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Richaun Holmes looks lost

The once-starter doesn't seem to fit Sacramento's needs anymore.

When the Sacramento Kings inked Richaun Holmes to a 4-year, $46 million contract last summer, most fans were ecstatic, and understandably so. After a trade deadline that saw the Kings pass on moving veterans for assets, and ignore a limitation to what they could pay Holmes in free agency, there was a legitimate fear that a team like the Charlotte Hornets or Dallas Mavericks would swoop in and steal Sacramento’s starting center and one of the keys to their offensive attack. Instead, Holmes re-signed without any other market offers, and the relief was palpable, with most around the league viewing the new deal landing somewhere on the spectrum of a fair contract to one of the steals of free agency.

Fast forward one year, and the Holmes’ place in Sacramento has never felt more tenuous. After a season that saw Richaun start hot and then struggle with multiple eye injuries, deal with two significant personal issues, and watch his status as the starting center (a position that was very much earned) be replaced by a multi-time All-Star, everyone hoped that a summer of healing, both physically and mentally, would see Holmes return as the fan favorite he had become. Even as a backup, he could fly above the rim, block the occasional shot, and act as a supercharged catalyst for a bench unit that was supposed to be much improved. At worst, a strong 2022 campaign would see Holmes move his value back into the positive, lending Sacramento a hand in the trade department and potentially landing Holmes back in a starting role outside Sacramento. Unfortunately, none of those things have happened. Kings fans have witnessed nothing but a further decline in production and engagement on the court.

With all of the caveats of small sample sizes and early season numbers not always telling a season-long story addressed, it’s not an exaggeration to say that Holmes has been nothing but bad for Sacramento over the first seven games of the season, especially on the defensive side of things. While Richaun has never exactly been a defensive anchor, he’s always at least held his own as a rim protector and occasional perimeter switcher, but his disengagement on that end of the floor has been palpable in the early parts of the season.

In 96 minutes of play this year, Holmes has recorded exactly one block. That averages out to 0.4 blocks per 36 minutes, a far cry from his 1.8 average as a starter for Sacramento. Overall, Opponents have sunk 20 of their 31 (64.5%) field goals when guarded by Holmes this season, an increase of 15.4% over their average, the worst mark among all centers and forwards who have defended at least 30 field goal attempts, and also the fourth-worst mark when you throw every NBA player in the mix. According to NBA stats, opponents also haven’t missed a single shot in the paint when Holmes is on-ball, making all nine of their attempts. He has been an unmitigated, uninterested disaster on that end of the floor.

Offensively, Holmes’ field goal percentages have been solid, as they always have and probably always will be. But he’s been nothing short of invisible as a scorer for the Kings, averaging just 4.3 points per game to date. Of course, there are several factors at play. Richaun’s minutes have steadily decreased since Sabonis arrived, as his attention on the defensive end of the floor has done the same, but Sacramento’s roster changes have also hurt no individual more than Holmes. The Tyrese Haliburton trade not only forced Holmes to the bench permanently, it also shifted Sacramento’s offensive attack away from his most valuable play-type, the pick-and-roll.

Last year, with Tyrese Haliburton often at the helm of the offense, the Kings targeted the screener in the pick-and-roll 6.4% of the time, the ninth-highest rate in the NBA, a number that was likely even higher pre-Sabonis. In those opportunities, Holmes was incredibly effective, scoring a whopping 1.26 points per possession, ranking in the 76th percentile league-wide. In the full season, fully healthy year prior, Holmes was even better, putting up 1.3 points per possession as the screener, sitting in the 82nd percentile. His combination of speed, hops, and dexterity allowed him to grab just about anything around the rim and put it in the bucket.

This season, the Kings have moved away from the pick-and-roll completely. Sacramento is targeting the roller just 3.5% of the time, almost half as much as last season, ranking 29th in the league. The tandem of De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis simply doesn’t lend itself to a high rate of pick-and-roll, nor should Holmes and Sabonis share the floor, and even when Sabonis is on the bench, Holmes isn’t considered a primary target of the offensive attack with Sacramento’s improved bench this season. He’s more of a forgotten, tertiary option when things fall apart.

