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Would You Rather: Match Bogdanovic’s offer or let him walk?

Let's debate the question currently hanging over the head of the Sacramento Kings.

On Sunday, Bogdan Bogdanovic signed a 4-year $72 million offer sheet with the Atlanta Hawks. As he is a restricted free agent, the Kings have 48 hours to match the offer. We'll know by late tomorrow morning which way the Kings will go. The question today is which way do you think they should go.

One important detail of the offer is a 15% trade kicker. Our own Tim Maxwell provided a good explanation of that kicker:

So, to clarify, the Kings would be responsible for a bonus equal to 15% of the remaining guaranteed money if/when they trade Bogi. The longer they keep him, the smaller that hit is. If the Kings found a destination Bogi liked, he could also waive that kicker to make a deal easier. And the Kings could always try to negotiate to have the team acquiring Bogi send back cash considerations to offset the financial impact of the kicker.

Keeping Bogi would preserve an asset but create a logjam between Bogi, Buddy Hield, and Tyrese Haliburton. Letting Bogi walk would create a cleaner cap sheet and avoid a logjam, but would mean losing a good player for nothing.

With the framework set, let's start the discussion. Let us know in the comments how you would handle Bogi's situation.

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PoundTheRock
November 23, 2020 12:23 pm

I would rather match. We can roster him and wait for the right time to deal both BB8 and Buddy.

I really love Bogdan though. I wish it didn’t have to be this way…

PoundTheRock
November 23, 2020 12:24 pm
Reply to  PoundTheRock

Also, think you could have found a higher resolution photo of Bogdan?

I feel like he could be a character in Wolfenstein.

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MyNeighborTurturro
November 23, 2020 1:11 pm
Reply to  PoundTheRock

He definitely has the jawline.

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cloudyeyes
November 23, 2020 1:53 pm
Reply to  PoundTheRock

Rostering him = less minutes for him… or you can start him, bench a disgruntled Hield, take away minutes from Haliburton, just to keep Bogi’s trade value high – and then trade him with a 15% kicker in the middle of the season..

Let him walk. Above average player, solid starter. There are many like him. Give minutes to Haliburton who would happily sit on a bench as he develops.

AirmaxPG
November 23, 2020 4:45 pm
Reply to  cloudyeyes

Bogi will not take minutes from Hali. Don’t know why that’s a thing. Maybe that’s what homers like James Ham will say if we get nothing in return. “It’s all part of the plan, you guys”.

It’s simple asset management. We match, and then trade him sooner or later for younger players who will fit better with Hali.

Bogi can waive the kicker if he’s not happy here.

GhostMalone
November 23, 2020 6:57 pm
Reply to  PoundTheRock

I agree that they should match but think they should move him as soon as possible once they do. Any sort of significant return is better than letting him walk, but hanging onto him as he gets older (not to mention an injury and being stuck with his contract) is a risk that outweighs the type of return you’re going to get anyways, even if you maximize his value

1951
November 23, 2020 12:26 pm

I am torn. Neither Buddy nor Bogi are part of the future. They both should be gone by the end of this next season at the latest.

That said, it would be nice to get some value for them. I think both would have more value at the trade deadline (as contenders deal with injuries, misfitting parts, and lack of shooting/playmaking). It’s a gamble and you are taking on the trade kicker as the price to play, but one that could pay off in acquiring some assets.

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Dirkula
November 23, 2020 2:42 pm
Reply to  1951

as contenders deal with injuries, misfitting parts, and lack of shooting/playmaking

Tend to agree, however there is no guarantee he doesn’t get injured himself, and then we’re saddled with him while his value drops…

ElRonToro
November 23, 2020 12:27 pm

I would match Bogi. We don’t have many assets and can’t afford to lose any. I would then try to trade Buddy for assets. If not Buddy then Barnes.
if this all fails I’m ok running Fox, Bogi, Buddy and hoping Halliburton at 30+ minutes a game. Barnes would split time between PF/SF around 50/50. I would go small ball. It would be fun to watch while we try to maximize our assets for future assets.

TheGrantNapear
November 23, 2020 12:29 pm
Reply to  ElRonToro

Totally agree with this.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 12:27 pm

Let him walk. If the future starts now, there’s no reason to ankle yourself to someone with recurring knee problems, and who will be thirty-two when the contract ends.

