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Welcome back to Chainmail! Over the last few weeks, a bevy of rumors and leaks and reports have hit both the Kings and the NBA as draft night approaches.

  • Marvin Bagley "liked" a tweet indicating that he should be traded, declined to state he wanted to stay in Sacramento in a subsequent podcast, and his PR person blamed everyone but her client for Marvin's struggles.
  • The Kings have brought in some of the highest-ranked names in recent history for their draft workouts and interviews, including Scottie Barnes (5th ranked on ESPN), James Bouknight (8th), Keon Johnson (9th), Jalen Johnson (12th), Corey Kispert (13th), Alperen Sengun (14th), Moses Moody (17th), Kai Jones (20th), and Ziaire Williams (24th). That's pretty impressive, especially when considering the previous regime's track record.
  • Speaking of the draft, James Ham of NBCS posted a mock draft in which he stated that "Sacramento will likely shop this pick all the way until they are on the clock, but if they stick at No. 9 and Moody drops this far, there is a good chance he is the guy." We've known for quite a while that the Kings are looking to upgrade on draft night, but hearing it stated so plainly from such an interesting source is an interesting twist, as is Moody being so highly ranked.
  • The Kings were linked to Nerlens Noel as a possible Richaun Holmes replacement, as it's seeming more and more likely by the day that Holmes will be getting paid more than the Kings can realistically afford in free agency.
  • Outside of the Sacramento, a trio of talented guards is apparently available. The Cleveland Cavaliers are shopping Collin Sexton, the Philadelphia 76ers continue to look to deal Ben Simmons, and the New Orleans Pelicans are reportedly okay with letting restricted free agent Lonzo Ball walk if he receives a big contract offer.

Plenty of other things have happened in and outside of Sacramento in the last few days, so get to asking, so we can get to answering!

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outrider
July 19, 2021 10:12 am

Assuming we stay at #9, who’s your guy and why (of those projected to be available at that slot)? Somewhat related, who could be this year’s Tyrese and slide?

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1951
July 19, 2021 10:23 am

Make the case for hope.

I don’t even know why I ask, maybe just to be a masochist. /shrugs

1951
July 19, 2021 10:33 am
Reply to  1951

Wow. Someone really doesn’t want to read the case for hope! 😉

RikSmits
July 19, 2021 11:23 am
Reply to  1951

Some people don’t like fiction.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 11:47 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Purp(le) Fiction
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(sees gold Kings jersey inside briefcase)

Amonk81
July 19, 2021 6:48 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Or does the case hold the reason Vlade passed on Luca?

….And was dumb enough to follow that up by picking the worst player in the top 10-15

WizsSox
July 19, 2021 10:27 am

What do you think the odds of Kuminga sliding to the Kings are? Barnes is getting lots of hype around 5 to Orlando. If that happens, what will OKC do? Kuminga doesn’t seem like obvious fit at 7 for GSW and at #8 would Orlando go for another big wing with Barnes and Isaac already on board?

Not sure it’s likely but it seems in the realm of possibility for him to drop. I know he has holes, but since he reclassified and graduated early he is a full year younger than Mobley, Cade, Suggs, Johnson etc. Should the Kings jump on that if he slides like Tyrese did last year?

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:07 am
Reply to  WizsSox

Personally, I would say they should absolutely jump on that.

WizsSox
July 19, 2021 11:36 am

Me too. I’ve seen the knocks against him, but I just imagine where would he be ranked next draft if he was getting ready to start his freshmen season and had a whole more year under his built like the rest of these guys. Well worth the gamble to me and doesn’t feel impossible that Orlando (If they go Barnes at 5) or OKC may pass.

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jwalker1395
July 19, 2021 2:08 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Kuminga has been the guy I’ve suspected is quietly falling around the league despite consistently being taken top 6 in every mock draft I’ve seen. I read OKC wants Barnes or Bouknight, and if Kuminga gets to them they might take Bouk. Then it’s up to the Warriors to decide if the talent outweighs the bad fit, but I suspect they may just want a Moody/Mitchell and Kispert combination of players to plug straight into the team. And as you said, Orlando isn’t going with Kuminga AND Barnes.

I think there’s a very real chance one of the top guys takes a tumble and it shapes the course of the entire draft (to the Kings benefit we can only hope).