It's a sad thing to say about a fan favorite who found his footing as a starting-caliber player in Sacramento, but Richaun Holmes simply doesn't fit what the Kings need anymore, nor does he seem inclined to adjust to his new, lesser role. He isn't playing defense or protecting the rim. He can't space the floor or operate anywhere outside the paint on offense. He's making more than twice the amount of Alex Len with similar levels of production. He looks just as uncomfortable this season as he did post-trade last season. None of things make Richaun Holmes a bad player, he certainly isn't, but they do make him a bad fit. It’s time for the Kings to move on, whether that be in minutes and role alone, or with a future trade in mind.

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aplumley
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November 3, 2022 12:11 pm

They should be running PnR with the second unit. He was valuable as a switching big on defense, but now he’s being asked to be an anchor and rin protector. Seems like the team has gone away from everything he naturally does well and unsurprisingly, he’s struggled.

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November 3, 2022 12:14 pm
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System changed and he is not well suited for the new direction the team is going.

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November 3, 2022 1:06 pm
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PnR with his push shot seems like a basic play, I don’t understand why this can’t be run a couple times a game

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November 3, 2022 1:11 pm
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It takes two to tango, and I’m not sure the Kings have a solid PnR guys in Fox and Mitchell.

I’m not that stat savvy, but it would be interesting to see who most of Holmes’ shots were assisted by during the past two seasons. I’d probably put money on that it was Hali.

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November 3, 2022 1:53 pm
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Fox did it with him for an entire season and it was good. Hali likely did it better or more but Fox is more than capable. So is Mitchel. So is Monk. So is Huerter. So is Delly.

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November 3, 2022 2:33 pm
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My general sense is that Brown does not want to deviate from the offensive principles just to get one player going. I do not have major complaints with the offense as a whole.

Defensively though, I don’t know if it is because of the time he missed in training camp, but Holmes just seems like he is a step behind on everything.

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November 4, 2022 11:17 am
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The defense used to be a heavy switching defense and Holmes is adept at switching on smaller players. Domas is not. The defense this year is less switch heavy, making Holmes less valuable, because he’s not a great post defender. I just don’t see why they can’t tailor the defense to the personnel on the floor a bit more. That being said, while Holmes was a decent defender in the past, the team was horrible-er than the are now. So at least we’re slightly less terrible on that end.

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November 3, 2022 2:01 pm
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Holmes can’t create his own offense, that has been proven over the years. That being said, it didn’t seem that what Hali was doing with the PnR couldn’t be replicated by someone on the current roster?

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November 3, 2022 1:51 pm
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Agreed. It seems like it would be beneficial to switch things up offensively anyways. It WAS highly affective 2 seasons ago. Why not “go to” that highly efficient offense when he’s in the game and help the second unit be more productive?

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November 4, 2022 8:15 am
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Agreed. It is an effective play. Isn’t your second unit supposed to keep up the offensive pressure?
Who knows, maybe if you feed Holmes on the offensive end, it will boost his spirits on the defensive end.
Asking him to do something he is not good at negates his positives.

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November 3, 2022 12:15 pm

What team would even be remotely interested in Holmes? I can squint and see a fit with some teams, but there is not much out there. Maybe he adapts, maybe Brown works in some different action for him. Either way, something needs to change.

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November 3, 2022 12:31 pm
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Indy. Pair him back up with Hali for endless pick and rolls. I truly believe Hali was the key to Holmes’ success.

Let’s help the Lakers out and reunite Sabonis with Turner: Holmes, Westbrook, and the two Lakers picks to Indy. Myles Turner and Theis to Sac, Buddy and Barnes to LaLa Land.

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November 3, 2022 1:41 pm
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I really like the idea.

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November 3, 2022 3:07 pm
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Jack !
I can always rely on every trade you like or propose is one that I don’t like. This one fits that criteria.
I hope that one of your trade likes happens and it is successful for the Kings. But, that said, Turner and DS did not work well before and the Kings do not need 2 more centers

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November 3, 2022 4:04 pm
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I’m not sure there is that much evidence that Turner and Sabonis didn’t work well together. Sabonis’ two all-star seasons came while playing alongside Turner and for those 2 seasons Sabonis spent most of his time at the PF spot. They also made the playoffs 3 straight years together before other things in Indy caused a collapse

I feel like things went sideways for them when they fired Nate McMillan after 4 very good seasons and went with Bjorkgren who only lasted one season. Turner and Sabonis had 3 different coaches for 3 straight years, until the trade was made.