Assuming he stays, let Buddy start, and give Haliburton at least twenty-five minute per game. Since the new kid also plays the point with great skill, he can also spell Fox.

Let the kids play, this season isn’t about anything other than development.

TheGrantNapear
November 23, 2020 12:29 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

32 when the contract ends actually spunds perfectly ideal to me, that’s a player’s prime.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 12:45 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear
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IvanowskiNBA
Member
November 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Hey, if we get back on track to a normal season timeline he’ll only be 31 when his contact ends. Does that help? No? Didn’t think so.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 2:42 pm
Reply to  IvanowskiNBA

This changes everything!

TheGrantNapear
November 23, 2020 12:28 pm

He is an asset and would be under that contract. Talent deprived teams like the Kangz can’t lose the few assets they have for nothing. Sign him and either trade him or Buddy at a later time.
i think Monte is taking his time matching just to screw back at Atl. But we’ll see.

RobHessing
November 23, 2020 12:31 pm

I would vote match…barely.

This is not without risk, obviously. Aside from the risk that always accompanies large contracts (injuries, trade demands, post-payment lethargy), one could argue that Bogi’s presence could have a negative growth impact on Haliburton, as Walton is not exactly known for developing youth in the first place. It could also continue to tamp down Hield’s value. But…

If the Kings commit to putting their best players into rotation and going smaller at the wing, there could be enough minutes to go around, and Haliburton could develop and Hield could regain his past value. Narrow needle to thread and all that.

Also, I think that the NBA will rebound financially post-COVID and that Bogi’s contract could eventually be better than fair value.

So I match. But it’s razor close, and while I’ll bemoan losing Bogi for nothing, I’ll understand the rationale if that happens.

AmateurNerd
November 23, 2020 12:36 pm

Shake his hand and let him walk. The future of this team’s backcourt is Fox and Haliburton. Hield, for better or worse, won’t be going anywhere for a bit unless the Kings accept pennies on the dollar. McNair’s rebuild will take at least 2-3 full seasons to get going (assuming all goes well), when Bogi will be north of 30 and in line for one last big (probably inflated) payday. Keep the money, embrace the 2021 tankathon, and look forward.

AirmaxPG
November 23, 2020 1:56 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

How does having Bogi around negatively impact Haliburton’s growth? Fox is a 1. Haliburton is a 1 or 2. Buddy’s a 2. Bogi is a 1, 2, or 3.

1- Fox 32 mins/ Hali 16
2- Buddy 30 mins/Hali 10/ Bogi 8
3- Bogi 22 mins/ Barnes 10/ Jeffries 16
4- Barnes 20/ Bagley 15/ Bjelly 13
5- Holmes 25/ Bagley 15/ Bjelly 8

That’s 26 minutes per game for Haliburton. Same as Gilgeous-Alexander his rookie year. Obviously you want to move Buddy and/or Bogi (and Barnes) as soon as you can to add young talent/picks in return.

Bottom line in my opinion is that Bogi is a valuable asset. You don’t just let those walk for nothing. $18M is fair market value for his services. You match, and you figure out the rest later. No damage will be done by keeping Bogi this year. If he wants out, he can waive the trade kicker.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 1:59 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

Yeah, I’d argue that keeping Buddy over Bogi is more of a hindrance to Hali’s potential playing time and growth.

I could see Fox, Hali, and Bogi sharing time on the floor together, while I can’t say the same for Fox, Hali, and Buddy.

richie88
November 23, 2020 2:04 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I’ve read that Hali might have a 7’ wingspan, so he might be able to defend SF’s if he gets stronger.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 2:08 pm
Reply to  richie88

He is long, but it would take years of strength training to get to that point, IMO.

BuffaloDiaspora
November 23, 2020 2:18 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

He’s 20. Adding crazy amounts of size and strength at that age is just matter of lifting a lot and jamming food into his foodhole.

(oh how I yearn for those days…)

richie88
November 23, 2020 2:21 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

That’s why I said he’d have to get stronger.

