According to Sam Amick of The Athletic, the most reliable national reporter when it comes to Sacramento Kings news, the Atlanta Hawks are preparing an offer sheet for restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic:
Here's my sourced sense: The Hawks wouldn't be doing this if they didn't feel very, very good about how this ends up. https://t.co/YnOSRAZtUf
— Sam Amick (@sam_amick) November 22, 2020
There are a couple of important distinctions that have yet to be discovered with this news. According to Chris Kirschner, the Hawks beat reporter for The Athletic, the deal will be in the 4-year, $72 million range, but that bit of news doesn’t include any details like signing bonuses, annual incentives, or trade kickers. Keep in mind that the Kings will have to match the exact terms of any signed offer sheet to keep Bogi around, and the Hawks will make the deal as unpleasant for the Kings as possible.
Unfortunately for Sacramento, Atlanta has also presevered enough cap space to make that offer to Bogdanovic without having to shed any salary, meaning a sign-and-trade isn’t absolutely necessary, although it could still happen. It will be interesting to see if having the Hawks former General Manager on staff will help the Kings in this situation at all.
Once the Hawks do make the official offer to Bogdanovic and his representation, it will be important to note if he actually signs the agreement or if he simply shares the details of the deal with the Kings. If Bogi doesn’t officially sign the sheet, he can go back Monte McNair and either allow the Kings to counteroffer, or the Kings and the Hawks can begin negotiations for a sign-and-trade. Conversely, the worst case scenario for Sacramento is for Bogdanovic to sign the offer sheet without speaking to the Kings. In that instance, a sign-and-trade will no longer be an option, as Bogi will have formally signed a contract with another team. The Kigns will be put into the position to either match a $72 million contract for a player they clearly don’t see in their future or they’ll be forced to allow Bogdanovic to walk away without compensation – neither of which is ideal for a team in Sacramento’s position.
A team with cap space sending a large offer sheet to Bogdan Bogdanovic was always Sacramento’s biggest fear, and it looks like that’s exactly what will happen. Monte McNair has some very important, very tough decisions in front of him over the next 48 hours, the amount of time the Kings are allowed to wait until making a decision on a signed offer sheet.
We’ll keep this story updated as news continues to develop.
Update: The Atlanta Hawks have submitted a signed offer sheet to the Kings, meaning a sign-and-trade is no longer an option.
Source tells @TheAthletic the Hawks' signed offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic is four years, $72 million (as @ChrisKirschner reported earlier). There's a player option in the fourth year. Again, Kings have 48 hours to decide.
— Sam Amick (@sam_amick) November 22, 2020
According to Marc Stein of the New York Times, the offer is for 4 years, $72 million and will include a 15% trade kicker, obviously a ploy convince the Kings not to match.
Bogdan Bogdanovic has signed his four-year offer sheet worth $72 million from the Atlanta Hawks, league sources say
The deal, I'm told, includes a player option in Year 4 and 15-percent trade kicker for the restricted free agent
The Kings will have 48 hours to match
— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) November 22, 2020
Monte McNair will have 48 hours to either match the exact terms of the sheet or allow Bogdanovic to walk away with no compensation. This will mark the first controversial decision for Sacramento’s new General Manager.
Absent of any insane contract provisions (trade kickers, etc.), Atl. pick/prospect > Bogi 4/$72m > Capela 3/$51m > nothing.
If there is a poison pill in this contract offer, buckle up, because
You were right about the poison pill ð. But hear me out. If the choice is to match or let him walk, is this 4/72 really that bad? After the contracts Bertans and Beasley got?
and you would think as we improve the team around him, his value would increase as well. My only question is if he actually wants to be here. I can’t see Bogi as the type to destroy chemistry in a locker room.
Happy gut-punch Sunday everyone. First Giles, then Bogi, then Baze. Good times.
ð¼Sunday, Bloody Sunday…ð¼
Both the Warriors and Blazers have done a good job this offseason building depth to rosters plagued with injury last year. Harry should get a bit of a chance to develop if Collins is out for a while.
3 guys I wanted back this year all gone on the same day. never expected to retain all 3 even though I held out some hope for that. Dream s dead.
SAD
Giles and Bogdan, yes. I don’t have anything but a shrug for losing Bazemore.
Just because Bazemore wasn’t here as long you’re shrugging. He did something no one else on the team did, he played defense. And wasn’t mind blowing but was consistent on the floor.
No, I’m shrugging because I’ve watched Bazemore for years and know who he is. His role and production can be had for close to the minimum by someone with at least a little upside.
Jefferies plays equal quality defense and does not as many forced shots as Baze.
He’s still not a very good player, and not really a loss.
I gotta be honest, other than simply the sentimentality of Giles being a lovable guy, I don’t think losing either Giles or Bazemore really moves the needle in any meaningful way. Giles was gone the second Vlade screwed up his contract situation and Bazemore is old and hasn’t been very good except for a short stretch at the end of last year. Losing Bogi for nothing would hurt but again, it’s partially on Vlade for not moving him for an asset last year when he should have and whatever exactly happened with the botched S&T with Milwaukee.
Why is losing Baze a gut punch? The Kings chose DaQuan Jefferies over him and for damn good reason. You are pining over losing a 37% FG shooter who thinks he’s Harden?
Harry cannot stay on the floor because he can’t guard and throws too many risky passes. If he was as good as Kings fan think he is , he would have retrieved more than the minimum.
If you want to do accurate assessment of these players, any player, you need set aside ALL sentimentality.
If you wanted a gut punch that would have been the new GM re-signing these highly fringe non-rotational players, aka Giles and Baze!
As far as Bogi goes, the contract is not prohibitive to us matching, though I wish he signed with the Pacers because they have players I would prefer.
I think it is entirely possible that Monte lets him walk and keeps a clean cap sheet. He may plan to role with his 3 rookies getting solid minutes. He’ll evaluate what he has in them, Jeffries, Guy and chalks the season up to development and plans for the 2021 draft. He may shop the expirings of Parker and Nemanja at the deadline while also fielding offers for Buddy and Barnes.
The future is in Fox, Hali and Bagley. I could get behind the strategy because it is playing the long game.
Very smart indeed!
Thats what I expect as well. Im sure he will do so cursing Vlade’s name for putting him into this situation, but he isn’t going to lock his tenure cap wise to a previous roster. One with already poorly committed money in more then one area.
This isnt on his hands as far as i am concerned. It is just horrendous asset management from the Kings front office prior to his tenure. I feel confident this wont be a problem in the future.
If he did his due diligence he isn’t (or shouldn’t be) cursing Vlade, because he knew exactly what the situation was.
We on the other hand…
Vlade put him in situation? He forced leaked trade? He got us bogdan in first place with great trade with Suns! I come to new website to see if people finally get it, but same old dummy dumb clowns. this is ridiculous! What a double standard. This entire thing is a calamity because mcnair doesn’t have clue what he is doing. he is rookie gm failing.
