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The Kings are reportedly interested in John Collins

With the trade deadline just days away, we've got a fresh batch of rumors.

The NBA trade deadline is Thursday, March 25th. With that deadline rapidly approaching, The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor has a new column with a smorgasbord of rumors to satiate our appetites. The headline rumor, at least for Sacramento Kings fans, is that the Kings may be interested in Atlanta Hawk big man John Collins.

From KOC:

League sources say Atlanta is receiving significant trade interest for John Collins from the Celtics, Kings, Mavericks, Pistons, and Timberwolves. The Hawks want one young player and a first-round draft pick to make a deal, or a package of similar value such as multiple first-round picks.

Aside from the mention that Sacramento might be interested, there's not much else on the Kings front. We don't know what players the Hawks would be asking for, or which players the Kings would be willing to part with, although the accepted belief of that anyone other than Fox and Haliburton are available for the right price.

From the Kings perspective, it's not surprising that the Kings would kick the tires on a talented 23-year-old. Collins would fit the timeline of building around Fox and Haliburton. The concern with trading for Collins is just that he'll be a restricted free agent this summer and is trying to get a max deal. He reportedly turned down a $90 million extension with the Hawks.

It's hard to imagine the Kings giving up the package the Hawks are reportedly asking for, but it's unclear if any team will meet Atlanta's asking price. Will Atlanta budge on their return, or would they risk a matching decision on a large RFA offer sheet?

Speaking RFA offer sheets, KOC's article also mentions the Hawks could be looking to trade Bogdan Bogdanovic. Kings GM Monte McNair declined to match Atlanta's offer sheet this summer. It's not going to look good if, even after Bogi missed significant time with an injury, the Hawks were still able to flip Bogi for assets after a few short months.

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Kingsguru21
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March 21, 2021 3:52 pm

It’s not going to look good if, even after Bogi missed significant time with an injury, the Hawks were still able to flip Bogi for assets after a few short months.

Who gives up positive assets for Bogi at this point? It’s not like he was lighting the league on fire before he went down. I think we should wait until this happens to actually slam the Kings FO (McNair) on it.

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March 21, 2021 3:57 pm
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Bogi is a solid role player, sixth man type.
If the Hawks trade him I don’t think they’ll get a ton in return.

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March 21, 2021 3:59 pm
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Yeah. Which isn’t worth retaining him either IMO.

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March 21, 2021 10:44 pm
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Agreed. Bogi is a very easy player to like and to root for, but at the end of the day he is still limited defensively and just an average three point shooter.

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March 22, 2021 8:58 am
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Even for all of that money, he seems to be more of an eighth man-type at best.

And what chance of re-signing Holmes do you have with the $72 million dollar gimp on your cap sheet?

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March 21, 2021 5:36 pm
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This is where you lose me. And it’s certainly not about disagreeing on the non match. Of course he’ll get criticized for Bogi. Shouldn’t we know what we are discussing before getting into these hypotheticals, though?

It’s more a pet peeve than anything I guess. Call it criticism from a peanut in the gallery. Or whatever. 😊

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March 21, 2021 11:10 pm
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You want a basketball blog to limit itself to just facts?
Hypoteticals are part of the fun, in theory at least.

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March 22, 2021 7:47 am
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Sure. That’s exactly what I meant!

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March 21, 2021 7:03 pm
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They are 8 and 0 since he came back front injury !

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March 21, 2021 3:55 pm

Pass.
Going to cost too much to trade for him and cost to much to resign him in the off season. IMO he’s a solid to good player, I don’t get all the hype around Collins.

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March 21, 2021 3:59 pm

Mia is pushing for a Lowry trade. Would love to see that, would make the East playoffs a lot more interesting.

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March 21, 2021 11:31 pm
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The clippers need him. They need to make a move bad

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March 21, 2021 3:59 pm

We should be going for broke to acquire a superstar.

collins is nice but he ain’t that.

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March 21, 2021 5:23 pm
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yes

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March 21, 2021 6:12 pm
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Assuming the acquisition cost is one future FRP, I’m fine with Collins. He’s great on offense, and improving on defense. A team built around Fox/Haliburon/Collins would be fun.

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March 21, 2021 6:20 pm
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Plus Holmes and this years pick, definitely something to build on going forward with a competent coach.

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March 21, 2021 7:19 pm
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I continue to be mildly intrigued by the possibility of adding an impact player and a top 10 pick to this current group. Fox/Haliburton/Buddy/Barnes/Collins/Holmes + a top 10 pick and an impact player on the MLE would be a solid, albeit expensive, 8 player rotation. I think I’d be okay with giving up a mildly protected 2022 FRP to make it work.

