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Breaking news: Sacramento Kings decline to match Bogdan Bogdanovic’s contract offer

Bogdanovic is officially an Atlanta Hawk.

The Sacramento Kings have declined to match Bogdan Bodganovic’s offer sheet with the Atlanta Hawks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.

While the exact terms of the contract have yet to be revealed, Bogdanovic will be paid approximately $72 million over the next four years, employing him through age 32. His deal will also include a 15% trade kicker for all guaranteed seasons, as well as a player option in the final year.

Watching Bogdan Bogdanovic, one of Sacramento’s most exciting and versatile players, walk for no compensation may be frustrating when viewed in a vacuum, but the decision is an understandable one for new Kings General Manager Monte McNair. It’s clear that McNair’s priority this offseason is to reset the team around De’Aaron Fox, a goal that many within the fan base share, and not wanting to burden himself with a third large, long-term contract (Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes) is an understandable viewpoint. There’s no reward in allowing Bogdanovic to leave the team, but there’s also no risk.

With most of the attractive free agents already acquired, it’s highly likely that the Kings will now turn their attention inward, rather than outward over the next few weeks. It’s entirely possible that Sacramento doesn’t sign a single new player this offseason. Instead, the Kings could decline their mid-level exception and operate under the salary cap, which would allow for some more flexibility in future trades. Either way, McNair is expected to try and shed his other overpaid veterans and non-rookie scale players, rather than pushing for the playoffs like the previous regime.

The Bogdanovic contract situation was always going to be messy once Vlade Divac exited the franchise, and the failed Milwaukee Bucks trade only further served to complicate matters. Even though Bogdan is now a part of the Atlanta Hawks, he can be assured that Kings fans will be rooting for his individual success in the Eastern Conference.

Good luck on the East Coast, Bogi!

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Dirkula
November 24, 2020 6:06 pm

Best of luck Bogi!

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ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 6:07 pm

This is always where this was headed. I’m just bummed the Bucks deal fell through.

Storm
November 24, 2020 6:10 pm

For real, getting nothing for Bogi is such a let down

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 6:13 pm
Reply to  Storm

I don’t love it but I think in the long run this probably doesn’t hurt us all that much. I am hoping that this gives Buddy the opportunity to raise his value more than he would have otherwise. That could certainly be a silver lining.

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 6:35 pm

TBH, I don’t love it. But sometimes you must do what’s necessary to get to the things you love. Or some such.

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 8:18 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Exactly where I’m at Guru. In a vacuum, losing an asset for nothing is really bad but in this situation I do kind of get the thinking. Vlade created a lose-lose situation and Monte almost pulled us out of it with the Bucks S&T but when that fell through we were toast. Tip your cap and move on. Now the real work of rebuilding Buddy’s value and moving him along with Barnes is going to be the big task this season.

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freepapagiannis
November 24, 2020 8:23 pm

how did Vlade create a lose lose situation?! He definitely would have matched this offer, if not paid him before it happened.

just another fool blaming Vlade. He literally got us bogdan as a secondary piece in a trade he unequivocally won. Stop defending Monte, he squandered the bucks sign and trade. He is sending us right back into rebuilding and buying himself years

Chef
November 24, 2020 8:50 pm

Monte is sending us back into rebuilding? We entered rebuilding the second Vlade drafted Bagley.

If Vlade didnt give over inflated contracts to average and sub average players such as Barnes and Corey we would have been in a much better position to match Bogi

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ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 9:12 pm
Reply to  Chef

Sad but true. Many of us saw it coming on draft night and it has proved prescient.

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 9:11 pm

Lol Monte squandered the Bucks S&T? That’s certainly not what has been reported but I’m sure it is true in your mind. And yes this situation is Vlade’s fault. He would have matched and then cratered the value of all these guys turning them into negative assets while having to dump them along with picks to simply move them out the door. That would have been the Vlade plan.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:07 pm

Bull shit.

What a Joke.

An absolute joke.

He is better then Vlade though. I guess.

KANGZ

TheGrantNapear
November 24, 2020 7:08 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Lol

AirmaxPG
November 24, 2020 8:30 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

I’m with you man. Sometimes it just really fucking sucks to be a fan of this team.

Letting our 2nd best player walk for nothing is bad. But when I read the part about the “young” “core” of Fox, Hield, and Bagley, it’s just downright depressing.

Like it seems that this team might never be good.

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 9:13 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

The “Buddy being a part of the young core” thing sounds exactly like the thing you say if you want to try and regain a tiny bit of leverage if you want to trade Buddy and maybe Bagley as well.

