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Monte McNair says he went best players available in draft, pleased they turned out to be defensive-minded

The Kings did not bring Davion Mitchell in for a pre-draft workout, but interviewed him at the Combine.
By | 226 Comments | Jul 30, 2021

Sacramento Kings

Sacramento Kings general manager Monte McNair said Thursday night one of the team’s priorities this offseason was to improve the team’s defense. Though they weren’t focused on targeting defense in the NBA Draft necessarily, he said through “happenstance” they landed two specialists on that side of the ball.

Davion Mitchell, a guard out of Baylor, is known for his tenacity on defense and was named the 2021 National Defensive Player of the Year. Mitchell, nicknamed “Off Night” because his opponents typically have an off night against him, also earned Big 12 All-Defensive Team in the 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons. He led the Baylor to the 2021 NCAA Championship. With the 39th pick, the Kings selected Neemias Queta out of Utah State. Queta, a 7-foot center, earned the Mountain West Conference Defensive Player of the Year award in 2019 and 2020. He also holds records At Utah State for the most career blocks (219) and blocks per game (2.5).

“One of our priorities this offseason was to improve our defense and Davion, we saw him guard positions 1 to 4. We think he can come in and do just that from the get-go. Then of course, with Neemias’ size … his shot blocking ability. But really it was more happenstance, we didn’t go in targeting defense necessarily, we wanted the best players, the best talents, the best people we could get and obviously excited they ended up being two pretty darn good defenders as well,” McNair said.

Best player available over fit is something McNair reiterated regularly during his post-draft media session.

There were some questions following the Mitchell pick as to whether he worked out with the Kings before the draft. McNair confirmed that the Kings did not bring him in for a workout, but that they interviewed him at the Combine, saw him on the floor live and on film, and had scouts at Baylor games.

“We’ve been following him for years,” McNair said. “We know exactly what he’s about and he’s exactly the type of guy we want to bring in here so that made it an easy decision for us. … I love everything that Davion brings, that he stands for. The mentality that he’s going to go in and shut down the other team’s best player, which he did all through his college year. Just an incredible asset to add into the team we’re building here.”

A few other notes:

  • McNair didn’t really address much about the trade rumors this week leading up the draft: “There will be rumors out there and obviously it’s our job to explore those.”
  • There are questions about whether Mitchell’s shooting last season was a fluke. He shot 44 percent from three last season, but only 32 percent the previous season and his college career free throw percentage is 65 percent. McNair said he is confident that Mitchell will be able to shoot the ball from three because they graded him out as one of the “best workers in the entire draft.” He noted the type of threes Mitchell made last season – tough, deep shots off the dribble as he described them.
  • There are also questions about the fact that Mitchell is 22 years old and older players coming out of college not having a great track record in the NBA. McNair said: “A younger prospect I guess has more time to develop, but Davion is already there, played at an extremely high level. Arguably the highest level in college basketball this year as the leader of a national champion.”
  • On Queta: “I’m actually I guess happy he was playing at Utah State, maybe stayed under the radar for us. I don’t understand how a 7-footer who blocks 100 shots in a year stays under the radar, but incredible defensive capabilities, but I think what’s intriguing about him and is still under the radar is his offensive package, his IQ, his passing, one of the best passing big men in the game. Ability to show touch from outside and really score inside. Obviously, his size will help on the glass. Hopefully he’ll make a bigger name for himself in Sacramento.”

Mitchell and Queta will travel to Sacramento now. No word yet on if both will be available to play in the California Classic.

Watch the full press conference here. And stay for the credits at the end of the movie where Monte gives a few special shout outs:

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Bbmuteman
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July 30, 2021 1:55 pm

The roster construction still makes no sense without some major major moves.

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July 30, 2021 2:17 pm
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Holmes takes the MLE, no resign of Davis.

Fox, Mitchell
Hali, Wright, Ramsey
Barnes, Buddy, James, King
Bagley, Metu, Woodard
Holmes, Jones, Queta

Buddy for a SF would be ideal, but I actually think it’s far from “no sense”

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Noemal916
July 30, 2021 2:19 pm
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Kings will be lucky to even win 20 games with this roster.

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July 30, 2021 2:34 pm
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hahahaha…20 games with the same roster last year plus development of fox/hali/bagley, adding Mitchell and another year in the same system? Copy that bud

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July 30, 2021 2:38 pm
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You’re probably right.

35 it is. And I’m sooo excited.

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July 30, 2021 2:52 pm
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Please. More or less the same roster has played .430 ball two years in a row. 20 minutes of Mitchell isn’t going to change that.

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July 31, 2021 7:19 pm
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I don’t agree with 20 games, however the “same system” doesn’t feel like a good one to me. And we can’t pretend we are the only team that added players or has development

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July 30, 2021 2:19 pm
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Why does it matter, the current roster is bad. Add elite talent however possible. These are the two best defenders in the entire draft and both are ALSO fantastic offensive prospects, and leaders. This draft was an A+.

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July 30, 2021 2:30 pm
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Barnes, garuba, herb Jones, among others were listed as the best defenders in the draft. I’ll say that Mitchell is the best defender at the point guard slot.

The draft, in my opinion, is incomplete. If the season starts, and our roster is still the same, then I’ll say kings had a C draft. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the players picked. I just wish I shared that.

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July 30, 2021 3:31 pm
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I didn’t read all the comments yet. So my bad if someone already mentioned this but the Lakers sb nation has pretty good article that may shed some more light. Basically Wiz need a PG. Dennis shroder can’t be in trade talks till free agency starts. So to avoid what happened last year, it’s possible that Russ trade was announced but in reality what might happen is that after FA starts, we send buddy to LA, wiz get KCP and Dennis via sign & trade. Kings get Kuzma and harrel.

another thing to note is that kcp and harrel are klutch clients. It seems very unlikely that Lakers would blind side both of them like that. Considering their two stars and their relationship to Klutch.

I think we are just getting started here.

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July 30, 2021 3:42 pm
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I’ll head over that way to see what you mean. Thank you.