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March 21, 2021 7:21 pm
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(I would also do Bagley plus the pick if ATL was interested)

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March 21, 2021 10:47 pm
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Agreed Rordog. That would be very fun to watch, and I still think they could retain flexibility moving one or two of them as the teams needs become apparent.

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March 22, 2021 4:20 am
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How about Bagley & Buddy if ATL are looking to move on from Bogi? No FRP.

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March 21, 2021 8:49 pm
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I agree that’s a good group to work with and you hope one of the many recent or future second rounders can become a legit 9/10th rotational piece

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March 22, 2021 4:19 am
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Collins may cost the Kings Holmes (salary spent resigning Collins) and this years FRP (ATL’s asking price). Might be interestig to flip Holmes for Collins and then we can bid on Holmes or Collins in the summer … I would not give ATL an FRP for that privilege (I would give them Buddy).

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March 22, 2021 12:02 am
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Not doing this unless there is a sign and trade involved for collins.

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March 21, 2021 5:10 pm

This is perfect. We’ve got a €œyoung player€ we could trade for Collins … I’d be happy to drive Pervis to the airport!

Not only would we get Collins, the Hawks would finally have the ingredients for a Luka Sandwich!

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March 21, 2021 5:21 pm

Collins puts up numbers but does he make an impact. ? Why are the Hawks so willing to get rid of him and so openly?
IMO- do not give up a first round pick for him. Kings have never done well giving up picks ( and never done all that well with picks) The trade swaps and loss of the one first rounder to Philly really hurt the trajectory.
I would trade Buddy, Bagley or Barnes for him + a second rounder.
The biggest Kings assets are Fox, Hali and first round picks.
LAL will drop- Kings traded last years #54 for next years LAL second rounder + a million. The LAL second rounder may be better than 54.
I go from tank to not tank faster than Linda Blair’s noggin in the Exorcist. Now I am on tank mode. Draft has top 5 + 3- S. Barnes, Moody and Bouknight. Tank and get one of those and pray that the Wolves keep a top 3. I wish the duds ill will.
Bogi’s deficiencies were on full display in Atlanta.

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March 21, 2021 6:17 pm
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I really like that senior SF on Gonzaga so I’d say 5+4, but your point still stands

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March 21, 2021 8:51 pm
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The Hawks can’t take on the salaries of Buddy or Barnes without making an additional move. They need money to resign Young. I doubt they’d want to take on Bagley either.

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March 21, 2021 5:37 pm

Our first round pick better be lottery protected if they are serious about this. Unless we send Barnes to Boston and receive a first rounder from them and instead use that pick. But that pick is looking better by the day with how Boston is stinking it up lately. I wouldn’t give that up unprotected either lol.

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March 21, 2021 6:18 pm
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If they get Barnes plus something else with the rest of the TPE I’d feel fine with that unprotected, those gets will help them ensure at least a playoff spot

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March 22, 2021 4:23 am
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I do not trade Barnes for less than a lottery pick and minimal long-term salary back.

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March 21, 2021 6:03 pm

Lamelo out for the year.
Hali for ROY.

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March 21, 2021 6:15 pm
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Not exactly how I wanted him to win it. Bummer for Ball.

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March 21, 2021 6:21 pm
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He better start playing good again or he will take himself out with or without Ball

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March 21, 2021 6:59 pm
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Yeah unfortunately he has not been very good since the all star break. It seems like he is hitting the rookie wall a bit. I swear almost every three he’s taken has been short in the last two weeks.

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March 21, 2021 7:03 pm

I think teams have adjusted. He’s now a notable segment to opponents scouting reports.

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March 21, 2021 7:07 pm
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Yeah that’s definitely a factor as well. He could also still be a little gimpy from his calf injury before the break. He’s a really smart dude so I think he’ll bounce back at some point but right now he looks a little off.

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March 21, 2021 7:12 pm

This is true. All in all, I’m not worried about him. He’s gonna be a very solid NBA player going forward.

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March 21, 2021 7:15 pm
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No doubt. I do think it would be fun in this lost season to see him win rookie of the year though. I know he and Fox are really the only reason I tune in to most every game.

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March 21, 2021 6:14 pm

Bagley and next year’s first for JC and Bogi. It worked on the trade machine so it must be good.

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March 21, 2021 6:32 pm
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Bogi’s contract looks abysmal at the moment. Maybe he returns to form coming back and we could cut bait with Cojo to free minutes up for Bogi.