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:20 pm
Reply to  jwalker1395

we are totally on same page.
Despite all the protestations to take best player available, most teams go with fit.

HongKongKingsFan
July 19, 2021 5:02 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

I would be extremely excited to see Kuminga drops to us………….

It’s would made us a huge win in off-season………..

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:17 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Orlando takes Barnes at 5. OKC wavers between Kuminga and Bouknight at 6. duds take whoever they do not take although Kuminga not a great fit( too young) so they may go Mitchell. At 8- does Orlando take another wing- Kuminga? or Sengun? or Moody?
If Kuminga falls to 9, take him. What is consolation prize: Moody, Wagner or Sengun- not perfect but not bad. duds people say they would “love it” if Kuminga falls but he is too young- way off the time line, plays same position as Wiggins and is actually for a couple of years- worse than Oubre who they did not like.
So I think they pass on him. If they cannot trade pick – and the Simmonds move is slowing all trades down to a crawl- then they may go Mitchell + Kispert. Not the best players but the best immediate 3 year fit.

andy_sims
July 19, 2021 10:28 am

Q: With so many interesting things going on, why is the top bullet point the nothingburger about Marvin Bagley liking a tweet? Seems like the organization actually bringing in a wide variety of players likely to be available at nine is more of a story, given that no one can remember the last time it happened.

1951
July 19, 2021 10:32 am
Reply to  BabyGiraffe

But Andy said it’s a nothingburger so you can edit it out now! The blog should be tailor made just for him, after all.

😉

RobHessing
July 19, 2021 10:31 am
Reply to  andy_sims

Q: Does questioning the order of bullet point questions officially signal the beginning of silly season?

1951
July 19, 2021 10:34 am
Reply to  RobHessing

Does silly season ever really end in the world of Kings fandom?

Hozr
July 19, 2021 10:57 am
Reply to  1951

Exactly. It’s like California’s fire season, it now covers the entire calendar year.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 4:55 pm
Reply to  Hozr

How about the entire Kings calendar year?
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Amonk81
July 19, 2021 6:51 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

It’s a nothing burger? Oh, it’s a burger alright. As was his absence from the bench, his lack of D, right hand, passing etc.

1951
July 19, 2021 10:36 am

Is Moses Moody the Kings only hope at breaking the curse?

Have we acknowledged this about Moses Moody on this sub yet? from kings

Comments_404
July 19, 2021 11:02 am
Reply to  1951

The Prophecy 2.0!!

This time, we’ll get it right, right?

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:08 am
Reply to  Comments_404

I don’t know. Basketba’al doesn’t tend to like it when you’re given a gift like 2018 and you spit in his/her/their face.

Bbmuteman
July 19, 2021 11:43 am
Reply to  Comments_404

Kings won’t get it right until 3.0. 😉

rockbottom
July 19, 2021 11:04 am
Reply to  1951

Makes perfect sense to me ! The BBall Gods will save us !

TheBanquetBear
July 19, 2021 12:20 pm
Reply to  1951

To add to the Moses Moody discussion, why do you think he is ranked so low compared to the other prospects (16/17) but still being mocked so high in the draft(6-10)? Is this just a case of upside not being reflected in rankings, or more that his position means that he will be drafted higher than his rank when compared to other prospects as far as fit goes?

Otis
July 19, 2021 12:58 pm
Reply to  1951

“Also a good rebounder for his size” is <chef’s kiss>.

rockbottom
July 19, 2021 11:00 am

Not very encouraging if team loses Holmes and gets Noel ! Also, Moody is probably OK as a pick but does little to improve roster next season ! Best start 2022 lottery watch now !

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:21 pm
Reply to  rockbottom

lots and lots of big guys in 2022.

Hobby916
July 19, 2021 11:02 am

Will the Kings be drafting Chet Holmgren next year?

RikSmits
July 19, 2021 11:17 am
Reply to  Hobby916

If you could choose between drafting Holmgren or Wembanyama, who would you pick?

Hobby916
July 19, 2021 11:49 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Holmgren. I like the competitiveness he has. He doesn’t back down from a challenge.

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:50 am
Reply to  Hobby916

From what I’ve seen Wembanyama is equally competitive and plays with at least as much effort. He also has a little more meat on his bones (the lowest of bars has been achieved) despite being a year younger.

