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Welcome back to Chainmail! Over the last week, a few things have happened with the Kings and in the league in general:

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Hobby916
December 4, 2020 7:52 am

What is your breaking point as a King’s fans (if any)?

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 8:05 am
Reply to  Hobby916

Did I mention the power forward thing?

TheFifthMookie
December 4, 2020 8:46 am
Reply to  Hobby916

Oh that was not offering harry Giles another year after not drafting Luka for me.

If it weren’t for TKH, I’d have no reason to follow this franchise right now.

Gregoryl
December 4, 2020 8:56 am
Reply to  Hobby916

You’re asking the wrong people…

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 7:59 am

What would happen if the Kings got a starting quality power forward? The draft thing we had Tillman for a second .. I went to bed smiling ..
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Bbmuteman
December 4, 2020 8:37 am
Reply to  ZillersCat

I take it you’re not a big fan of barnes in the role? 🙂

BestHyperboleEver
December 4, 2020 8:43 am
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Barnes is fine in the role. Assuming you have him on the cheap and are able to put 3-4 better good-to-great players around him. Including excellent rebounders at SF and C.

RandyBreuersNeckHair
December 4, 2020 7:59 am

In a perfect world, who are we drafting next year?

BestHyperboleEver
December 4, 2020 8:13 am

Cade Cunningham…. at #30.

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 8:20 am

Picking 30th would be awesome.

SMF-PDXConnection
December 4, 2020 8:02 am

What do you think the threshold is for the league to suspend play again due to the pandemic affecting teams? They clearly seem to be indicating that a few players testing positive on teams won’t break the system and disrupt the schedule, but given the worsening state of the pandemic in this country (for a variety of reasons I won’t rant about), it seems unlikely that they won’t face an impact at some point. Just looking at the chaos that happened with baseball and football, it’s hard to see the 20/21 schedule finishing as planned.

andy_sims
December 4, 2020 9:12 am

This is an excellent question. With no bubble, it will be simply impossible to keep players and personnel from being exposed.

Adamsite
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December 4, 2020 9:18 am

I think something to add to that question, is will there be basketball games played in California if the new regions drop to that 15% available ICU beds. From my understanding at that point the games can’t be played and even hotels are forbidden to have non-essential guests.

Will that Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, and Kings be allowed to play in the state?

SMF-PDXConnection
December 4, 2020 11:05 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Yeah, excellent point as well. The NBA can only have teams play at home as long as the local jurisdictions allow it. Now, places like Texas, Florida, and Tennessee will probably keep things “business as usual,” but what about California, New York, Illinois, etc? It’s one thing for the 49ers to relocate for three weeks (minimum), but the NBA scrambling to relocate 4, 5, 10 teams? There’s no way you work around that.

Otis
December 4, 2020 9:41 am

I suspect the NBA’s arrangement for the new season is unlikely to meet with Dr. Fauci’s blessing, as the bubble did. This thing is getting exponentially worse, as expected.

SierraSpartan
December 4, 2020 8:04 am

If a train left Chicago traveling west at 60 MPH at 3:00 PM, and another train left Los Angeles traveling east at 50 MPH at 5:00 PM, would Luke Walton still try to run a base half-court offense with this roster?

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 8:08 am
Reply to  SierraSpartan

Does Buddy bring the ball up or No?

jwalker1395
December 4, 2020 8:07 am

How many minutes can we expect Tyrese, Woodard, Ramsey, DaQuan, and even James to play? I suppose I could throw in Bagley too for that matter.

RandyBreuersNeckHair
December 4, 2020 8:17 am
Reply to  jwalker1395

Don’t throw Bagley in. You’ll break him.

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 8:22 am

You haven’t seen the Kings alternate uniforms yet?comment image

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December 4, 2020 9:04 am
Reply to  ZillersCat

What in the seven Sacramento hell is that hand sign?

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 9:39 am

Na-No Na-No
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Marty
December 4, 2020 10:37 am

Inverted “L” using all five fingers suggests a ten game losing streak.

SierraSpartan
December 4, 2020 10:32 am
Reply to  ZillersCat

Zoltan!

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 8:28 am

In Phil Jackson’s day they were more bulky ..
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Marty
December 4, 2020 10:55 am
Reply to  ZillersCat

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jwalker1395
December 4, 2020 9:02 am

*gently lays Bagley into the conversation*

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HongKongKingsFan
December 4, 2020 8:20 am

For the PF position, it seems we are locked with BJelly, Bagley and Parker….

How possible would the rotation be in the PF position…?
(as I think it would be a complete waste of talent of Parker (a true #2 pick), if he stay in the bench-end)

Hobby916
December 4, 2020 8:45 am

I forgot that Parker was a #2 pick along with Bagley. Are we cornering the market on failed #2 picks from Duke?