McNair screw up this entire situation. He bomb bogdan’s value and make him sad in failed trade to bucks. ask yourself, if same exact thing with vlade happened, what would you say? You would call him idiot and blame him. why no one care to blame Mcnair? He is already WORSE than vlade. he has literally done nothing but give max to player that never made single all star game. he got lucky with halliburton falling, that was no skill. he ruined bogdan value, he let everyone else walk away, no trades. this is a joke. yet all thse people are defending him? you are embarrassment to kings fan. you so hard on vlade for years and now give new guy free passes left and right?
mcnair is a nobody. do you realize he never even play pro basketball? or college? he was a football player! He is last guy in rockets front office to get job, he is the bottom of barrel. you will be wishing for vlade. vlade was patient and kind. this guy is clown. he let bucks talk about trade to media. that’s what did this.
many times people very mad about stauskus trade. but look in the mirror clowns. mcnair ruined good deal with bucks: DJ Wilson and Donte Villanova. thats basically 2 firsts. that almost exactly what happen with stauskas. even reason for that trade, cap space, is same reason people talk about now with letting bodgan walk for nothing. you idiots jsut want to seem smart, you just want to do what everyone says. just cause mcnair comes from rockets you think he’s smart, but he has absolutely failed in this sitation. to blame vlade is embarassing, it just shows how little you know and how little integrity you have. shame!
if you blame vlade for bodgan, then you better give him credit for finding max player fox, finding the face of the franchise. but no, nobody thank vlade for that.
mcnair will let bodgan walk for nothing and set us back even further. so sad. he is fantastic player. i just hope that people will see that letting him walk for nothing is worse case scenario. saving cap space? lol. since when does that work. we must match bodgan and get him back on board. literally him not even playing for months would have more value than nothing. or else we are even further back.
uh, okay…
Well, I guess we know Vlade’s TKH handle
I’m gonna need you to stop talking for awhile. Maybe take the next few plays off.
Absolutely.
But losing an asset as Bogi for nothing is not ideal.
I think we have to match this.
Yeah I don’t love the idea of losing Bogi for nothing but at the end of the day I’m not sure it matters because we are not on a timeline where he is going to help us a whole lot.
For me it is simple asset management. We are seeing Bogi’s value around the league right now. He has had several suitors. Including playoff teams (Pacers) and championship contenders (Bucks).
Maybe we disagree on this point, but I don’t see that level of interest for Buddy.
So we can match $18m/yr (or about $3m/yr less than Buddy), or we can lose that asset for nothing. ..Cap space? Who could the Kings use that space on that is better than Bogi? Last free agent we signed in that range was George Hill. That turned out well.
Match the offer, then shop Buddy. Or Barnes. Bottom line is Bogi at that Schlenk contract is better than the heist Buddy’s and Barnes’ agent pulled over on Vlade.
This is good
Very good points, but I cringe at Paper Bagley being the future.
Wow…the minimum.
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1330569870979657730
As expected. If Sacramento wanted to keep him, they would have.
No that’s 100% the other way. He didn’t want to be here. Neither does Buddy, Bogdan, and Bazemore (who the Kings certainly made an offer and probably offered more than the Ws). Because he was a nice and fun kid, Kings fans talked themselves into a few things on a few fronts with Giles. His reps made it clear Friday, anywhere but here was their plan. The offers weren’t great, so he took the best one that wasn’t here.
You don’t think he would have stuck around here on a 1 year deal that was twice what Portland paid him? Especially given that the front office that ostensibly wronged him was fired? I highly, highly doubt it. Particularly since his path to playing time isn’t much better in Portland.
On Friday, he had his agent announce, without a non-minimum offer in hand, that he was signing literally anywhere but here. What happened and why is pretty clear.
unless I missed something, you’re wrongly assuming that was Giles’s unilateral decision.
The Stockholm Syndrome level process of some Kings fans pivoting right from: (1) this player has upside and a lot of value; to (2) the Kings correctly decided he was not worth a minimum offer days before free agency opened it really something.
You’ll have to take that particular criticism elsewhere. I’ve been on record here and on the old site repeatedly as saying the criticism of Vlade for declining this option was way overblown ever since it happened. I never thought he was worth $4 million this season. Maybe if you thought he’d develop into consistent rotation player, it would have been justifiable to keep him under team control for a couple more years to see if he pans out. As much as I love his personality and effort, I just don’t see it with him.
Agreed – you can’t beat internet psychoanalysis, especially when a healthy dose of conflating is sprinkled in.
I am curious to find out what happened with Giles though. I asked a question in the chainmail last week about why everyone in the media seemed so certain Giles was gone since it didn’t seem like his contract would be the issue. It now looks like either Giles or McNair just decided to go in a different direction.
Sometimes a clean break is best for everyone.
My guess is that the organization not picking up his $3.9m option was a deal breaker for him.
Agreed. I’m not sure Vlade being gone really mattered. The option wasn’t picked up so he wanted to go elsewhere. And why wouldn’t he? Why the hell would anyone voluntarily choose to stay with this organization?
How do you it wasn’t just that McNair told Giles agent they were going in a different direction?
because that, whilst likely, does not fit into the narrative he has constructed
Harry was in no way shape or form at fault for any of his issue’s. It was all Vlade, all the Kings org.
He signed for the minimum to be a 4th big in PDX’s rotation. That doesn’t scream incredible opportunity to me. I’m rooting for Harry, but his ability to impact a team at this point is far from certain.
The Kings have enough other things going on. Adding a project in his 4th year just doesn’t seem to be the best way to go for all parties. Harry might figure it out, he might not. But he’s better off in PDX for every reason imaginable starting with he’ll be playing with an established veteran group that won’t tolerate his dumb mistakes. Harry needs that.
I’m rooting for Harry, but I hardly see this as major news if it weren’t for the fact that Harry were so popular with the fanbase.
Given final contract that giles get, even after decent flashes this year, it seems entire league agree with vlade he not worth $4mm. he just saw it before everyone else because he has eye for talent. giles is great guy with great energy, but he has major injury issues and was not able to grow in way he need to show value of multi year deal. wish him best in portland, but idea that vlade make mistake has been proven wrong with final deal he sign.
I don’t think he would have stuck around at all for any reason.
The best way to put lipstick on this pig, IMO FK&C, is I’m happy for Harry and hope he does well in Portand. But I’m not sure Harry takes the Blazers’ offer if the Kings offer him 3.9 million. He doesn’t have that much money made in his career to turn that down.
That’s true but honestly if I were in his shoes I might be thinking that I’ve got faith in my own abilities and they will shine through for a competent organization so I need to go anywhere but here. Maybe I’m wrong but I just think we tend to underestimate how big of an impact not picking up a player’s option has on their feelings towards the organization whether the FO who made the decision is still in place or not.
I’m not underestimating it at all. But when you’re talking about the difference of 2.5 million dollars for a guy who has made all of 6.5 million dollars his entire career, I don’t think you automatically turn that down because of hurt feelings.
