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Breaking news: Atlanta Hawks submitting an offer sheet on Bogdan Bogdanovic

If Bogdnaovic signs the offer sheet, that's a worst case scenario for the Kings.

According to Sam Amick of The Athletic, the most reliable national reporter when it comes to Sacramento Kings news, the Atlanta Hawks are preparing an offer sheet for restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic:

There are a couple of important distinctions that have yet to be discovered with this news. According to Chris Kirschner, the Hawks beat reporter for The Athletic, the deal will be in the 4-year, $72 million range, but that bit of news doesn't include any details like signing bonuses, annual incentives, or trade kickers. Keep in mind that the Kings will have to match the exact terms of any signed offer sheet to keep Bogi around, and the Hawks will make the deal as unpleasant for the Kings as possible.

Unfortunately for Sacramento, Atlanta has also presevered enough cap space to make that offer to Bogdanovic without having to shed any salary, meaning a sign-and-trade isn't absolutely necessary, although it could still happen. It will be interesting to see if having the Hawks former General Manager on staff will help the Kings in this situation at all.

Once the Hawks do make the official offer to Bogdanovic and his representation, it will be important to note if he actually signs the agreement or if he simply shares the details of the deal with the Kings. If Bogi doesn't officially sign the sheet, he can go back Monte McNair and either allow the Kings to counteroffer, or the Kings and the Hawks can begin negotiations for a sign-and-trade. Conversely, the worst case scenario for Sacramento is for Bogdanovic to sign the offer sheet without speaking to the Kings. In that instance, a sign-and-trade will no longer be an option, as Bogi will have formally signed a contract with another team. The Kigns will be put into the position to either match a $72 million contract for a player they clearly don't see in their future or they'll be forced to allow Bogdanovic to walk away without compensation - neither of which is ideal for a team in Sacramento's position.

A team with cap space sending a large offer sheet to Bogdan Bogdanovic was always Sacramento's biggest fear, and it looks like that's exactly what will happen. Monte McNair has some very important, very tough decisions in front of him over the next 48 hours, the amount of time the Kings are allowed to wait until making a decision on a signed offer sheet.

We'll keep this story updated as news continues to develop.

Update: The Atlanta Hawks have submitted a signed offer sheet to the Kings, meaning a sign-and-trade is no longer an option.

According to Marc Stein of the New York Times, the offer is for 4 years, $72 million and will include a 15% trade kicker, obviously a ploy convince the Kings not to match.

Monte McNair will have 48 hours to either match the exact terms of the sheet or allow Bogdanovic to walk away with no compensation. This will mark the first controversial decision for Sacramento’s new General Manager.

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RobHessing
8 days ago

Absent of any insane contract provisions (trade kickers, etc.), Atl. pick/prospect > Bogi 4/$72m > Capela 3/$51m > nothing.

If there is a poison pill in this contract offer, buckle up, because
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8 days ago
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8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

You were right about the poison pill 😔. But hear me out. If the choice is to match or let him walk, is this 4/72 really that bad? After the contracts Bertans and Beasley got?

and you would think as we improve the team around him, his value would increase as well. My only question is if he actually wants to be here. I can’t see Bogi as the type to destroy chemistry in a locker room.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago

Happy gut-punch Sunday everyone. First Giles, then Bogi, then Baze. Good times.

Dirkula
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

🎼Sunday, Bloody Sunday…🎼

MichaelMack
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Both the Warriors and Blazers have done a good job this offseason building depth to rosters plagued with injury last year. Harry should get a bit of a chance to develop if Collins is out for a while.

ArcoThunder
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

3 guys I wanted back this year all gone on the same day. never expected to retain all 3 even though I held out some hope for that. Dream s dead.

SAD

BestHyperboleEver
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Giles and Bogdan, yes. I don’t have anything but a shrug for “losing” Bazemore.

billoddity
8 days ago

Just because Bazemore wasn’t here as long you’re shrugging. He did something no one else on the team did, he played defense. And wasn’t mind blowing but was consistent on the floor.

BestHyperboleEver
8 days ago
Reply to  billoddity

No, I’m shrugging because I’ve watched Bazemore for years and know who he is. His role and production can be had for close to the minimum by someone with at least a little upside.

kings4ever
8 days ago
Reply to  billoddity

Jefferies plays equal quality defense and does not as many forced shots as Baze.

BeTheBall
7 days ago
Reply to  billoddity

He’s still not a very good player, and not really a loss.

ForKingsandCountry
8 days ago

I gotta be honest, other than simply the sentimentality of Giles being a lovable guy, I don’t think losing either Giles or Bazemore really moves the needle in any meaningful way. Giles was gone the second Vlade screwed up his contract situation and Bazemore is old and hasn’t been very good except for a short stretch at the end of last year. Losing Bogi for nothing would hurt but again, it’s partially on Vlade for not moving him for an asset last year when he should have and whatever exactly happened with the botched S&T with Milwaukee.

kings4ever
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Why is losing Baze a gut punch? The Kings chose DaQuan Jefferies over him and for damn good reason. You are pining over losing a 37% FG shooter who thinks he’s Harden?