CastlePeak
November 24, 2020 9:46 pm
Reply to  AirmaxPG

What was the point of the Kings front office sitting around for 2 days to say “uncle” while getting out maneuvered and punked by Atlanta? Kings will be widely and deservedly ripped good again, this time for letting Bogi walk without compensation.

Hey Monte, the victory laps over Haliburton falling to the Kings are over. Time to implement your 20 win tankathon plan.

Otis
November 24, 2020 6:08 pm

young core of Fox, Bagley and Hield.

Heh. Hield is four months younger than Bogi.

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November 24, 2020 6:09 pm
Reply to  Otis

Technically still younger!

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:17 pm
Reply to  Otis

It’s such bull shit. A heaping mound of bull shit.

what a Joke.

monty ain’t pan’n out to well so far. A good draft that either fell in his lap or was “orchestrated” by Haliburton, the wrong evaluation and choice between Buddy and Bogi in terms of contract and skill and tradability. Pathetic. A bad evaluation on Giles as part of the 15 man roster for the stupidly low cost of 3 million for a guy the franchise invested upwards of 20 million in who could be better then the guy you think you might be able to build around. Good one Monty, Bang up job so far. You’re killin it.

someone kill me!

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kgdobter
November 24, 2020 6:29 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

If Harry Giles was such a “bad evaluation,” why wasn’t he sought after from other teams?

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:47 pm
Reply to  kgdobter

For 3 million you keep him.

enough said.

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 7:02 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

That’s double what he signed for with Portland.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 10:51 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Exactly. Offer him 3 he stays.

RobHessing
November 24, 2020 8:26 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Giles was a UFA, thanks to Vlade.

freepapagiannis
November 24, 2020 8:34 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

4mm to sign him then. Would have been a mistake. We still could have had him this off-season but the f-boy guy with a bad goatee let him go.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 7:58 pm
Reply to  kgdobter

If we were pissed that Vlade didn’t extend the qualifying offer for Giles then why shouldn’t we be pissed that Monty let him go for less money? Shouldn’t we be more pissed?

monty made a terrible decision worse. He doubled down on Vlade’s idiocy and that’s not cause for concern?

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RobHessing
November 24, 2020 8:24 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Huh? Giles was a UFA, and probably had the Kings ranked 30th among NBA teams that he would want to join after Vlade’s front office dissed him by not picking up his $3.9m option. How in the hell is this McNair’s fault?

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 6:29 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

We didn’t lose a guy who is even remotely near all-star caliber. We lost one of the feature players of perennial 30-ish win team. This isn’t a huge blow.

Otis
November 24, 2020 6:33 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Eh, that’s not the smartest way to look at it, IMO. You could say the same about Fox. Many said the same about IT when he left.

jdwhit
November 24, 2020 6:34 pm
Reply to  Otis

And we didn’t even get the rights to Alex Oriakhi in exchange for Bogi….

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 6:58 pm
Reply to  Otis

Fox in considerably younger, and already on par or ahead of Bogi. IT was on an upward trend, and his contract was his total contract was 1.5 years of his deal. Bogi has likely plateaud, and ultimately got verpaid in my opinion. I don’t regret not having that contract.

extra
November 24, 2020 6:39 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

They lost a player that title contenders (e.g. the Lakers and Bucks) wanted to sign. The demand would have been there next year also. He may not be an all star but he’s capable of putting up 18/4/4 and playing 3 positions. IMO, this will go down as another in a long line of bad decisions that the franchise will regret.

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 7:01 pm
Reply to  extra

Signing a 28 year-old bench player to 4/72 isn’t the best route to take for a team in the middle of tearing down and rebuilding its roster.

That’s why title contenders look to add these kind of players, not make them cornerstones. We already made that mistake with Barnes, I’m glad we didn’t repeat it here.

extra
November 24, 2020 7:13 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

You miss the point. They can still tear down by trading him next year. They are too talented to make a run for the top of the draft. They aren’t that bad. If they had kept him, they could have traded him for future assets several months from now. Also, he’s not a bench player on most teams. He’s a solid starter for most franchises and a sixth man type for good teams because of his versatility.

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 7:22 pm
Reply to  extra

Too talented to make a run for the top of the draft.

I disagree. If we can somehow luck out and move Barnes and Buddy, we have a serious shot. A Fox + rookie + mediocre to scrub team could absolutely make some top pick noise.

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extra
November 24, 2020 7:36 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Plans don’t involve “lucking out.” They involve maximizing the value you get from your assets and mitigating downside risks. Two things that the Kings are bad at doing. And even if they do shed a bunch of guys and tank, the draft lottery is less forgiving now for tankers. Banking on the lottery going your way is not a sound plan. Also, keeping Bogi would not have precluded the Kings from trading Barnes and Buddy this year (and Bogi next summer). It’s bad asset management.