That said, I don’t think Monte was going to bring him back.
I’m certainly open to the idea that it’s a little of A and a little of B. It’s possible Mcnair didn’t want him back and I have a feeling Harry isn’t too sad to be leaving either.
Well said FK&C. I think it’s a fresh start/clean break for everyone.
I think it’s because of Walton. If he wasn’t the coach then they’d all be staying this year, he’s an extension of Vlade.
So…who wants to be the one to tell Monte Free Agency has started?
Match the offer. Trade Buddy. That is all.
This^
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
match!!!!!!!
Then trade Budddy to Atlanta.
The problem with this is Buddies low value right now, and keeping bobo wont help increase that value either weve seen that story play out. Unfortunately this is all collateral damage by Vlade. He had suiters for bobo when he could have sold high at the trade deadline and chose not too. Now unfortunately with the presumed trade kicker attached to bobo we lose him for nothing and it falls on Vlade. Now Buddy has a chance to rebuild his value as a starter so we can net picks and assets for him at the trade deadline.
Sounds like you one of thse people who want to tank. at deadline we try to still make playoffs. we wanted to have fox buddy and bogie as backcourt going forward. it was smart not to trade him, and if anything vlade very smart about it cause bucks still interested.
mcnair completely fumbled this entire situation. he rushes to made agreement with bucks, and then doesnt understand rules and everything explodes to nothing. complete mismanage. that is what this is. why you so scared to acknowledge that he is in charge and he made the mistakes? blame vlade is like blaming your ex gf who you broke up with for never getting action. you seem like person who understands never getting action,
Vlade is that you?
Vlade’s English is better.
You do know that the Bucks were the ones who leaked the trade and is therefore not on McNair.
It was probably BB8’s agent who leaked the trade, not the Bucks or Kings.
I think we can get decent value for Hield still. Maybe a pick/ prospect and filler. I don’t think his value will increase much (if at all) the more he plays under Walton.
Much better than letting Bogi walk. Bogdan is better, and now we know he is also slightly cheaper than Buddy. And he comes without the prima Donna baggage.
No brainer in my opinion to match the offer. We are not getting a better player than Bogi for $18m in free agency. Maybe the next George Hill?
Or…match the offer and start Bogi. Buddy signed a contract and right or wrong the team has the right to play him wherever they want. Buddy can be sixth man. It didn’t hurt Bobby Jackson.
I still don’t think this is a great move by ATL, given Kevin Huerter’s age and incredibly similar numbers.
I don’t either. Either they are just desperate to add some talent, or they think he’ll have value on that contract. Really don’t know which it is.
Atlanta smells like a team rushing to get into the playoffs. They are using all their cap space to get a 5th or 6th seed in the east to get knocked out by a sound defensive team in the first round.
I’m a bit surprised to. Huerter is not going to get a whole lot of minutes with the addition of Dunn, Rondo, and now Bogi. They are already loaded at the wings with Hunter and Reddish.
Respectfully disagree. They’ve added guys at roughly fair value and held onto to all of their young prospects. They’re better, and they’re deeper.
I don’t see an albatross deal on their cap sheet.
I agree they have a very nice cap sheet, I just wonder about their rotations with their new additions. They’ve added Rodno, Dunn, Gallo, Snell and now Bogi and I think they may be doing their youth and Huerter, Hunter, and Reddish a disservice at the expense of trying to win now.
I think that being 10-11 deep in this coming season is a very, very good thing.
I think they are giving Huerter Hunter and Reddish a chance at actually earning minutes as opposed to just giving it to them. That’s not a bad thing.
Huerter can play one position and a likely career backup at that spot ! Bogi much more valuable for several years !
Huerter just turned 22, can shoot from deep and is a willing passer. I think he will be in the league for the next 12 years and will be a very good piece on winning teams.
Eh, not really a Bogi Fan at all. He has 1 great game, then 2 disappointing games.
He didn`t rest his body when he was dealing with injury and played with his country team in the offseason.
He never had any loyalty to the kings anyway.
Ehh if the contract is too expensive and has a lots of provisions that would make it impossible to match then just let Bogi walk. I understand that we should keep an asset and trade him soon but with that type of provisions (I assume there will be) it almost becomes a negative asset in the long run rather than a positive.
Might as well have a clean slate rather than tying up more money that could affect our flexibility moving forward. Mcnair has talked a lot about having flexibility so I wouldn’t be surprised if he let Bogi walk.. Just roll with our rookies and see what we have, get a top 5 pick in 2021 and call it a day.
Let’s face it, this team ain’t making the playoffs this season. Might as well have a clean cap moving forward.
I am 100% in agreement – just let him walk, keep the cap clean, see if the new FO can patch things up with Buddy.
Just found out about the updated details on Bogi’s contract. A 15% trade kicker in his 4th year. Idk, I might actually want to match it. Having Bogi at 18 million per year is not that bad compared to Buddy. I might just keep Bogdan and find a way to trade Buddy during the season or next.
Looking at the details of the contract it actually ain’t that bad as I imagined.
When I saw 4/72, my first thought was simple, match it!
It’s right at the edge of what I thought they should pay to retain him and compared to other deals in the league, its absolutely fair.
Either trade Buddy, both, or keep both into next year and decide where to go after a reset. He is still an asset at that price and Bogi is a player that could always be traded after next year if necessary.
Details:
If I can’t get a prospect or pick, I match, and look at dealing Hield or Bogi (or both, depending on what I can get in return) at the trade deadline. It’s asset management, and I think that Bogi at 4/$72m is a better asset than nothing.
I agree. Match, move Buddy and go from there. The Kings are not going to find value replacement for Bogi in free agency or the current trade market. The only guy who comes close is Huerter, but ATL has no incentive to S&T.
I agree. I wonder if McNair has been trying to deal Hield. I think those efforts would be relevant for ascertaining the trade market for BB (a player of roughly similar overall value) at this salary range. Maybe, if the response to Hield proposals has been, LOL, only if you take Horford back, I can understand McNair not wanting to add another salary in this range that is unlikely to return positive assets in a trade.
My guess is not so much “deal” as “listen to all offers.” My perverted wish is that this team stumble out of the blocks this season, leading to a deadline purge that sees expiring contracts and prospects/picks come back in return. But with the play-in now confirmed at 10 teams, I could see McNair getting pressure to leave it alone if the Kings are within sniffing distance come the trade deadline.
I think the problem is that if the team is a tire fire, that probably means Hield and Barnes are doing a lot to help their trade value.
I just dont see how Buddy is tradable. And the logic of retaining is hyperly reliant on that being plausible. And Bogi likely has a trade kicker in this offer sheet. If that is the framework to justify this retention it has to come with a big slice of what if.
Maybe in a years time post a Buddy drop in salary (2nd year drops to 20). But by that point it is more than plausible he will be grossly overvalued, let alone a understood malcontent. And a deal will likely be structured with the Kings eating some poor salary in that hypothetical as well.