BestHyperboleEver
December 4, 2020 8:52 am
Reply to  Hobby916

Well, Danny Ferry WAS in the initial brainstorming for new GMs.

Hobby916
December 4, 2020 8:53 am

Seeing a trend…

jwalker1395
December 4, 2020 9:07 am

Fairly certain Bjelly gets traded to a contender for a pick or in a package to make someone believe they’re actually getting a good deal taking on Buddy

andy_sims
December 4, 2020 9:21 am
Reply to  jwalker1395

Yeah, a team that needs shooting for a playoff run will certainly require a sweetener thrown in to convince them to trade for a career 41.1% three-point shooter, who in a down year managed to make 39.4% of his threes.

Buddy may have worn out his welcome around here, but ultimately, he’s on a good contract for a player with a truly elite skill. McNair isn’t going to dump him for nothing.

RORDOG
December 4, 2020 9:42 am

Im actually semi-excited for some jabari Parker small ball 5 minutes this season.

Otis
December 4, 2020 9:44 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Im actually semi-excited for some jabari Parker small ball 5 minutes this season.

This type of thing is when you know you’ve been quarantined too long.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 9:53 am
Reply to  RORDOG

I want your drugs and I want them now. Except for your AMPM silliness, my bowels are unhappy with me just the right amount atm.

RORDOG
December 4, 2020 10:45 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

LOL Parker was actually good on offense last season! I think putting him at center actually hides some of his defensive limitations as odd as that sounds. They did it in the bubble a few times, and it wasn’t horrible.

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Otis
December 4, 2020 10:47 am
Reply to  RORDOG

That was…uh…over 80 minutes. I suspect you’d see a reduced rate of return over a larger sample set.

RORDOG
December 4, 2020 11:26 am
Reply to  Otis

I didn’t say that means he will be good this season! I just liked what I saw in limited minutes at center last season, and I’m semi-excited to see more of it this season. It’s the type of “let’s get weird” stuff that I enjoy.

FarmerGuy
December 4, 2020 8:28 am

Now that most(or all) of the final free agency moves have been made:

Who do you predict makes the final roster?

And

What is your predicted depth chart to start the season?

December 4, 2020 8:40 am

How many days will it take for Justin James and Jabari Parker to be cut?

How much money can the community raise to buy a Chipotle gift card to be given to the person (anyone, including KH staff) who makes Richard say something optimistic about the Kings?

BestHyperboleEver
December 4, 2020 8:45 am
Reply to  socksofthewiz

Richard can’t be bought!

December 4, 2020 8:53 am

We’re not buying Richard, we’re starting a competition to trick him into saying something positive!

andy_sims
December 4, 2020 9:22 am

Paying for Richard is just sad. Take a shower and clean yourself up, it’ll happen.

IvanowskiNBA
Member
December 4, 2020 1:56 pm

Not with Chipotle. A few crunchwrap supremes would do it though.

December 4, 2020 9:02 am

Will we be able to get out of this basketball hell or are we just pawns for the eventual suffering of the human race as a whole?

Also, who did Sacramento piss off that put us in this hell in the first place.

ZillersCat
December 4, 2020 9:24 am

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MichaelMack
December 4, 2020 9:03 am

I have been eager to see the article on commenter analytics, not just the round numbers of who has the most comments and the most likes, but also maybe which reader likes the most comments. You can drill down a bit to see in those round numbers of most comments and most likes, who is the chucker and who is most efficient? Who averages the most likes per comment? Who is the most replied to? Who replies the most to other comments in a thread? Who has commented on the highest percentage of articles? Who averages the most comments per article? I am sure there are plenty more that Tim and Will are tracking.

I have my thoughts on what these respective leaderboards are gonna look like.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 9:04 am
Reply to  MichaelMack

Only thing I can say about this is I’m not #1 on any of these leaderboards. Which is just alright by me. Just as Jesus is. But I digress.

MichaelMack
December 4, 2020 9:05 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Well, I did delete the suggestion of who has the highest average word count per comment, I know your distaste for accolades.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 9:10 am
Reply to  MichaelMack

Zebra could give me a solid run for the money on the word count per comment Mike!

Kosta
December 4, 2020 10:58 am
Reply to  MichaelMack

Klam has TWO nostradumbass medals. (And they were back to back championships!)

MichaelMack
December 4, 2020 11:56 am
Reply to  Kosta

This is the stuff right here. I totally forgot about whose gif/meme game is strongest.

Klam
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December 4, 2020 2:53 pm
Reply to  MichaelMack

That award would definitely go to Rob or Kosta.