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Hobby916
July 19, 2021 12:08 pm

The thinnest player contest. Not a good one to win

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:50 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Wembanyama for me. But he’s a 2023, I believe. Honestly, I’m not completely convinced on Holmgren is my 2022 #1 yet. Don’t get me wrong Holmgren is well-deserving, but there are some other VERY interesting guys in that class as well.

Bbmuteman
July 19, 2021 12:04 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Wembanyama. I watched the France-US U19 game, and Wembanyama was just the best player on the floor for a lot of the game. My opinion of course.

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:22 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Wembanyama- but is he not in 2023 draft?

Peja
July 19, 2021 11:04 am

Hollinger in an athletic article pegged Holmes as being worth 18 mil a year. Is this number worth it for resigning Holmes long-term? If not, what is appropriate and how can the kings make it work?

deepshot22
July 19, 2021 11:19 am

Jennifer Aniston, Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Garner…

Love one, marry one, kill one. Go!

Kosta
July 19, 2021 11:51 am
Reply to  deepshot22

Reminds me of a question I saw on twitter posted by a karaoke account:

“Which Justin comes to mind first?”

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I was like, “hell, anyone but Timberlake and Bieber.”

But then, that means that Timberlake and Bieber came to mind first, damnit. 🙁

TheGrantNapear
July 19, 2021 1:46 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

Someone is into grannies

deepshot22
July 19, 2021 3:49 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Everybody’s taste buds are different!

Want2win
July 19, 2021 4:35 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

They are age appropriate for me..

Want2win
July 19, 2021 3:44 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

Love Aniston, marry Garner, dismiss JLo

deepshot22
July 19, 2021 3:49 pm
Reply to  Want2win

Oh man, J-Lo would definitely be a love or marry for me. I hate Arod for so many reasons.

Want2win
July 19, 2021 3:55 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

it is not an easy choice by any means.. but a choice I would never be given

deepshot22
July 19, 2021 11:22 am

Trade Fox (+ pick?) for Simmons. Trade Buddy + Bagley + picks for Beal. Start Simmons, Hali, Beal, Barnes, + defensive big.

What say you?

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:54 am
Reply to  deepshot22

Wow, that’s not messing around. But that’s a potentially excellent team. If that defensive big can shoot at all you have a complete starting 5 there without any real holes. Based just on the starting five that could be a top 4 seed.

deepshot22
July 19, 2021 12:12 pm

Its gonna take a big swing to get over the hump in my opinion. I just don’t see the slow game panning out. I think if you get one domino to fall and get someone like Beal or Simmons that it may attract another big name, which as we all know is what it takes now.

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 12:16 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

You won’t get an argument from me.

WizsSox
July 19, 2021 12:05 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

Initially I’d say hell yes, but I think that Buddy/Bagley plus a couple picks isn’t getting it done. Maybe if you give the 3 picks plus 2-3 more swaps type package, like Jrue Holiday.

But then you are selling out your next 5-6 drafts for a 1 year shot with Beal. If his contract was longer it might be more doable if giving that type of haul.

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deepshot22
July 19, 2021 12:10 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

I’d say hell yes as well. I think Beal could be had for less than 3 picks and 2 swaps due to that short contract. But then again, I only play an NBA GM on the keyboard.

WizsSox
July 19, 2021 12:24 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

Only job description that matters on TKH…If you get that deal done, we will think about extending you : )

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:24 pm
Reply to  deepshot22

I say no.

RobHessing
July 19, 2021 11:33 am

Who do you think we can get in trade for the 9th pick (include Hield / Bagley / Barnes as needed to facilitate the trade), and which draft prospects outside of the big 5-6 would you rather have at 9 instead of trading the pick?

2nd question: If Barnes or Kuminga was sitting at 7 & the Dubs offered Wiggins / 7 for Barnes / 9 / 39, would you make the deal?

RikSmits
July 19, 2021 11:54 am
Reply to  RobHessing

Why would you pick Barnes and then trade him?

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:54 am
Reply to  RikSmits

I think Barnes #2 there is Harrison. Took me a moment.

RikSmits
July 19, 2021 12:06 pm

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WizsSox
July 19, 2021 12:00 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Tough one…if they are willing to make that trade, they obviously have no intention of taking either S Barnes or Kuminga. Then presuming Orlando took one of those two at 5, do they really want to repeat a big wing at 8 when they have Issac?