Plausible. I personally don’t see Hield as being outrageously overpaid and as such I find it difficult to believe he’s untradeable, but some analysts (like Danny Leroux) strongly disagree.
That said, Leroux just wrote that BB’s offer sheet is a reasonable one which the Kings should match, so maybe I’m just off base in my premise that he and Hield are even roughly equivalent talents.
Most people are of the opinion that the Kings should match this Bogi deal.
I’m personally of the opinion that it’s time to let go and mostly at this point I’m tipping my cap to the Atl FO for doing a smart thing. They played their cards perfectly for Bogi.
Thats very interesting. Few are smarter than Leroux. Objectively I hve no argument the deal is fair, removed of prior commitments. And iits a grey zone just generally, far more granular a decision than most. And similarly my thoughts on Buddy dictate my perceptions as well.
I would say what appears true in relation to Buddy’s trade market, he has no apparent suitors. I think it’s safe to say year 1 will be very hard to move based on the frontloaded nature of the structure. Not just in evaluations of Buddy but functionally. Thus the overlap of the Fox extension is likely. And in the picking up Bogi’s deal, now McNair is trade hunting with players not his own, that are older than his priorities. The competitiveness of this team would be made in the margins. Personally because of the corner we put ourselves in I dont think it would be my first choice to sign up for that.
i can think of a myriad of sensible ways we couldnt have been in that situation but thats not the case.
What we are seeing here IMO, Zebra, is the reality of how much one person’s decision doesn’t just stop at the time of the decision, but really plays out over a much longer term. We’re really not going to find out much about Monte at all until at least a couple years down the road into this thing.
He’s just cleaning up Vlade’s mess…..and that’s SOP for new GM’s on the job. They don’t get opportunities that are tailor made, they get the opportunities that come…usually with poorly run franchises.
I’ll say this: If Monte made this decision based on the public reaction, that I’m going to struggle with. You just can’t run a franchise in public no matter how much the fans believe you can.
What mess? We have roster that was right in the mix for playoffs with upside. now we back to bottom because he doesnt know what he’s doing. you give him couple years? wow. what a double standard. when vlade make mistakes year one where were you? exactly.
that sir is a great statement, and 100% accurate
Couldn’t agree more. And even with this issue on Monte’s hands there is reason for optimism on both his and our parts. This in itself is a murky decision, one I can say I feel less assured by in my own thoughts oon it, than in past ones of a similar vein.
But as you say decisions made now dictate future options available. And in this case the needle hole I would argue because of an avoidance pertaining these players in the past forces a narrowing of the future regardless. If thats worth it is tough to say. As you say thats Monte’s job.
Tough to improve losing assets and counting on unproven draft picks !
I think I’m fine with letting him walk. Fox has essentially given his blessing on them not really even trying to compete this upcoming season. If the Kings can find a way to move off of Barnes/Buddy without taking back too much future money, then the Kings will go into next offseason with a ton of cap space, and a high draft pick to work with.
I am fine with letting him walk as well. Its disappointing the market didnt allow us a chance for a sign and trade, but at this point, Halliburton is a younger and cheaper version of Bogi, and will likely be better than him in the 21-22 season. I think Buddy is more valuable to the Kings currently as well as a much more dangerous shooter than BB, and I think he is a better asset moving forward than Bogi as well, as his contract declines and his shooting is still elite, we can move him for whatever we need as we see how Fox, Bagley, and Haliburton develop.
Letting walk for nothing would be the worst outcome. he has good value on that deal, even if he is just same player. can at least get something at trade deadline. cap space has little value for us, we can’t get anyone who is good deal, only overpays.
With the draft odds right now, we’ll be getting at least the 7th or 8th pick even if we tank hard. No sense tanking these days, it’s much better to play hard and get the new guys some reps. 2021 Draft has some killer prospects ready to play at a high level.
or they’ll be forced to allow Bogdanovic to walk away without compensation
Theres only one correct answer here.
Match and then trade Buddy. Do it now, Do it in 6 months or do it in a year. Preferably now.
Buddy is better
20/5/3, excellent splits, work ethic
Bogdan is inconsistent and did nothing as a starter
they’ve probably been trying to trade Buddy too, his market is down with the benching
Buddy cannot stay in front of an eighth grader on defense.
He is an elite, elite volume deep shooter. In the right situation he would win his position on most nights.
I understand that Hield’s personality grates on folks, and he is far from a perfect player. But in today’s NBA, he indeed has value. In fact, it could be argued that he is closer to the top of his position right now than anyone else on the Kings roster.
IDK, The way I see it, he is being payed almost 25 million dollars next year and is in his prime. To exploit those skillsets given those priors, you likely have to be a competitive situation. And if you are in a competitive situation I fail to see how that is a) a good use of your cap, or b) that the defense factor isnt a major major caveat.
I think in 2 years halfway through a deal that does decline, possibly. But I fail to see many a team a whose current books in combination with their cap agreements warrants the interest, and in turn puts the Kings in an improved situation post a trade (ala not mostly a salary dump in return). I would argue the lack of interest suggests as much.
What I fear is Bogi walks and Buddy, still feeling disgruntled, demands a trade in the coming months. Then the Kings are really screwed.
Buddy mouth’s off. It’s what he does. But if you take Bogi out of the mix and he continues to mouth off, you probably are screwed. At some point though, there has to be disincentive for Buddy mouthing off and I haven’t seen that yet.
The fact the he reportedly won’t return Walton’s calls is disturbing.
Eh, it is what it is.
Maybe Luke invited him to his hotel room?
(Too soon perhaps)
At this point there are no indications that Buddy is attractive to anyone in the league. I get this is the most ideal hypothetical but if I were another team I would have little to no interest. Especially when he is seeking more competitive situation it only becomes more unlikely. And so far not even one credible rumor has circulated.
IDK I just cant justify actions inherently reliant on other teams to appear feasible longterm. That in itself makes the plausibility of such future deals unlikely as everyone would be aware of the Kings would be restrictions.
Use the 48 hours to see if Knicks will give anything worthwhile for B H? Matching saves us 4 M per year at SG position and whatever NY would give. Only a year older than Buddy and started over Buddy
If I didn’t dislike Hield so much I’d be more ok letting Bogdonovic leave.
I’m okay with not matching, but would’ve liked to have seen if a S&T could’ve been worked out at least. Seems like Bogi (and a few other guys) are really wanting to stick it to the Kings this offseason.
Some “things”. This thread started before the news of the trade kicker (which isn’t insignificant) surfaced along with what I’m assuming is an ETO (but could be a straight player opt out– it matters little which option it is in reality) for the 4th season.
If the Kings match, as already has been pointed out by me on Twitter, by others, and by Tim, the Kings can’t just trade Bogi at the trade deadline. He has a full no trade clause until whenever the next offseason is (July, August, whenever). Bogi can’t be traded to Atlanta for at least the upcoming season. Additionally, because of the 15% trade kicker, it will cost the Kings 20.7 million to trade Bogi assuming he has a flat salary over all 4 seasons. Plus that will raise his salary across the board to 20.7 million so any team acquiring Bogi has him for that number instead of the 18 million the offer sheet starts out as.