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July 30, 2021 3:56 pm
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Here is the link bud. There’s plenty more to it that might make you think that Russ deal is not what’s being reported. Like Harrell opted in only because of the role he’d have in sac and because of his relationship with Rico Hines. He has no interest in Wiz.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/7/30/22602295/lakers-rumors-russell-westbrook-buddy-hield-trade-kyle-kuzma-montrezl-harrell-blindsided

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July 30, 2021 8:10 pm
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The other analysis that is blowing through the talking head circuit is that Wizards are going to trade Harrell and KCP to the Nets for Dinwiddie. That makes more sense to me.

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July 30, 2021 1:55 pm

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July 30, 2021 2:10 pm
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And…

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July 30, 2021 2:41 pm
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Monte McNair doesn’t play games. Damn!

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July 30, 2021 1:57 pm

The BPA is a player we are bringing off the bench for the nest five years!

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July 30, 2021 2:01 pm
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Perhaps he envisions a three guard starting five. If Davion is as advertised on defense, he should be starting from day one.

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July 30, 2021 2:03 pm
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I’m assuming buddy sits and kings slot haliburton as the 3 in that scenario?

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July 31, 2021 4:46 pm
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LOL, “harmless logical question gets disproportionate amount of down votes” … I agree with you, that’s what I’m hoping/assuming the plan is unless there are more moves coming.

Have a thumb to get off the o-for.

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July 30, 2021 2:03 pm
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That’s a really small lineup. Can work in spurts but not sure it could work as your future starting 5 with all 3 of Fox, Haliburton and Mitchell.

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July 30, 2021 2:15 pm
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It’s not *that* much smaller than the (very positive) closing lineup the Kings were running last season with Holmes/Barnes/Buddy/Hali/Fox. Swapping Mitchell for Buddy in that lineup probably improves it defensively despite the lost size though obviously gives up some shooting and maybe some rebounding.

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July 30, 2021 2:03 pm
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I don’t see that happening.

I think he gets plenty of minutes but he doesn’t start so long as Fox and Hali are the core of the franchise!

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July 30, 2021 2:15 pm
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Even if he starts, the three won’t share a ton of minutes together. Ideally you’ll have two of the three on the court at all times, mixing and matching.

Fox
Butler
Hali
Barnes
Holmes

That’s a fun lineup, but doubt it would equate to a play in spot over the course of a season.

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July 30, 2021 2:18 pm
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Fox

Butler

Hali

Barnes

Holmes

Did we trade for Jimmy Butler?

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July 30, 2021 2:38 pm
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Shit did we?

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July 30, 2021 2:40 pm
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Did we trade for Jimmy Butler?

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July 30, 2021 2:20 pm
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Smart comes off the bench for a legit team

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July 30, 2021 2:36 pm
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I love the downvote for an actual fact lol

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July 30, 2021 2:42 pm
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Wasn’t me. But there are some liberal down voters out there!

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July 31, 2021 4:47 pm
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“Never let facts get in the way of a good down vote”

Signed, Knights Herald commenters

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July 30, 2021 2:56 pm
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Yeah. thanks for confirming this:

The BPA is a player we are bringing off the bench for the nest five years!

You are saying that the Kings FO felt that the BPA at the No. 9 this year has a Marcus Smart ceiling. That’s fine and all, but that is what it is.

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July 30, 2021 3:18 pm
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Marcus Smart has the 7th most win shares in his draft class…if Mitchell produces top ten win shares in this draft class, then that’s probably a good pick.

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July 30, 2021 3:23 pm
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Butler, sorry meant Mitchell.

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July 31, 2021 4:30 pm
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Very easy to confuse with Davion Butler.

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July 30, 2021 3:45 pm
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Absolutely nothing wrong with a good player off the bench. They can still get starter minutes and give starter impact even if they aren’t on the floor at tip off. That said, Smart isn’t an especially good comp. Smart is bigger thus more versatile defensively, and a better facilitator. Mitchell is a better shooter.

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July 30, 2021 3:50 pm
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i don’t think that’s necessarily true. His contract lines up with fox. We have four years to do positive things here. We are assuming Mitchel would develop into a player that needs to start. Hopefully he does. If that happens, that’s a great problem to have. We would still have team control w/ RFA. And if it turns into a buddy like situation, and someone really doesn’t want to come off the bench, you have a starting caliber player under team control who can be traded to bring in whatever pieces the team may need at that time. Or maybe trade one of the other two if they don’t live up to the expectations. I think this was great move by monte to stick with BPA. As much as I love Hali, Mitchel would be perfect insurance for Hali’s spot in case something really goes wrong with Hali’s development.

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July 30, 2021 1:57 pm

That was 20 minutes of saying about 30 seconds of information. This is pretty much par for the course, but for whatever reason, it bugs me more with McNair.

Also, if you’re a public figure, calling out your critics is childish and bush league. You don’t want to be criticized, make a move to improve the team.

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July 30, 2021 2:00 pm
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That was 20 minutes of saying about 30 seconds of information. 

sounds like our governor.

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July 30, 2021 2:47 pm
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I’ll upvote that. I agree with the guy more than I don’t (and there’s enough where I don’t), but GET TO THE FREAKING POINT MAN.

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benodraino
July 30, 2021 2:09 pm
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Childish and bush league? Lol OK.

I guess blogboys gotta stick together and you feel it’s necessary to “stick up” for them, but they’re big boys, they’re adults – they can take getting called out. They do it enough themselves to everyone else. Just a small taste of the medicine they love to give out routinely.

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July 30, 2021 2:43 pm
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Hi Monte!

(I liked your selections, btw)

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July 30, 2021 2:49 pm
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I expect a certain level of professionalism from the General Manager of an NBA team. I’m not sure at all that it was in good fun. On other end, we’re talking about Greg, ruiner of things.

GREG.

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July 30, 2021 2:51 pm
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Monte:
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July 30, 2021 2:54 pm
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If he was funny, sure.

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July 30, 2021 2:56 pm
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He was funny. Stick to gardening!

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July 30, 2021 3:42 pm
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Are we talking Gervais or McNair? Gervais is hilarious. Mean, but hilarious. McNair I don’t find too much of a cut up, but that ain’t his job. In my defense, I never said I was actually good at cutting grass!

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July 30, 2021 2:58 pm
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I don’t find Ricky Gervais funny.

