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Trade Deadline Preview with Jerry Reynolds | TKHS Episode 11

Jerry Reynolds, Will Griffith, and Tony Xypteras break down the 2nd half of the Kings season, and preview the upcoming NBA trade deadline.

The Kings Herald Show is back with another episode, and the Sacramento Kings gave us plenty to talk about this week.

Jerry Reynolds, Will Griffith, and Tony Xypteras break down how the Kings have performed under Luke Walton's new starting lineup of De'Aaron Fox, Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes, and Richaun Holmes, in addition to previewing what the Sacramento Kings should and shouldn't do as the March 25 NBA trade deadline approaches.

TIMESTAMPS:
  • (2:05) How have the Kings played since the All-Star break?
  • (3:30) Breaking down Luke Walton’s new starting lineup.
  • (5:05) Are the Kings improving on defense?
  • (10:12) Will the Kings make a significant trade by the deadline?
  • (13:00) Will the Celtics trade for Harrison Barnes?
  • (24:00) What teams could make a competitive offer for Buddy Hield or Harrison Barnes?
  • (29:00) Do the Kings need to make a trade in order to re-sign Richaun Holmes in the offseason?
  • (33:33) Is Vivek Ranadive still involved in basketball decisions?
  • (39:30) Tank Till You Stank.
  • (44:40) Jerry Reynolds, on his experiences running and working in an NBA front office.
  • (109:30) Trade Deadline Predictions.

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ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 11:35 am

Trade Buddy Heild

Trade Marvin Bagley

Keep Holmes

Keep Harrison Barnes

Select Scotty Barnes in the draft at #6

Try to sign one of John Collins, Lauri Markkanen, Lonzo Ball, PJ Tucker, Blake Griffen,

2021/2022 Dudes we know for sure roster:

PG: Fox, Guy, Ramsey
SG: Burt, James
SF: Daquan Jeffries
PF: Harrison Barnes, Woodard,
C: Holmes, Metu

Insert a top 8 draft pick, one of those mid level free agents above with some veteran bench depth and I think we have a playoff contending team. And that doesn’t include any of the return assets from the Buddy and Bagley trades.

itsjabby
March 21, 2021 12:19 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

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SelecaoKOJ
March 21, 2021 2:39 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Still not even close to a playoff team. Looks like 30-35 wins to me.
Jeffries? Starting at SF. I don’t mean to be disrespectful, But LOL!

Who are they better than in the West next year?

The Dubs are still better with: Klay, Curry, Dray and Wiseman
The Wolves will be better with: Dlo, Edwards, KAT and a Top 5 pick
Memphis will be healthy and still better than the Kings

Dallas, Clips, Lakers, Spurs, Denver, Suns, and Jazz will all be in the playoffs again.

That’s not taking into account most good free agents and good trades will take place with the aforementioned teams.

The Kings are at best a 10 seed with that lineup. Definitely not a playoff contender.

murraytant
March 21, 2021 5:27 pm
Reply to  SelecaoKOJ

Wolves lose pick to duds unless top 3- so top 5 is not possible if 4 or 5 , duds get it.

MidtownMike
March 21, 2021 2:55 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

You started losing me at PJ Tucker, and fell off a cliff at Blake Griffin haha

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 12:40 pm

Marvin and Corey Joseph

for

Obi Toppin, Ntillikina, Burks

Toppin is struggling big time in NYC. He only gets 4.5 mil a year for 3 more years and we would have bird rights. Ntillikina and Burks are expiring contracts. Bagley is not a fit here. To me this is a gamble trade for both teams. Change of scenery for both players in a system that is more suited for them could rescue both their careers? Bagley and Toppin are very similar players.

From the Kings perspective it gives them a cheaper Marvin for more years. who, could also be better than Marvin 1 year from now.

From the Knicks perspective they are taking a gamble on a #2 overall pick that would fit next to Randle (maybe better) in exchange for a player that has been extremely disappointing thus far. They also need PG depth right now if they hope to make a playoff run. Joseph would fill that hole for them this year and next for super cheap.

Would you guys rather have Marvin or Obi?

It’s kindof a nothing move because they are such similar players but I like what it does for our cap sheet over the next 4 years and a change of scenery is needed for both these young big men in my opinion.

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SelecaoKOJ
March 21, 2021 2:41 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

If that’s the deal, I stick with Marvin.

LaBradfordsCreditCard
March 21, 2021 9:52 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Fine, approved. I approve any trade that sends Pervis packing.