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 8:03 pm
Reply to  extra

In sports, plans absolutely involve lucking out. Just ask Portland or OKC.

I just don’t think you’re maximizing value with Bogi by paying him 18m a year and then paying him even more to trade him. Especially when you don’t know what his trade value is at 18m. If he’s even healthy.

Banking on the lottery is about as sound of a move as throwing out another George Hill contract with the intent of flipping it down the road for a solid return in players/picks.

oshima9
November 24, 2020 8:23 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

The offer sheet made the likelihood of trading Bogi in the future problematic.

extra
November 24, 2020 9:47 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

If the strategy is to seriously try to build through the draft then why not try to acquire more picks to increase the odds of hitting on a star? They could have done that by holding onto Bogi and trading him next summer. His contract is a tradable contract. There is no reason why one couldn’t imagine a contender trading, for instance, a late first rounder for him. But instead the team let him walk without getting any future assets in return.

Also, based on the Bucks trade proposal we do have an idea on what his value might be.

Henry
November 24, 2020 11:23 pm
Reply to  extra

Also, based on the Bucks trade proposal we do have an idea on what his value might be.

The Bucks deal was fair value, but Bogi didn’t sign that contract. The Atlanta deal was an overpay plus with the kicker would make him difficult to trade. That’s no longer a valuable asset to have.

ArcoThunder
November 25, 2020 12:30 am
Reply to  extra

The return would be better with it not being a sign and trade deal.

put on top of that creating a little bidding war. He definitely would have brought back valuable assets at some point.

kingsforaday
November 24, 2020 8:10 pm
Reply to  extra

This has been recounted enough before, but the bad asset management had already happened under Vlade. I personally don’t see letting Bogi walk as such, as long as you have a plan for how you want to use your cap space.

And having the lottery go your way still happens to be one of the best methods to get all star talent, especially in smaller markets. Lottery reform hasn’t changed that fact at all.

oshima9
November 24, 2020 8:21 pm
Reply to  extra

What was Bogi supposed to do during this year until he’s traded? Because he definitely wasn’t supposed to be taking minutes from Halliburton. So he sits on the bench and plays 10-15 mpg?

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 8:24 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Completely agree.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:49 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Tell that to the late first round draft pick we should have been able to get for Buddy at minimum. All while keeping a better player for less money.

it’s dumb. It would have been dumb if Vlade did it. It’s still dumb when Monty does it.

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RobHessing
November 24, 2020 6:50 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Show your work. Put that deal on paper, please, being sure to make it work cap-wise.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 11:56 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

From 2 teams that have shown interest. id be shocked if they turned down any of these. Not a great return for buddy but that’s not the point here. The point, as you asked me to show on paper with the cap is how do you flip Buddy for expiring contracts and a late first round draft pick or higher. Here’s several examples. Only 1 doesn’t include a draft pick just because it’s to obvious not to include it here.

Theres 27 other teams with possibilities also.

🟩

Buddy 4 years 25 million, Justin James 2 years 1.5 million. = 26.5

for:

Mcdermott 1 year 7.3 million, TJ Leaf 1 year 4.3, TJ, McConnell 1 year 3.5 million, J. Holiday 1 year 4.6 million, Edmond Sumner 2 years 2.1 million = 21.8 + 2021 top 3 protected draft pick.

🟩 🟩 or

buddy 4 years 25 million , Holmes 1 year 5 million = 30

for

Myles Turner 3 years 18 million, mcdermott 1 year 7.3 million, TJ Leaf 1 year 4.3 million = 29.6 + 2021 second round pick from the Cav’s

🟩 🟩 🟩 or in Dallas who’s also shown interest:

Buddy 4 years 25 million

for

James Johnson 1 year 16 million, Courtney Lee 1 year 12.8 million = 28.8 + 2022 draft pick top 3 protected.

🟩 🟩 🟩 🟩 or

Buddy 4 years 25 million

for

James Johnson 1 year 16 million, Marjonovic 1 year 3.5 million, Brunson 2 years 1.7 million = 21.2+ 2022 draft pick top 10 protected.

🟩 🟩 🟩 🟩 🟩 or

Buddy 4 years 25 million

for:

Hardaway 1 year 19 million, Marjonovic 1 year 3.5 million = 22.5 + 2022 draft pick top 10 protected.

There you go. I put in some work for you.