November 23, 2020 3:49 pm
Reply to  richie88

If Hali gets more muscle on his frame (and I heard he’s going to) he can play 1-3 easy.

cloudyeyes
November 23, 2020 2:33 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

You give a lot of defense away starting Bogi st the 3. Bogi is 6’6″ and average SF is 6’8″ to 6’10”. Bogi can’t make up for it with a long wingspan like Haliburton, either.

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AirmaxPG
November 23, 2020 4:11 pm
Reply to  cloudyeyes

Yeah, the point is not to win games. So if Bogi gets eaten up on D, that’s fine. Maybe he’ll waive the trade kicker to go somewhere he can play his natural position. And we’d get something in return. Point is, it won’t hurt Hali either way.

Want2win
November 23, 2020 7:14 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

Since when is not winning the object of playing games?

NorCalKingsFan
November 23, 2020 7:43 pm
Reply to  Want2win

during a tank

Want2win
November 24, 2020 6:10 am
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

Fair enough…I’m not a fan of the tank..but do understand the reasons for it

AmateurNerd
November 23, 2020 3:54 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

If Haliburton is Fox’s backcourt mate of the future, I’d argue it doesn’t make sense to play him split time with Bogi and Buddy in either the short or long term. As you showed above, keeping Bogi AND giving Haliburton significant playing time will 1) require Hali to back up Fox at PG, rather than play alongside him, and 2) require Bogi to play out of position at the 3. (Yes, he’s done it in the past; no, it doesn’t work very well.) A three-guard rotation of Fox, Buddy, and Hali can keep all three in their natural positions, provide more PT for Hali to develop, and–bonus–maintain more cap flexibility for the FO.
Bogi is a bona fide starter-level talent, but having four guards who need/want starter-level minutes in the backcourt is not a tenable situation. Someone’s going to get left on the bench and/or playing out of position at the 3. And for what? A few extra wins this year and next, if all goes well? I understand that Bogi is a good asset, and you don’t give up assets for nothing. But $17 million/year in cap space is also an asset, and you don’t just throw out that opportunity, either. This isn’t a choice of “asset” (Bogi”) vs. “no asset”; it’s about which asset will be more useful for the Kings at this point. My vote is for the cap space and the extra PT for Hali that comes with it.
EDIT: For the record, I’d much rather have Bogi than Buddy, so if McNair can find a way to dump Buddy in the next 24 hours and then match Bogi, sign me up in a heartbeat.

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Otis
November 23, 2020 4:00 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

Saying that Haliburton is Fox’s backcourt mate of the future and relying on it are two entirely different things. Think we have to see him play first.

lutherRackley
November 24, 2020 9:31 am
Reply to  Otis

This comment, full of hard earned insight and gorgeous simplicity, should the end of the discussion.

AirmaxPG
November 23, 2020 4:17 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

What are we going to do with $18M in cap space? We’re never going to sign a free agent with the value Bogi has right now. Bogi > cap space.

I’m not using a late lottery rookie as justification to let talent go (just yet). He’ll get his PT (as illustrated above), and the one blocking his pairing up with Fox (as you can see) is not Bogi, it’s Buddy.

You absolutely trade Buddy for whatever expirings plus picks/prospects you can get.

richie88
November 23, 2020 7:57 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

Whether or not the Kings keep BB8, Hali’s probably gonna play at PG & SG (& he’ll probably play alongside Fox for many of his minutes at SG).

djhmltn
November 24, 2020 12:11 am
Reply to  AirmaxPG

So we’re cool with giving Fox a max deal and not increasing his minutes per game?

AirmaxPG
November 24, 2020 8:25 am
Reply to  djhmltn

Fox will make around $8M this year. I’d like to free up more minutes by trading Buddy and/or Bogi by the time the max extension kicks in next year. But I’m not into giving valuable rotation players away for free.

ImJoeKing
November 24, 2020 2:25 am
Reply to  AirmaxPG

Man, looking at your minutes projections makes me think how expensive CoJo is as a non-rotation guy.

AirmaxPG
November 24, 2020 8:26 am
Reply to  ImJoeKing

Yeah the draft changed things for CoJo. Unfortunately he should be odd man out. Maybe we can get him to a contender for filler and a 2nd.