Harry cannot stay on the floor because he can’t guard and throws too many risky passes. If he was as good as Kings fan think he is , he would have retrieved more than the minimum.

If you want to do accurate assessment of these players, any player, you need set aside ALL sentimentality.

If you wanted a gut punch that would have been the new GM re-signing these highly fringe non-rotational players, aka Giles and Baze!

As far as Bogi goes, the contract is not prohibitive to us matching, though I wish he signed with the Pacers because they have players I would prefer.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago

I think it is entirely possible that Monte lets him walk and keeps a clean cap sheet. He may plan to role with his 3 rookies getting solid minutes. He’ll evaluate what he has in them, Jeffries, Guy and chalks the season up to development and plans for the 2021 draft. He may shop the expirings of Parker and Nemanja at the deadline while also fielding offers for Buddy and Barnes.

The future is in Fox, Hali and Bagley. I could get behind the strategy because it is playing the long game.

Last edited 8 days ago by Adamsite
HaliComet
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Very smart indeed!

nonstripedzebra
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Thats what I expect as well. Im sure he will do so cursing Vlade’s name for putting him into this situation, but he isn’t going to lock his tenure cap wise to a previous roster. One with already poorly committed money in more then one area.

This isnt on his hands as far as i am concerned. It is just horrendous asset management from the Kings front office prior to his tenure. I feel confident this wont be a problem in the future.

RikSmits
8 days ago

If he did his due diligence he isn’t (or shouldn’t be) cursing Vlade, because he knew exactly what the situation was.

We on the other hand…

freepapagiannis
8 days ago

Vlade put him in situation? He forced leaked trade? He got us bogdan in first place with great trade with Suns! I come to new website to see if people finally get it, but same old dummy dumb clowns. this is ridiculous! What a double standard. This entire thing is a calamity because mcnair doesn’t have clue what he is doing. he is rookie gm failing.

McNair screw up this entire situation. He bomb bogdan’s value and make him sad in failed trade to bucks. ask yourself, if same exact thing with vlade happened, what would you say? You would call him idiot and blame him. why no one care to blame Mcnair? He is already WORSE than vlade. he has literally done nothing but give max to player that never made single all star game. he got lucky with halliburton falling, that was no skill. he ruined bogdan value, he let everyone else walk away, no trades. this is a joke. yet all thse people are defending him? you are embarrassment to kings fan. you so hard on vlade for years and now give new guy free passes left and right?

mcnair is a nobody. do you realize he never even play pro basketball? or college? he was a football player! He is last guy in rockets front office to get job, he is the bottom of barrel. you will be wishing for vlade. vlade was patient and kind. this guy is clown. he let bucks talk about trade to media. that’s what did this.

many times people very mad about stauskus trade. but look in the mirror clowns. mcnair ruined good deal with bucks: DJ Wilson and Donte Villanova. thats basically 2 firsts. that almost exactly what happen with stauskas. even reason for that trade, cap space, is same reason people talk about now with letting bodgan walk for nothing. you idiots jsut want to seem smart, you just want to do what everyone says. just cause mcnair comes from rockets you think he’s smart, but he has absolutely failed in this sitation. to blame vlade is embarassing, it just shows how little you know and how little integrity you have. shame!

if you blame vlade for bodgan, then you better give him credit for finding max player fox, finding the face of the franchise. but no, nobody thank vlade for that.

mcnair will let bodgan walk for nothing and set us back even further. so sad. he is fantastic player. i just hope that people will see that letting him walk for nothing is worse case scenario. saving cap space? lol. since when does that work. we must match bodgan and get him back on board. literally him not even playing for months would have more value than nothing. or else we are even further back.

Hobby916
8 days ago

uh, okay…

BuffaloDiaspora
8 days ago

Well, I guess we know Vlade’s TKH handle

TheBufferZone
8 days ago

“I’m gonna need you to stop talking for awhile. Maybe take the next few plays off.”

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RikSmits
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Absolutely.

But losing an asset as Bogi for nothing is not ideal.

L-Train3.1
7 days ago
Reply to  RikSmits

I think we have to match this.

ForKingsandCountry
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Yeah I don’t love the idea of losing Bogi for nothing but at the end of the day I’m not sure it matters because we are not on a timeline where he is going to help us a whole lot.

AirmaxPG
7 days ago

For me it is simple asset management. We are seeing Bogi’s value around the league right now. He has had several suitors. Including playoff teams (Pacers) and championship contenders (Bucks).

Maybe we disagree on this point, but I don’t see that level of interest for Buddy.

So we can match $18m/yr (or about $3m/yr less than Buddy), or we can lose that asset for nothing. ..Cap space? Who could the Kings use that space on that is better than Bogi? Last free agent we signed in that range was George Hill. That turned out well.

Match the offer, then shop Buddy. Or Barnes. Bottom line is Bogi at that Schlenk contract is better than the heist Buddy’s and Barnes’ agent pulled over on Vlade.