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July 30, 2021 3:01 pm
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of course you don’t

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July 30, 2021 4:07 pm
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Idk bro. I kind of appreciate that he joked about that. Made me feel like fan opinion matters to him also that he’s not some dude on a high horse that’s too big league to talk to local writers. I also think this is who he really is. Guy who likes to joke around rather than being all up tight like he seemed so far. I think he’s just finally getting comfortable and his personality is starting to show.

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July 30, 2021 2:13 pm
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I thought that was funny!

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July 30, 2021 1:58 pm

Surprised Monte didn’t address the failed Buddy-Fakers trade.
Most of us are disappointed with the draft, but it is what is. F/A and trades next week, hopefully the three B’s are traded next week.

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July 30, 2021 2:10 pm
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From what I’m hearing they are still in shock. They had their path it changed and there is nothing else going on in the background…yet.

Also still no receipts but what I was told was reported now nationally on how the trade was verbally agreed on and all parties thought they were going to their new teams.

With that being said I got some more info from that same source. I can’t say anything because it would be very clear who the person could possibly be that is sharing said info. But even if it’s half true….I’m done. It sucks not being able to say it and trust me I want to share it badly just for the sheer told ya so’s that would come raining down from this place. But this shit isn’t ever going to change until Vivek is gone. Same show different ponies.

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July 30, 2021 2:18 pm

If there was a verbal agreement, aren’t the Lakers in the wrong as opposed to the Kings? I’m assuming teams reneging on a verbally agreed upon trade happens very rarely. Surprised the media isn’t covering this. Laker elitism at its finest.

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July 30, 2021 2:26 pm
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I think most teams would reneg on a trade that didn’t change what you had to give up but you get Westbrook in place of Buddy…I feel like the Lakers didn’t expect to be able to get Russ for a bag of chips

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July 30, 2021 2:37 pm
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Yeah, I’m sure McNair and Pelinka had a trade in the works. Pelinka probably left the trade conversation open and told McNair: “Hey, we have a deal for now, but if you get a better trade package for Buddy, take it in all honesty. If I get a better trade package for my guys, I will have to take it too. Let’s just call it a gentleman agreement”.

The rumor of Westbrook wanting out of DC came out recently, and the Wizards shipped him out quickly to avoid any media noise (see Lillard). Pelinka had plans A, B, and C while McNair only had plan A with Hield until FA starts.

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July 31, 2021 2:55 pm
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Yes, and to take it even further, there is no “wrong” it just didn’t happen. I don’t see what this has to do with the Kings front office at all. The Lakers found a deal they liked better. What are you gonna do?

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July 30, 2021 2:43 pm

Damn, now I really want to know.

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July 30, 2021 2:48 pm

Are you suggesting Vivek nixed the deal because he didn’t want Buddy to leave?

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July 30, 2021 2:54 pm
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This is why we need a TKH Slack channel.

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July 30, 2021 2:59 pm

What about Discord? Does anyone use that?

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Here, everyone just text me their Kings dirt:

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July 30, 2021 3:03 pm

I got your number on the wall

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Kosta posting SMF’s number:

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July 30, 2021 5:00 pm

LOL

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July 30, 2021 3:23 pm
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I’m suggesting that I feel bad for McNair. I’m suggesting that it’s not coincidental we are making the same mistakes with poor roster construction yet again even though we have a “new” GM. I’m suggesting once upon a time in Detroit they would have loved to have Davion Mitchell. I’m suggesting Vlade loved taking big men and could justify that pick to his boss. Now we love taking guards….hmmm.

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July 30, 2021 3:28 pm

I think it’s safe to assume that the one doing the drafting for us is Jerry Reynolds.

He let it slip by praising Davion Mitchell on more than one occasion during the podcasts.

😛

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July 30, 2021 3:53 pm

I don’t understand the point of having a GM if you are going to let certain individuals make the call anyway.

I get what you’re saying, but it’s quite possible that McNair takes Mitchell anyway.

That said, if Joe Dumars is running the show, put him in charge.

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July 30, 2021 3:01 pm

Lol

your “source” huh?

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July 30, 2021 3:02 pm

fans do have sources at times

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July 30, 2021 3:26 pm

Does Grant count as a source?

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July 30, 2021 3:24 pm

 It sucks not being able to say it

Then don’t even start it.

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“Internet rando refuses to share alleged internet sources, but luckily reading audience largely unaffected”

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July 30, 2021 3:39 pm
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Isn’t it better that he doesn’t burn bridges for future trades by calling out the Lakers for switching deals? Or, if for some reason the Kings shuttered the deal, isn’t it better that he doesn’t go around saying he had a better deal two days ago?

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July 30, 2021 3:47 pm
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Vlade was way in above his head literally no one can dispute that even within the kings org now. But funny thing about the whole we had a better deal two days ago thing, anyone remember why they didn’t take that better deal two days ago?

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Agreed.

It’s entirely possible Pelinka called Monte before the Wizards trade was made or shortly after, explained that Russ became available out of nowhere, Monte said he understood and would have done the same thing, and they hung up the phone agreeing to the next part of the deal discussed above when it’s allowed by the league.

No bridges burned, open communication on another deal down the road.

My God, this world would be a better place if people didn’t just assume the worst of others all the time.

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July 30, 2021 2:05 pm

I’m all for BPA, but I guess I disagree on who it was.

Seems like the classic parlay a hot tournament and shooting mirage into an inflated draft stock. The most overhyped prospect in this class.

And I doubt he’s been following him for years. I don’t even recall him having first round consideration before March Madness, let alone in his fully pedestrian college career of years past.

Seems to me like Giddey and Wagner coming off the board threw everything out of whack and he was scrambling to pick up the pieces.

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July 30, 2021 2:30 pm

you really think Monte is so dumb that he has no plan for what to do if Wagner or Hidden were off the board?? lol it’s literally his job to have contingency plans. this is the guy they wanted considering who was left

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July 30, 2021 2:51 pm

Fair people can disagree with taking Mitchell and the strategy, but these kind of takes the last 24 hours are ridiculous:

Seems to me like Giddey and Wagner coming off the board threw everything out of whack and he was scrambling to pick up the pieces.