You could end up getting them to fall for you to nothing or another team could swoop in at 7 or 8 too. The difference between H Barnes and Wiggins isn’t that great, but adding 10+ mill in salary is an issue. Other moves probably needed salary wise. Long story, I do it to get your man.

Want2win
July 19, 2021 3:56 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Yes..well maybe..ok not sure. I am a HB fan, but think this team could use a flat out scorer like Wiggins and then you Draft Barnes to replace Barnes .. does it really help us? Ok I looked at contracts so I think I would pass..

Want2win
July 19, 2021 3:56 pm
Reply to  Want2win

I also know the question isn’t for the other fans but it got me thinking

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 4:14 pm
Reply to  Want2win

I’m not necessarily a huge Harrison Barnes fan (as a player. As a human he’s exceptional), but he’s a better scorer than Wiggins.

Want2win
July 19, 2021 4:40 pm

Barnes I’d def more efficient, just looked at a comparison and given wigged usage ..I’m definitely in the not trade camp..

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 4:58 pm
Reply to  Want2win

Basically Wiggins just had by far the most efficient scoring season of his career. He scored 1.5 more pts per game than Barnes on 4 more shots per game and 60pts less TS%.

Bbmuteman
July 19, 2021 11:47 am

What would the cost be to move up to the top 3 in the draft? Would that cost be worth taking this year? Should the kings be looking at tanking for 2022 where Wembanyama and Holmgren are waiting.

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 11:57 am
Reply to  Bbmuteman

I could be wrong, but I think Wembanyama is a 2023 draft guy.

Bbmuteman
July 19, 2021 12:06 pm

Dang, suckage. He just looks so good and fluid at so young.

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 12:15 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

As I say above, I think Paolo, Jovic and maybe more guys in 2022 are worth considering tank worthy as well. I’m generally not a big fan of all out tanking, but IF you are, there’s reason to think the next couple drafts are worth it.

RikSmits
July 19, 2021 12:16 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

I think I’d be okay with sucking two more years if I knew we’d get him.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 12:18 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Sucking might happen even if we are ok with it or not 🙁

Carl
July 19, 2021 12:58 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Might?

Kosta
July 19, 2021 12:19 pm

Q: Do any Sacramento-related celebs have an account here on TKH?

(I have a guess that someone does)

RikSmits
July 19, 2021 12:22 pm
Reply to  Kosta

I’m not a celeb but as a Kings fan I’m somewhat Sacramento-related, and two out of three is not really that bad.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 12:27 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Well, I thought you were pretty fantastic playing with the Pacers back in the day. 🙂

Carl
July 19, 2021 12:49 pm

Sacramento will likely shop this pick all the way until they are on the clock, but if they stick at No. 9 and Moody drops this far, there is a good chance he is the guy.

This sounds like they’re already hedging on getting anything done. Enough excuses! Two offseasons and a deadline is enough time to do at least something to improve the win total of a .431 team.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 12:52 pm
Reply to  Carl

Rome wasn’t built in a day.

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(and neither was a 15-year playoff drought)

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Carl
July 19, 2021 1:26 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Rome wasn’t built in a day.

True! But at some point, the contractors have to get their feet off the desk and start actually working.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 1:32 pm
Reply to  Carl

Oh, I just hope they’re not on the 5-year rebuild plan! (although if they guaranteed playoffs in 5-years, I’d take it at this point!)

I’m most definitely on the side of wanting them to hurry things up a bit. I lost my patience, checked with the lost and found, and it wasn’t there. But there was a bag of chips. So I got that going for me.

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RobHessing
July 19, 2021 1:40 pm
Reply to  Carl

Rome wasn’t built in a day, but Grant was felled in one.

Kosta
July 19, 2021 1:50 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

DeMarcus: “Hey Rome, what do you think of Jim Everett?”
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Want2win
July 19, 2021 3:53 pm
Reply to  Kosta

I am a long suffering Rams fan and can’t stand Rome.. so I enjoyed this

Kosta
July 19, 2021 4:58 pm
Reply to  Want2win

Jim Everett almost cancelled Rome’s soul.

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 6:44 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Rome never had a soul.

