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Kings Pulse: OKC as a trade parter w/ Jacob Kniffen

I would not be surprised if OKC and Sacramento were trade partners this offseason, we are joined by an OKC cover to discuss potential deals.

I don't think a Marvin Bagley trade this offseason would come as a surprise to anyone in Sacramento. His dad has made comments on social media, Bagley has never denied wanting out in the media, and most recently the former 2nd overall pick liked a tweet paired suggesting he needed out of Sacramento. All of that, combined with the Kings likely needing to clear cap space in order to re-sign Richaun Holmes, is a formula for ending up on the trade block.

Of all the teams with notable cap space, which includes New York, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Dallas, the Thunder feel like a match for eating Bagley's salary while taking a swing on his still very real upside at 22-years-old.

Jacob Kniffen (@JacobKniffen), host of the Uncontested Oklahoma City podcast of the Blue Wire podcast network, joined the show today to provide the Thunder's point of view.

He mentioned how Sam Presti will need to accumulate some of these assets down the line and in the immediate future. The Thunder are the owners of picks 6, 16, 18, 34, 36, and 55 in the 2021 NBA Draft with no real shot of adding six new players to the roster next season.

Some of those picks could be included in a deal for Marvin Bagley, as could a young player such as Kenrich Williams, Isaiah Roby, or Darius Bazley. Kings' fans should not get their hopes up when it comes to Lugentz Dort or Aleksej Pokusevski (sorry, Will).

Jacob also mentioned how he thinks Oklahoma City would be willing to trades pick 16 and 18 to the Sacramento Kings to move up to pick 9. I give my thoughts on this potential deal when it comes to the likely available prospects.

In this episode we also discuss:

  • What prospects the Thunder will likely consider at pick 6
  • How good will OKC be next season? Competing for the play-in?
  • Could the Kings dump Buddy Hield into OKC's space?
  • How much the Kings would be able to offer Holmes if they dumped Bagley

Let us know what sort of trades you would look to make with the Oklahoma City Thunder this offseason!

The Kings Pulse Podcast is available on all major listening platforms.

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KingsOverAces
July 2, 2021 10:32 am

€œand most recently the former 2nd round picks liked a tweet paired suggesting he needed out of Sacramento.€

Hopefully we can at least get a late first round pick for the former 2nd rounder

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July 3, 2021 12:24 am
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Forgive me, who are the people that the quote refers to, and who said it?

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July 3, 2021 8:51 am
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Bags was the 2nd pick in the 1st round. He plays like a 2nd rounder, but he was definitely the 2nd overall pick in 2018.

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July 2, 2021 10:37 am

I do think OKC would be a great trade partner. I would hope they could get more for Bagley than what he offered. the big offer he made … intrigues me greatly.

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July 2, 2021 10:49 am

Bagley has talent and is under team control. He isn’t James Harden. He shouldn’t be allowed to force his way out. BENCH. Energy big. New contract at <$6M per year.

Luke Walton won’t play second rounders. Don’t bother.

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July 2, 2021 10:53 am

His contract this year is guaranteed at $11.3m.

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July 2, 2021 11:14 am
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I think he is suggesting that you make him a bench big next season (at the 11.3m guarantee) and then resign him for the <$6m next season.
Of course, if they don’t trade Bagley, I’m sure he will go elsewhere for a new contract regardless of what the Kings offer.

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July 2, 2021 5:40 pm

He’ll be a RFA. The Kings can match any offer to him (though I doubt they’ll want to keep him).

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July 2, 2021 11:06 am

If you play Bagley as a bench big this year (which is fine) and the best contract he can get from 30 NBA teams is less than 6M a year…you don’t match using his RFA rights.

Because that means he mostly sucked this upcoming season or got injured for over half of it.

As a 23 year old former top half lottery pick, if he has a productive (semi breakthrough) season, even as a bench big, the contract is going to be more than 6M. If he doesn’t reach that level of production, can’t imagine McNair has any designs to sign him to a new contract at any level.

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July 2, 2021 12:09 pm
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I would rather keep him if the offer is second round picks. Correct, if he performs well and stays healthy, other teams MAY offer him a decent contract. Three years of injuries will always be lingering and it may limit how much other teams are willing to pay. I’m taking the risk, assuming there will be few teams waiting to throw huge money at him. Considering his meager trade value, Bagley’s talent is worth the gamble. 