Assuming a paid professional basketball team staff didn’t plan for what would happen if their preferred players were gone, is just a lazy and nonsensical take. Doesn’t mean they will get the choice right, but we create this mental image of Wagner coming off the board and then Monte is like “Oh shit, never would have guessed. Quick fire up the NCAA tournament tape, who do we like? We got 5 mins everyone!”

Like, just c’mon

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July 30, 2021 3:20 pm
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Totally agree. I’m sure they had a draft board and they used it. As a big critic of the lack of movement to improve the team, I’m actually happy they picked yet another guard.

It puts pressure on them to actually do something, and McNair hinted at that in the presser. If they walk into next season with half a roster of guards, they’re going to start being compared to Vlade F. Divac, and there’s no bigger insult to a NBA front office executive.

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July 31, 2021 4:58 pm
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Agreed and thumbed, I assume “draft boards” – even if scribbled on a dry erase board – are used as an actual ranking system, right?

As in, they may have had Wagner ranked one spot ahead of Mitchell, and when Wagner went 8, they … wait for it … went Mitchell at 9?

Plausible. Veeeeeeery plausible.

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July 30, 2021 2:05 pm

Look, if Mitchell becomes a B-Jax level contributor, he’s a fine pick at 9.

That said, compare the day to the Dubs, Lakers, Clips, Rockets, Thunder, and maybe the Griz and Pels. Did the Kings gain or lose ground on these teams? Do you see this team climbing above the 12 seed, and if so, to where? 11? 10?

Monte can spend his time tweaking the noses of his critics if he likes, and I think that it’s all in good fun. But scoreboard is scoreboard. Humility should really rule the day (and weeks) (and months) (and years) for the Sacramento Kings.

Welcome to Sacramento, Davion. I look forward to watching your energy.

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July 30, 2021 2:21 pm
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Rockets, Dubs and Magic killed it.
I really throught we would at least trade into the teens and pickup another player as there were still highly rated players available.

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July 30, 2021 2:52 pm
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It should be fairly easy to “kill it” on draft night when you have multiple first round picks. Like the Rockets, Dubs and Magic did. Maybe if we’d have committed to the tank last season we’d be sitting here with Josh Giddey instead…lol

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July 30, 2021 3:30 pm
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Ya they definetely had players fall into their lap. The Magic certainly weren’t expecting Suggs to be there, nor the Dubs Kuminga, nor the Rockets Sengun.
2 of the 3 tanked and reaped the rewards of this draft whilst the Kings keep on with the same yearly plan.

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July 30, 2021 2:12 pm

Is Davion 6’0 or 6’2? I’m seeing conflicting heights listed for him online.

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July 30, 2021 2:14 pm
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I keep hearing that is sub 6’1″ without shoes and 6’2″ in shoes. But whatevers, no dispute he will be a shorter guard.

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July 30, 2021 2:45 pm
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He’s 4 or 5 inches taller than Isaiah Thomas!

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July 30, 2021 2:46 pm
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And 2 years older than Isaiah Thomas too!

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July 30, 2021 3:00 pm
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Damn lawyers! 😛

Wait, he’s 34?

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But what is he for comparison sake? For instance, Chris Paul is listed as 6’0″. Is that Paul’s height with or without shoes? Is the average player 6’7″ with or without shoes? My feeling is that we should think of him as 6’2″ for comparison sake because it seems that most player’s heights are taken with shoes on — but idk.

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I’ve always heard everyone’s height includes two inches for shoes.

Though if you actually look at two inches on a ruler, that seems more like high heels, but so be it.

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July 30, 2021 2:34 pm
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He’s 6’0″ without shoes, 6’1.25″ with shoes.

In other words, he’s 6’0″

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July 30, 2021 2:38 pm
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I will never understand the NBA measuring guys with their shoes on.

I’m like 5’10” in my mountain biking shoes – I would totally wear them to the old man rec league combine for measurement

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July 30, 2021 2:45 pm

I’m like 6 feet with roller skates.

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July 30, 2021 3:32 pm
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I’m 7’3 with stilts

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July 30, 2021 3:53 pm
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Can you play SF in them?

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July 31, 2021 4:59 pm
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Yes.

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July 30, 2021 2:16 pm

“guard positions 1-4”

👀

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July 30, 2021 2:22 pm
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I agree the fit is weird but the dude did put the clamps on Cade Cunningham despite giving up 7 or 8 inches in the matchup. If that can translate he should at the very least be able to switch onto a lot of 4s when needed without getting killed (at least below the rim)

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July 30, 2021 2:41 pm

I doubt he’ll be asked to guard 1-4 in the NBA but I have my doubts switching 1-2 let alone 1-4. We’ll have to wait and see I suppose, but team defense will still have to play. He’ll be targeted until he can prove himself. He definitely has quick feet so I’m rooting for him. Hoping that “dog” mentality keeps him working… “CLAMPS” could be another nickname to “off-night” if he does hold his own… on second thought, “off-night” I like….

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Off-Night goes up there with some of the all-time great nicknames. He’ll be a dawg off the bench.

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Yeah, gotta admit, I love the nickname.

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July 30, 2021 3:21 pm

I keep hearing this. No, he didn’t put the clamps on Cade. Cade up up 24/7/4 and 25/8/5 in his two games against Baylor. Both times with a TS% over 62%. Mitchell did a good job of hassling him on the perimeter, but ultimately Cade did what we’ll probably see a lot of if Mitchell is matched up with bigger 2s and 3s. Shot over the top of him and used his size to bully him in the paint. Mitchell is a very good, on-ball point of attack defender, but he isn’t going to successfully defend bigger wings and up.

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July 31, 2021 4:44 am

This is why I should read all the comments before posting. You already said it much better than I.

Even I was starting to assume Cunningham dropped a clunker against Mitchell. After looking at the box score, this rumor gets four pinnochios.

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July 30, 2021 8:52 pm

Steve Smith had high praise for Davion’s defense, interrupting another analyst who said Mitchell’s defense was “great”, saying, “Let’s be clear his defense is elite, elite….and he has a great first step and a real work ethic…at Baylor he was t the first option on offense because they had four other players that could score, I actually think he will be a better scorer in the NBA.” I am paraphrasing based on my memory. It’s worth pulling it up and listening to. Smith was emphatic that Mitchell was a good choice.

Having said that, there is work to still be done, and TT isn’t a good next step.