Brown.says.Good.or.Bad
Reply to  Adamsite

This is good

L-Train3.1
7 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Very good points, but I cringe at Paper Bagley being the future.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago

Wow…the minimum.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

As expected. If Sacramento wanted to keep him, they would have.

8 days ago

No that’s 100% the other way. He didn’t want to be here. Neither does Buddy, Bogdan, and Bazemore (who the Kings certainly made an offer and probably offered more than the Ws). Because he was a nice and fun kid, Kings fans talked themselves into a few things on a few fronts with Giles. His reps made it clear Friday, anywhere but here was their plan. The offers weren’t great, so he took the best one that wasn’t here.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago
Reply to  4on5

You don’t think he would have stuck around here on a 1 year deal that was twice what Portland paid him? Especially given that the front office that ostensibly wronged him was fired? I highly, highly doubt it. Particularly since his path to playing time isn’t much better in Portland.

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8 days ago

On Friday, he had his agent announce, without a non-minimum offer in hand, that he was signing literally anywhere but here. What happened and why is pretty clear.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago
Reply to  4on5

unless I missed something, you’re wrongly assuming that was Giles’s unilateral decision.

8 days ago

The Stockholm Syndrome level process of some Kings fans pivoting right from: (1) this player has upside and a lot of value; to (2) the Kings correctly decided he was not worth a minimum offer days before free agency opened it really something.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago
Reply to  4on5

You’ll have to take that particular criticism elsewhere. I’ve been on record here and on the old site repeatedly as saying the criticism of Vlade for declining this option was way overblown ever since it happened. I never thought he was worth $4 million this season. Maybe if you thought he’d develop into consistent rotation player, it would have been justifiable to keep him under team control for a couple more years to see if he pans out. As much as I love his personality and effort, I just don’t see it with him.

RobHessing
8 days ago

Agreed – you can’t beat internet psychoanalysis, especially when a healthy dose of conflating is sprinkled in.

RORDOG
8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I am curious to find out what happened with Giles though. I asked a question in the chainmail last week about why everyone in the media seemed so certain Giles was gone since it didn’t seem like his contract would be the issue. It now looks like either Giles or McNair just decided to go in a different direction.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Sometimes a clean break is best for everyone.

RobHessing
8 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

My guess is that the organization not picking up his $3.9m option was a deal breaker for him.

ForKingsandCountry
8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Agreed. I’m not sure Vlade being gone really mattered. The option wasn’t picked up so he wanted to go elsewhere. And why wouldn’t he? Why the hell would anyone voluntarily choose to stay with this organization?

RORDOG
8 days ago
Reply to  4on5

How do you it wasn’t just that McNair told Giles agent they were going in a different direction?

MichaelMack
8 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

because that, whilst likely, does not fit into the narrative he has constructed

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  MichaelMack

Harry was in no way shape or form at fault for any of his issue’s. It was all Vlade, all the Kings org.

He signed for the minimum to be a 4th big in PDX’s rotation. That doesn’t scream incredible opportunity to me. I’m rooting for Harry, but his ability to impact a team at this point is far from certain.

The Kings have enough other things going on. Adding a project in his 4th year just doesn’t seem to be the best way to go for all parties. Harry might figure it out, he might not. But he’s better off in PDX for every reason imaginable starting with he’ll be playing with an established veteran group that won’t tolerate his dumb mistakes. Harry needs that.

I’m rooting for Harry, but I hardly see this as major news if it weren’t for the fact that Harry were so popular with the fanbase.

freepapagiannis
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Given final contract that giles get, even after decent flashes this year, it seems entire league agree with vlade he not worth $4mm. he just saw it before everyone else because he has eye for talent. giles is great guy with great energy, but he has major injury issues and was not able to grow in way he need to show value of multi year deal. wish him best in portland, but idea that vlade make mistake has been proven wrong with final deal he sign.

ForKingsandCountry
8 days ago

I don’t think he would have stuck around at all for any reason.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago

The best way to put lipstick on this pig, IMO FK&C, is I’m happy for Harry and hope he does well in Portand. But I’m not sure Harry takes the Blazers’ offer if the Kings offer him 3.9 million. He doesn’t have that much money made in his career to turn that down.

Last edited 8 days ago by Kingsguru21
ForKingsandCountry
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

That’s true but honestly if I were in his shoes I might be thinking that I’ve got faith in my own abilities and they will shine through for a competent organization so I need to go anywhere but here. Maybe I’m wrong but I just think we tend to underestimate how big of an impact not picking up a player’s option has on their feelings towards the organization whether the FO who made the decision is still in place or not.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago

I’m not underestimating it at all. But when you’re talking about the difference of 2.5 million dollars for a guy who has made all of 6.5 million dollars his entire career, I don’t think you automatically turn that down because of hurt feelings.

That said, I don’t think Monte was going to bring him back.

ForKingsandCountry
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I’m certainly open to the idea that it’s a little of A and a little of B. It’s possible Mcnair didn’t want him back and I have a feeling Harry isn’t too sad to be leaving either.

Kingsguru21
7 days ago

Well said FK&C. I think it’s a fresh start/clean break for everyone.