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July 2, 2021 12:10 pm

Unless Donte Divincenzo is in play, of course

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July 2, 2021 3:30 pm

I 100% agree, just was noting that if you can get him for less than 6M, means he probably wasn’t good this year and don’t want him. Unless there is a low 20’s or below pick or interesting young player available via trade, I’d leave him on the team. Thus I think he may be on the team.

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July 2, 2021 11:09 am

If by the #16 pick they mean Sengun and by the #18 pick they mean Roko Prkacin then sign me up

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July 2, 2021 11:33 am
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I’m not sure Sengun would still be there at 16. I think guys like Ziaire Williams, Bouknight, Giddey, Kai Jones, Tre mann are all in play for the 16th and 18th.

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July 2, 2021 1:22 pm
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This is where it gets really tough on us draft hobbyists. Without inside sources and interviews we don’t really have any idea who may be available where once we get beyond the clear top tier.

Just last year Haliburton fell to 12. Guys like Maxey, Bey, Hampton and Precious who were all regularly slotted into the lottery ended up going 19 or later.

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July 2, 2021 2:01 pm

You’re right. Every year there is always someone who is unexpectedly going to fall and rise during draft night and we have no idea who would it be in this upcoming class.

There’s an interesting take on Ryen Russillo’s podcast in which Chad Ford thinks Franz Wagner going to the Kings is “inevitable”. Man I hope Chad is wrong on that one and it’s all smoke and mirrors. I would really be disappointed if Wagner is the pick at 9.

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July 3, 2021 12:36 am
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Same. His big brother had fail written all over him from the time he declared, and I had to check to see if he was still in the league. He played for three teams last season, finishing in Orlando. So yes, he’s a free agent this summer. Hoping a somehow-worse organization wants to put together a Wagner family reunion.

I’m very pleased that McNair seems to favor length and athleticism. I have a feeling Fritz is better than Hans or whoever, but I’d prefer to take a bigger swing if the pick stays in-house.

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July 2, 2021 11:47 am
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Hadn’t seen any of Roko…thanks for the mention. For my personal preference of player type there is a lot to like for me on that film. Decent feel, measurables, mult position, shot not broken, extremely young to be producing in a decent league.

If you just lined up the prospects and I didn’t read any mocks, that guy looks top 12-13 to me. He’s not Doncic…I repeat he’s not Doncic, but there are some bargain basement Doncic style plays in the paint there, using slow moving body control to get free on push shots and spins. At least that’s what he reminded me of just a little bit.

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July 2, 2021 1:21 pm
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I’m a big fan of Prkacin. I would love to pick him up in the later 1st or early 2nd.

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July 2, 2021 9:00 pm

I’ve watched 5 min of YouTube on Roko – I’m sold!

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July 2, 2021 11:32 am

Is it possible to get a link to the podcast like you do with the other podcast?

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July 2, 2021 11:41 am

Sounds like typical Kangz. Let’s trade Bagley and our 9 for their 16/18.
What’s the point? I would rather force Bagley to play for his next contract next year. I am predicting he will Ball out. The Kings don’t need to make a decision now. Let him come off the bench. He wants to stay in the NBA and prove he’s an impact player. Absolutely no reason to trade him now.None. The Kings can sign and trade him next season. Thus, getting way more value. Why is everybody so impetuous in trading him. Let him play. If he wants to get paid by his next team, he will have a good year. Based on his offeseason workouts, I believe he’s finally taking the offseason seriously. He looks big, ripped, and working on his game in Miami. Where I am at.

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July 2, 2021 12:03 pm
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Or just send his buzzkill home. Kings aren’t going anywhere this year anyway. Wait it out and collect the 11m cap space next year. Bonehead still doesn’t understand the Kings hold all the cards to his even getting a chance to earn a next contract. He doesn’t want to grow up, send him home and let him “earn” the minimum one year deal next year.

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July 3, 2021 12:38 am
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You pay me one percent of that, and you’ll never see me here again.

Ah, sticks in the craw a bit when you’re the one ponying up, no?

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July 2, 2021 3:41 pm
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Maybe Bagley, 9 for 6 and 16 !

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July 2, 2021 4:06 pm
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Because Presti wants the privilege of spending 11m on Bagley for us.

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July 2, 2021 9:01 pm
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Lol

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July 2, 2021 11:52 am

The sense of entitlement that 15 years of losing has given Kings fans to be so picky in choosing what talent the Kings should acquire is truly remarkable.