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March 21, 2021 9:48 pm
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Fine with me, let’s do it.

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March 21, 2021 6:22 pm

1 – Pass.
2 – The Kings need to get better defensively, not offensively.

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March 21, 2021 6:32 pm

Ok, I need convincing. Is Collins at $25M really any better than Bagley at $11M next year? I get that Collins is the better player, but is he really that much better when it comes to next year’s contract and beyond?

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March 21, 2021 7:51 pm
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I’ve been thinking the same thing. Would rather have Bagley at the cheaper price. I’d also rather Aaron Gordon to Collins.

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March 21, 2021 8:16 pm
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Agreed. I don’t really get it. Considering how few games Bagley has played I don’t think Collins is that much more impressive. Last 30 games (since Bagley’s disastrous start to season) Bagley has actually defended the rim better than Collins, though neither is great and it’s only one metric.

25 mill a year would take us out of Holmes resigning and anything else I believe unless we go MLE which is possible. Feels like basically shuffling deck chairs but paying a premium for your new deck chair. At least Collins is not injured a bunch…yay???

I doubt this is Montes big swing…which it would be. If so, we are prolly screwed management wise again.

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March 21, 2021 8:24 pm
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I don’t think you have to worry about it. These stories usually break after deals fail, and $25M to Collins doesn’t give Monte his flexibility. That said, I’d rather have my players on the court at $25, than on the IR at $11. Look what Fox has done with his body in three years, and look what Bagley has done with his. Bagley has had all the time in the world to be in the weight room, and he isn’t interested. He will likely always be injured, while Fox is getting less and less injured as he goes. So given the choice, I’d take Collins and his RFA after this year. If he impresses, match whatever offer he gets. And hope it’s less than $25.

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March 21, 2021 8:49 pm
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exactly, I’d rather see if Bagley can develop for 11. If he doesn’t throw 10-20 million at a different big guy a year later.

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March 22, 2021 7:19 am
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This is where I am at. It’s not like Collins or nothing. Markkanen is also on the market this summer.

If you really want Collins why not just wait until summer and throw money at him instead of giving up assets for basically his Bird Rights.

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March 22, 2021 10:04 am
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Those rights do two things, most importantly guarantee you get him if you want him, and secondly allow you to go over the cap to sign him and holmes if we want to see what the current team could do together with another couple major pieces

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March 21, 2021 9:49 pm
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Yes, he’s significantly better than Bagley because he plays basketball, in uniform, on the court during games.

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March 21, 2021 10:25 pm

Except when missing for drug suspensions 😉

All seriousness that would be a mild concern I might have…second suspension is automatic 55 gamer.

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March 22, 2021 9:30 am
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I suspect Collins is substantially better than Bagley, but I’m not sure Fox/Haliburton/Collins eventually being your best three players gets you where you need to go.

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March 22, 2021 4:16 am

I think it will be difficult for Atlanta to get much in return for Bogi. Besides the games he missed this year adding to the knock that Bogi is “injury prone”, didn’t Atlanta include a trade kicker in Bogi’s contract to discourage the Kings from matching? That may bite the Hawks now. In terms of how this reflects on the Kings FO, they may emerge looking pretty smart (or less dumb if you like) for not matching Atlanta’s offer. Moreover, one of Bogi’s skills coming in to the NBA was his 3-point shooting: as with Buddy, the realtive value of that skill has declined (more guys can shoot 3s at that rate in the NBA meanwhile).

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March 22, 2021 7:39 am

Well, shit. Celtics are going to go for Gordon over Barnes, aren’t they.

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March 22, 2021 7:52 am
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That might not be a bad thing since I’m not really sure where Gordon fits in Boston unless it’s an ultra small lineup with Gordon as the C.

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March 22, 2021 7:57 am
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I think they’d just run him as a wing or stretch 4, like they would with Barnes or Tatum. They are all the same size.

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March 22, 2021 8:00 am
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Is Tatum or Brown defending the 2’s then?

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March 22, 2021 8:03 am
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Brown, just like they did with Hayward last year with their 3 wing setup.

Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Barnes/Gordon, Theis.

I’ll also add that Gordon is younger, cheaper, and has one less year on his deal than Barnes.

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March 22, 2021 8:08 am
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Hmmm. That’s interesting. Difference between Barnes and Gordon is that Barnes is more versatile. He could defend some SGs in a pinch. Gordon really can’t.

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March 22, 2021 10:06 am
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And the shot, barnes’ is better and more consistent

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