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July 31, 2021 4:42 am

I’m curious about this ongoing “Davion put the clamps on Cade” chatter. Just checked the box score of the last matchup, in their conference tournament, Cade went 25-8-5 on 16 FGA (64% true shooting) with a NetRating of +28.

In the meantime, Mitchell went 13-1-3 on 13 FGA (46.8% true shooting) with a NetRating of -16.

Oh, and Cade’s team won by 9.

Time to put this meme to bed.

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July 30, 2021 4:22 pm
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I think 1-4 has more to do with his strength than height. Of course it’s probably not smart to have him guarding 3’s or 4’s but Im assuming what he meant was, in a switch everything defense, he may be able to hold his own for a couple of seconds before the help arrives and it won’t be a automatic bucket for the other team every time. Also he does have quick hands and feet. Knows how to take a charge and poke the ball loose.

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July 31, 2021 5:02 pm
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Remember when Vlade said Bagley could play some 3 if he needed to?

Or we could have just asked Luka to play 3 and be a point forward on occasion.

Either way.

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July 30, 2021 2:18 pm

Did we just draft the 2021 version of Mateen Cleaves? Looking that way.

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July 30, 2021 3:33 pm

Frank Mason Jr
Marcus Smart
Donovan Mitchell
Khalid el Amin

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July 30, 2021 2:23 pm

They think they got the next Marcus Smart, don’t they?

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July 30, 2021 2:56 pm

I think he’s more Marcus Smart than Mateen Cleaves.
Can’t wait to see how Monte cleans up the log jam tho…

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July 30, 2021 3:02 pm
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Let’s go the Kings war room as they get Smart:comment image

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July 30, 2021 3:56 pm
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He doesn’t really have anything in common with Mateen. The range of reasonable outcomes probably runs from Mike Conley on the high end to Jevon Carter.

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July 30, 2021 3:22 pm

Worth pointing out that he gives up 2 inches in height and 5 inches of wingspan to Marcus Smart.

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July 30, 2021 3:29 pm

What is his wingspan in gloves?

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July 30, 2021 3:31 pm
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If you wore pants you’d be longer!

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July 30, 2021 3:36 pm
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July 30, 2021 2:26 pm

I’m all for BPA but the lack of trade executions is what worry us the most. The fact that other NBA teams are just toying with the Kings about possible trade packages or offering almost nothing in return for Bagley sucks. I honestly start to feel sorry for McNair. I know he is trying his best, but it would take a miracle for the Kings to get out of purgatory basketball.

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July 30, 2021 2:30 pm
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Vivek saved the Kings but made it the laughingstock of NBA, other GMs sees this and are fucking with him. He set the franchise back several years and more, Monte will need a few more years to fix his shit

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July 30, 2021 2:34 pm
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Bagley is, at worst, $11M of salary relief next offseason or $11M of extra salary offset in a bigger trade. No reason to go Veruca Salt about trading him.

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July 30, 2021 2:45 pm

When do we get to hold this front office accountable for improving the team? It’ been a year.

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July 30, 2021 2:55 pm
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A single, extremely weird, year. Demanding instant results is childish, especially if you’re not in a market that is inherently attractive to superstar FAs.

Besides, the longer the suffering lasts the sweeter it will be when it all turns around. Trust me on this.

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July 30, 2021 3:31 pm

I’m not demanding results. I’m asking for forward progress. Two offseasons and a deadline is more than enough time standing around staring at a busted car with the hood up. We hired a mechanic. Time to stop drinking and start wrenching.

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July 30, 2021 2:59 pm
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Maybe after free agency? Or the start of the year to see what actually happens on the court?

Our Lord and Kings Savior, Ziller wrote in his Good Morning It’s Basketball newsletter (Paid subscription, which I highly recommend, so I will only put a snippet in here. Hope it’s not too much.)

“The other element of draft grades that is just completely a waste of everyone’s energy is the idea of fit, filling roster holes and meeting team needs. Why? Because free agency is always a few days after the NBA Draft. Many teams will undergo radical changes one out of every three offseasons. Dinging a team for taking a big when they have three bigs already without knowing what they are going to do with those bigs come the start of free agency and heavy trade season — just … why? This is the start of a team construction or augmentation process, not the final touches. We’re grading an essay test after the first paragraph is written.”

Our immediate reaction is, but we have 2 PG’s! Mine was. But there are surely moves coming or possibly a shift to running more 3 PG offense at times. So why do we care about fit the day after? There aren’t any games till October.

He also talked about how mock drafts create this false reality and make us instantly judge the selections when it’s just nonsensical to do it. Givony is one of the top “draft experts”, spends his whole life doing this and he got 1 pick right between 4 and 12. If there were no mocks, we would have very different reactions to the drafts and selections, because none of us know much without the mocks to give us at least some guidance. But hey, it’s fun and keeps us talking basketball in the off season. I’m guilty as anyone of it.

I think if 30 games into next season we see the same old shit, then yeah probably time to start making some Monte evaluations. I wouldn’t axe him or anything yet, but I would be starting to question.

Just my 2 cents when thinking about the direction and what’s an appropriate reaction for my own sanity ; )

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Yeah, I don’t necessarily have a problem with the pick. Pick the BPA and they did that, right or wrong, so I don’t disagree with Ziller here. But there’s been a lack of activity on a bad team, and they need to take a swing. I mentioned above that the ridiculously unbalanced roster probably pushes them to do something, and I’m hopeful that whatever that is will be a positive. We’ve been taking pitches long enough. Time to swing the bat.

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July 30, 2021 3:30 pm
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Good point about how this really does seem to force some movement…hope we like the results. Or more importantly, hope they work : )

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July 31, 2021 4:49 am
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Yeah, I don’t sweat the draft stuff too much at this point, since nobody really knows how it will turn out.

But it does seem that his inability to close a trade deal is less of a one-off. This could be bad luck, an inexperience thing, or just incompetence. It’s concerning, but he does have time to salvage the offseason.

Regardless, it’s hard to take him completely seriously when he not only retains Luke Walton, but tries to sell the “he’s the guy to take us to the playoffs” talk. If anything, he should have been lighting a fire under all these guys – coach and players.

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At least he didn’t fuck up the Lakers thing as bad as he did the Bogi thing. That’s … progress? I guess?