I think it’s because of Walton. If he wasn’t the coach then they’d all be staying this year, he’s an extension of Vlade.

TXKingsfan
8 days ago

So…who wants to be the one to tell Monte Free Agency has started?

AirmaxPG
8 days ago

Match the offer. Trade Buddy. That is all.

Gregoryl
8 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

This^

ArcoThunder
8 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

match!!!!!!!

Then trade Budddy to Atlanta.

Socalpurplecurse
8 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

The problem with this is Buddies low value right now, and keeping bobo wont help increase that value either weve seen that story play out. Unfortunately this is all collateral damage by Vlade. He had suiters for bobo when he could have sold high at the trade deadline and chose not too. Now unfortunately with the presumed trade kicker attached to bobo we lose him for nothing and it falls on Vlade. Now Buddy has a chance to rebuild his value as a starter so we can net picks and assets for him at the trade deadline.

freepapagiannis
8 days ago

Sounds like you one of thse people who want to tank. at deadline we try to still make playoffs. we wanted to have fox buddy and bogie as backcourt going forward. it was smart not to trade him, and if anything vlade very smart about it cause bucks still interested.

mcnair completely fumbled this entire situation. he rushes to made agreement with bucks, and then doesnt understand rules and everything explodes to nothing. complete mismanage. that is what this is. why you so scared to acknowledge that he is in charge and he made the mistakes? blame vlade is like blaming your ex gf who you broke up with for never getting action. you seem like person who understands never getting action,

Vlade is that you?

SacReligious
7 days ago

Vlade’s English is better.

jswilliams37
7 days ago

You do know that the Bucks were the ones who leaked the trade and is therefore not on McNair.

richie88
7 days ago
Reply to  jswilliams37

It was probably BB8’s agent who leaked the trade, not the Bucks or Kings.

AirmaxPG
8 days ago

I think we can get decent value for Hield still. Maybe a pick/ prospect and filler. I don’t think his value will increase much (if at all) the more he plays under Walton.

Much better than letting Bogi walk. Bogdan is better, and now we know he is also slightly cheaper than Buddy. And he comes without the prima Donna baggage.

No brainer in my opinion to match the offer. We are not getting a better player than Bogi for $18m in free agency. Maybe the next George Hill?

BabalooMagoo
8 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

Or…match the offer and start Bogi. Buddy signed a contract and right or wrong the team has the right to play him wherever they want. Buddy can be sixth man. It didn’t hurt Bobby Jackson.

MyNeighborTurturro
8 days ago

I still don’t think this is a great move by ATL, given Kevin Huerter’s age and incredibly similar numbers.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago

I don’t either. Either they are just desperate to add some talent, or they think he’ll have value on that contract. Really don’t know which it is.

Peja
8 days ago

Atlanta smells like a team rushing to get into the playoffs. They are using all their cap space to get a 5th or 6th seed in the east to get knocked out by a sound defensive team in the first round.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago

I’m a bit surprised to. Huerter is not going to get a whole lot of minutes with the addition of Dunn, Rondo, and now Bogi. They are already loaded at the wings with Hunter and Reddish.

RobHessing
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Respectfully disagree. They’ve added guys at roughly fair value and held onto to all of their young prospects. They’re better, and they’re deeper.

I don’t see an albatross deal on their cap sheet.

Adamsite
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8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I agree they have a very nice cap sheet, I just wonder about their rotations with their new additions. They’ve added Rodno, Dunn, Gallo, Snell and now Bogi and I think they may be doing their youth and Huerter, Hunter, and Reddish a disservice at the expense of trying to win now.

RobHessing
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I think that being 10-11 deep in this coming season is a very, very good thing.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I think they are giving Huerter Hunter and Reddish a chance at actually earning minutes as opposed to just giving it to them. That’s not a bad thing.

rockbottom
8 days ago

Huerter can play one position and a likely career backup at that spot ! Bogi much more valuable for several years !

Adamsite
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8 days ago
Reply to  rockbottom

Huerter just turned 22, can shoot from deep and is a willing passer. I think he will be in the league for the next 12 years and will be a very good piece on winning teams.

KingofNOthing
8 days ago

Eh, not really a Bogi Fan at all. He has 1 great game, then 2 disappointing games.

He didn`t rest his body when he was dealing with injury and played with his country team in the offseason.

He never had any loyalty to the kings anyway.

RAP87
8 days ago

Ehh if the contract is too expensive and has a lots of provisions that would make it impossible to match then just let Bogi walk. I understand that we should keep an asset and trade him soon but with that type of provisions (I assume there will be) it almost becomes a negative asset in the long run rather than a positive.

Might as well have a clean slate rather than tying up more money that could affect our flexibility moving forward. Mcnair has talked a lot about having flexibility so I wouldn’t be surprised if he let Bogi walk.. Just roll with our rookies and see what we have, get a top 5 pick in 2021 and call it a day.

Let’s face it, this team ain’t making the playoffs this season. Might as well have a clean cap moving forward.

