The NBA Trade Deadline is just a few days away and the rumor mill is churning. The Kings have been mentioned a ton but we’ve yet to see anything really concrete.
Perhaps the first real idea of what the Kings may be pursuing comes in a new report from Yahoo’s Chris Haynes.
The Sacramento Kings have made the No. 2 pick in the 2018 NBA draft available for a trade, with the Kings recently being turned down by the Detroit Pistons, having offered Bagley III for promising rookie Saddiq Bey, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Bey was the 19th pick in this year’s draft and has had a promising start to his NBA career, averaging 10.5 points, 4.1 rebounds and 1.2 assists. He’s also an older rookie, only about two weeks younger than Marvin Bagley III, who is in his third season. Still, given that Detroit would have to make a decision on Bagley in a year, in comparison to having Bey under team control for three more years (at frankly a more valuable position), it makes sense why that offer would be rejected.
This rejected offer is also in line with a report from Bleacher Report’s Jake Fisher, in which he describes Sacramento’s asking price for Bagley as a “first-round pick”.
While Bagley doesn’t seem to be considered part of the team’s long-term future anymore, the Kings also don’t seem willing to part with him unless they get decent value back. Both reports from Haynes and Fisher seem to indicate that Bagley III himself wants a change of scenery, and who can honestly blame him? His time in Sacramento has been rough to say the least, with constant comparisons to Luka Doncic and a multitude of injuries, the latest being a fractured hand that is sidelining him for at least four weeks. It seems inevitable that the Kings will eventually move on, but it remains to be seen if that will happen by the deadline.
Vlade. LMAO
I would have been pretty happy if the Kings had gotten Bey for Bagley.
That and the rejection by the Pistons, if true, is such a big “ouch” in terms of Bagley’s place in the NBA at this point.
If there salaries were the same I would agree, but Bey making less the next three years combined than Bagley next season
Dreamer
Everyone except Vlade, The Kong’s Organization, Amnouncers etc and many fans could see Bagely was shit from the jump. He NEVER looked like a good NBA player and he never will be. It’s easy to see that and tiring, constantly having people question the obvious view.
Yes, so easy. Are you kidding
I’d be happy if they get rid of Bags for anything/nothing.
Damn, and I thought I was extreme.
Not a dig Amonk81, I hear ya. The desire to move on is just SO STRONG!
Ha. It’s true. I’m just sick of /frustrated with this organization always doing the wrong thing. Making mistakes over and over. They are in the gutter because the ego and idiocy is so great they can’t recognize that Bags is not a help to this team and never will be.
So, to me, what does it matter if he’s gone for nothing. He’s dead fucking weight. Maybe a 2nd but who cares.
Same way I feel about Walton. He will never be a good coach.
So, i get irritated the my/our team has to be shit because Vivek is a douche. Bags is the personification of that, to me.
This sounds like a lot of frustration directed at somebody who has nothing to do with the Kings terrible decision making imo
My frustrations are with Vivek etc and of not getting rid of Bagely. My frustration is that, in my opinion, they have overvalued Bagely. It’s not directed at Bagely. It about hanging on despite logic and reason.
No, not an extreme, but someone who actually understands the game
Absolutely the cancer stick in this ball club
This is good
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1295007281004896256?s=20
Those two cant even make eye contact here. So awkward
MBIII: Hey, wsup!
LD: Nice to meet you. What was your name again? Were you looking for an autograph?
Yes, Vlade, so if you had gotten more time to see it through, what would Doncic (and all the other players you passed on) be doing while you’re getting this extra time to see it through?
Would they just sit out and wait for your experiment to catch up? Or would they continue to grow and work on their games?
Big upside is subjective. Maybe big upside is a protected FRP that falls outside of the top 20.
Vlade is an idiot/ego delusional. This is what is so lame and frustrating about Kings announcers etc spewing this bullshit about Bagely being good and will be great. Don’t fucking sell me that bullshit. It’s a sign of how fucked up Kings organization is. . .
Maybe he meant it like “He has so many places, ergo opportunities, he can improve”, in which case when my wife gets mad at me I’ll remind her to just be patient because I have the biggest upside that is humanly possible.
Bagley would need to be on the court to be that close to Luka, which we know is not likely to happen.
I hope Papa Bags/Vlade starts down voting all these comments.