Adamsite
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December 4, 2020 9:13 am

OT: New Amick article is up at the Athletic (paywall). It is worth a read, but I’ll just leave this little tidbit here. Discuss.

One final note on this front: During those two days where the Kings pondered the decision of whether to match Bogdanovic’s deal, the Hawks were concerned they might not land him, in large part, because of what had taken place before the offer sheet had been signed. Sources say Atlanta offered Sacramento its 2022 first-round pick (via Oklahoma City) in a previous sign-and-trade scenario and was rebuffed. And while that pick wasn’t an asset to write home about — it’s protected top 14 in 2022 and becomes two second-rounders (2024 and 2025) if it’s not conveyed — it was better than nothing.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 9:25 am
Reply to  Adamsite

I just…..I don’t even know what to say at this point. How stupid do you have to be to turn down a 1st round pick for a RFA that your GM doesn’t think is part of your future plans (despite the fact he is a NBA player)?

All I have here is expletives for Vivek Ranadive and his crew running shit. You cost your team an asset because YOU’RE FUCKING INCOMPETENT. Thanks dipshits. This story had better not be true or parts of it are being embellished. Because otherwise, I just don’t even understand why you would say NO to a S&T with a 1st round pick AND an okay sized TPE (9million) coming back. WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Motherfucker.

jwalker1395
December 4, 2020 9:30 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Especially with the war chest of cash Atlanta had going into the offseason, it would’ve been too obvious that they were gonna run up the cost to wrest Bogi from Sac.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 9:30 am
Reply to  jwalker1395

Precisely jwalker.

Gregoryl
December 4, 2020 9:33 am
Reply to  Adamsite

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Hobby916
December 4, 2020 9:37 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Was the previous S&T offer before or after the Milwaukee deal? If it was before the Bucks topic, then I could see turning down the Hawks offer. If it was after the fiasco with the Bucks, did the Hawks offer the same S&T offer? Is this a “better deals two days ago” incident again?

Gregoryl
December 4, 2020 9:37 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Will be interesting to see if the Bucks basically choosing Jrue over BB8 will affect Giannis signing his super-mex.

ArcoThunder
December 4, 2020 9:49 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Shit, just when I was starting to simmer down from all of this a week or so ago. I was just starting to get some excitement going again. My anger over how Bogi was handled or not handled or not chosen over buddy was subsiding.

I’m not even mad.

I’m just sad.

how depressing

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RORDOG
December 4, 2020 9:54 am
Reply to  Adamsite

My reading comprehension must not be very good. I don’t really understand the timeline on this. Did they discuss the Hawks S&T after the Bucks deal fell through, but before he signed the offer sheet?

Otis
December 4, 2020 9:56 am
Reply to  RORDOG

I was wondering the same thing…the timing certainly matters on this.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 10:10 am
Reply to  Otis

While I’m willing to throw Vivek under the bus for….well anything….I’m happy to see this is probably what happened. It makes sense and probably why Vivek wanted to match once the Hawks offered up the offer sheet. He’s horrible at dealing with people but he’s not completely stupid.

I just wish my first assumption reading these things wasn’t “What did Vivek fuck up this time?”

ArcoThunder
December 4, 2020 10:53 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I’m curious how you put none of this on Monty?

when stupid shit happens it’s Vlade and Vivek. When we pick Haliburton it’s Monty.

I know we want him to be good and all but we don’t need to lie to ourselves about him.

he’s done some good things so far and some not so good things.

depending on the details here this could be really really bad.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 12:17 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Well, what can I put on Monty? What did Monty do exactly to make you believe he’s committed a sin here?

The real guilty party is I think Bogi and his agent specifically. His agent played the Bucks and Hawks off each other, and caught the Kings in the middle. When that happened, I think Vivek and Aneel believed the best thing they could do is match rather than let a crummy agent dictate things.

The problem is when you do that now you’re throwing away your leverage. And ultimately, that’s where I think we’re at. If Vivek scuttled the deal AFTER the Milwaukee S&T (which is how I initially read it), there’s a major problem. If that happened at the same time as the proposed S&T and the Kings chose DiVincenzo, okay, I get that. I would have disagreed and preferred the 1st rounder to DD but that’s relatively minor asset wise. There’s nothing wrong with preferring a NBA player to an unknown.

So while I’m not a fan of Vivek or his managing style, I can’t really blame him for things he doesn’t have control. I certainly can’t blame anyone for my misinterpretation. That said, Vivek has a body of work that suggests you can’t trust him. Until Monte develops that same reputation (and I’m willing to give him a chance until I feel comfortable stating what I think about the guy), I’m going to give Monte McNair that benefit of the doubt. What’s unfortunate about this is they felt the need to leak that there was back and forth between Vivek and Monte about matching/not matching. If Monte is going to turn this thing around, he needs to be allowed to execute his vision. That includes doing things that are unpopular like the non-match in Bogi’s case.