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Great time to point out that the $11.5 million going to Pervis this year could have helped re-sign Holmes.

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July 30, 2021 2:37 pm
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I really don’t think the Kings did anything wrong on this particular trade. I think Washington just looked at the Buddy package that was originally negotiated in good faith by both sides and said, “hey, Rob. What up? Want Westbrook for that Buddy deal?” And LA decided Westbrook was a better get than Buddy. Simple as that.

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July 30, 2021 2:41 pm
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exactly

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July 30, 2021 2:45 pm
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Westbrook and AD went to LeBron’s home 2 weeks ago to begin the planning.

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July 30, 2021 2:49 pm
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For sure. Hey LBJ, who do you want Buddy or Russ?

“Are you kidding me?”
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July 30, 2021 2:52 pm
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Yeah Buddy was the backup plan all along, too bad it didn’t work out

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July 30, 2021 2:43 pm
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You say “us” but please know you do not speak for me.
I’m very grateful that Monte was either unable to execute or pulled out of the Buddy for Kuzma trade, personally. I anticipate there will be something out there he can dig up that doesn’t require us giving the Lakers the last piece to their 3 year dynasty puzzle, honestly. We have plenty of assets and there’s plenty of opportunity for Monte to find the right pieces for our own playoff puzzle.

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July 31, 2021 4:51 am
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Come on, he did not “pull out” of the Kuzma trade. And the asset would have been the #22 pick, not so much the players coming back.

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July 30, 2021 2:27 pm

Maybe the Mitchell acquisition leads to a combination of Fox and Bagley or Buddy and fluff going to Philly for Simmons? I’m fine with a Hali/Simmons/Mitchell lead Kings team along with a re-signed Holmes. Maybe we could pry Maxey or Thybulle from Philly? I don’t know, but while I still love Fox and appreciate him, I don’t think the Kings get anywhere with him as the #1 or #2 guy. Simmons with Hali and Mitchell is enough playmaking and defense to make a difference IMO.

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I’ve kept coming back to this general thought over the last few hours, that Fox and Hield might be Philly-bound in exchange for Simmons. FWIW, I’m pretty unsettled by it (but would love to keep Holmes).

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July 30, 2021 3:32 pm
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I totally agree. Its really hard to part with a guy who actually wanted to be here and put up numbers. I’m just not sure we can win with him as currently constructed. Our other pieces are not going to net something to pair with Fox that equals a winner, thus Fox sounds like he should be the one being shopped to build around Hali and Mitchell.

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July 30, 2021 3:39 pm
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First, I don’t think Fox is getting traded. At least not anytime soon. That said, I’d be hesitant to take things like this:

a guy who actually wanted to be here

At face value from any player (with an agent in their ear), much less a media savvy guy like Fox.

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July 30, 2021 3:43 pm
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I would love this for the BBIQ and defense. It would change the team’s whole identity, from an offensively talented but undisciplined/unfocused to a disciplined, focused, pain in the ass to play. At the end of the day, I want Fox to stay… but if losing him means getting Simmons, that’s a trade of one might-be-an-All-Star for one proven All-Star (with a chip on his shoulder and something more to prove). And losing Buddy would be practically addition by subtraction at this point. Fox + Buddy + future 1st for Simmons & Co.? I think I’d buy it.

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July 30, 2021 3:52 pm
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I think there’s something to this.

If the wild speculation on the Laker site happens to be correct, (a 3-way deal that sends Buddy out, and returns Kuzma and Harrell), then Fox being sent out for a premiere wing suddenly makes sense.

It’s a risk, but one worth taking, considering that cap space and roster construction don’t currently allow the Kings to really balance and build a playoff contender based around Fox. In other words, based on the current backcourt talent on the roster, you can’t have your max contract at the PG spot and build a playoff contender from there.

You weaken the backcourt in the immediate term (though I might argue that long-term, Mitchell and Hali complement each other better than Fox and Hali), but you dramatically strengthen the frontcourt and balance the roster.

If (and that’s a very big IF), McNair really is playing 3-dimensional chess here, then Mitchell very suddenly makes perfect sense.

PG – Mitchell/Wright
SG – Haliburton/Davis
SF – Player in return for Fox/Barnes
PF – Kuzma/Harrell
C – Holmes/Metu/Jones

I like that roster balance. I like it a lot.

(This assumes that Bagley is moved for a Quarter Pounder with Cheese, and a bottle of Elmer’s Glue.)

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July 30, 2021 3:38 pm
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Barnes, Buddy, Bagley and however many firsts for Simmons. I wouldn’t give up Fox in a Simmons trade.

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July 30, 2021 2:29 pm

Surprised like everyone, just waiting for the Woj bomb trade alert to come and it never did. But after thinking more last night, the move can make some sense assuming some roster replication is shipped out.

There has been success for NBA teams to play 3 PG lineups for stretches. Thought this was an interesting read:

Could More NBA Teams Succeed With Three Point Guards Playing Together?

Kings kind of have exactly that including a larger wing facilitator in Barnes. No they won’t start together likely, but I think we may see lineups with them all together and it may not have the negative consequences we traditionally would think about in terms of size and rebounding.

Thought this was an interesting read about rebounding and changing a little bit from sheer size to quickness due to long rebounds from so many 3’s:
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

I don’t think Fox and Hali are going anywhere and the hope is that these 3 eventually suck up all 96 minutes at both guard spots plus probably 8-10 or so wing minutes a night too, playing together…maybe closing depending on matchups. I’m interested to watch at least…seems like an absolute worker and easy guy to root for.

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July 30, 2021 3:06 pm
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Raptors did it with Lowry, VanVleet, Norman Powell and Danny Green in 2019.

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July 30, 2021 3:08 pm
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So did the Kings last season – The best big-minute, 5-man line-up the Kings played last year had Hield/Hali/Fox on the floor (with Holmes and Barnes).

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July 30, 2021 3:24 pm

Though overall lineups with Fox/Hali/Hield were a negative.

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July 30, 2021 3:29 pm

Mostly it was any lineup that didn’t have Holmes playing center was an absolute disaster and when those 3 were on the court together mid-game it was usually when Holmes was getting a rest.