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November 3, 2022 4:14 pm
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I have another one. What about Barnes for Caris LaVert?

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November 3, 2022 1:50 pm
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I agree, that’s a pretty good trade, and seems like it makes each team better. Indy’s improvement would be more long-term, but they’re not trying to win a bunch of games this season anyway.

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November 3, 2022 1:55 pm
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That’s a pretty solid trade actually.

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November 3, 2022 1:59 pm
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I like it, but not sure abt reuniting Turner and Sabonis…it didn’t seem to work well before.

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November 3, 2022 2:04 pm
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Stagger ’em!

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November 4, 2022 9:00 pm
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My Debbie Downer take:

Lakers can already get Buddy and Myles…Does Barnes have a higher market value than Barnes? He shouldn’t.

Kings’s Sabonis already played with Turner. Didn’t seem to do much, which is why the Pacers moved on from both of them.

Pacers. Why are you bringing in Westbrook when Halliburton is lighting shit up? Westbrook can only hinder Halliburton with his play. Draft picks are nice though.

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November 3, 2022 1:39 pm
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I have always said that the Hornets needed Holmes and at the time could have been traded for P J Washington. Now that Washington has really improved in all aspects of his game no such trade will happen. PS I love Holmes and he was one of my favorite players.Only Holmes and maybe the Shadow knows but unless he figures it out he is hurting the Kings and more importantly himself. I still love the guy.

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November 3, 2022 3:08 pm
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ok, I do like Holmes for PJ but won’t happen now and did not happen then

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November 3, 2022 6:22 pm
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Yep!

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November 3, 2022 12:28 pm

/sad face

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November 3, 2022 12:34 pm

It has been pretty disappointing. He has always had limits: he doesn’t have great size, he is a poor passer, he is foul-prone. However, he made his way in the NBA by being a per-minute-monster coming off the bench and causing havoc filling the lane on a break, being relentless on the offensive boards, and being a high effort defender.

His being able to fill 12-20 minutes a night of Sabonis being on the bench for rest and foul trouble, and being one of the only vertical threats on the team, would go a long way towards this team not only maintaining the competitiveness they have shown so far, but changing some of those close games into wins.

Fox, Heurter, Sabonis, and Murray are all doing what I had hoped for, even with a few speed bumps. Monk seems like he is going to be effective as a bench catalyst, I appreciate his confidence and playmaking. Barnes is as adequate as ever. Mitchell has been lagging but I am not worried yet, and Lyles has some utility as a stretch 4 with size and shooting. If Holmes and Davis could just play average basketball for their skill set, I think the balance to the roster would be there, and the Kings could be in the mix for the 7-10 spot. Some decent performance from the 7-10 men could also be valuable as assets when trade season happens.

But Holmes needs to bring some juice into his performance. I just don’t understand how flat he is. Even if he is having trouble adjusting to a new system, error on the side of effort.

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November 4, 2022 5:29 pm
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Michael, spot on analysis.

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November 3, 2022 12:42 pm

Just a random thought, but it seems his production, regardless of minutes, took a nose dive right around the same time as his eye injures and his new wearing of eye protection. Could there be a connection?

It really is a bummer that Monte inked Holmes to a new and fairly expensive deal (for a starting non-all-star center) just a few months before trading and committing to building around Sabonis. I get that no one can read the future and what deals may come to pass, but the contract for Holmes doesn’t seem to have been done with foresight, as I would imagine Sabonis had been on Monte’s radar long before the trade happened.

Just a thought experiment, we have given praise for Monte not re-signing DDV because he viewed him as not apart of the Kings future plans, and also because Monte went out and traded for Huerter and signed Monk after the fact as DDV’s replacements. From that, shouldn’t we question the decision to ink Holmes to a long term deal then make a trade for his replacement?

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November 3, 2022 12:49 pm
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Maybe he had Sabonis on his radar, but deals don’t always happen. Perhaps signing Holmes was more of an asset management move in case a future trade never came to fruition?

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November 3, 2022 12:59 pm
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But re-signing Holmes as an “asset management move” doesn’t jive with Monte’s other decisions like not keeping Bogi or DDV.