TheGrantNapear
July 19, 2021 1:49 pm

You’re Monte McNair. Layout your offseason plan.
Who you draft at 9.
Which trades you make.
Who you sign and let walk.
The final roster heading into next season.

This would probably be better suited as an actual post, but just throwing it out there.

jwalker1395
July 19, 2021 2:03 pm

Here are a few trade targets I like for the Kings:

Myles Turner
Colin Sexton
Lonzo Ball
Mo Bamba
Ben Simmons

Who on this list is the best value, meaning, who do you believe would bring the most benefit to the team relative to the trade package you feel it would take to get them?

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:35 pm
Reply to  jwalker1395

Turner has some value
Sexton is redundant and too small as a SG
Lonzo- meh
Mo- not that good.
Simmonds – a fourth quarter liability.

I guess I am negative for the most part on all these choices.
I do think Holmes walks- very, every difficult to get in position to sign him, mostly because Kings only hold EARLY Bird rights which has huge limitations. The Wright trade pushed Kings past cap. There may be a way but it would involve renouncing Davis and more moves.
As for trades- Pacers do think Turner is redundant and want vets with at least 2 years left ( Barnes) but duds are looking at Turner as well, hoping to move 7 and 14 but Pacers don’t want that.

BigDrewbot
July 19, 2021 3:25 pm

What steps do you see Monte already making to change the culture of this team? What steps does he still need to make which, if not made, means we’re still going to be stuck in this sh*thole of mediocrity sh*ttiness no matter who we draft or who/what we package up for trades?

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MiseryLovesCompany
July 19, 2021 4:13 pm

Why do I continue to torture myself in an abusive relationship with the Kings?? Every year they are going to be better and change….. and….. welp……

All seriousness, on the clock at 9 and Moody, Ziaire Williams and Jalen Johnson are available, who are you taking and why?

murraytant
July 19, 2021 5:36 pm

Moody- best, by far up side.

BestHyperboleEver
July 19, 2021 5:49 pm
Reply to  murraytant

Huh, I’d say Moody has the highest floor of those three. But easily the lowest ceiling.

SMF-PDXConnection
July 19, 2021 4:51 pm

Given what we’re seeing happen in places like Portland, Dallas, and Boston, which teams would you rank currently as the five most dysfunctional and why?

Kosta
July 19, 2021 5:00 pm

Does Sac cover the last 2 spots of the 5?
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PlayoffModeT
July 19, 2021 5:49 pm

Would you rather trade HB for Draymond and 14?

Or

Buddy, Marvin, and 2 FRP for Ben Simmons?

kings4ever
July 19, 2021 7:11 pm

No one is telling James Ham who the Kings are planning to draft, if that decision has even been made, and he should have enough self-awareness and a detached broader perspective to know this.  If his source is saying Moody is “their guy”, a flimsy player who may shoot 40% next season, though thats besides the point, he should add 1+ 1 and conclude he is NOT the guy instead of playing the sucker in a misinformation / disinformation campaign.
 
We know the Kings do not release the names of players they’ve worked out or make them available to media, so what makes him think he is so special or priviledged he is going to get the inside skinny?  If the leak did have merit, the culprit would face serious consequences given the protocols McGenius has tried to put in place. The leaker would be identified admonished and possible terminated. What would the motivation to leak information be other than to mislead and throw off adversaries, that is, teams drafting ahead and behind?  

Of course this is simple logic but Ham’s ego or cognitive abilities do not allow him simple logic. So good news, we are not drafting Moody, who is not a dynamic player, rather a boring needle non-mover. He is a poor mans Mikal Bridges. Is that who we want on our team, when we could get a star in Zaiare, Alperen or the Unicorn?  Moody is a lesser version of a guy who disappears for stretches and helped the Suns to a 3-2 hole with the brass ring in his teams grasp if he did not pull a Houdini act too frequently. Bridges is unable to create his shot, too willing to blend instead of assert alpha will and skill. 

Bridges is not a star and Moody will not be as good as him for at least 2-3 years if he ever gets there, which is nowhere special. This is the target to get excited about, I don’t think so.  But if you dont know basketball, the gamesmanship preceding the draft, you don’t identify pertinent variables, then you chase crumbs and play the fool. You are a convenient dupe, an unwitting tool, and perceptive as a Ham sandwich, so to speak.  