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July 30, 2021 3:37 pm

Sure, that just means the presence of Holmes was vital, not that the Fox/Hali/Hield 3some was especially good.

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July 30, 2021 7:57 pm
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Not sure this is a great comparison. Raptors were loaded up front with Siakam, Kawhi, Gasol and Ibaka. But a 3 guard lineup with the ability to get a lot of deflections (which Fox and Haliburton can do) and be disruptive on the perimeter does make sense in today’s game, which is more predicated around jump shooters.

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July 30, 2021 2:46 pm

My Off-White shoes now say Off-Night

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July 30, 2021 2:53 pm

Yo!!! We got a good player ! These criticisms are ridiculous… you all want a shitty player with “potential “ rather than a proven champion . All because maybe there 6 inches taller .. you all crack me up .. plus we got a monster rim protector w a second round pick . A+ draft

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July 30, 2021 3:45 pm

I’m just happy they picked a guy who clearly knows how to play basketball really well, instead of someone who’s “a great athlete” but “raw” and “is still learning the game.” If you don’t “know the game,” you’re not a pro-caliber player and shouldn’t be drafted anywhere near the lottery.

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July 30, 2021 2:54 pm

I like the picks!

We definitely have to clear up the guard logjam, but I guess that’s what happens sometimes when you go for BPA. Get the talent, then do the shuffling. I hated that Vlade passed on Donovan Mitchell because we already “had our guards set”, so I’m glad they didn’t do something similar this time.

It could be fun watching Queta make passes as a center, and Mitchell seems like the kind of personality this team is in desperate need of: A leader and a son of a bitch, or whatever Jerry Reynolds said to praise his tenacity.

The opposing guards will have Off-Nights (I love that nickname)
…but he himself will be Davi-ON!

(Monte McNair did not threaten me on twitter to endorse his picks)

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July 30, 2021 10:25 pm
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This is sort of how I feel. The front office now has a lot of scouts and personnel guys. If Mitchell was their BPA, then pick him. I personally think this draft class is the most overrated and overhyped of all time. So if they got a quality player at 9, we are already winners in the draft. 4 years for 16 million is a bargain for a quality combo guard off the bench. And although the draft analysts were divided on Mitchell, I do think he will be a quality player. (Already is one, actually) He was in my top 10 and most people agree his on ball defense is elite, which is sort of something we need.

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July 30, 2021 2:54 pm

So are we sure Fox isn’t getting traded?

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July 30, 2021 2:56 pm
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I’d rather we trade Buddy and somehow keep Richaun.

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July 30, 2021 3:10 pm
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We could keep both…Holmes may take the full MLE

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July 30, 2021 3:35 pm
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I doubt that. Holmes full EBR rights are worth more.

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July 30, 2021 3:43 pm
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I’m sorry, that’s what I meant. The 4/47 deal

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July 30, 2021 4:06 pm
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Gotcha. No biggie Mike.

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July 30, 2021 3:00 pm
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If we hope to get anything worth a damn, probably going to have to part with Fox. Just gotta be the right deal.

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July 30, 2021 3:01 pm
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If it happens, I think commenters reactions will be split 50/50.

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Depends on the trade, but I’ll say one thing, I definitely have some leadership concerns from a guy putting up great stats that tried to talk around how bad nine game losing streaks were.

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July 30, 2021 3:07 pm
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Fox will probably get traded next offseason for the right offer if Mitchell is a beast.

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This seems like the most probable scenario if Kings were to entertain the idea of trading Fox, which I don’t think they are doing now. But if Mitchell performs to the level that people think he can, then trading Fox (and offloading his max contract) could make sense. I really like Fox, so this would suck, but it’s not hard to imagine this scenario being a fruitful one for the team.

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July 30, 2021 3:00 pm

Meanwhile, other teams manage to get trades done.

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1421225980895666195?s=20

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July 30, 2021 3:47 pm

Spoke too soon lol

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Oh shit, I’m a Kings jinx.

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Posted this in the last thread but it was based on watching this presser. I am amiss, more than I have been in recent memory. Let’s be clear frustration isn’t on Mitchell respectfully. I hope he does well and enjoys his time here. But the logic and or rationale I cant seem to place. And when I do find an argument, I am left with less than desirable outcomes.

I assume a Buddy deal is imminent or hoped for by McNair. So is his belief in 3 guard lineups potentially working. And the character driven selections since the Cousins era are at least stressed at every opportunity they can be.

But even with guarded Monte, the consistent public rationale of decisions helping a desired playoff push over more rebuilding rhetoric that reflects a likely bottom 10 record I think is at the core of the problem. That motivation underpins the justification of drafting a 23 year old by seasons start, oppose to upside selections or dart throws for league top talent. Let alone complicates returns for presently impactful players simply being exchanged for future assets.

This tightrope is not only unconvincing for its desired goals, it feels a bit insulting. It implies that a 15 year playoff drought ending will make me agreeable or satiated from whats been perpetual failure. For my sake it wont. I expect that this team should be or will be a rebuilding project in due time. And where will that leave a 25 or 6 year old Mitchell. If the Kings want to stop being the laughing stock of the league, they can start by admitting what they are, which is a bad team that doesn’t maximize that truth ever. Let alone the benefits that come such a truth.

That again doesn’t sit on Mitchell’s shoulders fairly, but the problems with this team are bigger than him. Last night I look at the likes of the the Pistons, Rockets, Thunder who in simply a season or two have built a core comparable to ours in talent, with assets in a lot of cases to boot. All projects whose justification haven’t been to have a spring basketball or 4 and out. The irony of course is because of that fact they very well might see the postseason before us. Yet all with aspirations for more.

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July 30, 2021 3:19 pm

Regarding a Buddy deal, SS&R is positing a really interesting point of view that I think is being under-considered (the really interesting part is about halfway through the article):

Lakers Rumors: Players in Hield trade ‘blindsided’ when it fell apart – Silver Screen and Roll

Here’s a snippet:

“While it’s possible that the Westbrook deal really did come together this quickly and will not involve the Kings and/or Hield at all, this is also exactly what the teams involved would have to project to make sure the NBA didn’t break up a possible three-team deal.