Literally – any trade.

Peja
March 21, 2021 12:51 pm

I’m a high school counselor and am ready for your phone call Jerry! I get a lot of college coaches that call but never an NBA GM. I need to work at a different school.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
March 21, 2021 12:58 pm

This is why I fear the Kings won’t be able to keep Holmes. He’s about to be paid and the Kings won’t be able to afford him. If Allen is getting $100M, what is Holmes gonna cost? I think McNair really has to look at cashing out on Holmes via trade and hope to re-sign him in free agency.

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ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:15 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Damn. Thats way too steep if thats the cost to keep Holmes. And I love Holmes

This is what Monte got hired for. What is Holmes market value? Act accordingly. If its 5 years 100 million then trade him NOW and get a return. if it’s 5 for 75 then keep him.

We should be able to trust our GM knows what it will cost to keep Holmes. He should already have an answer. If he doesn’t than we are F#%@ed.

It’s really that simple (in my eyes)

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
March 21, 2021 1:22 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

There is no reason to give Holmes anywhere near 5 at $75M. That is a ridiculous overpay, IMO.

Trade him now for assets and offer him 2 years at $25M this summer.

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:28 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Wow, really? I mean I wouldnt offer Holmes a 5 year contract period, I was just making the relationship to the supposed Allen contract of 100 for 5 years. I made the assumption that it would be 5 years at 20 per.

to me, 15 million per year for Holmes would be fair esspecially to keep him in Sacramento who always has to overpay to keep guys.

3 years 45 million would be a good offer in my opinion. If the market is lower great! I wouldnt really want to pay more than 45 if I was actually the GM

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
March 21, 2021 2:29 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

3 years at $45M would be my absolute ceiling, and I’d like that 3rd year to either be a team option or partially guaranteed.

reydarly
March 21, 2021 4:04 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

I agree with this. I’m not dishing more than $15 million per year on any 5 that isn’t in the mold of KAT, Embiid, Jokic, etc. The 5 position is the NBA equivalent of NFL running backs to me in today’s game. They were the trend back in the day and still are in a few systems (physical, dominating play) but everyone wants the flashier, more entertaining thing (passing game, 3 point shooting). If I can make an argument that Fox/Haliburton’s play is a big reason why your offensive stats are off the charts, you aren’t getting more than that from me. That isn’t a big slight because $15m is a lot so he does enough right in other facets for me to be comfortable paying him that. The three I mentioned previously add another layer via playmaking and/or generating their own offense, and scoring on all three levels. There are special cases like Gobert but his rim protection is so good everyone would throw a max contract to snag him even if it might be a bit of an overpay.

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 8:25 pm
Reply to  reydarly

excellent take.

SelecaoKOJ
March 21, 2021 2:43 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

But, if Hield and Barnes stay, Holmes has to go. Being over the cap for a team that won’t win more than 35 games next year? That will tell me Monte is no smarter than Vlade.

LaBradfordsCreditCard
March 21, 2021 9:56 pm
Reply to  SelecaoKOJ

I have breaking news for you … Vlonty McDivac is, indeed, no smarter than Vlade Divac.

See “Milwaukee trade,” “Bagley option” and “Kaminsky and GRIII signings” for more on this.

And no, he doesn’t get any credit for Haliburton. A box of petrified cat shit would have been smart enough to draft him. He fell in our laps.

It’s not like Vlonty engineered some great trade to move up and get him.

MidtownMike
March 22, 2021 12:56 am
Reply to  SelecaoKOJ

Wouldn’t they have until the deadline to get under the cap?

WizsSox
March 21, 2021 2:08 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I hunted around the other day trying to peg a Holmes contract based on non star centers. Basically average to above average centers and their signings the last couple years. This proposed Jarrett Allen contract would be a massive overpay compared too:

Ibaka, T Thompson – Midlevel
S Adams – 2/35 (mocked by most)
Valencias – 3/45
C Wood (Center?) – 3/41
Nurkic – 4/48
Favors – 3/30
Poeltl – 3/27
Zubac – 4/28
Plumlee – 3/25
Kleber – 4/36
Baynes – 2/14
Kanter – 2/10

Capela a few years ago at 5/90.

Is Holmes better than some of these guys, yeah. Is he about the same or not as good as a few…I would say yes. Theis, Drummond, Allen and Holmes all on market this summer so not like Holmes is only center available.