Now. Is that worth retaining an asset for? That depends. Bobby Marks and Nate Jones and numerous writers here at TKH think so. But with all due respect to al of those folks (and I’m not throwing shade at any of them), it’s not their decision. It’s ultimately ownership and Monte McNair’s. And it’s not a simple decision if you take money out of the equation. (I’m not ready to go there yet. We’ll see how this decision is handled. And what the narrative coming from Sac is.)
First, you are tying up about 16.5% of your cap in Bogi himself. Just Bogi. Not De’Aaron, not Bagley, Buddy or Barnes, just Bogi. You can’t do anything about Buddy Hield or Harrison Barnes deals, but they aren’t that much more expensive than Bogi is. There is one major differnce between them and Bogi though: They actually play a lot more minutes as annoying as that is to many around here and in the fanbase.
Now here’s the ‘what if’ portion of this. IF you knew what you could get for return for Bogi at 20.7 million, and IF you knew when you could get that return, and IF you thought that was worth 20.7 million you do so. But let’s start with Atlanta. Is Kevin Huerter really worth that? Your mileage may vary on that one. I love Huerter’s game….but I don’t know if he’s worth hanging onto Bogi for a year and a 20.7 million price tag. What I don’t know is how Bogi is really valued around the NBA at this point. I’ve seen opinions on that value, but I rarely put a ton of stock into that sort of thing. That’s as much gamesmanship (like trying to torpedo the Bucks supposed S&T) as anything.
I know one thing. This was the worst case scenario for Sacramento and it just played out. I’m not really sure which way I lean because I’m not really entirely sure what Bogdan Bogdanovich’s real value around the NBA is especially since now that deal has effectively jumped in value 250%. That’s a lot of cheddar, and assuming the Kings weren’t cash poor and money wasn’t an issue I’m not sure I’m willing to commit that kind of money.
There is, however, optics to consider. On one hand you can move on scot free and say your hands were tied. (This is what I think ultimately happens.) lt was a decision you couldn’t really do a lot about. You were put there. There’s also the optics of not retaining an asset for what is deemed a reasonable price. There’s also the issue of how you deal with NBA agents even if Bogi’s agent is very shady (and it seems this is the case) beyond Tuesday. Plus you have the existing roster dynamics, particularly with Buddy Hield, to also consider.
There’s a lot to consider here, and while I’m not really a fan of any of the options, ultimately I think the best decision Monte can make is probably to let Bogi walk. I’m not a fan of losing an asset for nothing, but experience has taught me that is often overstated in what it means to a franchise. You keep a player….and then ultimately what comes back when you do trade that player isn’t nearly as much as you’d hope.
A tough decision to be sure, and I don’t think there’s a simple solution here. The only thing that I’m really hoping for is that it comes out that ultimately Monte wanted to match Bogi but couldn’t do due to ownership’s insistence to keep costs down. But this was a challenging decision from the start that was always likely to not go the Kings way and that’s ultimately what happened. I think if anything you have to look at Atlanta and their FO with Travis Schlenk and that crew really did their homework here. There was no leverage here with Sacramento outside of saying that they would absolutely match any offer that came Bogi’s way which I don’t think any franchise should do unless it’s a superstar level player…and if it gets to that you’re probably screwed anyway. Bogi ain’t that kind of player.
I personally think Buddy Hield is more valuable than Bogdan Bogdanovich even though Bogi doesn’t tick a lot of people off and has a more aesthetically pleasing game. And if I have to go through all of that and come away with a valuation of players and opportunity cost, and I know that there’s a ton wrong with my roster and Bogi isn’t ultimately that much of a needle mover, I’m letting Bogi walk. But that’s splitting hairs and ultimately I’m really 50-50.
But either way, ultimately this wasn’t really Monte McNair and the FO’s call. They had their hands tied no matter how much national and/or local criticism they will get if they let Bogi walk for being cheap, not properly prioritizing assets, etc etc. But given all the real options the Kings have, I think you let Bogi go. It’s tough to do, but that’s what running franchises is ultimately about. Making the tough call with the big picture in mind. It’s just the reality of having a crappy option is all this is really been about.
(Tole u it was going to be insufferably long.)
Well said. A tough situation, and ultimately I think they will value flexibility more and let him walk.
Watching Halliburton highlights makes me feel better about this.
I’m uncomfortable with betting on Halliburton to take over for Bogi immediately….but if I’m the Kings it’s a security blanket I didn’t know I’d have even a week ago. It makes moving on from Bogi a lot easier IMO.
I purposely left Tyrese Halliburton out of that comment as he hasn’t played a single NBA game yet, but I think it makes moving on from Bogi and making a justification on how you do so easier.
I have no doubt of Bogi’s value as an 8.5 million player, but at a 20.7 million price tag that calculation changes dramatically. And I’d rather let Bogi walk and bet on Rese than ultimately twiddle my thumbs plus having to deal with Buddy’s temper tantrums on top of that (whom I’m not getting fair value in trade right now). It is what it is.
That’s why Monte gets the big bucks!
Great write up of the situation!
Buddy and Bogi, while both technically SG’s, are very different in their skill sets and personality. With the current styles Buddy is valued more when effectively used even if you think Bogi is more well rounded, jack of all trades but master of none basically. Buddy is already signed so with Bogi the only choice really is to let him walk. This might help with dealing with Buddy too, but who knows.
This is an excellent summary of the issue with Buddy and Bogi.
Ugh. Didn’t see this typo. I meant to say “The only thing I’m really NOT hoping for”….I don’t want finances to be the reason Bogi walks in otherwords.
Glad you caught that as it was the only thing I disagreed with. Excellent post Guru ðªð»
Thanks Dirk!
Excellent identification of the issues.
I don’t envy Monte for the next three or four days. However, fans of the Kings that watched the last two seasons know the organization made a huge mistake hiring Walton first and then letting him change the teams identity from a running team to whatever his sets were last year. Really absurd. That was the organizations second original sin.
Without belaboring the Walton issue, if they are going to let Bogdan walk then I wish they would just also cut ties with Walton. Doesn’t make sense not to. Bogdan and Buddy are not the cause, just the flash points.
If Monte is starting over, hell, let’s just start over for real rather than a fake re-set.
Word! Lose Walton must go!
Thanks JP! Much appreciated. Glad to see you’re still around.
I’m going to disagree about Walton, but that’s more of a red herring issue. I don’t think hiring Gregg Popovich or Erik Spoelstra or whomever makes that much of a difference here. Certainly not with this roster however it ends up being constructed.
I’m not a fan of Luke Walton, not claiming I am. But I think there’s a lot of issue’s with this roster and if and when there’s an opportunity to get an improvement there you take it. But as of today, I don’t see that opportunity.