Any of these would be fine by me. Bogi stays and starts at SG, eventually moves to 6th man when appropriate or gets traded with his permission whenever for more assets.

malcontent Buddy is gone, we have an extra draft pick, more cap space next year, we lose more this year for the tank, we keep the better of our 2 current SG’s for less money and that will be a better influence on the young ones coming in like Haliburton.

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RobHessing
November 25, 2020 8:59 am
Reply to  ArcoThunder

I have seen no legitimate reports (or reasonably resourced rumors) that any of these deals were even available. This is like saying we should have gotten something back from Atlanta for Bogi, you know, just because.

ArcoThunder
November 25, 2020 9:57 am
Reply to  RobHessing

so you present me with this challenge and then move the goal posts?

you didn’t say to present deals that were reported to be available. Were any deals ever reported to be available?

I can’t imagine that’s where you were going when you placed this challenge for me. The point, I thought was to show that there are options to trade Buddy and allow us to keep Bogi instead. Buddy Hield is tradable. Buddy Hield should have been traded. Bogi should have been retained. Then possibly traded down the line. That’s what a smart GM would have done. I wanted and hoped Monty was smart and a good choice. I still hope that. If I’m being honest though, it’s not starting off very well. Good draft, good Gentry hire, seemingly a better vision for a rebuild (lots to speculate here) everything else has been pretty painful and definitely nothing good. Throw on top of that we still have Luke. I’ll throw my hope in to Monty but my confidence?… he’s destroyed any confidence I had him. That’s on him, not me to give yet another GM a hall pass because the last guy was bad. I’ve run out of hall passes.

buddy for expiring contracts and a future first and keep Bogi, the better player, better team mate and better contract. Maybe trade him down the line and get more assets to wheel and deal with or make upside selections with.

or…

let the better and more affordable player and teammate walk for nothing and keep the more expensive bad team mate who’s not as good.

Monty chose the ladder and all the exhausted, hopeful fans are reaching for ways to justify it in order to avoid more pain from incompetence.

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RobHessing
November 25, 2020 1:25 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Not sure how I moved the goal posts. I mean, you’re hammering McNair for not making deals of your own invention? With zero knowledge as to whether or not any of these deals were available?

I mean, if Bogi is the superior player, and all he could fetch was Donte Divincenzo, how does an inferior player on a worse contract net anything?

And up your ass with the “exhausted, hopeful fans” horseshit. I’m not the one with my balls on fire in this thread. I think the Kings should have matched. I get why they didn’t. No more, no less.

ArcoThunder
November 26, 2020 3:35 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Wow man. this was un called for.

I’m an exhausted hopeful fan. So are you. So is every Kings fan. It comes with the territory and 14 years of crap. We are in this together.

I haven’t attacked any body here. Except Monty. Which I believe he deserves.

I justify some moves as others justify different moves in their own way.

My balls were on fire, as they should have been. I’m a passionate Kings fan, what can I say?

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 7:05 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Buddy has been adamant about not wanting to be here. So far there has only been crickets in terms deals, outside of writers throwing darts about “things that might work out”.

Marty
November 24, 2020 7:14 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

Totally agree.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 8:01 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

We essentially just threw away a future late first round draft pick. That’s not a huge blow?

Timmy_13
November 24, 2020 6:30 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Step off the ledge a bit, Arco.

RobHessing
November 24, 2020 6:42 pm
Reply to  Timmy_13

Yeah, I would have matched. But what we lost was slightly better Cisco Garcia.

Not a good return on an asset. Not $72m for a complementary player. It’s a disappointment, but not the death knell for an organization.

NorCalKingsFan
November 24, 2020 6:50 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

This is really down-playing Bogi’s contributions. Cisco? I liked Cisco, but he was more equivalent to CoJo than Bogi in terms of production. Bogi is more like our Bobby Jackson as the 2nd or 3rd guard.

This won’t kill the org, but its still ridiculous and a bad decision.

RobHessing
November 24, 2020 6:52 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

I said slightly better. Willing to be convinced that he was exponentially better.

NotAlwaysLogic
November 24, 2020 7:27 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

He’s no Bobby Jackson 6th man of the year point guard on a Western Conference Champion team. Let’s be reasonable here.

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Ialmostmissthemaloofs
November 24, 2020 7:43 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

Bobby Jackson was the six man on a title contender. If it were not for a couple of missed free throws, or a couple of highly questionable foul calls, that team would have won the title. Bogi was the six man, or 5th man on a team that is in the draft lottery every single year, so let’s not confuse things. I really like BB, and he was very easy to root for. That said, I have zero problems with blowing this entire roster to the moon and back IF it means we can rebuild in a newer better way.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 8:19 pm

Clearly we aren’t doing it in a better way.