I highly doubt Allen gets a contract like the one mentioned in article…did somebody give that information to the “insider”…Allen’s agent? Who knows.

As many have said, Holmes in the 12-13 million range is probably fare based upon market rates for centers. If not, you have to move on.

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RORDOG
March 21, 2021 6:01 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I find it hard to believe Jarrett Allen will get $20 million per year. Bertrans got that, so anything’s possible, but that kind of money is an overpay for an athletic, but mostly traditional center. I continue to believe the Kings can keep Holmes, if they want him, using one of the various exceptions at their disposal.

BestHyperboleEver
March 21, 2021 6:29 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I find it hard to believe Jarrett Allen will get $20 million per year. Bertrans got that, so anything’s possible,

Heck, even Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes got $20MM per!

RORDOG
March 21, 2021 7:47 pm

there’s a sucker born every minute. Odds are a few of them would become GMs.

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:08 pm

Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, 2021 Kings second round pick and an additional 2nd round pick

for

Kevin Love and Isaac Okoru

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
March 21, 2021 1:12 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Why would the Kings want to do that?

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:16 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Why wouldn’t they?!?!

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
March 21, 2021 1:19 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Love has $60M left on his contract, which is virtually the same that Buddy has left.

Are you wanting to trade Bagley and picks for Okoru?

rockbottom
March 21, 2021 1:22 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Agree, plus Love never plays anymore ! Always injured and sliding skills !

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:34 pm
Reply to  rockbottom

You gotta give to get.

2 years of Love at 35mil or 4 years of Buddy at 25Mil you decide.

I would go with Love at 35 any day of the week. Why? Because I think the fit is WAY better and I think it makes the team WAY better instantly. and it gives them more flexibility when it will actually matter (haliburtons new contract).

that’s not even bring in the real part of this trade which is getting Okoru long term in here with Fox and Burt

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:24 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

The combo of Buddy and Bagley is what gets you Okoru and love not one or the other.

I don’t think the Cav’s do Bagley and 2nd round picks for Okoru. I think they do it if they are getting buddy for Love though as part of the deal.

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:21 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Buddy is a shit defender and Haliburton should be the starting SG moving forward. The Kings need wing depth and good defensive players. Okoru is that, he also has more upside than Marvin Bagley esspecially when you look at the fit. He is also cheaper and under team control for longer. He also plays multiple positions and can defend multiple positions. Marvin can play 2 and can’t guard any. Then we come to Kevin Love who is a perfect fit next to Holmes. He is a good team defender which the Kings need he spaces the floor for Fox and he would give the kings a real chance at making the playoffs.

That is why the Kings do this

TheGrantNapear
March 21, 2021 1:39 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Lol

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:40 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Lol

murraytant
March 21, 2021 5:33 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

This is nuts. Love is old and oft injured. Buddy can shoot. Okuru is totally unproven.
Love 10 years ago was a fit, not perfect but a fit.
This seems to be an angry reaction against Buddy and Bagley.
I understand the anger but don’t let it cloud my judgment
and no one will do this deal. It is anger-fantasy.

LaBradfordsCreditCard
March 21, 2021 9:59 pm
Reply to  murraytant

Oft-injured and totally unproven … you’re talking about Bagley, right?

LaBradfordsCreditCard
March 21, 2021 9:57 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Yep. Let’s do it.

Like I said … any trade that sends Pervis packing is fine with me.

sonny
March 21, 2021 1:20 pm

Dear Sister Jeanne,

Please pray for a Kings winning season or a playoff berth in the next two or three years.
Please pray that Vivek does not meddle any more and let Monte make the right decisions.
Please pray that Luke be replaced by a good coach next season.
Please pray that teams trade for Hield, Bagley, Joseph, Parker, James and Whiteside.
Please pray that TKH remains our refuge in these trying times.

Thank you.

Frustrated Kings fans

TheGrantNapear
March 21, 2021 1:43 pm

Buddy
Barnes
Hassan
Nemanja
Cojo
Holmes (think he gets too expensive this off season)

Hope they are all traded within the next few days.
My guess is only one of these players is traded..because Kangz.

ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 1:46 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Just letting you know that you spelled Bagley wrong. Theres no R, N or S in his name.

Besides that your comment was perfect.

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ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 2:05 pm

Marvin Bagley and Cory joseph

for Devin Vassel, Patty Mills (expiring contract) and the spurs 2021 first round pick lottery protected.