November 23, 2020 12:38 pm

I’m keeping an eye out on James Hams tweet about something being in the works with Indiana. Letting Len walk made me buy into that a bit more. James is no Amick but has history of being the voice for the front office. Of course, matching and sending him to Indiana for Turner would be incredible if they can pull it off.

also, if Bogi doesn’t want to be here, I’m sure he’d sign off on a trade to a team he likes. Even if it’s peanuts at that point. At least we get something. I’m just praying for an article detailing how Monte sent a big FU back to Atlanta for this offer sheet with some move no one saw coming.

November 23, 2020 3:51 pm
Reply to  Sir_tajj

If that happens and we get Turner for this brouhaha then that’s a big, big FU to Atlanta.

MaybeNextYear
November 23, 2020 12:40 pm

Keep Bogi, IF we are confident we can trade both him and Buddy for decent value. Otherwise, let him walk.

ElRonToro
November 23, 2020 12:49 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

Bogi can’t be traded this year without his consent

MaybeNextYear
November 23, 2020 12:50 pm
Reply to  ElRonToro

Something tells me he’d consent if he’s going to a better situation (aka he’d consent to trades to about 25 other teams)

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November 23, 2020 3:51 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

If he still gets the money he won’t mind being traded to anywhere IMO.

AmateurNerd
November 23, 2020 3:56 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

Milwaukee Bucks on line 1 to have a word about this.

richie88
November 23, 2020 8:02 pm
Reply to  AmateurNerd

That was a $ dispute. Now that’s he getting the $ he wants, he’ll probably go to any good team.

PlayoffModeT
November 23, 2020 12:40 pm

I would match. Even if we only get .50 on the dollar, that is better then letting him walk. I would certainly trade Buddy soon.

Anybody else think we should kick the tires on Dario Saric or Juancho Hernangomez? I think one could be a solid add.

Tunel_21
November 23, 2020 12:41 pm
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

Saric resigned with Phoenix

A_Night_At_The_Arco
November 23, 2020 1:08 pm
Reply to  Tunel_21

Saw that Juancho is going back to Minny.

kingsforaday
November 23, 2020 1:08 pm
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

annnnd hernangomez re-signed with the wolves

CastlePeak
November 23, 2020 12:44 pm

Definitely match. As the trade kicker also verifies, Bogi is a valuable asset and Kings can’t let him walk without compensation. Roster is also thinning. Figure out next steps and options for him, Buddy and others on the roster later.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 12:44 pm

Match. The Kings are a market that cannot let assets walk for nothing. At near dead last in desired market for players their only option for improvement are through the draft or trade. The Kings will not get anyone of Bogi’s caliber to sign via free agency.

Once matched, McNair can evaluate the roster and make adjustments as the season progresses. The Kings are not making the playoffs anytime soon so retain what valuable assets you have and use them in trade as needed over the next year.

Marty
November 23, 2020 12:56 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

This.

HandOfTheKings
November 23, 2020 12:46 pm

It truly makes no sense not to match it. So many contending teams will be looking to add difference makers at the trade deadline for their push to playoffs. Holding onto Bogi and dangling him for assets / picks is a no-brainer in my mind.

NotAlwaysLogic
November 23, 2020 1:45 pm
Reply to  HandOfTheKings

True and great point, but can they trade him at this season’s deadline, or do they have to wait 1 year? Still not clear on that.

Henry
November 23, 2020 2:16 pm
Reply to  NotAlwaysLogic

My understanding is that they would not be able to trade Bogi to the team that signed him (Atlanta) for one year. They could trade him to other teams, but that would trigger the 15% trade kicker. Not sure if there are any veto clauses in addition to the kicker, which would further complicate things.

Otis
November 23, 2020 2:20 pm
Reply to  Henry

I think he gets to veto in the first year. I suspect he wouldn’t though, unless he was going into a truly terrible situation.

Henry
November 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Walk. Everyone but Fox, Bagley, and the rooks need to go. Pile up the losses for a top-five pick and start over with a fresh vision. Bogi does not vault this team into a contender, does not fit the timeline, and any win he brings while on the team potentially puts us further down the draft order.

Caveat being, of course, to only match if McNair has a sure-bet trade lined up to trade Bogi to a different team, not turned off by the 15% kicker, before the deadline this year, for younger player(s) that fit the timeline. But that’s a lot of ifs, so I highly doubt would be doable.