Kingsguru,
I can’t disagree with anything you said. Your analysis of the issues is really good.
Let me state my point another way. The Kings won 39 games and really could have won 41+ When the playoffs became unreachable, and they did it with an up tempo team. The organization fires the coach and then hires a coach that thinks he has half a season of grace and honeymoon goodwill to experiment with the style of the teams play and lineups.
In the process he asks one of the elite 3 point dead eye shooters in the league to play a role that does not fit his skill set, which saps his confidence and then he takes him out of the starting lineup, which seems to blame the player for the coaches blunder in my minds-eye.
I think a Spoelstra or Pop would not have put Buddy in a role which exposed him and the team to below par performance. I am probably splitting hairs. I don’t mean to start a fire Walton post. If the team deems it better to let Bogdan walk then it ought to also consider letting the coach that took over an ascending team and turned them into a rebuilding team.
Just get on with it, if it’s to be a rebuild, let’s do it with a coach that when the roster improves knows what he is doing in terms of coaching to his players skills, and get that coach some assets.
I think your post is excellent. I don’t want to take the long nap before the Kings are back in the playoffs.
As you say, the team has roster issues. It hurts all of us to see a good player like Bogdan walk when what we really need is more players like him. The Kings draft of versatile players is my evidence.
If he walks I hope they are considering letting the coach go also.
Hey JP, I don’t want you to take the long nap anytime soon either! We need more of your perspective around here, not less!
Spo and Pop were bad examples in the sense that I understand Buddy was put in a bad position to succeed in many ways, but that’s sometimes what happens when you don’t have your best player for a big chunk of the season.
I don’t really think the Kings need to tank, tank, tank. They have useful young players with the opportunity to get another in ’21. Plus, growth from De’Aaron and Marvin especially.
I don’t think I would fire Walton because a team in transitional nature still needs a coach. Maybe if things are looking up and you really are confident Luke Walton is holding this roster back you fire him next spring when things hopefully have a rosier outlook around the world. Including here!
But at this point, I think firing Walton is basically burning money and adding losses to another coaches record. I think in a year this roster will be a lot more attractive to better coaches. That’s what I’m hoping for, anyway.
Nice to see you commenting JP, your contributions are always interesting. Hope all is well.
All is well Michael. I trust the same for you and your family and all Kings fans families and a safe Thanksgiving to everyone.
God it’s been a Emory board type of day for this Kings fan.
Better days are ahead.
Totally butt pulled but my guess is Walton sticks around for another year because they avoid having to pay at minimum two coaches for the next 3 years.
Yeah this is one of those situations in which you don’t let an asset go for nothing is an oversimplification. It’s hard to know what McNair’s plan is for the next season or two, so it we can’t really reverse engineer this stuff in real-time. If I had to guess, the goal is to be in a position next season that’s similar to the Hawks were in this offseason.
I’m starting to really look at it like this Bratz: Keep Bogi or increase flexibility and cap room. And ultimately that may be what Monte was talking about in his pressers to this point. Let’s just say it like this: I’ve thought for awhile the best case scenario was to get a S&T for Bogi (and I think Monte tried…but there’s little you can do there) and the worst case scenario was letting Bogi walk….and get the cap space. With not a remarkable difference between the two in reality.
He’s already dramatically overhauled the roster by letting Giles, Bazemore and Bogdanovich walk. (Or I’m assuming he’s letting Bogi walk.) If nothing else it gives the Kings options during the trade deadline, draft and next FA period. A lot more than it would by matching Bogi.
Yeah if you look at the situation through the lens of his intro press conference, then the logic is much easier to accept. This reminds me a lot of when people say this seems like the predicate to a bigger move down the line. I don’t think said move is eminent, but it gets them into a position to capitalize on an opportunity when/if one comes along.
Agreed.
I think we will imminently see whether Monte is truly the master of his eminent domain.
This is arguably more amusing than your poems.
I’m concerned that McNair thinks he can make Sac a destination FAs don’t avoid. He hasn’t been here long enough to see that FA’s turn down more than fair contracts to go play elsewhere. The only way to change that is consistent winning, and that won’t come for several years (if at all).
Any cap space flexibility is likely to be useless here if the goal is sign a top tier FA. Absorbing a bad contract for draft assets would be great, but for some reason (cash strapped?) the org refuses to do so.
His preferred strategy definitely works in most NBA cities, I worry it won’t work here until he proves there is winning culture in place and in the meantime, he may lose quality assets in the hope of not missing out on potentially better opportunities down the line.
Bogi is an asset we don’t have to acquire. I don’t buy the need for flexibility right at this moment, it should be the goal, but we are left in a position at this point where flexibility is not as valuable as assets. This is very similar reasoning to what Vlade used to justify the Philly trade.
I read all of this and I’m glad you wrote it all down because it’s exactly how I feel. I get the argument for not letting an asset go for nothing but for the reasons you stated I think it’s not quite that simple. My guess, he’s gone for nothing and people will be upset but ultimately it won’t make a whole lot of difference in the long run.
Holy smokes that is something. I now have honestly no idea who is on OKC’s roster.
George Hill, Josh Gray, Kenrich Williams, Zylan Cheatham and Darius Miller are I know that!
And Horford!!
I forgot he still exists!
Could we get anything worthwhile from Knicks for Buddy? Matching the offer sheet and trading BH would save 4M per year and Kings would keep starting SG and pick up an asset, assuming the Knicks would give value and not squeeze too hard.
Unless you want to eat Julius Randle’s boondoggle contract or a wide assortment of terrible wings I’m not sure NYK can send enough salary back.
A lightly protected 2021 pick and Mitchel Robinson would also have to be the starting point of any negotiation.
Yup yup, and it’s looking like Westbrick will be a Knick soon we better get to trading.
Letting Bogi walk is not “getting nothing for him” – they are getting $18M/year in cap space by doing nothing! This is actually a big deal!
Next year, over half of the cap will be wrapped up in 3 players (Fox, Buddy, Barnes). Trading Barnes isn’t going to happen without doing something ridiculous like attaching a pick. Trading Buddy isn’t going to happen because the NBA market isn’t liquid enough to provide fair value – he’s too good to trade for anything less than a lightly protected lottery pick but too old to be interesting for any sane lottery team (hello NY Knicks, may I interest you in a gently used shooting guard?)
Given this, and the obvious desire to build around Fox, letting Bogi go is the right call here. Save the cap space for the future.
We had a better deal for BB 2 days ago.
I’ma put on my “I’m a fake GM” hat and hope for one of two outcomes:
1) match the offer and trade Buddy. I lack any info on how BB and his camp view/feel about playing in Sac and this may be DOA if bridges have been burned.
2) let him walk. No need to handicap your future moves just because the past GM put you in a bind. Eat the loss and do not succumb to the sunken cost fallacy.
In a Kangz year I’d expect the result to be 3) horrible, but current FO team has shown competence so I will trust their judgement until either they prove me wrong or Vivek starts butting in.