BuffaloDiaspora
8 days ago
Reply to  RAP87

I am 100% in agreement – just let him walk, keep the cap clean, see if the new FO can patch things up with Buddy.

RAP87
8 days ago
Reply to  RAP87

Just found out about the updated details on Bogi’s contract. A 15% trade kicker in his 4th year. Idk, I might actually want to match it. Having Bogi at 18 million per year is not that bad compared to Buddy. I might just keep Bogdan and find a way to trade Buddy during the season or next.

Looking at the details of the contract it actually ain’t that bad as I imagined.

NorCalKingsFan
8 days ago
Reply to  RAP87

When I saw 4/72, my first thought was simple, match it!

It’s right at the edge of what I thought they should pay to retain him and compared to other deals in the league, its absolutely fair.

Either trade Buddy, both, or keep both into next year and decide where to go after a reset. He is still an asset at that price and Bogi is a player that could always be traded after next year if necessary.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago

Details:

RobHessing
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

If I can’t get a prospect or pick, I match, and look at dealing Hield or Bogi (or both, depending on what I can get in return) at the trade deadline. It’s asset management, and I think that Bogi at 4/$72m is a better asset than nothing.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I agree. Match, move Buddy and go from there. The Kings are not going to find value replacement for Bogi in free agency or the current trade market. The only guy who comes close is Huerter, but ATL has no incentive to S&T.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I agree. I wonder if McNair has been trying to deal Hield. I think those efforts would be relevant for ascertaining the trade market for BB (a player of roughly similar overall value) at this salary range. Maybe, if the response to Hield proposals has been, “LOL, only if you take Horford back,” I can understand McNair not wanting to add another salary in this range that is unlikely to return positive assets in a trade.

RobHessing
8 days ago

My guess is not so much “deal” as “listen to all offers.” My perverted wish is that this team stumble out of the blocks this season, leading to a deadline purge that sees expiring contracts and prospects/picks come back in return. But with the play-in now confirmed at 10 teams, I could see McNair getting pressure to leave it alone if the Kings are within sniffing distance come the trade deadline.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I think the problem is that if the team is a tire fire, that probably means Hield and Barnes are doing a lot to help their trade value.

nonstripedzebra
8 days ago

I just dont see how Buddy is tradable. And the logic of retaining is hyperly reliant on that being plausible. And Bogi likely has a trade kicker in this offer sheet. If that is the framework to justify this retention it has to come with a big slice of what if.

Maybe in a years time post a Buddy drop in salary (2nd year drops to 20). But by that point it is more than plausible he will be grossly overvalued, let alone a understood malcontent. And a deal will likely be structured with the Kings eating some poor salary in that hypothetical as well.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago

Plausible. I personally don’t see Hield as being outrageously overpaid and as such I find it difficult to believe he’s untradeable, but some analysts (like Danny Leroux) strongly disagree.

AmphibiousHandle
8 days ago

That said, Leroux just wrote that BB’s offer sheet is a reasonable one which the Kings should match, so maybe I’m just off base in my premise that he and Hield are even roughly equivalent talents.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago

Most people are of the opinion that the Kings should match this Bogi deal.

I’m personally of the opinion that it’s time to let go and mostly at this point I’m tipping my cap to the Atl FO for doing a smart thing. They played their cards perfectly for Bogi.

nonstripedzebra
8 days ago

Thats very interesting. Few are smarter than Leroux. Objectively I hve no argument the deal is fair, removed of prior commitments. And iits a grey zone just generally, far more granular a decision than most. And similarly my thoughts on Buddy dictate my perceptions as well.

I would say what appears true in relation to Buddy’s trade market, he has no apparent suitors. I think it’s safe to say year 1 will be very hard to move based on the frontloaded nature of the structure. Not just in evaluations of Buddy but functionally. Thus the overlap of the Fox extension is likely. And in the picking up Bogi’s deal, now McNair is trade hunting with players not his own, that are older than his priorities. The competitiveness of this team would be made in the margins. Personally because of the corner we put ourselves in I dont think it would be my first choice to sign up for that.

i can think of a myriad of sensible ways we couldnt have been in that situation but thats not the case.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago

What we are seeing here IMO, Zebra, is the reality of how much one person’s decision doesn’t just stop at the time of the decision, but really plays out over a much longer term. We’re really not going to find out much about Monte at all until at least a couple years down the road into this thing.

He’s just cleaning up Vlade’s mess…..and that’s SOP for new GM’s on the job. They don’t get opportunities that are tailor made, they get the opportunities that come…usually with poorly run franchises.

I’ll say this: If Monte made this decision based on the public reaction, that I’m going to struggle with. You just can’t run a franchise in public no matter how much the fans believe you can.

freepapagiannis
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

What mess? We have roster that was right in the mix for playoffs with upside. now we back to bottom because he doesnt know what he’s doing. you give him couple years? wow. what a double standard. when vlade make mistakes year one where were you? exactly.