Henry
November 23, 2020 1:03 pm
Reply to  Henry

.. One more thing on the salary — I think whatever Milwaukee had in mind to offer ($14 mil or so) was probably fair value. Atlanta’s offer is a necessary overpay to dissuade matching. Adding the kicker, that’s about $5.5 mil per year or a total of $22 mil over value for the life of the contract! That’s more than enough to turn off most teams if the plan is to flip him. If Bogi wasn’t already part of team and well-liked by fans, it would be a Kanzy move to offer up such a contract given the fact that we are nowhere close to contending.

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KingofNOthing
November 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Match, I`m here for the drama if Bogdan and Buddy still here, cause its sure as hell not for the basketball.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 12:49 pm

The fact that it hasn’t been reported the the Kings are going to let him walk OR match tells me the McNair is still working on something. Yes, he still less than 24 hours to decide Bogi’s fate, but if his intention were to simply match or let him walk, we would have heard about it by now. Something is still cooking, me thinks.

kingsforaday
November 23, 2020 1:13 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

This is what I’ve been thinking. Or they’re waiting for more of a consensus opinion at TKH. Hence this thread 😛.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 1:16 pm
Reply to  kingsforaday

Could also just be trying to make ATL sweat into a S&T. They are sitting on that $18M offer sheet while what what’s left of the usable free agents get picked up.

Henry
November 23, 2020 1:20 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I believe now that Bogi has signed, sign and trade is no longer an option, nor can Bogi be traded to Atlanta for one year if we do match.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 1:22 pm
Reply to  Henry

From what I understand they can pull the offer sheet within the 48 hours. If they do that, they can negotiate a sign and trade. That all being said, they’d only do that if there was another target for them in free agency, but that ship and nearly sailed because not much is left.

Henry
November 23, 2020 1:28 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Hm, I have never heard of that happening once the offer has been signed and submitted to the original team. If parties can back away from signed agreements then what’s the point of the whole process? I could be wrong, but either way that avenue sounds pretty far fetched.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 1:33 pm
Reply to  Henry

Yeah, it’s far fetched. I doubt it happens. Just spitballing as to why McNair would need the full 48 hours to make this decision. If he has no intention of matching, why not just say so so both parties can move on? I’m not sure why he’d need the full 48 hours to make the decision, especially with nothing else happening.

Had McNair used the last 24 hours to sign free agents, it would make more sense to wait 48 hours so they could go over the cap to match Bogi’s offer. Since nothing else has happened I assume McNair is still working on something.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 1:42 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

He hasn’t needed the time to decide, he’s just fucking Atlanta for putting such a big sheet on the table. The money they offered is tied up until McNair decides, which could cost them a shot at some players.

NotAlwaysLogic
November 23, 2020 1:47 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

I love the shrewdness of waiting until the last minute. Is it that big of a sheet though? Seems like any other year with more teams having cap space Bogi would have got bid up near $20M/yr.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 1:52 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

But there is no one left for them to spend $18M on. At this point, what is the point? It also doesn’t address the fact that McNair has done NOTHING else. If makes me feel like he is still working on something.

If I had to guess, he is working the phones on a trade for Buddy. If he can move Buddy by noon EST tomorrow, he matches on Bogi.

Henry
November 23, 2020 2:27 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

There is no reason to rush to decide, regardless of whether there’s anything concrete in the works. The only possibility I can think of is a match and trade for Myles Turner, given that youth movement seems to be the plan.

Flip Buddy/keep Bogi just doesn’t seem to fit, but then again neither does the interest in Whiteside. So who knows.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 3:00 pm
Reply to  Henry

That would be my ideal situation. Flip Buddy for Turner and match on Bogi. Julius Randle is another one I’d inquire about.

BuffaloDiaspora
November 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

If the Knicks are serious about trading for Westbrook they will need to send Randle’s contract the other way (or like 9 other dudes)

If they aren’t serious about Westbrook, trading for Buddy would be the Knicksiest thing ever.

9sac8
November 23, 2020 12:50 pm

Resign Bogi. Trade Buddy to ATL for Huerter, Hunter, and Reddish. Throw in CoJo or Justin James. Just PLEASE get it done. As stated, our roster is looking thin these days.