Look at these poll results as if the Kings can afford to snub their noses at the NBA likes of Collin Sexton for the 9th pick:

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July 2, 2021 12:15 pm
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The Harden and Simmons hate on here were particularly laughable. As if anyone wants Buddy and Bagley for anything, let alone All-Stars.

Sexton for Franz is such a ridiculous no-brainer.

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July 2, 2021 8:22 pm
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What about Sexton at 4 years & 120 million for Franz? Still no brainer?

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July 2, 2021 12:53 pm
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Seriously. I’d do that trade everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Bird in hand…

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July 3, 2021 12:40 am
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I, for one, do not support acquiring eight Collin Sextons. I could see getting one for the #9, though.

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July 2, 2021 1:18 pm
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I recognize that Sexton for #9 is a good value and well worth it. I just don’t like Sexton. I think he’s a tough guy to build with and the type of guy that bad teams end up overpaying. If I’m trading that pick, I’m also looking for a different position and fit. While Sexton would be a general talent upgrade, I don’t think he solves any of the Kings major problems.

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July 2, 2021 1:22 pm

I think he could thrive in a 6th man role like Bobby Jackson or Lou Williams.

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July 2, 2021 1:29 pm
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Maybe. I just don’t see that as a priority for the team. IF they have any depth anywhere it’s at that guard slot. If the Kings are going to cash in on one of their primary trade assets, I would assume it would be filling some of the major front court holes.

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July 2, 2021 1:49 pm

For me it’s just about adding talent. It’s a pretty solid bet Sexton is and will be better than anyone taken at #9.

Put it this way, if at #9 the BPA is a guard, should the Kings pass?

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July 2, 2021 1:55 pm
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I don’t see any way the clear #9 BPA is a guard unless someone like Suggs or Green miraculously falls. We’re obviously also talking about very different situations since Sexton is going to start getting expensive soon. Sexton is absolutely absolutely better than anyone likely to be take at #9 next year, and probably better in the long run. I just don’t think trading for Sexton, then paying what I think it will take to keep him, is a path to sustainable Kings success.

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July 2, 2021 2:07 pm

The Kings are bottom 5 in payroll. If they aren’t interested in paying to keep assets, which has been a trend in recent years, then they might as well admit to not competing.

Talent is talent and the Kings lack it by the truck load. They SHOULD NOT be in a position to turn away talent based on position or cost. Winning teams pay big and losing teams to do not.

The only way for the Kings to raise payroll and get above the cap to compete is to keep the talent they have and spend above the cap. There is no other way.

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July 2, 2021 3:13 pm
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I don’t see this as turning away talent. I see this as spending their scant resources on a luxury good when they don’t have electricity or running water. They currently have one NBA caliber front court player on their roster.

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July 2, 2021 3:43 pm

Sexton is going to be 25+ million if not more. I fail to see how booting the 9th pick and signing your undersized super “6th man” as people are discussing is a good use of resources and team building.

I mean, Buddy makes 20 million and I don’t think anyone would be beating down the door to pay Buddy that to be a 6th man. Sexton while better isn’t that dramatically a different player per most advanced stats. His usage rate is 29% against Buddy’s 20%. Buddy could easily average 20+ if you give him that many looks. Their assists are similar per 100 possessions too , so Sexton isn’t some kind of play making savant.

Framing it as Kings fans are dumb not trading Sexton for 9 in a vacuum, is kind of a stupid premise.

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July 3, 2021 12:42 am
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I imagine Philly would have been able to justify Hield off the bench for $20 mil just last month.

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July 3, 2021 10:40 am
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Yeah he would have been helpful to them no doubt. But that 20M comes from somewhere. Probably means you don’t have Danny Green on the team or Seth Curry. Yes Green was injured, but not sure Buddy makes them appreciably better assuming health of those two. Especially considering Danny Green can play defense.

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July 2, 2021 8:19 pm
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If that guard costs 25M+ soon and is not likely better than Fox or Haliburton then€¦yea you pass.

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July 2, 2021 1:31 pm

Nobody at #9 is solving problems. Unless they can convince Vivek to sell.

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July 2, 2021 1:35 pm
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Certainly not immediately. But: 1. Somebody at #9 could eventually help solve their problems and 2. It isn’t a choice between drafting someone at 9 or trading it for Sexton. They could look to use 9 as an asset to trade for a player at position of greater need.

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July 2, 2021 1:43 pm

Of course, but no way you’re getting close to Sexton straight up for #9, which was the proposal.