Want2win
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21
You just can’t run a franchise in public no matter how much the fans believe you can

that sir is a great statement, and 100% accurate

nonstripedzebra
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Couldn’t agree more. And even with this issue on Monte’s hands there is reason for optimism on both his and our parts. This in itself is a murky decision, one I can say I feel less assured by in my own thoughts oon it, than in past ones of a similar vein.

But as you say decisions made now dictate future options available. And in this case the needle hole I would argue because of an avoidance pertaining these players in the past forces a narrowing of the future regardless. If thats worth it is tough to say. As you say thats Monte’s job.

rockbottom
8 days ago

Tough to improve losing assets and counting on unproven draft picks !

RORDOG
8 days ago

I think I’m fine with letting him walk. Fox has essentially given his blessing on them not really even trying to compete this upcoming season. If the Kings can find a way to move off of Barnes/Buddy without taking back too much future money, then the Kings will go into next offseason with a ton of cap space, and a high draft pick to work with.

MichaelMack
8 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I am fine with letting him walk as well. Its disappointing the market didnt allow us a chance for a sign and trade, but at this point, Halliburton is a younger and cheaper version of Bogi, and will likely be better than him in the 21-22 season. I think Buddy is more valuable to the Kings currently as well as a much more dangerous shooter than BB, and I think he is a better asset moving forward than Bogi as well, as his contract declines and his shooting is still elite, we can move him for whatever we need as we see how Fox, Bagley, and Haliburton develop.

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freepapagiannis
8 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Letting walk for nothing would be the worst outcome. he has good value on that deal, even if he is just same player. can at least get something at trade deadline. cap space has little value for us, we can’t get anyone who is good deal, only overpays.

Reply to  RORDOG

With the draft odds right now, we’ll be getting at least the 7th or 8th pick even if we tank hard. No sense tanking these days, it’s much better to play hard and get the new guys some reps. 2021 Draft has some killer prospects ready to play at a high level.

8 days ago

or they’ll be forced to allow Bogdanovic to walk away without compensation

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ArcoThunder
8 days ago

Theres only one correct answer here.

Match and then trade Buddy. Do it now, Do it in 6 months or do it in a year. Preferably now.

Inthestarz
8 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Buddy is better

20/5/3, excellent splits, work ethic

Bogdan is inconsistent and did nothing as a starter

they’ve probably been trying to trade Buddy too, his market is down with the benching

HaliComet
8 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

Buddy cannot stay in front of an eighth grader on defense.

RobHessing
8 days ago
Reply to  HaliComet

He is an elite, elite volume deep shooter. In the right situation he would win his position on most nights.

I understand that Hield’s personality grates on folks, and he is far from a perfect player. But in today’s NBA, he indeed has value. In fact, it could be argued that he is closer to the top of his position right now than anyone else on the Kings roster.

nonstripedzebra
8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

IDK, The way I see it, he is being payed almost 25 million dollars next year and is in his prime. To exploit those skillsets given those priors, you likely have to be a competitive situation. And if you are in a competitive situation I fail to see how that is a) a good use of your cap, or b) that the defense factor isnt a major major caveat.

I think in 2 years halfway through a deal that does decline, possibly. But I fail to see many a team a whose current books in combination with their cap agreements warrants the interest, and in turn puts the Kings in an improved situation post a trade (ala not mostly a salary dump in return). I would argue the lack of interest suggests as much.

Adamsite
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8 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

What I fear is Bogi walks and Buddy, still feeling disgruntled, demands a trade in the coming months. Then the Kings are really screwed.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Buddy mouth’s off. It’s what he does. But if you take Bogi out of the mix and he continues to mouth off, you probably are screwed. At some point though, there has to be disincentive for Buddy mouthing off and I haven’t seen that yet.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

The fact the he reportedly won’t return Walton’s calls is disturbing.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Eh, it is what it is.

154-98
8 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Maybe Luke invited him to his hotel room?

(Too soon perhaps)

nonstripedzebra
8 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

At this point there are no indications that Buddy is attractive to anyone in the league. I get this is the most ideal hypothetical but if I were another team I would have little to no interest. Especially when he is seeking more competitive situation it only becomes more unlikely. And so far not even one credible rumor has circulated.

IDK I just cant justify actions inherently reliant on other teams to appear feasible longterm. That in itself makes the plausibility of such future deals unlikely as everyone would be aware of the Kings would be restrictions.

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2CanDan
8 days ago

Use the 48 hours to see if Knicks will give anything worthwhile for B H? Matching saves us 4 M per year at SG position and whatever NY would give. Only a year older than Buddy and started over Buddy

billoddity
8 days ago

If I didn’t dislike Hield so much I’d be more ok letting Bogdonovic leave.

NinjaFetus
8 days ago

I’m okay with not matching, but would’ve liked to have seen if a S&T could’ve been worked out at least. Seems like Bogi (and a few other guys) are really wanting to stick it to the Kings this offseason.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago

Some “things”. This thread started before the news of the trade kicker (which isn’t insignificant) surfaced along with what I’m assuming is an ETO (but could be a straight player opt out– it matters little which option it is in reality) for the 4th season.