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SmallBallReject
November 23, 2020 2:20 pm
Reply to  9sac8

This is actually a strategy!

richie88
November 23, 2020 2:42 pm
Reply to  9sac8

I seriously doubt Atlanta would trade all 3 of those guys for Buddy.

ForKingsandCountry
November 23, 2020 2:52 pm
Reply to  9sac8

I get the sense that the return for Buddy would be almost nothing so I don’t think you’re getting any of those players for him.

NorCalKingsFan
November 23, 2020 7:58 pm

I highly doubt that Buddy has no trade value, seems like BS rumors to me. Buddy is still a lights-out shooter and they are getting paid.

Harris got 4/$72M. Bertans just got 5/$80M and is not as well-rounded as Buddy is. Using Bertans as a comparison, Buddy rebounds well for a SG so he actually rebounds at a higher clip than Bertans (BH 4.6/g vs DB 4.5/g), not to mention assists & steals being in Buddy’s favor as well (which is expected for his position, but even blocks/g was close at 0.2 vs 0.6).

If Bertans can command 5/$80M, Buddy definitely has some trade value.

richie88
November 23, 2020 9:34 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

I think Buddy has some trade value, but it’ll need to be built back up to get his trade value to a level that’d lead to a good trade (& I think that could happen since I think Gentry will be running the offense next season).

BabalooMagoo
November 23, 2020 12:50 pm

Match Bogi and ship Buddy at the trade deadline. There is bound to be a contender that would be willing to pull the trigger.

realjc
November 23, 2020 12:50 pm

I would let Bogi walk. Fox, Bagley, and the new kids are the future. They need all the minutes they can get to develop. Having Bogi and Hield on this roster does nothing for Sacramento’s future.

Tunel_21
November 23, 2020 1:01 pm

This calls for an old-fashioned coin flip

OG_Aggie
November 23, 2020 1:03 pm

Match. Can’t give up what few assets we have. I also think there must be something cooking since all the players that have been allowed to leave. (Ok, think = hope.)

HoustonJP
November 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Reply to  OG_Aggie

Joe Dumars is working the phones with all of his connections.

i would bet a cheeseburger Monte and Joe are also spending a lot of time with Vivek and with the larger minority interest owners walking them through the upside and the downside of matching the Hawks offer as well as doing nothing and identifying other options to monetize Bogi as an asset that should merit a fair ROCE.

HumboldtCPA
November 23, 2020 1:07 pm

I don’t trust Buddy to not cause drama even if they let BB8 walk and he gets to start. I’d prefer to match BB8 and find a trade partner for Buddy.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
November 23, 2020 1:17 pm
Reply to  HumboldtCPA

That is my biggest fear as well. They my let Bogi walk but also have Buddy demand a trade in the coming months.

oshima9
November 23, 2020 1:27 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Great, tell Buddy to have his agent find someone who wants to trade something of value for him.

markdog333
November 23, 2020 7:24 pm
Reply to  oshima9

I am hoping this has been done already.

CheekMagnet
November 23, 2020 1:08 pm

Keep. Who else are we going to sign with that 18 mill? No ones coming, we need to either draft or kidnap, I mean trade, for our assets.

ImJoeKing
November 24, 2020 2:28 am
Reply to  CheekMagnet

Can always take on bad contracts and facilitate trades with that cap space for draft picks.

kings4ever
November 23, 2020 1:08 pm

When you cannot get a whiff of the playoffs, like when Bogi choked two years ago and Buddy choked this summer, shooting us out of 2-3 games, when these are the two guys who are unhappy, I say STFU. You have no right to be unhappy or make demands when you have only been part of chronic losing. When you lead the team to playoffs and play well there then you can make demands. No one cares if you are unhappy.

Guess what, everyone else is unhappy with the collective underachievement and failure that got the GM canned, including other players and the fans bearing witness to the ineptitude, how about that?

So for those who say we need to appease or assuage their unhappiness, I say how about they take ownership for their discontent and play better. How about you use past adversity as motivation? Wasn’t Buddy unhappy right before he signed his 90M contract . Then he is unhappy soon again, this baby needs to grow up and look in the mirror and stop giving the ball away to the opponent like candy.