This needs to be on t-shirts, signs, and billboards.
billboards you say….its been just over a year since the last billboard campaign
“Vivek, I’ll mow your lawn if you butt out!”
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Well ask them again…did you say please?
“Hey Troy, Monte. How about Bagley for Bey?”
Also, I think it would be (somewhat) hilarious that Marvin gets out of Sacramento to go to Detroit. A team he will most likely try to leave before the year is up.
Bagley in Detroit would’ve been pretty perfect. He, Jahil Okafor, Josh Jackson, and Killian Hayes could’ve been quite the lineup.
Houston and OKC seem like the only two logical destinations IMO. Maybe Charlotte as well, but that’s about it.
Some form of trade better happen, be it Bagley, or Barnes(preferably).
If the front office decides to remain pat, under the illusion that they’re competitive, you can kiss this sorry ass franchise goodbye.
I would like to move Barns for a 1st rounder but Angie is being a D about it.
Cant get the 19th pick? Okay well who was the 20th? Keep going until someone says yes. Cmon Monte!
Great idea! Lol. I doubt the Heat would do Precious A. (20th) or that the 76ers would do Maxey (21). On to 22! Zeke Nanjing anyone?
Deal!
This is the definition of LOL
I could not care less what MBIII wants. He’s under rookie control, cannot play defense, has a massive contract, and minimal value. Put him on the bench, his D will be somewhat better against worse competition. Let him play out his contract, hit free agency, sign a $3-$5M/yr deal and THEN trade him.
Not gonna lie I liked that movie.
Probably because it’s great!
I’m very anti-Cruise so just sitting down to watch it was no small feat. ð³
I’m less anti-Cruise than I was when I was younger. It seemed to me that he was mainly getting by on his looks, but after seeing Born on the 4th of July, I had to concede that the guy was a legit actor.
And Edge of Tomorrow is an absolute blast, just a fun movie experience all the way around. Plus, you know, Emily Blunt. Good times…
$14M cap hold feels massive to me
Cap hold? He’s under contract next season at $11 million.
Also the cap hold is really irrelevant anyway.
RIP
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1374067069218549760?s=20
This gets downvoted? WHY?
Because this is the world we live in. There are those that think about it from the aspect of Baylor the person and his family. And then there are those that see Lakers and automatically thumbs down.
You know this…I know this, but i figured id say it regardless.
But, I mean, he played when the Kings weren’t even in Sacramento yet. Seriously?
I’ve kind of accepted that’s how the world works.
For instance, no matter how cute of a cat video you find on youtube, it might have 5 million likes, but it will still have a handful of dislikes. (Probably from dogs, but still.)
You would upvote Elgin Baylor’s death? WHY?
I’m not talking about upvoting. I am talking about the exact opposite.
The opposite of downvoting is upvoting.
I blame Bill’s grandkids for teaching him how to open the internet.
I blame your Mom for not having a dad around to teach you manhood.
I say we all meet in Temecula and just hug it out!
(Please have courtesy and wear masks, though)
And elbow bumps instead of hugs.
hahahahahahaha
They shoulda just created a word document for you to blog on, kinda like creedthoughts.
Downvote = dislike for me. Disliking someone’s death shouldn’t piss people off jeez
I took it to mean they dislike the fact that he passed away.
Likely a Kings leak, no? Right on the heels of the 500th Bagley wants a change of scenery story? Shut Team Bagley up with just how little value he has, and prepare the fan base for the inevitable Bagley for a second and expiring. Pistons have no reason to share this that I can think of.
Solid point here. How did this get out? Why?
the trade return is going to be trash and Monte doesnt want to look bad since it will be his first real move. If we know he is not worth Bey then we’ll be happy with the less. It’s basic psychology.
I’m feeling pretty confident marvin gets traded by thursday now. My guess is for a vet who is over paid and or on the down swing of his career thats making 20+ million packaged with Buddy or Joseph or Belly or Parker
Guys like Kevin Love, Andrew Wiggens, Andre Drummond, DeAngelo Russel, Otto Porter Jr., Al Horford, Lemarcus Aldridge, Oladipo, Galinari, Aaron Gordon.
Who’s been telling you Marvin is the man our GM will try to move while other fans lead your on wild goose chases with their delusional fantasyland proposals re: Buddy and Barnes?