If the Kings match, as already has been pointed out by me on Twitter, by others, and by Tim, the Kings can’t just trade Bogi at the trade deadline. He has a full no trade clause until whenever the next offseason is (July, August, whenever). Bogi can’t be traded to Atlanta for at least the upcoming season. Additionally, because of the 15% trade kicker, it will cost the Kings 20.7 million to trade Bogi assuming he has a flat salary over all 4 seasons. Plus that will raise his salary across the board to 20.7 million so any team acquiring Bogi has him for that number instead of the 18 million the offer sheet starts out as.

Now. Is that worth retaining an asset for? That depends. Bobby Marks and Nate Jones and numerous writers here at TKH think so. But with all due respect to al of those folks (and I’m not throwing shade at any of them), it’s not their decision. It’s ultimately ownership and Monte McNair’s. And it’s not a simple decision if you take money out of the equation. (I’m not ready to go there yet. We’ll see how this decision is handled. And what the narrative coming from Sac is.)

First, you are tying up about 16.5% of your cap in Bogi himself. Just Bogi. Not De’Aaron, not Bagley, Buddy or Barnes, just Bogi. You can’t do anything about Buddy Hield or Harrison Barnes deals, but they aren’t that much more expensive than Bogi is. There is one major differnce between them and Bogi though: They actually play a lot more minutes as annoying as that is to many around here and in the fanbase.

Now here’s the ‘what if’ portion of this. IF you knew what you could get for return for Bogi at 20.7 million, and IF you knew when you could get that return, and IF you thought that was worth 20.7 million you do so. But let’s start with Atlanta. Is Kevin Huerter really worth that? Your mileage may vary on that one. I love Huerter’s game….but I don’t know if he’s worth hanging onto Bogi for a year and a 20.7 million price tag. What I don’t know is how Bogi is really valued around the NBA at this point. I’ve seen opinions on that value, but I rarely put a ton of stock into that sort of thing. That’s as much gamesmanship (like trying to torpedo the Bucks supposed S&T) as anything.

I know one thing. This was the worst case scenario for Sacramento and it just played out. I’m not really sure which way I lean because I’m not really entirely sure what Bogdan Bogdanovich’s real value around the NBA is especially since now that deal has effectively jumped in value 250%. That’s a lot of cheddar, and assuming the Kings weren’t cash poor and money wasn’t an issue I’m not sure I’m willing to commit that kind of money.

There is, however, optics to consider. On one hand you can move on scot free and say your hands were tied. (This is what I think ultimately happens.) lt was a decision you couldn’t really do a lot about. You were put there. There’s also the optics of not retaining an asset for what is deemed a reasonable price. There’s also the issue of how you deal with NBA agents even if Bogi’s agent is very shady (and it seems this is the case) beyond Tuesday. Plus you have the existing roster dynamics, particularly with Buddy Hield, to also consider.

There’s a lot to consider here, and while I’m not really a fan of any of the options, ultimately I think the best decision Monte can make is probably to let Bogi walk. I’m not a fan of losing an asset for nothing, but experience has taught me that is often overstated in what it means to a franchise. You keep a player….and then ultimately what comes back when you do trade that player isn’t nearly as much as you’d hope.

A tough decision to be sure, and I don’t think there’s a simple solution here. The only thing that I’m really hoping for is that it comes out that ultimately Monte wanted to match Bogi but couldn’t do due to ownership’s insistence to keep costs down. But this was a challenging decision from the start that was always likely to not go the Kings way and that’s ultimately what happened. I think if anything you have to look at Atlanta and their FO with Travis Schlenk and that crew really did their homework here. There was no leverage here with Sacramento outside of saying that they would absolutely match any offer that came Bogi’s way which I don’t think any franchise should do unless it’s a superstar level player…and if it gets to that you’re probably screwed anyway. Bogi ain’t that kind of player.

I personally think Buddy Hield is more valuable than Bogdan Bogdanovich even though Bogi doesn’t tick a lot of people off and has a more aesthetically pleasing game. And if I have to go through all of that and come away with a valuation of players and opportunity cost, and I know that there’s a ton wrong with my roster and Bogi isn’t ultimately that much of a needle mover, I’m letting Bogi walk. But that’s splitting hairs and ultimately I’m really 50-50.

But either way, ultimately this wasn’t really Monte McNair and the FO’s call. They had their hands tied no matter how much national and/or local criticism they will get if they let Bogi walk for being cheap, not properly prioritizing assets, etc etc. But given all the real options the Kings have, I think you let Bogi go. It’s tough to do, but that’s what running franchises is ultimately about. Making the tough call with the big picture in mind. It’s just the reality of having a crappy option is all this is really been about.

(Tole u it was going to be insufferably long.)

ForeverKANGZ
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Well said. A tough situation, and ultimately I think they will value flexibility more and let him walk.

Watching Halliburton highlights makes me feel better about this.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  ForeverKANGZ

I’m uncomfortable with betting on Halliburton to take over for Bogi immediately….but if I’m the Kings it’s a security blanket I didn’t know I’d have even a week ago. It makes moving on from Bogi a lot easier IMO.