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July 2, 2021 1:41 pm
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One never really knows, there will be players taken after the 9th spot that the Kings will wish they had drafted when all is said and done

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July 2, 2021 1:47 pm
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I’d rather go with the legit, young NBA player, than the 1 in maybe 7 or 8 chance this FO stumbles upon the diamond in the rough. Just me.

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July 12, 2021 10:57 pm

While Sexton would be a general talent upgrade, I don’t think he solves any of the Kings major problems.

I would argue that general talent is THE major problem for the Kings. Therefore acquiring Sexton would benefit the Kings likely more than any 9th pick in the immediate landscape of the team. Keep adding top end talent until your top end is better than most of the competition in your vicinity.

I also buy the argument that you don’t trade the pick because building from the draft is the only way to collect top and talent superior to that of the likes of Sexton. And therefore you ought to diligently mine the lottery for that future impact player.

Still. It’s hard to feel like Sexton isn’t likely to be better than whatever else they do with 9. If it’s on the table, he immediately makes the team better, and also very likely sets the domino on motion that trades Buddy Hield. And were that to happen, we would have to witness the fallout from that, to fully appreciate and assess any trade evaluation of the 9 for Sexton.

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July 2, 2021 1:43 pm
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Talent wise no brainer… but how much you going to pay him after next season?

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July 2, 2021 2:01 pm
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That’s the counterpoint. But this team has to find a way to acquire young talent. Dump Barnes, Buddy, and Marv for cap relief, and see if Sexton becomes worthy of it here. Not like the Kings are on the cusp of anything. Take some risks.

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July 3, 2021 12:47 am
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Just “dump” them, so that we can free up $50 million to wave at free agents who wouldn’t even take a phone call showing a 916 area code?

This ongoing notion that it would somehow be smart to just get rid of these guys, regardless of return? It’s childlike, and reads like a tantrum. It doesn’t matter if you don’t like their games or contracts, they are assets with the team, and assets in leaving the team. But for nothing?

I’m hoping that you’ve developed some animosity about your Lamborghini, because I’d welcome the opportunity to give you absolutely nothing for it.

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July 4, 2021 6:03 am
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Well, cap space can, and preferably should be by this franchise, used to acquire talent via trade. But we don’t really try that here.

Regardless, we aren’t moving these guys without taking similar salary back. That’s the reality.

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July 4, 2021 11:20 am
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Letting assets leave the team for nothing is a time-honored Kings tradition.

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July 2, 2021 2:41 pm
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Uh, no. The difference in value between Sexton as a 6th man and Terrence Davis as your 6th man is NOT equal to what you could get at #9.

It is possible to get a star at #9 if you are keen enough in your talent assessment and prognostication, or if you are simply lucky in lieu of skill.

This is not about a “sense of entitlement”, I have no idea what this even means.

I think Sexton is a good player, really good, I actually liked him more than Young pre-draft, but I would not trade him for the #9.

We have instant offense in a combo guard. His name is TD. We cannot afford to spend our greatest asset on a duplicative player when we have gaping holes along the wing and guys like Sengun and Jackson highly likely to be there when we pick.

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July 2, 2021 12:58 pm

OT: Folks seriously think the Kings could get Simmons for a Buddy and Bagley package? This is why I think it will take Fox or Hali and picks to get Simmons.

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July 2, 2021 1:15 pm
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Did anybody really think Buddy/Bagley would get him? The cleanest deal, and one that I would do, but most (including Monte) wouldn’t is just Fox for Simmons with some minor spackling were needed.

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July 2, 2021 1:23 pm

Yep, that’s the deal. Let Hali become the PG.

Impossible to judge how serious people are on here, but Buddy and Bagley were certainly proposed enough under the idea that Simmons is an unfixable headcase, or even “sucks.”

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July 2, 2021 1:27 pm
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Exactly. Folks may no like the look of it on paper it but I think a trio of Hali, Buddy, and Simmons is better than Fox, Buddy, Simmons. And it would have to be one of those because a trio of Fox, Hali, Simmons ain’t happening.

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July 2, 2021 2:30 pm
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Huh? False paradigm. Fox Haliburton and a 3rd player yet to be acquired (using #9 Bagley and / or Buddy) is better than Hali, Buddy and Simmons.

Hali and Fox are untouchable per our GM (McGenius) no matter how much you want to concoct your “dream scenario”.