I feel like he signed him as part of the long term plan and saw him as an ideal running mate with Hali, but then shifted gears with the Sabonis trade. That’s one of the most overlooked details that I questioned with the trade from the get go. Swapping Hali for Sabonis discussions aside, it also killed the play and value of Holmes, in addition to making him the most expensive backup center in the league. It’s a reason why I still don’t consider the trade a win for the Kings.

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November 3, 2022 1:47 pm
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But re-signing Holmes as an “asset management move” doesn’t jive with Monte’s other decisions like not keeping Bogi or DDV.

I think that it may have – my guess is that the front office had valuations for Bogi and Holmes. The market price for Bogi exceeded the front office’s valuations, so they let him go. Their offer to Holmes was within the valuation. DDV was a casualty of the Monk signing and Huerter trade, I’m guessing.

The trade for Sabonis occurred six months after they resigned Holmes, so I don’t think that you can look at it as a case where they should have seen what was on the horizon. And devaluing Holmes is certainly not a reason not to make the Sabonis trade. Additionally, Holmes may have retained some semblance of productivity had a pnr head coach been hired – again, the presence of Holmes is not a reason not to hire Mike Brown.

No doubt, the Holmes signing is not a win for the organization. But I don’t think that I see it as a “they should have known better” scenario. It was at the time of the signing a fair market-to-meh deal, one that has transformed into basically an unfortunate (but not egregious) MLE+.

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November 3, 2022 1:57 pm
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All this. Holmes excelled in his 2020-21, pre-Sabonis role, because the team was coincidentally built and run in a way that maximized his unique strengths. His re-signing was celebrated at the time for a reason–given the current roster construction and play philosophy, it was a good deal! But the key word here is “coincidentally”–Holmes is not a player you build around or consider when deciding to make other deals. He’s a role player, and role players have value only so far as their team has a role that fits them.

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November 3, 2022 1:56 pm
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This is a perfect example of why we shouldn’t judge draft picks or free agent signings immediately. I think Monte and others believed the roster he had put together going into the season after the Holmes signing would be effective and make a playoff run, so at the time, he was being praised for such a great value signing. That assumption turned out to be wrong, which is absolutely something Monte should be criticized for.

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November 3, 2022 1:56 pm
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This forum would have committed ritual suicide if McNair had failed to retain Holmes. Question everything, of course, but the signing was a good one. McNair isn’t on the hook for Holmes’ failure to live up to the contract (so far). All of us expected Holmes to keep doing what he’d been doing, and the only issue is that he hasn’t. That is solely on Richaun Holmes.

I do think he’s going to get his game back, though. Running P&R with the second unit seems like a great way to accelerate that.

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November 3, 2022 2:03 pm
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“From that, shouldn’t we question the decision to ink Holmes to a long term deal then make a trade for his replacement?”

Answer: No

Theres no way Monte could have known Sabonis would be available 16 months prior. “On his radar”… sure. As are the 400 or so other players in the league. It was a good deal when he signed him. The foresight thing is grasping at reasons to be critical. That’s not to say Monte is flawless but a good deal doesn’t become bad for the reasons you’re implying. In my opinion.

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November 3, 2022 4:24 pm
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I disagree to an extent on the foresight. GMs target players they want months, if not years, before going after them. I remember reading that the Heat and been angling and planning on obtaining Jimmy Butler while he was still with the T-Wolves. They made move and acquired players to position themselves to trade for him when the opportunity arose Teams clear cap space for free agent targets a year before they become available. Even Monte attempted to acquire DDV a year before he actually became a King.

As to good deal vs. bad deal, I too think Holmes deal was good at the time he signed it. It is fair value for a starting center at the production Holmes was providing. That being said, Holmes’ deal did become bad once Monte traded for Sabonis. He is now the most expensive backup center in the league and is playing poorly off the bench. He was fine as a starter, but that changed with the arrival of Sabonis.

IMO, Holmes is an unfortunate casualty of the Sabonis trade, which is something that I feel gets overlooked when it comes to Monte’s biggest move of his career. Here’s hoping that something can be salvaged of Holmes that would tip the the Hali/Sabonis into an obvious win for the Kings, because as of today, the “new” Holmes makes that trade a loss, IMO.

From all that, is it a stretch to say that Sabonis cost the Kings Hali, Buddy…and to an extent Holmes?