I purposely left Tyrese Halliburton out of that comment as he hasn’t played a single NBA game yet, but I think it makes moving on from Bogi and making a justification on how you do so easier.

I have no doubt of Bogi’s value as an 8.5 million player, but at a 20.7 million price tag that calculation changes dramatically. And I’d rather let Bogi walk and bet on Rese than ultimately twiddle my thumbs plus having to deal with Buddy’s temper tantrums on top of that (whom I’m not getting fair value in trade right now). It is what it is.

That’s why Monte gets the big bucks!

NinjaFetus
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Great write up of the situation!

Buddy and Bogi, while both technically SG’s, are very different in their skill sets and personality. With the current styles Buddy is valued more when effectively used even if you think Bogi is more well rounded, jack of all trades but master of none basically. Buddy is already signed so with Bogi the only choice really is to let him walk. This might help with dealing with Buddy too, but who knows.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  NinjaFetus

This is an excellent summary of the issue with Buddy and Bogi.

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

The only thing that I’m really hoping for is that it comes out that ultimately Monte wanted to match Bogi but couldn’t do due to ownership’s insistence to keep costs down.

Ugh. Didn’t see this typo. I meant to say “The only thing I’m really NOT hoping for”….I don’t want finances to be the reason Bogi walks in otherwords.

Dirkula
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Glad you caught that as it was the only thing I disagreed with. Excellent post Guru 💪🏻

Kingsguru21
7 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

Thanks Dirk!

HoustonJP
8 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Excellent identification of the issues.

I don’t envy Monte for the next three or four days. However, fans of the Kings that watched the last two seasons know the organization made a huge mistake hiring Walton first and then letting him change the teams identity from a running team to whatever his sets were last year. Really absurd. That was the organizations second original sin.

Without belaboring the Walton issue, if they are going to let Bogdan walk then I wish they would just also cut ties with Walton. Doesn’t make sense not to. Bogdan and Buddy are not the cause, just the flash points.

If Monte is starting over, hell, let’s just start over for real rather than a fake re-set.

ForeverKANGZ
8 days ago
Reply to  HoustonJP

Word! Lose Walton must go!

Kingsguru21
8 days ago
Reply to  HoustonJP

Thanks JP! Much appreciated. Glad to see you’re still around.

I’m going to disagree about Walton, but that’s more of a red herring issue. I don’t think hiring Gregg Popovich or Erik Spoelstra or whomever makes that much of a difference here. Certainly not with this roster however it ends up being constructed.

I’m not a fan of Luke Walton, not claiming I am. But I think there’s a lot of issue’s with this roster and if and when there’s an opportunity to get an improvement there you take it. But as of today, I don’t see that opportunity.

HoustonJP
7 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Kingsguru,

I can’t disagree with anything you said. Your analysis of the issues is really good.

Let me state my point another way. The Kings won 39 games and really could have won 41+ When the playoffs became unreachable, and they did it with an up tempo team. The organization fires the coach and then hires a coach that thinks he has half a season of grace and honeymoon goodwill to experiment with the style of the teams play and lineups.

In the process he asks one of the elite 3 point dead eye shooters in the league to play a role that does not fit his skill set, which saps his confidence and then he takes him out of the starting lineup, which seems to blame the player for the coaches blunder in my minds-eye.

I think a Spoelstra or Pop would not have put Buddy in a role which exposed him and the team to below par performance. I am probably splitting hairs. I don’t mean to start a fire Walton post. If the team deems it better to let Bogdan walk then it ought to also consider letting the coach that took over an ascending team and turned them into a rebuilding team.

Just get on with it, if it’s to be a rebuild, let’s do it with a coach that when the roster improves knows what he is doing in terms of coaching to his players skills, and get that coach some assets.

I think your post is excellent. I don’t want to take the long nap before the Kings are back in the playoffs.

As you say, the team has roster issues. It hurts all of us to see a good player like Bogdan walk when what we really need is more players like him. The Kings draft of versatile players is my evidence.

If he walks I hope they are considering letting the coach go also.

Kingsguru21
7 days ago
Reply to  HoustonJP

Hey JP, I don’t want you to take the long nap anytime soon either! We need more of your perspective around here, not less!

Spo and Pop were bad examples in the sense that I understand Buddy was put in a bad position to succeed in many ways, but that’s sometimes what happens when you don’t have your best player for a big chunk of the season.

I don’t really think the Kings need to tank, tank, tank. They have useful young players with the opportunity to get another in ’21. Plus, growth from De’Aaron and Marvin especially.

I don’t think I would fire Walton because a team in transitional nature still needs a coach. Maybe if things are looking up and you really are confident Luke Walton is holding this roster back you fire him next spring when things hopefully have a rosier outlook around the world. Including here!

But at this point, I think firing Walton is basically burning money and adding losses to another coaches record. I think in a year this roster will be a lot more attractive to better coaches. That’s what I’m hoping for, anyway.

MichaelMack
8 days ago
Reply to  HoustonJP

Nice to see you commenting JP, your contributions are always interesting. Hope all is well.

HoustonJP