There is too much credence put into this notion, Buddy and Bogi is unhappy and we must cater to their demands. And this is why we need a stronger minded coach then a Southern California Surfer. The weakness and passiveness of Walton trickles down. A coach who garnered more respect would nip this BS in the bud.

This is a long winded way of saying none of the decisions related to keeping Bogi should relate to the prospective happiness or unhappiness of him or Buddy who both will get paid a ton of dough to dribble a ball. You are unhappy, so what, get over you prima donna p**ses and play better if you want to come near to earning your contract.

I say we match on Bogi then fire Walton at the first team slump (prob Feb or March) and get a new coach in there that can get the most out of these players instead of let the whine like spoiled children. In the meantime you hope either have career years to pump their trade value. Pump and dump is far more appealing than letting Bogi walk for nothing,

Yakshi
November 23, 2020 1:08 pm

I would let him walk. Imagine if Bogi were a free agent, because right now, that’s basically what he is. With our roster as it is now, would signing another shooting guard be on your top-five list of priorities?

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 1:10 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

That’s as good of a summary as you’re going to find. I’d rec this twice if I could.

Adamsite
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November 23, 2020 1:18 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

The thing is, I don’t think you match to keep him long term. I don’t think many of feel that Bogi or Buddy are going to be on the next playoff team. You match just to keep the asset in the cupboard, not to win games.

oshima9
November 23, 2020 1:34 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

It’s a high risk asset that creates problems for the team.

AirmaxPG
November 23, 2020 2:08 pm
Reply to  oshima9

Wait, Bogi is high risk?

ImJoeKing
November 24, 2020 2:32 am
Reply to  AirmaxPG

At that contract, with that trade kicker, his age, and injury history there is more than a little risk that attempts to salvage value out of his restricted status blows up in the Kings face if they match.

AirmaxPG
November 24, 2020 8:33 am
Reply to  ImJoeKing

Contract is market value. Trade kicker can be waived. He’s 28. His injury history is fine. I think high risk is over-stating a little. It’s a risk for sure, but seems to be one that at least one very respected GM in Schlenk is willing to take.

LOUiE
November 23, 2020 3:34 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I don’t think there will ever be a next playoff team.

eurostep
November 23, 2020 1:24 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

Best take of the day.

ArcoThunder
November 23, 2020 1:46 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

No it wouldnt but signing another shooting gaurd thats better and cheaper then the one I already have then I do that. Then I trade the more expensive one who is not as good for pennies on the dollar. I am ok with that.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 2:04 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

What color is the sky in the world where this happens?

ArcoThunder
November 23, 2020 2:22 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Huh? What do you mean. It happens under a blue sky.

Bogi is better and cheaper then Buddy. Keep the better and cheaper player as opposed to the weaker more expensive player.

Trade Buddy. Is it for Pennies on the dollar? I don’t care.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 2:47 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Just trade him.

“Here, other team! You’re taking Buddy Hield and his shit attitude! We would like back one All-Star and between nine and twelve first round picks.”

You’re right. McNair would be stupid not to do this deal.

ArcoThunder
November 23, 2020 6:22 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Um… are you kidding or serious? I can’t tell.

I didn’t say trade him for an all star or trade him for 9 first round picks. Definitely not both. Was your comment even meant for me?

if it in fact was then I will tell you what I did actually say. I said trade Buddy for expiring contracts and a late first round pick. I would be absolutely shocked if 10 different teams wouldn’t jump at that opportunity.

so yeah, “hey other team, here’s Buddy Hield. Thanks for taking a really good player that’s going to help your playoff team make a championship run in exchange for two guys you were already trying to get rid of and a late 20 first round pick next year. We owe you?”

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markdog333
November 23, 2020 7:31 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

You might have to be the team giving up the pick in that scenario. The only redeeming thing about Buddy’s contract right now is that it is declining, so it may have positive value towards the end.

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AirmaxPG
November 23, 2020 2:09 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

If Bogi were a free agent, there’s no way in hell he would come here. That’s why don’t let him walk for nothing. He can play 1, 2, or 3. Unlike Buddy.