Trading Fox for Simmons would be insane . Simmons was less of a factor than Seth Curry vs ATL , he was scared and tentative, i.e. a loser, and you want to give the BEST and most dominant player away in franchise history, better than C-Webb and Mitch Richmond in their prime, who has his best 4-5 years ahead of him, for a guy who wilted like a flower in the triple digits in the biggest moment of his season?

There was also an apathetic quality to Simmons as his team got ousted, a helplessness, because he did not have the skills or will or fortitude to respond to the competitve intenstity and execution of superstar Trae Young. Embiid was all alone. He needed help and Simmons could not provide it. This is your gem, your must-have, what a crock.

Speaking of Young, Fox will be just as dominant and thrilling when we make the playoffs, and you want to throw that all away, you want to prolong the failure and underachievement as well as Vlade ever could? I would like to have Simmons on our team, we need defense and passing along the frontline, but Bagley, Buddy and the #9 is not going to get it done, and I don’t think substituting Barnes in for either player would be agreeable to the 76ers either.

So there is nothing to discuss. We are not giving the 76ers what they would want (smartly so) and they are not going to agree to what we we’d be willing to do, though certainly we should try.

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July 4, 2021 8:47 pm

I just personally don’t believe Simmons contributes to winning basketball games more than Fox would. We can argue which skill sets we value more, or who has better accolades as a means of deciding which player is better, but I legitimately believe in a 1 to 1 swap of Fox and Simmons the Kings don’t win any more games than they otherwise would have. I think Fox-Simmons is a lateral move and so I’d rather just keep the guy we already have. Simmons for Hali+picks would be tougher to walk away from.

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July 5, 2021 10:22 am
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Yeah, we’re just going to disagree there. I mean, at its root we’re talking about a guy that has been a top 2-3 player for a team that’s reached the playoffs all 4 of his seasons, reached the ECSF 3 times, and was a Kawhi 4-bouncer away from the Finals (and a likely win considering how beat up GS was), vs a guy that has yet to play on a winning team or make the playoffs. There is a good argument for Fox over Simmons, but I’m not sure “contributes more to winning” is it considering Simmons has actually contributed to a winning team and Fox hasn’t.
I get choosing Fox over Simmons. Simmons has a really glaring hole in his game that forces you to build around it (Fox does too, it just isn’t quite as dramatic). But what Simmons does well (defending, positional rebounding, passing) he is absolutely elite at.
Whether it’s on the Kings or not, I’d be really interested to see what Simmons looks like in a more motion based offense rather than playing with 1-2 high usage ISO front court players.

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July 2, 2021 1:36 pm
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I don’t believe that an offer was made, everything I’ve read after that post game presser seems to damage control and attempt to regain leverage.

The 76ers leaking that they think a Lilliard/Simmons swap straight up is fair deal is ridiculous, they’re trying to place trade ideas that inflate Simmons value.

He is not returning to Philly no matter how much the 6ers front office says so. They’ll get a decent return, but it won’t be for true value

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July 2, 2021 1:38 pm
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I think he’s back in Philly to start next season. Not sure he’ll end the season there…

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July 2, 2021 2:33 pm
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Barring a pretty spectacular offer, that sounds right to me.

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July 2, 2021 2:14 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

They will get more than you think. Morey is a real GM. The media is also running with a story, some of it is true but they aren’t gonna fire sale a guy with his pedigree if it doesn’t get them closer vs where they are with him.

Real teams know what they have and have a sober real world view. Not what the owner wannabe GM thinks.

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July 2, 2021 1:10 pm

Hearing what a smart small market NBA does to build for the future is such a nice refreshing change from the morons on David Stern Way.

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July 2, 2021 8:29 pm

Good podcast. The trade exception and the inability to roster all their draft picks creates some possibilities. Trading Bagley for picks 34 and 36 might work. At one point you mentioned Hield and 9 for 16 and 18? I’d consider that one also.

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July 3, 2021 12:49 am
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As long as we use a second-rounder on EJ Onu, I don’t care about anything else.

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July 3, 2021 10:23 am
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I will pay $5 to the charity of Vivek’s choice if we use our 2nd round pick on Marcus Bagley.

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July 5, 2021 10:34 pm

What would it take to land Miles Bridges from CHA? Do you think the 9, Bagley and Hield would get it done? I believe Miles is a RFA next year, so we’d need to give him an extension in for the trade to make sense.

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July 6, 2021 12:17 pm
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If Holmes becomes too expensive for the Kings tastes (god forbid) and if Charlotte really wants him and he wants to go there Could a sign and trade and get Bridges back work?

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