And let this be instructional to fans who think because a team targets a player like Barnes does not mean we are obliged to find a way to make it work. It is crazy!
In fact if Ainge is considered to be one of the best GMs in the NBA, maybe the best, would that not be a reason to keep the player instead of find a deal to accomodate him?
Ainge can kiss off if he thinks he is getting Barnes from Nesmith and a pick, a deal most fans on this board would accept?!! And I will guarantee that pick would be heavily protected by Ainge until the Revelation!
As far as Bey, he fits the profile of the player I have been speaking of, the wing with size that can play face up and mix it up on the inside. This is the scare skillset SO many fans are willing to discard in Barnes for a couple of role players.
Why would a GM worth his salt chase players in plentiful supply like backup PG (Pritchard) and C (Williams) when the covetous and rare skill that provides tremendous versatility and completeness to our team is the wing who can play inside and outside?
This was the vision for Bagley that has not manifested because he is weak and lacks agility and anticipation. He lacks grit and heart and touch and creativity. Do you need any more reasons to trade him?!
The fans who contend they do NOT know what our GM is thinking with the excuse he does NOT do interviews are not taking responsibility because he is not inclined to tell you anwyay, and because to tell you is to tell the opposing GMs. Besides you do not need to hear directly from the source to ascertain what he is thinking when all you need do is apply deductive reasoning.
That is how I easily concluded Bagley is the prime guy to be moved and Barnes and Buddy are not.
I still think it will be tough to find a taker for Bagley but I increase the odds from 40/60 against to 50/50 Bagley will be traded by Thursday!
I’m about 60% sure this is Kayte’s secret TKH handle.
Another idiotic comment from a very little man. Just what are your qualifications.
I have one of these:
I think that’s at least twice that she’s taken you to the wood shed. If I were you I’d stop going after Kayte Hunter in search of a few thumbs up from some lost souls. I’d be willing to guess her basketball qualifications are far in excess of yours and Hessing’s combined. Of course neither of you probably didn’t even make your elementary schools teams.
Inconceivable!
jjdski wife and I peed our pants laughing.
Love this place.
Does anyone still read these posts?
I do mainly so that I can understand the snark and jokes from whoever posts below them : )
Speaking for myself, I didn’t mean to be snarky.
I legitimately laughed at the Revelation bit. 🙂
I laughed at that also. Also, I said I wanted Pritchard, Williams AND a 1st round pick…and that’s if the Kings don’t keep Barnes which is my preference.
But I’m in the “thread the needle” camp at this point I think.
I’m a needle threader as well. Or at least, I think the general consensus is wrong about their ability to thread the needle successfully. The only real question, to me, is are they willing to go over the cap next season?
An excellent question indeed. But if they’ve lost as much money as the numbers being discussed, that remains to be seen.
Has Vivek been willing to go over that cap ever?
I wasn’t accusing anyone…just in general following those posts : )
Oh yeah, just didn’t want him to feel like I was piling on… 🙂
Traveled to the Mid-East several years ago and summered at Saddiq Bey. It was humid, but nice.
So this wunderkind, Marty, thought Detroit would accept that deal? Seems we have another goofy GM. No one will take his offers serious.
Oh Peaches…How we missed you.
Go back to your donuts, chubby.
If only he was still on the air, it would be great watching try to spin this
But then he wouldnt have time to spin/comment here
I’m not sure what this means, but if you’re going to use wunderkind and Marty in the same sentence, could you please remove the comma?
Good attempt by McNair. Though without knowing what else the Kings offered along with Bagley, I can’t blame Detroit. Bey looks promising, and they’d be getting a part-time player in return.
He tried to fleece em
It makes sense, Detroit seems to have a pretty good prospect in Bey. Bagley may turn out to be a solid player, but at this moment in time, that’s an easy pass for the Pistons.
I was hoping that Joe Dumars had a little more pull in Detroit.
Awwww Boo Boo Bagley isn’t worth a rookie (who is the same age btw) with the ceiling of being a solid NBA player. That was a woke ass draft pick Vlade.
I’d be curious to know if DET made a counteroffer. They have some interesting players. To be honest, I’d be fine if the Pistons offered Delon Wright for Bagley straight up.
This is where I’m at. I want to know if McNair offered more. I would give multiple seconds or take on Plumlee’s contact to get off Bagley.