BabalooMagoo
November 23, 2020 3:13 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

Wait, I thought Buddy could play point guard. At least Luke apparently thinks/thought so.

jswilliams37
November 23, 2020 8:24 pm
Reply to  BabalooMagoo

This is a reply to a bunch of you…

What if Buddy had an off year and this year he’s on?

SierraSpartan
November 23, 2020 1:09 pm

I’m 6/5 U-pick-’em on this but my instinct is to let him go.

I love Bogi for his leadership of the horde and his ability to make dagger threes when needed (at least early in the season).

BUT…

Keeping Bogi will be a ginormous anchor of a contract of a dude who has already demonstrated he wants out. Having him plus another malcontent (Hield) in the same locker room is going to stunt the playing growth (and the professional growth) of Tyrese.

If the market was better for Hield in the medium-term future I’d take a chance on keeping Bogi, but I just don’t see that locker room gelling.

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jjdski
November 23, 2020 1:13 pm

Byeeee!

Chent
November 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Match. Bogi and Buddy are like the same level of player to me, and both could help teams so I dont believe neither will have a market. One will have to go (probably both), so I would definitely look to move Buddy now and possibly Bogi next year.

Hobby916
November 23, 2020 1:18 pm

Match, I think. Once Giannis decides on his extension with the Bucks, there could be a few teams that might inquire about Bogi (Heat, Mavs, Raptors, etc). That might open a window to get something in return as the season rolls on.

Also, it would be very on brand for the Kings to match only to have Bogi continue to have knee problems and reduce his value as the years go on, that is the risk.

andy_sims
November 23, 2020 1:46 pm
Reply to  Hobby916

Milwaukee has seen a number of players already leave the team on deals. At this moment, the Bucks are a demonstrably worse team than they were the past couple of seasons. Signing Bogi would’ve helped the team make a case for Giannis to stay, but unless something significant happens, there’s no way that he’ll lock himself in this early. I definitely wouldn’t assume that he re-signs.

Yakshi
November 23, 2020 1:21 pm

I have a follow up to the topic question. Why aren’t we tanking?

Hobby916
November 23, 2020 1:22 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

We can’t even do that right!

Yakshi
November 23, 2020 1:26 pm
Reply to  Hobby916

Not overtly, of course. But Fox is 22. If McNair’s plan is to surround Fox with players that are his age, how is tanking not an optimal ingredient? Let’s run the floor like maniacs, playing 10+ per night. We get minutes for our draft picks. It’ll be fun to watch, despite the losing. What’s the best route, however unlikely, to a championship?

Yakshi
November 23, 2020 1:28 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

I just don’t see how resigning Bogi helps us tank. We look indecisive.

Henry
November 23, 2020 1:31 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

We absolutely should be tanking. So unless there is an airtight plan to flip Bogi later for Myles Turner or some other young player that fits the timeline, we should not match.

oshima9
November 23, 2020 1:36 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

Yes, and it looks like we are saddling our new GM with the players drafted by the old GM.

RORDOG
November 23, 2020 7:55 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

There’s a difference between fan sentiment and the GM’s intentions.

Hobby916
November 23, 2020 1:28 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

I agree, no more overpaying for role players. Let the young dudes get out and run and take their licks as the season progresses.

1951
November 23, 2020 1:25 pm
Reply to  Yakshi

You think that we are not tanking?

Hmm. All evidence points to the future so far, not next season!

It’s the stealthy tank!

Also, Carmichael Dave said, “trust the process” on twitter and I will never believe otherwise, including his own denials! 😉

bjax1
November 23, 2020 3:42 pm
Reply to  1951

I say let him walk. As fans we tend to overvalue our own players. Is Bogi good? Yeah. But is he good for this team? The answer is , “ummm, not sure.” However, I think its more like, “Umm, not for 18M with a 15% trade kicker! Get the [redacted] outta here!” Good teams let players walk all the time – see Boston and Kyrie and this year, Hayward. So, yeah. Its been fun, but I wish Bogi well.

Otis
November 23, 2020 3:53 pm
Reply to  bjax1

I don’t get too worked up about the trade kicker, one – because it’s 15%, and two – the player can waive it.

NorCalKingsFan
November 23, 2020 8:42 pm
Reply to  bjax1

Good teams let players walk all the time

yes, but not without compensation

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