We got NEW still!!

Chef
November 24, 2020 9:07 pm

I don’t think the issue is blowing up the entire roster. I’m down for that. The issue is if you blow up a team, you can’t let assets walk for nothing. See OKC. They are blowing up the team but yet are retaining future assets. Say what you want about Bogi, he is an asset in the league.

Chef
November 24, 2020 9:02 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Slightly better Cisco Garcia? That’s a stretch for Cisco. They’re not even in the same tier of players. Closest thing Cisco was somewhat on par with Bogi was providing 3 point shooting. But even then Bogi is a better player in that regard.

RobHessing
November 25, 2020 9:06 am
Reply to  Chef

I’ll stand by what I said. Cisco was a legit core NBA bench piece, especially before injuries broke him down. Bogi is probably starting material for some NBA teams and a 6th man for others. Maybe Bobby Jackson or Corliss Williamson are better comps when comparing his value and standing.

He’s roughly a 4/$72m player that was offered a 4/$72m contract. Given what it takes to sign free agents around here, I would have matched. That said, I understand why the organization did not. And if this came down to a Hield or Bogi decision, I sure understand why this front office would choose Hield’s elite volume deep shooting over Bogi’s wider range of skills given what they have invested in Fox, as well as drafting Haliburton. The big question now is whether the coaching staff is capable of running a systemt that will maximize the ability of these players.

RikSmits
November 24, 2020 9:25 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

It all depends on what Monte will do in the future with that cap flexibility.

In itself, cap flexibility means nothing. It is all about how it will be utilized.

TBD.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:54 pm
Reply to  Timmy_13

It’s good advice. Thanks.

I’m just tired man. I’m tired of the dumb moves. I’m tired of the dumb and contradictory rationalizations in the press releases, I’m tired of seeing obvious things not happen. I’m just tired.

I know all you guys can at least relate to where I’m coming from. It’s just really bad asset management as far as I can tell and I’m really tired of watching that. I was so hopeful that it would be ending but it’s not. It’s continuing.

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TheGrantNapear
November 24, 2020 7:10 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Relax it’s just basketball, a game.

ArcoThunder
November 25, 2020 12:12 am
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Not sure what you’re picturing but I’m chillin on the couch watching stand up comedy drinking a beer and typing frantically in the Kings Herald with a gentle layer of Anger floating around me.

it’s pretty chill.

Timmy_13
November 24, 2020 7:15 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

All good, and I get the rant. For a year that’s all I did when Vlade passed on Luka. The thing with Monte is that he actually has FO experience. I trust him more than I did PDA and Vlade. But maybe I’m just a little bias on my like of Morey management. I absolutely love the analytical decision-making we have been doing. That’s where the NBA is heading.

Ultimately, we have to take everything with a grain of salt and a bit of context. Especially with this franchise and what we’ve been through during the Vivek years. We’re not out of the woodworks yet but I trust this Front Office more than my personal moves and biases.

ArcoThunder
November 25, 2020 10:15 am
Reply to  Timmy_13

I want to trust this front office. I was so excited when Monty got hired. Vlade was a nightmare. Monty had a great draft, arguably more lucky then a great job but he deserves credit for not messing it up at the very least. I also like the more analytical approach. I also like what we are assuming his vision for the rebuild is. All other actions he has made have not been good. Valuing buddy over Bogi is obviously incorrect we all know that. Not retaining Giles after such a huge investment by the franchise while he’s on the cusp of breaking out and already arguably better then Marvin. While that shouldn’t be a huge mistake it seems egregiously bad for the cost and risk reward possibilities. For gods sake, his first real transaction attempt has him under investigation by the league.

the over confidence in Monty as of thanksgiving 2020 is astounding to me. Especially after every thing we’ve been through.

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Ialmostmissthemaloofs
November 24, 2020 7:55 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

I’m not convinced this is dumb move. I think Monte at least deserves 6 months (or maybe a year or two) of benefit of the doubt that he has a plan and is at least as qualified as a bunch of internet fans at executing it. I’m pretty sure he has thought about this AT LEAST as much as the rest of us, and has a little more experience. It might be a 49%/51% play… but being strapped with the 15% trade kicker was probably more than he wanted to deal with when he fully expects to make moves later. I might see this as smart asset management, and a willingness to make tough decisions even if they are a little painful and not popular.

freepapagiannis
November 24, 2020 8:33 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Finally someone who gets it! Why is everyone falling over themselves to defend this new GM has proved nothing? Because he got Morey coffee for a few years?

he has set us back with this off season, and now he’s just giving away assets. This is like someone forfeiting a building because they don’t want to pay the taxes. Bogie was an asset. To let him walk for nothing is the worst move this franchise has made since picking Thomas Robinson over Damien lillard.