I think there needs to be clarification in the argument that you don’t let an asset walk . In essence that is true, and something the Kings have been historically awful in managing. But the more reasonable way to frame that is you don’t let restricted assets expire you aren’t ok walking.
That is the Kings f++k up. This situation should have never happened. Critiquing the merits of a New GM not wanting to sabotage his cap is not fair in my view. What transpires from this is based on that mistake, in combination with the fact they avoided the truth they needed to decide between Buddy and Bogi over the multiple season they had with both, prior to financial commitment. Not over 48 hours initiated completely by a competitor. Its garbage process and has Vlade’s fingertips all over it. McNair has more than merits and the right to pass on this if he chooses.
There was no way to prevent Bogi from expiring. Due to the weirdness of his initial contract situation, there was a hard limit on what the Kings were allowed to offer as an extension before he hit RFA. They made the max allowable offer but it was laughably low compared to what he was going to get in RFA so it was rejected.
That is all true, but misses the larger point I am trying to make. This was more than a foreseeable problem, with multiple checkpoints where the Kings had far more leverage and options than now. The feasibility of this current team committing 40 million plus of their cap to overlapping players when not competitive, and looming expensive rookie extensions around the corner, was clearly not the best use of their cap.
Instead of acknowledging that fact when they had options and leverage both in what both players were making, and in team control they ignored the problem. And made matters worse when extending Buddy on a player dictated negotiation despite being team controlled, which was rich at the time and only looks worse both from play and market rates.
The point is, this is not the point where such an ethos is informative. Not letting assets expire is more informed that you use your assets before your hand is forced. That perspective is relevant in the transactions that happen before it.
I get your point in the simple facts the Kings couldnt literally agree to something prior with Bogi from his indeed uniquely structured deal. The point was larger than that I suppose.
Bogi’s impending, unstoppable RFA likely was a factor in Buddy’s contract – that was something that could be controlled whereas Bogi’s status was always going to be unpredictable.
I’m also fine just rolling with Buddy – he had a down year, was benched, was unhappy and still hit 271 3PM at a nearly 40% clip. If that’s the worst version of Buddy that we get then that that contract is a steal. Hopefully Luke will end the point-Buddy experiment this year and everybody gets happy again but there is no reason to go a different direction at SG right now.
I guess I would say to the degree Buddy’s deal was informed by Bogi’s RFA status, the benefits werent utilized. In nature both were team controlled, both were matchable. The agreement on Buddy I think was informed in assurance for him personally, partially by a comparable market rate. Maybe even in part for the Kings that with that clarity they could part from Bogi. Which I would agree is not the end of the world
But all that leads to the need that they had a season to trade Bogi after Buddys early deal. An option that was in near every hypothetical more sound than retaining both to this point regardless of the quality of the return, and a huge rationale to justifying preemptively Buddy’s deal. They did not do that.
And then of course choosing Bogi, over Buddy in the summer could have been the option (which I said should be the case when Buddy’s deal was rumored), which not only would have been likely cheaper (which did play out at least in the offer sheet), but following the season a likely better fit and player. Granted RFA offers I am sure were informed by the Kings cap restraints w/ Bogi, but the general contracts for both were projectable in part.
There is a lot of this informed by bias, but the simple fact is at some point over last year and this season one of these two should have been dealt IMO.
Remember, going into last season everyone was feeling a lot better about this roster than they are now. The absolute nightmare scenario this summer would have been having Buddy and Bogi both going into RFA, with the specter of having to max Buddy to keep him being a possibility. Obviously it didn’t play out that way but if Buddy was an RFA it wouldn’t have shocked me to see a team lay down a bigger offer sheet than his current contract, even with his “down” year. Being able to structure his declining contract last season counts as one of Vlade’s good decisions IMO.
Bogi was likely not a particularly attractive trade asset at the deadline because of his oddball contract – any team that acquired him would have been under the same extension constraints as the Kings and would have been rolling the dice in RFA. Obviously we’re not privy to the details, but it wouldn’t shock me if they tried to shop him around but simply didn’t get anything close to a worthwhile offer.
Worst case scenario for us. Would have loved to have gotten that S&T with the Bucks, but here we are. I love Bogi, but I don’t think I’d keep both Bogi and Buddy moving forward, and I think Buddy is the (slightly) more valuable player. They are close enough that if you can get a trade you like for Buddy in the next 48 hours, I would go for it; otherwise, I’m leaning towards letting Bogi walk. Tough call. Tough day for us all around.
I understand that ATL doesn’t have to negotiate in good faith for a S&T because the offer sheet has been signed and they can absorb Bogi’s deal, but could the Kings call up ATL and say, they fully intend to match unless ATL tosses the offer and they negotiate a S&T?
Basically could the Kings play hard ball and call ATL’s bluff here? Maybe a S&T can still happen if ATL wants Bogi bad enough?
That is a fascinating hypothetical, one I am curious the legality of in reference to collective bargaining. Of course we know that isnt the most strident power of judging team conduct.
It is a fascinating foil though
This is a complex situation. I feel bade for Monte here but he was hired to be the GM and he has a nice front office team to support. I am sure they are in front of a white board right now with phones around the table going through all their options.
Overall, and I might be in the minority here, but I would rather give Tyrese Bogi’s minutes and see what you got. I think we have a quiet free agency on our hands because Monte does not truly know what he has with this roster yet. Let the youth play, see what you got, use the trade deadline to shore up some things, get a high draft pick in 2021, and then see what you can do from there. I do not like the idea of matching Bogi’s offer unless you somehow find an amazing trade for Buddy within 48 hours. I do not see that happening because teams will try and low ball to see what they can get out of us. I would rather trade veterans at the deadline when teams are more desperate (think injuries, unexpected title chances, etc.)
If we match Bogi’s offer and we got into the season with our current roster, then you will be taking minutes away from young players, might not be raising value on him or Buddy, and will snag a couple of more wins you don’t want on the quest to a higher pick. It is a tough call, but I would say let Bogi walk unless you get a good trade for Buddy within 48 hours. If that is the case, match Bogi and trade him when you can. None of our players on big contracts, besides Fox, should be on this roster when we are competing again.
Just some thoughts, you do not have to agree and I would actually love if people who disagree would post why they would match.
Agree with this. Keeping Bogi holds this team back for a couple of years at least. He doesn’t fit here anymore, but would be consuming lots of minutes to the detriment of other players.
Hey Atlanta put some extra air in those balls cause Bogi’s gonna dribble the hell outta them while he’s dancing back and forth over the 3pt. line, especially when he’s out there with the second unit.
Hey Bogi you could have had a shot at a ring in Milwaukee what the heck dude.
Welcome to Sacramento Tyrese!
Theres no reason not to match. It would be negligent not to. You know this is a potential problem when you “hit reset” with a new GM. The clock starts over for the new guy but the fans have been suffering for two decades.
The new hire has potentailly ulterior motives that could undermine the best interest of the team. He lets Bogi walk, he’s buying more time for himself to mold the team in his image, he’s maximizing his tenure with eye to next deal.
