additional 17 times.

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June 24, 2021 4:18 pm
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I will you could have that would have brought me up to the rebuttal level I got on Str when I criticized the Hill signing as soon as it occurred. The pack mentality was all running wild with the mentoring term which I debunked. When’s the last time you heard that word.

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June 25, 2021 6:51 pm
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Geez you like cap hell, players unable to stay healthy, and making sure we miss the playoffs at least 18 years straight minimum. Other than that maybe we can move up and get the 8th pick next year with that roster.

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June 24, 2021 8:03 am

Hopefully he doesn’t lose any endorsements

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June 24, 2021 8:07 am
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The Walking Boot, by Bagley.

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June 24, 2021 8:11 am
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These Boots Are Made For Walkin’, by Sinatra.

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June 24, 2021 10:45 am
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This is amazing

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June 24, 2021 10:46 am
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Bravo.

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June 24, 2021 8:06 am

I hope the FO takes a hard line stance on this. Don’t let DoucheBagley set a precedent where a player can immaturely pout their way out of town. Bagley is screwing over the Kings and their fans in more ways than one. His already low trade value is cratering with each douchebag move he makes which only makes it more difficult to trade him and makes him a King even longer which is obviously not what he or his infantile family want. You know behind the scenes the FO and Bagley have an agreement that they’ll do all they can to trade him this offseason, yet Bagley can’t maintain basic professionalism and stop with the infanitle social media antics. Dude needs to grow up.
I hope Monte and Vivek grow a pair and hold out for a fair trade and don’t just unload him for nothing. At the very least, he should be included as a piece in a trade (a sweetner) involving Buddy or Barnes or perhaps a bigger trade where we acquire an all star with a bunch of players go both ways.
Just my take, excuse me if I made it to personal, but I take Bagley’s behavior personal as a King’s fan.

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June 24, 2021 8:22 am
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What if nothing for Bagley IS a fair trade value?

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June 24, 2021 8:30 am

I was told there was a bag of chips.

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June 24, 2021 8:34 am
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Bagley isn’t screwing over anyone.

His value has tanked because he’s a bad basketball player. All the drama doesn’t replace that simple fact. His father’s tweets don’t set market value, his play does. And right now he’s a backup big with lots of upside, a typical term used for any young, below average player.

Although to be fair, I should probably check in with AM Radio Board Op Guy to see if I’m fanning correctly this morning.

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June 24, 2021 8:42 am
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This.

He has absolutely no power. If his value has tanked to the point where we have to give something up for him then keep him, unless packaged on a Buddy trade

On the court, he’s should not be gifted the starting job again, he needs to accept a bench PF-C scoring-rebounding role where he will excel for 15-24 min, then his value will be acceptable again at the deadline.

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June 24, 2021 9:04 am
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Although to be fair, I should probably check in with AM Radio Board Op Guy to see if I’m fanning correctly this morning.

Never forget that you were wrong once.

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June 24, 2021 9:23 am
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The fun thing about being a King fan, is this comes with the caveat that 2 of his 3 years have been under Luke Walton who ha seemingly minimized the talent / development of many player on the Lakers and Kings.

This isn’t to absolve Bagley. He’s been mediocre and he hasn’t done anything to show he deserve a bigger role or to justify his draft slot / salary. However, there are probably smarter ways to use him when he’ been healthy.

So any trade is going to come with 75% relief that this turbulent chapter is over and 25% dread that even if Bagley isn’t a star player, that another coach will unlock his potential and we’ll have downgraded our talent again in order to keep a meh coach.

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June 24, 2021 9:35 am
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Imagine how good Fox, Haliburton, and Holmes will be if we replace Walton!

i think The Running Joerger Offense was probably the best way to use Bagley.

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June 24, 2021 9:41 am
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Hate to give Walton credit and I am, while understanding that some don’t, but Fox, Holmes, and Hali all had awesome offensive seasons.

Just need a coach to put offense and defense together. That’s not Walton.

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June 24, 2021 9:43 am
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And somehow the team didn’t improve even one game. It’s sort of an amazing level of incompetence.

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June 24, 2021 10:13 am
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If anything, this season felt like a slight overperformance.

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June 24, 2021 10:33 am

By the advanced numbers, they overperformed recordwise (by three wins if you believe BBRef, 4 if you believe ESPN).

The team went from 18th in NetRating under Joerger to 21st and 24th subsequently. This, with “career years” from a few players.

The trendlines are not encouraging.

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June 24, 2021 10:50 am

Especially considering the defensive woes.

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June 24, 2021 10:49 am
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It’s kind of magical.