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November 3, 2022 6:00 pm
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Was Buddy a loss? Addition by subtraction?

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November 3, 2022 6:04 pm
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If Indy flips Buddy for a future pick, then maybe?

FYI, Buddy is having an excellent start to the season in Indy. Full admission, I wanted him and his contract gone, but still don’t like the fact that it cost Hali to do so.

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November 3, 2022 6:11 pm
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Do you really think it “cost” Haliburton to get rid of Buddy?

That is a much different perspective than I have given it. With so few good players ever hitting free agency anymore with extensions being the order of the day, I think contracts are the new cap space. I think McNair hung on to Buddy rather than trading him for spare parts because he new that to get a good player back he needed Buddy’s 20m/yr contract to be sending out for salary matching.

Buddy played well after the trade, and has played well this season, but that trade was Haliburton for Sabonis, Buddy went along for salary matching purposes as much for what he was going to contribute either on the floor or as a future asset.

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November 3, 2022 7:33 pm
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You are right, “cost” is the wrong term. The trade was Hali for Sabonis, and Buddy was just the contract filler to make numbers work.

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November 3, 2022 7:59 pm
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Not quite? To make the numbers work, wasn’t it Hali, and Buddy for Holiday, Lamb, and Sabonis. The Kings had no use for Holiday and Lamb, but Holiday helped get Huerter.

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November 3, 2022 8:38 pm
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I did not know if I was being naive, as Buddy is one of my top ten favorite Kings of all time.

Yeah. I know.

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November 4, 2022 11:17 am
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Do you really think it “cost” Haliburton to get rid of Buddy?

At the time I did. But, thinking and reflecting on it, I think Indy wasn’t that concerned about Buddy either way. Buddy was simply the cost of doing business and Hali was worth getting more than acquiring Buddy would hurt in the aggregate. If you’re rebuilding, you have to 20M AAV to Buddy Hield is not that hefty a price in today’s day and age. The Pacers have 27M in cap space. They could trade Buddy for Westbrook straight up if they wanted.

As much as I thought it was difficult trading Buddy, I don’t think it was actually in retrospect. Mainly because there’s no such thing as a bad contract anymore.

I don’t think Indy gets a ton for Buddy in return (Caris LeVert return might be the best case scenario), but trading him shouldn’t be difficult at the deadline with a team looking for shooting and what not.

That all said, I’m glad the Kings gave up Buddy instead of Harrison Barnes. And moving on from Buddy, and Bagley for that matter, allows you to create better team building opportunities.

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November 3, 2022 12:47 pm

Warriors trade make sense? With their start of season struggles and bench problems maybe Barnes and Holmes to the Dubs makes some sense? Although I’m not sure they can make the salaries work.

I listen to Bay Area sports talk radio and the fans in the bay are starting to worry about their title repeat prospects due to the bench depth. The young guys aren’t up for the challenge just yet so it seems.

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November 3, 2022 1:04 pm

I would have liked Damian Jones behind Sabonis in this offense, and maybe, just maybe Jones could have logged a little situational time next to Domas as well. Alas, it was not to be.

I like Holmes, and for his sake I hope that the Kings can find a destination for him that is more conducive to his style of play.

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November 3, 2022 2:12 pm
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This! 100%. Trading Holmes in the off-season and keeping Jones was what should have happened. That I can be critical of when evaluating the entirety of Monte’s time as GM in Sactown. I was pushing for that exact scenario all off season. Even went as far as saying that not trading Barnes and Holmes before the season would be a failure. I still think it was even though I can see the reasoning for keeping Barnes for a playoff push. Not the case for Holmes when you have guys like Jones, Len and Nemi to fill the hole left by the Holmes trade departure. A late future first and an expiring deal for a player a team wants to move on from would have been worth it in my book.

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November 3, 2022 2:45 pm
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Pure guess on my part, but I don’t think that Holmes had any value by season’s end, especially with the personal turmoil mixed in. I would have dealt Holmes for a 2nd rounder that never conveyed, but the front office has certainly placed different values on Kings players than I have (not to say that they are right or wrong, just different), so they stood pat.

Jones signed a 2/$4.9m deal with the Lakers. I sure would have loved to have had him at anything in that range – 2/$6m would have been fine with me.