What is there to conclude then when it comes to bringing in players?  It means not a lot though if a player does not visit, you can conclude the team will not draft him. And even this comes with qualifiers. The team may draft a player they did not workout because he wanted to go elsewhere, tried to orchestrate it, but the shunned team drafts him anyway. Vlade would not draft a player in this case; we do not know if this regime is equally self-limiting. Additionally we may draft a player that did work out but somehow escaped public dissemination.  

I contend the FO knows who they want, more or less, after months of study, say a 60-75% or plus idea, a favorite and hieracrhy has emerged, if their workout goes well or better than expected. The reason to bring in that player and lesser deemed peers is (1) due diligence (2) i.e. leave no stone unturned and (3) affirm or refute your preliminary and predominant bias.

Suppose they decide they want Zaiare. If you are fairly sold on him for a multitude of reasons, would you not want to bring Moody and Barnes to affirm the superiority of your target? To provide the contrast, stark or subtle? To assauge dissenters in your inner circle? 

You want to erase lingering indecision and feel as good about this decison as Ty. Players disqualify themselves and in the process help qualify another. Players ultimately deemed inferior help solidify the preference, confirm the assessment made from a distance in a more customized uniform and revealing setting. The only thing the evaluator has to do is keep open mind and seriously reconsider if enough contra-evidence presents itself.  

This is far cry from Player X came to town and then using that as support for his pending selection, which Ham does. A visit is significant only relative to the player who never got an invite. Hams adds Moody “might have more skills than he showed in college”. This is not an argument. It can be said about any prospect. I might be a woman if I had breasts.  

Lastly it is curious fans could be mostly cool with the idea of adding below-the-rim Moody while simultaneously bemoaning the shot selection of below-the-rim Buddy most of last season. Buddy was the 1a reason we did not make the playoffs (Marvin was 1b). Buddy failed where other pivotal role players (aka intermittent stars) did not to support our dominant player (aka pertpetual star). Fox, Barnes, Holmes and Ty did enough to get us to the playoffs. We needed at least one (Buddy), preferably two more (Buddy and Bagley) then the platriness of the rest of the rotation and coaching staff could have been overcome.

It was Buddy who conspicuously failed, often getting hot after helping bury us by 15-20 points, and Bagley who conspicously failed, though in the latter case Bagley could never establish himself as a pivotal role player.  

Anyway lets turn around the team with a player with similar shortcomings, who shoots with a hand in his face because he lacks burst and juke moves? Neither Buddy or Moody can create space for themselves or finish strong over length. Call it irrational confidence or lack of shot discernment, it is not high percentage basketball.  Ham likens Moody to the type of player our GM chased at the deadline (TD and Wright). This is questionable because while all players get after it on defense, TD and Wright don’t take stupid shots, they have skills to free themselves from their defender.  I don’t even think Moody’s defense is that good either, he’s a below average athlete and lacks physicality, another similarity to Buddy.

Two Hours of Cringe Here:

Lou King > Moody  

HongKongKingsFan
July 19, 2021 11:04 pm
Reply to  kings4ever

I am not a Moody fans at all.

but I agree with your last sentence and conclusion.

Louis King is a better player.
I really like to see him play more minutes on court. Loved his confidence, and skill.

Hobby916
July 20, 2021 6:40 am

What is your philosophy when looking at drafting players? (fit, BPA, upside, floor, specific skills, etc.)

MitchRichmondThree
July 20, 2021 3:56 pm

Could you come up with a player value system for the Kings that is different from much of the rest of the league? For example, in a vacuum it would make absolute sense to include Haliburton in a trade for Simmons. Even with the recent reputation hit for Simmons, there is a strong possibility that Haliburton will never reach that level of play that Simmons has shown. Having said that, I can understand the strong reluctance of many Kings’ fans, myself included, to include Haliburton in such a trade. While the Kings could have Simmons on the books for three years, there is a realistic path where Haliburton could be on the books for seven years. For a team that does not sign top-level free agents, potential control is a critical factor. Another factor that I would consider that is more unique to Sacramento is connection to the community or fanbase and desire to be here. It can certainly be overdone and an interest in the Kings backfired with Bagley, but Haliburton’s apparent connection to Sacramento is more valuable to the Kings than to the typical NBA team. Are there some other player-value factors that are more valuable to the Kings than to other teams?

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