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June 24, 2021 12:03 pm

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June 24, 2021 9:50 am
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Fox made a big leap under Joerger. BPM is far from perfect, but he leaped from -4.2 to 1.5 under Joerger (part of that is just natural learning and us running a faster pace). In two years with Walton, he’s a been a 1.8 and 1.4 (though OBPM has improved and DBPM has gone down).

Holmes it is fair to give Walton credit, if we are going to ding him for other players.

Hali is tricky, just because he is a good basketball player. We don’t really have a contrast here.

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June 24, 2021 10:01 am
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Complete understand the advanced stats don’t look pretty for Fox and did not improve, but I’m trusting my eye test on this one. The biggest things Kings fans needed proven was “Is he a #1 option for this team? Can he shoot the 3 confidently?”

I think he answered those. The 1st question was answered by default because who else do we got, but he still did it. And it was all under Walton as head coach this year so I gotta give him some credit.

But I still agree with the advanced stays arguments yes.

On Hali, I agree his talent and IQ were already there, but again he had a great season with Walton as HC so I gotta give Walton some credit.

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June 24, 2021 10:34 am
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He shoots the three confidently, just not very successfully.

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June 24, 2021 10:37 am
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Even that makes a huge difference in his game in opening up the drive for him.

Unlike Simmons and Giannis.

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June 24, 2021 10:59 am
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Not against good defenses. If this team were in the playoffs, guys would absolutely play off Fox, go under screens, etc.

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June 24, 2021 11:06 am
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I don’t think we can assume anything about Fox in playoffs until it actually happens. While I agree, sagging off him is still a sound strategy tho he’s not a complete loss like Simmons or lesser losses like Giannis and Westbrook.

Hopefully Fox will be in the 35% range or higher by then to make them pay.

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June 25, 2021 8:37 am
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Seriously, four thumbs up for this? Giannis and Westbrook are likely Hall of Famers. Simmons is the best defensive player and one of the top playmakers in the league. All three have spent their entire careers in the playoffs. Fox is really good at running fast.

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June 24, 2021 9:54 am
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That’s the issue. Walton just let Fox and co. go all run-and-gun and play like their in an All Star game (and maybe that’s why the players like him so much because they aren’t getting yelled at and get to score points). And even with all that “improved offense” they literally had the same record as last.

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June 24, 2021 9:58 am
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Completely understand all the arguments about the results of the team and I for one knew I was walking a thin line giving Luke credit, but Fox did have a different mentality as THE guy at the end of games this year. Something he didn’t have under Joerger but showed towards the end of last year under Luke, so I’m just trying to connect dots.

That was really all I wanted to see from Fox along with a willingness to shoot 3s, so in my mind Luke deserves SOME not all credit for that.

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June 24, 2021 9:57 am
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i think The Running Joerger Offense was probably the best way to use Bagley.

But he wasn’t nice to the players! God, Vlade is so stupid.

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June 24, 2021 8:58 pm
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I thought it was the feud w/Williams that supposedly led to Joerger’s firing?

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June 27, 2021 11:46 am
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TBF it was telling that none of the players said a damn thing when he was fired, no other team has offered him a HC job or even interviewed him this season, and there was a running complaint about him being a jerk to the media. It’s pretty clear he’s a very difficult person to work with, and he’s not a good enough coach to make it worth the effort.

I’d still take him on a billion-year Scientology-style contract over one more year of Walton, though.

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June 24, 2021 12:13 pm
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Here is a harder one to swallow. Imagine how good fox, haliburton and Holmes would be on a team that can develop and knew wtf they were doing.

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June 24, 2021 10:30 am
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I don’t think it’s coincidental that about 90% of StR thought Bagley had a great rookie season under Joerger, and maybe 40% still held out hope Vlade was right (that he would turn out to be a better player than Luka).

Then Luke Walton happened.

I’ll still think that Bagley’s ceiling is probably a bench big on a good team, but there’s no point in just cutting him loose. Bagley’s using what little leverage he has, and McNair is under no obligation to even acknowledge it.

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June 24, 2021 11:26 am
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Fully agree. Even if we never fried Joerger, he was never going to be better than Doncic. But said at the time of the draft that the team that took him would need to use him as a unique, offensive weapon and focus on getting him into space and cutting, especially early on.

Joerger did a solid job of that, partially with our pace. Walton really has not, though to be fair, Bagley has been hurt. Thought Dallas would have been a good place for Bagley in 2018. Carlisle is very creative and thought he could have taken advantage of him at minimum the same way he does with Powell.