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November 4, 2022 3:37 pm
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How do you know they didn’t try and trade Holmes? It always makes me laugh when people get all bent out of shape because a trade or move was not made. There is a very real possibility that nobody wanted him. You can’t just trade a guy nobody wants.

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November 3, 2022 1:27 pm

Contract Time with the Kings

Monte: “Richaun got zero interest from any other team.”

Vivek: “Go on.”

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November 3, 2022 2:16 pm
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I know this is supposed to be funny but I’m tired of the make believe criticism of Vivek. There’s plenty of real stuff to be critical of. I’m just being uptight and I know that, so no offense intended.

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November 3, 2022 2:21 pm
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I think Vivek has gotten better about staying out of basketball decisions, but unfortunately for him, it will take a LONG time for many of us to forget some of the things he did, especially early on in his ownership, but even today (Stockton’s assistant GM comes to mind). Wow, that was a terrible run-on sentence by me….

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November 4, 2022 9:17 am
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Long time to forget? Sure. Beating a thing into the ground, particularly when it isn’t germane? No thank you.

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November 4, 2022 9:16 am
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Agreed. It’s boring, and a cheap way to get thumbs up. Before today, anyhow.

When I’m in charge of the internet, a person will only be able to use a single meme five times, after which, fingers begin being chopped off. It’ll really bring out the creativity in people.

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November 3, 2022 2:23 pm

for The record: Holmes Barnes Davion and Davis are all having slow starts/disappointing play so far. There’s a few of those guys on every team.

So… it should be possible to make a swap for those “same guys” on other teams that could work out for everyone. Easier said than done sure but it’s doable.

holmes could very well get out of this funk too. I expect Barnes and Davion to do just that. I feel similar confidence about Holmes and Davis.

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November 3, 2022 3:51 pm

Is there anything in Kevon Looney’s game that Holmes can try to successfully replicate?

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November 3, 2022 4:04 pm
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Play with future hall of famers?

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November 3, 2022 3:52 pm

If Holmes doesn’t re-engage soon , much like Maverick in a dog fight, I am all for moving on to Queta and his solid screens, eagerness to try and block shots and his mobility, to take over the 14 backup keep minutes. I think Len doesn’t offer anything but height. He has slowed and lost his vertical.

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November 3, 2022 4:11 pm
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I agree that Queta should be given some burn to see how he handles game situations. Maybe Brown sees something in practices that tells him “no.”

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November 3, 2022 4:53 pm

OT: I’m so glad this guy isn’t a King. He’s such a distraction for all the wrong reasons.

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November 3, 2022 5:06 pm
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As it’s for not disavowing anti-semitism, the suspension should run eight game. Call it the Passover or Hanukkah suspension, take your choice.

What. A. Douche.

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November 3, 2022 5:14 pm
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Words and actions have consequences. Imagine if a public school teacher shared with a few dozen students what Kyrie shared with his millions of followers?

They’d be out of a job and career.

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November 3, 2022 5:46 pm
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I don’t understand that at all.

why the reporter is asking Irving that non-basketball related question ?

I mean, it’s seems to be a little bit of trap to me.

And of course, made me think of Grant and Boogie.
(Imagine Boogie did not ask Grant for his opinion. Grant will still be our announcer)

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November 3, 2022 5:54 pm

The trap is Kyrie promoting anti-semitic garbage to his vast number of Twitter followers.

Same with Cousins / Grant. The problem is not Cousins’ question. It’s Napear’s answer.

What am I missing here?

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November 3, 2022 6:47 pm
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Just this….he isn’t looking too good these days….

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November 4, 2022 9:18 am
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I do miss play-by-play Grant. What we fans have now is just, well, not very good.

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November 3, 2022 6:08 pm

why the reporter is asking Irving that non-basketball related question ?

Why is Kyrie posting non-baskeball related antisemitic garbage?

It goes both ways, and it’s a trap that Kyrie built for himself.

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November 3, 2022 6:42 pm

I miss broadcast peaches, but we all knew who peaches was. It is very clear that peaches is uber MAGA, he made that clear on the radio so I hope he becomes destitute.

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November 3, 2022 9:08 pm

why the reporter is asking Irving that non-basketball related question 

Anti-Semitism isn’t something that people should just sweep under the rug. It is harmful, don’t you think?