So, if that doesn’t answer your question, I don’t see what will.

RORDOG
December 4, 2020 10:24 am
Reply to  Otis

I don’t want try to make excuses for McNair, but there has to be more to the story. Saying “nah we’re cool we don’t need a FRP, you can just have Bogi for nothing” just doesn’t make any sense. The thing that immediately came to my mind was the other thing Amick said about the situation after the offer sheet was signed, but before they decided not to match:

There’s a couple of plausible scenarios that I see:

  1. The Kings turned down the S&T because they were confident they could trade Buddy and retain Bogi. Then they found out there was no trade market for Buddy, so they just let Bogi walk
  2. Vivekaneel essentially vetoed the S&T because they wanted McNair to match the impending offer sheet. Then there was some sort of power struggle over the weekend about McNair’s autonomy to make basketball decisions. Ultimately, they backed down, but only after the S&T was off the table
SierraSpartan
December 4, 2020 10:47 am
Reply to  RORDOG

If #2 above is true, then I’m hoping that there was some sort of “either I get full autonomy like you promised or I’m outta here” conversation between Monte and Vivek/Spawn.

You would think that by now Vivek would have learned that his sum knowledge of NBA basketball amounts to the combination of jack and shit.

Alas…

Dude is one of the dumbest smart people on the planet.

ArcoThunder
December 4, 2020 11:07 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Number one is not a thing.

this “no trade market” for buddy has to stop. John Wall just got traded. There’s a trade market for Buddy Hield. Period.

if someone comes calling for buddy you can leave with the better end of the deal. If you call shopping buddy then the other team is likely getting the better end of the deal. It’s leverage.

It’s always been my take that we needed to trade Buddy and keep Bogi. We didn’t need to “win” on a Buddy trade two weeks ago. Whatever the return, there would have been value in some form. Either draft picks or talented players. Now, with Bogi walking for nothing and committing to Buddy, we HAVE TO WIN any future Buddy deal. Sadly I think that’s going to be really hard to do.

this could be where Monty redeems himself

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 12:18 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

There’s a couple of plausible scenarios that I see:

The Kings turned down the S&T because they were confident they could trade Buddy and retain Bogi. Then they found out there was no trade market for Buddy, so they just let Bogi walk

Vivekaneel essentially vetoed the S&T because they wanted McNair to match the impending offer sheet. Then there was some sort of power struggle over the weekend about McNair’s autonomy to make basketball decisions. Ultimately, they backed down, but only after the S&T was off the table

Both of these scenario’s are just….oh my goodness so many levels of bad Rory. I don’t even know where to begin.

RORDOG
December 4, 2020 1:18 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Yeah there’s just no good way to spin it.

ForKingsandCountry
December 4, 2020 10:59 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Yeah the timeline is pretty key here. If this was before the Bucks deal fell through, then it’s entirely plausible they valued Donte over the pick. If not, it leads me to believe there had to be something else going on (Vivek meddling) or Monte is just as dumb as Vlade. I don’t suspect a guy with his resume is as dumb as Vlade but I’ve made that mistake before.

Chent
December 4, 2020 10:09 am

1. Have you guys paid any attention to the ’21 draft class and who do you like in the 4- 8ish range? I say 4-8 because I try not to get too hopeful for guys where we are unlikely to be selecting.

2. Any early thoughts of ’21 free agent class and who would you want the Kings to pursue?

My answers:
1. I really like Zaire Williams, Evan Mobley, Terrence Clarke, Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson.

2. I think Kelly Oubre would be a good fit and obtainable with a contract similar to what we let Bogi go for.

Kingsguru21
December 4, 2020 10:12 am

What kind of numbers do you think De’Aaron Fox has to average to make him worth the max extension? And rather than make this just individual numbers, you can add win totals and the like. What does a successful extension look like from the Kings perspective in your mind?

ArcoThunder
December 4, 2020 10:17 am

Pete D – Isiah Thomas

Vlade – The Philly deal

Monty – Bogi

Marty
December 4, 2020 10:36 am

A text exchange with my Kings buddy that we’ve probably written dozens of times went, “Kings need to completely overhaul their broadcast team.” Well, here we are. How are you feeling about things?

RobHessing
December 4, 2020 10:55 am

What color “Jerry Christmas” sweatshirt are you buying?

meadsdman
December 4, 2020 11:54 am

All this outrage about the trade they didn’t make is hilarious. The Bucks deal was much better and I’m glad Monte tried to get more. Bogi or his agent screwed the Kings out of the better trade. If they don’t want to be in Sac, better that they move on.

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