After all, he was “forced” to bleed to talent due to the neegligence of the previous GM. This rebuild could take 5-7 years is how the new GM is thinking, and selling to the owner, all the while making more money annually then he has ever seen before.
I hope our GM is not thinking this way but it is a factor that could come into play.
“He lets Bogi walk, he’s buying more time for himself to mold the team in his image, he’s maximizing his tenure with eye to next deal.”
I think it is the opposite, the rebuild happens faster when the GM gets the players he wants. It is painful on the front end, but we get through the tunnel on the back end more quickly. Bogi impedes the development of Fox and Halliburton, while making Hield an even worse malcontent.
So with the paperwork filed, it is now a match / no match situation for the Kings. Which makes me wonder if they are having any “what it” conversations surrounding Hield. That is, we’re going to match on Bogi, but we’ll give you Hield for (say) Tony Snell’s expiring and a pick. The Kings have little leverage here, so it’s not as though they can get too greedy in a Hield offer. That said, if the Kings match on Bogi, the Hawks don’t have a lot of remaining options.
I think if you’re going to move on from Buddy Hield, you have to do it before the offer sheet gets submitted. Otherwise, as you point out, you have little leverage.
As Zebra has pointed out upthread, the ability to maximize value from assets was lost by Vlade Divac and in seasons prior, not by Monte McNair in late November 2020.
Kings should match. They can’t let a player of Bogi’s caliber and salary slot/asset walk without compensation. That is a salary slot they won’t get back. Match the deal and figure out the buddy/bogi options and trade scenarios later. This new front office will figure it out and make the most of it.
The longer this 48 hr clock runs without the Kings saying anything or pursuing other players the more likely they will match.
Yeah I do think we are seeing that the poor moves made by Vlade have put Monte in a pretty untenable situation that he seems to be trying to make the best of. He tried to do a S&T and Bogi’s team scuttled the deal and at the point the Kings were screwed. I know from the outside a lot of people will think watching Bogi walk for nothing will be another “LOL KANGZ” moment but I really don’t think that’s the case here at least so far as the current front office is concerned.
To me not matching Bogi means you have $18M to hold in reserve or spend elsewhere. Seeing as we’re likely a sub 30 win team as constructed now I’d say keep your powder dry for opportunities later. I’m resigned to rooting for that top 5 pick over playoffs. No need to get desperate to get a 10 seed just to lose one game and be out of it. Let’s see what Fox, Haliburton, Buddy, Ramsey, and even Guy can do as guards. BTW, what happens with CoJo and Yogi?
I think Yogi is gone and I’d try to move Cojo for anything or simply let him be your 3rd string point guard.
Cap space in Sacramento means almost nothing to me other than to absorb bad contracts for draft assets, but Sac seems to never do so and the cap space becomes irrelevant.
Even if we had another $18M in cap space, I don’t believe we have a great chance of landing our target in the 1st place.
I tend to agree. Save cap space for what? We’ll never be able to sign an FA even at Bogi’s level at fair market value. Mind as well keep him at market value. The trade kicker is fairly light anyways. Can always trade Buddy for a pick attached to large contract. They really need to sign Bogi. Even if Bogi doesn’t want to come back.
My take is this. If we can’t spend the 18 million on a player like Bogi who is starter level then i dont want to spend the 18 mill. We don’t need cap space for signing over priced vets who will be at the back end of the rotation at best. The rotation is set with or without Bogi. With Bogi you ideally have no hield and with hield you ideally have no Bogi. sign a big body center to be a back up and your offseason is complete.
So, the worst case scenario for Sacramento is the Hawks willing to massively over pay Bogdanovic? After drafting Haliburton, who will be a stud, I’m fine with that.
None of the comments here make any sense. I wrote a post in the other thread talking about Bogi’s weaknesses, oft-injured, sub 40% from 3, etc, but even I proclaim this is a contract that should be matched as a no-brainer unless you can get some good assets back in S&T. (I like Capela) .
If we signed Bogi for say 4/60 Kings fans would be talking about how great it is, and how we got him under value. Now add a piddling 3M to each year and that is what the Hawks signed him for.
Are YOU going to let Bogi walk over a piddling extra 3M added to our cap? If this new GM has half of a brain, and based of our draft I think he does, WE WILL MATCH.
Couldn’t the Kings tell ATL that they are going to match unless they offer up something of value? Just gotta be willing to back it up if they call the bluff.
So we’re losing him for zilch. It’s fairly obvious he didn’t want to be here and wanted to stick it to us on the way out.
Good riddance.
Bogi never said he wanted to leave Sacramento. There is no evidence anything more going on here than he and his agent maximizing his value and Atl offered him the best deal. As a RA the Kings can match or not. Based on some of the other deals we have seen the last few days this is a reasonable price for a player of his caliber. Kings should definitely match and work out the other dynamics later.
Monty will wait until the last minute of the 48 hours and like the shrewd GM he is will sign the matching contract. ATL is out Bogi and in the meantime lost 47 hours and 59 minutes where they could have spent their remaining cap on players no longer available.
Agree with those in the camp of signing Bogi. 4/72 is a very fair value. Can’t let him walk for that. What else are the Kings going to do with saving this cap space? They won’t be able to sign an FA at Bogi’s level at fair market value next year or basically ever, or until they are a perennial playoff team. Sign him and look to trade Buddy for a 1st rounder attached to a large contract at the deadline.
Match the offer and see if Hawks would consider Buddy as a consolation for Snell’s large contract and Reddish, Hunter or Huerter + pick.
Ok so we match the offer sheet for Bogi. Then trade Buddy and James to Atl for Hunter, Huerter, and Reddish. We trade Barnes, Bags, and Guy, maybe a 2nd rounder to Philly for Harris and Melton. It is a MUST that we resign Len. I see possibly 4-5 dogs on that team.
20-21
Fox, Melton, Haliburton
Bogi, Huerter, Ramsey
Reddish, Jeffries, Woodard II
Harris, Parker, Hunter
Holmes, Len, Bjelly
If the Kings are going to match Bogi, McNair has to move Buddy. Otherwise, you can’t take minutes away from them and give them to Halliburton. McNair wasn’t hired to find a way to get Vlade’s players to perform, he was rehired to rebuild the team around Fox, one of the few Vlade players worth keeping. I guess you could match and sit Bogi on the bench, and if he complained, tell him that his agent has to find a team for him.
I say we go with a clean slate, and let Bogi walk. Why keep a often injured 28 year old guard, who loses his shot more often than not. I’m actually more upset about Bazemore leaving, but why keep players who don’t want to be here anyway, which includes Bogi. Leaving out any trades or FO signings, let’s roll with Fox, Buddy, Bagley, Halli, and Barnes. We’re probably not making the playoffs anyway.
Bazemore is a solid role player but he’s what 54 years old? We’re good Barnes and BJelly can be the vets on the team.
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