PejaVu2
November 24, 2020 10:47 pm

Stop trolling, freepapagiannis. No one seems to be enjoying it.

ArcoThunder
November 25, 2020 10:05 am
Reply to  PejaVu2

Tell me what I want to hear or you’re a troll.

kwill
November 24, 2020 6:32 pm
Reply to  Otis

Check his license

Storm
November 24, 2020 6:08 pm

The only way this is acceptable is if they couldn’t get anything in return for Bogi at that salary

Otherwise this is just nothing but pain, again.

I don’t want a “young core of Buddy, Bagley and Fox” I want an actual effing team with a direction and an actual chance to do more than compete for the 8th seed

McNair better be right, because we have all seen these types of moves before with previous F.O’s and “trusting them” didn’t work out either

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:21 pm
Reply to  Storm

He’s wrong. It’s obvious.

what a joke.

Buddy as part of the young core. Get that crap out of here. He doesn’t want to be on this team. So… how is that even possible. What an absolutely stupid thing to say.

F this

TheGrantNapear
November 24, 2020 7:11 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Arco bringing heat mam

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 8:27 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

You know what I’d say if I were trying to repair Buddy’s trade value? That he’s part of the young core.

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 6:08 pm

Good luck to you Bogi. Loved watching you here.

NotAlwaysLogic
November 24, 2020 7:31 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Classic lame ass Kings fan thing to say. Lol just kidding. Not kidding.

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Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 8:07 pm
Reply to  NotAlwaysLogic

I’ve been called a lot of things over the years. I don’t know if I’ve ever been called a ‘lame ass Kings fan’. Usually people just call me a pig fucker, or a Communist or a dipshit. Nobody has ever attempted to insult me AND call me a Kings fan. Is that like a double negative which in algebra means a positive?

So, thusly, yes? Which means I am the awesome, in point of fact. Which I already knew. But thanks for agreeing with me!

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 9:15 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Yeah but like, you’re lame bro so whatever.

Storm
November 24, 2020 6:08 pm

Pain

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November 24, 2020 6:54 pm
Reply to  Storm

Should’ve used T-Pain’s head.

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 6:11 pm

There are so many shades of summer ’94 to Monte’s beginning as a GM, it’s unreal. (Yes, that’s a reference to Petrie’s beginning of his tenure.) In that case, the pick was Brian Grant and the FA was Wayman Tisdale. If you wish to push the analogy further, the Kings took Michael “Animal” Smith 35th overall in ’94. Robert Woodard perhaps the new Animal? Also, that team in 94-95 managed to win 39 games and miss the 8th seed by a game. Against Denver, of course.

Love Bogi, hell if I saw more of the Kings I woulda loved the Tizzy flip, too. But man fans were ticked at Tizzy walking, and it would have been this kinda bad as it’s been for this go around.

I’m just amazed Vivek didn’t screw this up. He let his actual GM make his actual preferred decision.

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Otis
November 24, 2020 6:15 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I think that’s a bit of a specious comparison.

As much as I loved Wayman, he was pretty one-dimensional and needed the ball a lot. Bogi’s game is more conducive to on-court team success now than Wayman’s was then.

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Otis
November 24, 2020 6:19 pm
Reply to  Otis

And this may turn out to be the right move, long-term, but I’m not sold that Vivek didn’t have some influence on McNair’s decision.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:27 pm
Reply to  Otis

I’m not either. I think he won’t let him trade Buddy. We all know he has a hard on for him. He wanted to lock him up long term and Puppet Vlade did as he was told.

Now, this might be a sign that we just have have more of the same.

I can’t believe we just let Bogi walk for nothing while being cheaper and better then Buddy and only 4 months older.

pathetic.

keith_kar
November 24, 2020 7:37 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Bogi better than Buddy? Have to disagree with you there. Buddy can change a game, and when was the last time you saw Buddy injured?

ArcoThunder
November 25, 2020 12:17 am
Reply to  keith_kar

I’ve seen buddy change every game with consistently some of the stupidest turnovers one could imagine.

I remember Bogi beating the the Los Angeles Sorry Ass Punks with a last second 3ptr.

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Want2win
November 24, 2020 6:46 pm
Reply to  Otis

If I recall people used to rail on Vlade for not standing up to Vivek when such speculation occurred, I wonder how long of a leash people will give MM for acquiescing to Vivek..

RobHessing
November 24, 2020 6:48 pm
Reply to  Want2win

If I recall Vlade was given the benefit of the doubt for at least the first three years. Wonder if the fans will be as patient with MM.