WizsSox
March 21, 2021 2:48 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

They wouldn’t do that even straight up for Bagley and Vassel. It’s not like Vassel has played poorly this year when given chances.

Why are the Spurs taking on another 2.5 in dead money Joseph, 7 more mill next year for Bagley (plus the crap decision the Kings face currently in an extension or not for him) and sending out their mid first round pick this year?

I feel like the Kings would have to be the ones sending out a 2022 or later 1st in this deal and if I were the Kings I would do it. Get Vassell who is likely to be a competent 3 – D man starter in the league and free up space for a Holmes signing.

Still doubt the Spurs would do it.

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ArcoThunder
March 21, 2021 3:05 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Well, Maybe you’re right that it’s to steep of an asking price. I feel like the spurs would be willing to take a chance on Bagley developing under Pop in to the all star people thought he could be.

Its a move that comes with some risk for the Spurs but I think it could be one they would be willing to take for the upside. They have the future cap space to easily accommodate an investment in Marvin where the Kings aren’t really in a good position for that

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MidtownMike
March 21, 2021 3:06 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

They definitely don’t do that one BUT I could see them being into Barnes and Belly which both scream “Spurs” type players.

Aldridge, Vassell, Luka for Barnes and Belly.

Helps them a ton this year w/out hurting the future too much

LaBradfordsCreditCard
March 21, 2021 9:59 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Deal! Literally … any trade.

Kingsguru21
March 21, 2021 5:32 pm

Agree on a Barnes return. For me I’d lean Pritchard, Williams III and a 2023 pick though honestly.

Great podcast as usual. Thanks.

kings4ever
March 21, 2021 6:42 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Three projected back-ups for a (high) quality starter in his prime at a position of need and position of scarcity? How do you propose that will end up well, Guru?

Pritchard and Williams are good role players maybe spot starters but our SF/PF position is awful if Barnes is traded and we don’t get a player of his position back with equal promise.

And versatile forward is the toughest position to fill in the NBA. Backup center and PG, the two guys you are getting in this trade, are the easiest to fill.

Tony’s trade suggestion is even worse, two projected backups for wing who plays 3/4. Who else do we have who can play 3/4? These types of players do not grow on trees.

The Podcast was an enjoyable listenl but I think the guys are remiss NOT to address who I perceive as the most viable candidate to be moved, less so after his injury, and that is Marvin.

An astute GM if we have one, and I think we do, should be trying to find a new home for Bagley not Barnes and not catering to a swindler like Ainge.

Now your proposal could be expanded to include Nesmith and Bagley, and maybe another #1 pick coming to us, then you would pique my interest.

But at the end of the day (on Thursday), I do not think we trade Barnes because I think it is fairly safe to presume Ainge will be stingy with his assets. The trade you propose I bet Ainge would NOT do, and from the Kings perspective it is NOT enough anyway.

Kingsguru21
March 21, 2021 7:19 pm
Reply to  kings4ever

Actually, my preference is to keep Barnes vs that trade. But if I’m doing a deal with Boston, that is my preference.

MidtownMike
March 22, 2021 12:58 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I’d pass on Pritchard for a Nesmith, but I think RW3 is moving into “they don’t want to trade him territory”

Kingsguru21
March 22, 2021 7:53 am
Reply to  MidtownMike

Then a deal ain’t getting made regardless.

Otis
March 22, 2021 9:24 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Yeah, I’m sensing Boston’s not actually a great trade partner unless Ainge decides to completely roll the dice and overpay for Barnes.

Otis
March 22, 2021 9:25 am
Reply to  kings4ever

The trade you propose I bet Ainge would NOT do, and from the Kings perspective it is NOT enough anyway.

The Kings are going to have to get used to that – Barnes is a nice player, but not a great asset.

Kosta
March 21, 2021 8:50 pm

That was a very enjoyable episode–thanks!

I was thinking, hmmm…. what if they shook things up and brought on a Steven A. type of personality to stir things up and get more back-and-forths in there…

But you guys are a perfect group. You have good chemistry and seem to all respect each other and enjoy each other’s opinions and stories.

This is something really positive for Kings fans to tune in to. No matter how bad the team is right now, Kings fans can get some enjoyment from listening to you guys talk about our team.

rockbottom
March 22, 2021 8:11 am
Reply to  Kosta

Really seems a perfect mix ! The three have different views but well thought out and Jerry seems to enjoy Will and Tony !

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