Offer more Monte. We have a lot of 2nd round picks we have expiring contracts.
Marvin Bagley, 3 future 2nd round picks and Hassan Whiteside for Bey, Plumlee and Okafor.
Pistons still say no?
we could even toss in the old standby Cash Considerations
I, too, would be curious to know this as well Rory.
I want to know who called who. Maybe Detroit call about Marvin and McNair said he’d give him up for Bey, and then Detroit said no.
I also want to know who leaked the story, and for what reason.
This is how I generally feel about rumors generally speaking.
What about generally?
I’m a fan, admittedly, generally.
These guys aren’t showing up high on any draft board but if they’re available in the second round or as UFA’s, I’m interested in taking a look.
Jaquari McLaughlin – Santa Barbara
Ethan Thompson – Oregon State
Johnny Juzang – UCLA
Drew Timme – Gonzaga
That Preston kid at Ohio looks like he’s got similar instincts to our own Mr. Haliburton. His play might bump him to the first round, but if he’s there in the second, he’d be an interesting project, even if combo guards are less of a priority here.
Yeah, Preston is great. Personally, I’d put him in the top 5 PGs in the class and place him pretty easily in the 1st round. But I’ve seen a whole lot of boards, profiles, and mocks that don’t even give him a mention.
Yeah I like Preston also. Good call.
Timme is one of those guys that doesn’t have the NBA looking body or the combine numbers but a lot of mistakes are made going after length and explosiveness as opposed to basketball mentality and skill. I think Timme is going to find his way to a NBA roster and have a decent career. I’d like to hear Few’s view on how he compares to Olynek. Timme is going to have to develop a more effective perimeter game but I think he can do it. Really difficult to project these things.
While I believe in Bagley and believe he’s been making progress in some real ways, there’s no way I would ever do this were I Detroit or Troy Weaver. It makes no sense for them if for no other reason than Bagley isn’t better than Jerami Grant at this point, and you arent playing Bagley ahead of Grant at this point. Pretty simple deal, really.
Unless you just slide Grant over the 3 spot and have Bagley at the 4
That makes no sense whatsoever to me Adam. Grant is doing what he’s doing for you at the 4. Keep him there. LOL
I’m just spitballing in wondering if Detroit had any interest in Bagley, that might be what they had in mind.
that’s why I think OKC and Houston are the best trade partners for Bagley. OKC can feature Bagley alongside the various young bigs they have to see if he can fit. Houston could see if a Wood/Bagley frontcourt partnership works.
A Wood/Bagley frontcourt on defense would be next level atrocious.
OKC will make us send them a 1st just to take Bagley off of our hands.
Having Bagley around doesn’t utilize floor spacing, that’s why he doesn’t fit with this team. Lots of great 3 point shooters and Bagley makes use of that space either waiting around at the 3 point line or posting up. He has no post moves, so he can’t post up – only sit at the 3 point line. Spacing the floor is meant to open up cutting lanes to slash to the basket. Bagley doesn’t have any handles, so he can’t cut to the basket when he has the ball. The only way Bagley can score is by jump shot, lobs or put-backs. Being completely abysmal on defense also doesn’t help him.
To Bagley’s defense, his 3 point percentage has made a dramatic improvement this year, which means he at least worked on his 3. He also might have been hampered in his ability to improve on all the other areas over the summer, like ball handling or working on the post due to leg injuries and COVID.
If teams are still rejecting offers for Bagley, just hang onto him. This fourth season will be make or break for him. If he still sucks, just offer him a smaller contract as a back-up big. Ball handling/slashing to the basket should be the #1 priority for Bagley this off-season and the Kings should stop trying to box him into being a 3 point specialist.
OK, but would Detroit have traded Bey for Luka Doncic?! Boom!
Vlade would have traded Luka for Bey.
Hardcore
It’ll probably happen eventually.
I love the midday folks on 1320, but man it’s tough to listen to them talk about Bagley sometimes. KC, in particular, has some purple colored glasses on.
Bagging on Bags is pretty pointless at this point but I’m glad Monte is smart enough to see MB has no future in Sac. He could end up being a solid scoring and rebounding bench/role player but I don’t think either party wants to wait around for that.
No surprise Det said no. Wonder if another second or two would’ve made a difference? I’m more interested in knowing how this story got out.