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 6:55 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Wonder if the fans will be as patient with MM.

Doubt it. Fans are tiring of the 14 year playoff drought. And it’s all Monte’s fault!

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 7:05 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

the 14 years are not. But failing to do the smart thing twice and being part of an investigation after just 6 weeks ain’t good. Losing Bogi for nothing and not trying to trade Buddy from now until the all star break is a huge mistake and completely his fault.

not bringing Giles back is also a mistake. He had an opportunity to right a wrong by Vlade and failed.

Want2win
November 24, 2020 7:08 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I can’t blame MM for the past 14 years, I won’t blame him and will only judge him on the moves he makes or doesn’t make. I am disappointed and give him a bad grade, but will change opinion as he does other things and it warrants it.

Want2win
November 24, 2020 7:05 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Most probably will not be as patient… I think the whole thing about not standing up to ownership started sooner in Vlade’s tenure, or maybe it was just a few fans that would constantly say that.. I’m certainly not excited with the start but I will also be happy to change my opinion based off of future moves. I certainly gave Vlade the benefit until Bagley draft.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 7:01 pm
Reply to  Want2win

it just got significantly shorter for me.

🟩a lucky draft that fell in his lap

🟩bad choice between Buddy and Bogi

🟩should have retained Giles at that low of a cost after the franchise invested so much in him.

I’m not feeling confident and excited anymore. That’s for sure.

Hobby916
November 24, 2020 7:05 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Do you know if Giles wanted to stay in Sac? Hard to retain a player if he didnt want to stay with the team.

Inthestarz
November 24, 2020 7:23 pm
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Giles sucks
buddy is better
buddy has no trade value

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 6:32 pm
Reply to  Otis

I’ll grant it’s a tad specious. Certainly not a perfect comparison either, but comps rarely are. /shrug

TBH, I just shared the 94 thing on a whim and I’ve thought that since the draft. I think I said it that night, too. I’ll have to look at my comment.

Want2win
November 24, 2020 6:47 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

And Brian grant held out for a bag a chips and a Dr Pepper …

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 6:55 pm
Reply to  Want2win

Picks held out all the time back then.

Want2win
November 24, 2020 7:00 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

It is so much better now, iMHO..

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 7:01 pm
Reply to  Want2win

The rookie salary scale made a large difference, no doubt.

ArcoThunder
November 24, 2020 6:24 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

the last time he didn’t get in the way we ended up with Marvin.

maybe he should meddle more!

Want2win
November 24, 2020 6:43 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Antoine Carr was Tisdales replacement if my memory serves me correctly

Kingsguru21
November 24, 2020 8:13 pm
Reply to  Want2win

Actually by then he was in San Antonio and was long gone. Byproduct of the Dick Motta era! Here is the 94-95 team. I just learned that Mike Bratz was Garry St Jean’s assistant on that team. I didn’t know that before!

Want2win
November 24, 2020 9:35 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

You are right… I guess I’m getting old and all the players are starting to mix together.. Garry and his PMA

freepapagiannis
November 24, 2020 8:41 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Is this an actual GM decision? If money wasn’t a factor do we really think he wouldn’t have matched? This was about Vivek not willing to shell out and McNair choosing the path of rebuilding with time rather than adding to what we had to get us in the playoffs.

put it this way, is there anyone coming this off-season better than Bogi? Then what are we doing

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 6:13 pm

Not upset he’s gone, just bitter about him screwing us on the way out.

Dirkula
November 24, 2020 6:17 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

A bit harsh I think. What did he really owe us, and how did he screw us?

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 6:27 pm
Reply to  Dirkula

He wanted out as fast as possible, didn’t even give the team a shot at a S&T.

Meh, so it goes. Let the Hawks enjoy his feast or famine.

Dirkula
November 24, 2020 6:38 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

I understand your angst, hate losing an asset for nothing too.
However, I don’t fault the guy we didn’t draft, but traded for as a sweetener to a larger deal, who was caught in a dysfunctional situation and wanted to move on. He played hard, was never a PITA, and did his job. Personally, I wish him the best and am thankful that he was the one shining example for Vlade to hang his hat in. I’m still WAY more bitter about Luka than “losing” BB8

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 6:51 pm
Reply to  Dirkula

I’m not bitter about losing him. I was hoping the Kings wouldn’t match. I’m just annoyed with how it played out re: leaking the Bucks deal after catching wind of a bigger Hawks offer

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Nostradumbass 14
November 24, 2020 6:36 pm
Reply to  BeTheBall

He didn’t screw us. He looked out for himself.

extra
November 24, 2020 6:59 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Yep. At the end of the day, it’s a business. One that the Kings are not very good at running.