Some things are bigger than basketball and need paying attention to.

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November 3, 2022 10:13 pm

I don’t remember the NBA telling anyone to apologize when they were allowing generalized statements about all white people a couple years back.

Megan Rapinoe was even allowed her “Dear white people” speech at the ESPYs.

All these people are just as racist as the people they condemn. From Kyrie and all the way down the list. The only difference is certain types of racism are allowed as some sort of make up call for the crimes that people committed decades ago.

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November 3, 2022 10:55 pm
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What “generalized statements about all white people” are you talking about? Examples?

The only difference is certain types of racism are allowed as some sort of make up call for the crimes that people committed decades ago.

Wut. Are you being repressed?

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November 4, 2022 1:54 pm
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Did you miss all of the anti white rhetoric during 2020 when they messaged all white people and blanketed them under this cloak of “privilege” that they imagined every white person gets to wear as a badge of honor every day? They simply generalized all white people as being the same thing. It’s racism.

Do you have a real response or are you just going to go with generalized hyperbole because you have no argument for it?

If Megan Rapinoe went on stage and told all black people how they need to change and how they need to start thinking going forward, the collective sports world would lose their shit. But she said it about white people so that’s an okay racist generalization to make because you’ve been conditioned to believe that that is an acceptable form of racism the same way many of our grandparents were conditioned to believe their own forms of racism. You don’t realize it the same way they didn’t realize it at the time because you think it is the right thing to do. Wake up and start treating everyone with the same respect.

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November 4, 2022 6:29 am
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Dissin’ white people may be dumb and bigoted, but it’s not racism. Only people who are very unaware or very racist believe white people are threatened or disadvantaged. The only threat to “white people”is that they won’t be the majority.

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Daydreamer, you actually believe that you can’t be racist toward white people? You are being racist in that very post by generalizing that white people feel threatened by feeling like they won’t be the majority. You are making negative blanket statements about a race. That is racism.

The only reason why you don’t think it’s racism is because you have justified in your head why it is okay to make racist statements against white people. You think that your reasoning makes it okay and righteous to think that way.

White supremacists think exactly the same way. They justify why they don’t like other races and then they think that is okay because they think that their reasoning is righteous and just. It’s the same exact thing that is going through your head. Lay off the propaganda.

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November 4, 2022 9:21 am

Kyrie was the one who brought it up, because he can’t resist showing everyone how “smart” he is. The press would be negligent in not following up on something so ugly and potentially-harmful.

It’d be great if political press did the same, but that on;y happens in healthy democracies.

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November 3, 2022 6:30 pm
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I know you are not on Twitter Rob, but I have always wondered what this tweet from Steven A Smith really meant. I imagine there is some pretty wild things that Kyrie has been involved in, he seems to have ceased to exist in the real world.

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November 3, 2022 7:11 pm
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Not to mention that a five-game suspension would allow him to come back in time for the Kings visit to Brooklyn. My guess is that he will stick to his misguided “principles” so that the the suspension will wind up being for many more games.

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November 3, 2022 6:23 pm
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Guy is absolute poison. Did not want to be in Cleveland with LeBron James. Why? Because James was better than he was? How many championships could they have won together if KI hadn’t been a nut-case?

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November 3, 2022 8:12 pm
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If you had to have one on your team until death. KI or Bagley?

Leaning towards taking Bagley but I draw the line at his Daddy.

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November 3, 2022 9:05 pm

Hmmm, I would be: AnybodyButKyrie

Bagley is a normal person.
Kyrie is wacko.

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November 3, 2022 10:15 pm
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There is a difference between dumb and ass hole.

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November 4, 2022 8:22 am

In Kyrie’s case,

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November 4, 2022 9:29 am

My word, you are incredibly single-minded.

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November 4, 2022 9:46 am
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You still dance?

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November 3, 2022 7:54 pm

Holmes was lost to injury and personal issues. Holmes found himself on a roster that was not built with any considerations for his abilities.

Holmes is not lost. The team he was successful with is gone.

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November 4, 2022 9:51 am

“Holmes has been nothing but bad for Sacramento over the first seven games of the season, especially on the defensive side of things.” Couldn’t disagree more. Give him more playing time and let him do his thing.

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