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LOUiE
November 24, 2020 7:26 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Yep. Teams always put the team over players. Players really should do the same when they have the control.

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 7:37 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I get it that he owes us nothing, and admittedly I care strictly about the team, not so much the individual players. I just have a suspicion that there’s no love lost from his standpoint.

PejaVu2
November 24, 2020 10:53 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Exactly. He was under no obligation to sign the Bucks offer. I thought he was agreeing because there wasn’t a big difference in salary to what Atlanta offered and he wanted to play with Giannis. Maybe Atlanta upped their offer or his agent was able to squeeze them for more, convinced the Kings wouldn’t match. Would be interesting to see the behind the scenes. It would be funny if Giannis gets traded for Trae Young, Capela, Huerter, Collins, and all Atlanta’s draft picks for six years lol, then the team that originally thought they would get to draft him would finally have him and he could play with Bogi. I just would love that for entertainment though I don’t think Atlanta wins a ring out of it.

extra
November 24, 2020 6:15 pm

This might be the right decision for other franchises, where “roster flexibility” can translate to free agent signings. But for the Kings it’s the wrong decision. They will regret it when/if players get injured throughout the league and a market opens up for Buddy.

RAP87
November 24, 2020 8:05 pm
Reply to  extra

Nahh they won’t regret this decision. Players getting injured? The more it increases our chance at losing and getting a higher draft pick in a loaded 2021 draft class while not tying too much money on players that won’t move the needle that much. Sounds good to me!

eddie41
November 24, 2020 6:17 pm

I’m okay with this because the Kings drafted Haliburton. Really excited about the young backcourt.

ForKingsandCountry
November 24, 2020 8:34 pm
Reply to  eddie41

Gotta be honest I kind of agree. I am way more excited about drafting Haliburton than I am upset about losing Bogi for nothing. Do I wish we could have gotten an asset back for him? Sure, but I’m not losing that much over it.

TitleChaser
November 24, 2020 6:19 pm

Well, I guess that makes the rebuild official then. Best of luck, Bogi. May you help lift the Hawks to new heights.

I will say there’s was one thing that always bugged me— why didn’t the Fox, Buddy, Bogi, Barnes, Bagley/Holmes lineup get more run time? I know we’ve had some stubborn coaches, so that’s my first line of blame. However, I get the impression that Bogi struggled with small forward, at least defensively. Now, Bogi has a wingspan of 6’11 and a standing reach of 8’8, so I’ve seen written. I know he’s a bit slight, but I’m still annoyed if he couldn’t defend a position he had the length for. Oh well.

richie88
November 24, 2020 6:32 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

BB8 has the length to defend SF’s, but he isn’t as athletic as a lot of SF’s.

BeTheBall
November 24, 2020 6:35 pm
Reply to  richie88

Yeah, he can do it in a pinch, but the longer he spent at the 3, the worse the outcome was.

jay14bay
November 24, 2020 6:23 pm

I am content with this decision. In McNair we trust! Let’s go Hellaburton!

If they sign Whiteside please delete my account.

November 24, 2020 7:22 pm
Reply to  jay14bay

Lmao 😂

Yakshi
November 24, 2020 6:23 pm

Looks like the right decision for both teams.

Best of luck to Bogi.

realjc
November 24, 2020 6:23 pm

It’s the right move. Sacramento has to build through the draft, and I want our draft picks getting minutes immediately and three full years of evaluation so a decision can be rendered to keep or move them.

This upcoming season is a tank and development year, and Sacramento should be well positioned to add an impact player in the 2021 draft.

It looks like we are finally getting the strip the house down to the studs rebuild that should have happened years ago, and I’m fully onboard the Monte McNair plan.

Go Kings!

November 24, 2020 6:58 pm
Reply to  realjc

If it means we’ll be better and competing for the title and not just for relevancy then it’s a bitter pill that needs to be swallowed.

Unless Vivek eff it up in the future.

November 24, 2020 7:27 pm
Reply to  realjc

my favorite part of kings basketball for the last decade has actually been to just watch the rooks and 2 way players get minutes. I’m more excited for kings basketball now that I know Haliburton will probably get 25-30 minutes a night.

NorCalKingsFan
November 24, 2020 8:31 pm
Reply to  realjc

part of “building through the draft” is retaining the players you drafted that are legitimate NBA players

TheEffortPolice
November 24, 2020 9:45 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

Not if they lock you into a 30-something win group with few chances for improvement. That’s what the $60 million group of Buddy, Bogi, and Barnes do.

richie88