So if, in theory, the Lakers, Kings and Wizards had come to some sort of wink-wink, nudge-nudge agreement on a multi-team deal that involved sending unrestricted free agent Dennis Schröder to the point guard-hunting Wizards, they had to quickly leak a legitimate trade that the money worked on for Westbrook, meaning that Kuzma and Harrell are being directed to the Wizards… at least for now.”

Go over and check it out. Unlikely? Sure. Possible? Based on everything we witnessed yesterday, why not?

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July 30, 2021 3:23 pm
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If the Lakers blindsided their own players as Harrison Faigen suggested, that’s on the Lakers FO.

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No doubt. But reading deeper into that article, it’s suggesting that…maybe they didn’t (or ultimately won’t). It would require an awful lot of people to keep their mouths shut for several days though…

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July 30, 2021 3:25 pm
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Exactly why I said if. We’ll probably never know for sure.

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July 30, 2021 3:27 pm
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True, unless a 3-way deal *does* get consummated once free agency opens. Then the smokescreen will become clear. I still think it’s unlikely, but it’s really intriguing to think about.

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July 30, 2021 3:37 pm
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I just don’t see that being likely. The league can monitor texts and calls between teams now.

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July 30, 2021 3:50 pm
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August 17th the teams could trade the Kuz and Harrell pieces again. The money does work for a 3 team trade of Kuz and Harrell to the kings, buddy to lakers and Schroder to the wiz

That would clean things up a bit:

1: Fox, Mitchell
1/2: Hali, Wright
2: Davis
3/4: Barnes, Kuz, Woodard
4/5: Bagley, Metu
5: Holmes, Jones, Queta

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July 31, 2021 4:55 am
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This reminds me of the “we could still get DiVincenzo” talk after the Bogie trade started to fall apart a year ago.

I mean, anything is possible, but I suspect the Buddy-to-the-Lakers thing is dead.

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July 30, 2021 3:54 pm
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The Buddy to LA ship has long sailed.

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July 30, 2021 3:09 pm

How tall is Chris Paul? Because from everything I’ve read, he’s a lot like him. Even Chris Paul thinks so, as does Don Maclean. I think this is Hali version 2.

Also, a bad team doesn’t draft for fit.

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July 30, 2021 3:34 pm
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Paul is slightly shorter. He’s also of course in the argument for best PG of all time and at the same age that Davion put up 14/3/6 in college, Paul was scoring 20+ per game and leading the NBA in assists and steals. Let’s do ourselves a favor and not start throwing Chris Paul comparisons/expectations out there. Of course, he can come nowhere close to ever being anything like Paul and still be a very good selection at #9.

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July 30, 2021 3:57 pm

I don’t think OG is “comparing” Mitchell to Paul, just saying that Paul is also undersized and it doesn’t seem to be an issue for him in terms of succeeding as a PG in the NBA. I def don’t think OG is saying Mitchell is a lock for the HOF, anyway.

And there is no argument, the best point guard ever was Magic Johnson.

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July 30, 2021 4:20 pm
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It’s not an issue for Paul because he’s a historically good facilitator, highly efficient scorer with absolutely off the charts BBIQ. For any number of other 6 footers without those elite skills, it absolutely is an issue.

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July 30, 2021 8:24 pm

I think the one fair comparison to Paul is on the work ethic attribute. By all accounts, Mitchell is next level with regards to work ethic (and it showed in his year over year improvement) and you never hear about “historically” good players that weren’t ridiculously hard workers.

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July 30, 2021 3:29 pm

First off, I love Mitchell. Plays defense, tough-minded, everything this team is missing. That being said, Monte has lost some leverage since everyone now knows he needs to unload some guards quick.

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July 30, 2021 3:33 pm

Just spitballing, but assuming some sort of Bagley/Buddy/Barnes deal returns a starter-quality 4, and they find a creative way to bring Holmes back, is there enough of a talent mix in the backcourt log jam that the Kings might consider moving Fox for a wing of approximately equal value?

I’ll admit I don’t follow a lot of the league outside of the Kings, so I’ll leave it to others to speculate as to who that could be.

But I do know this – that would go a long, long way toward balancing this roster in a hurry.

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Frk.

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July 30, 2021 3:45 pm
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Hmmm.

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July 30, 2021 3:56 pm
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Not in love with this at all…..

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July 30, 2021 4:02 pm
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This sucks. Sticking with my opinion that McNair is a shitty GM. I can’t get behind anything he’s done since drafting Hali.

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July 30, 2021 3:48 pm
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Welp… here we are again. That’s an awful trade if we’re just swapping Wright and Thompson. What a clown show.

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July 30, 2021 3:53 pm

I mean, I get the logic. Clear up guard glut. Add big man depth. Add defense and toughness.

We went from soft as Charmin to “I’ll eat your kids if you touch me” in two days.

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July 30, 2021 3:55 pm
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Net negative on both the offensive and defensive ends. We couldn’t have signed a minimum player to do that?

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July 30, 2021 3:57 pm
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I said I get the logic, not the execution! 😉

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July 30, 2021 3:59 pm
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“How do you feel about the front office’s execution?”

“I’m all for it.”

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July 30, 2021 4:00 pm

Wright was a spare part for the Kings, Thompson fills a gap. I’m good with it.

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July 30, 2021 4:04 pm

Wright is a significantly better basketball player than Thompson that performs his role better. Thompson is replacement level.

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July 30, 2021 4:06 pm

Thompson is a huge downgrade from Holmes. Better rebounder, worse everything else.

So far, McNair has lost 2 quality starters for nothing. Increased team salary and lowered the level of talent.

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July 30, 2021 4:10 pm
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I don’t see this as precluding Holmes coming back. Thompson could back him up. Better than Whiteside?

I feel kinda just ehhh about it.

If Buddy goes soon, then I would assume the plan is to match on Davis, which is putting some belief in him and Mitchell.

The ball is probably just starting to roll. Who knows which way…

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Well, I am biased…I simply think Thompson is all around garbage, so trading anyone of value for him and his salary is just moronic, IMO. In addition to picking up someone I can’t stand, they also made it even harder to retain Holmes.

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July 30, 2021 3:49 pm
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You’ve got to be shitting me. This is my fault for asking the front office to do something. Monte at the next presser:

“Well here’s SOMETHING, Spackler.”

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July 30, 2021 3:48 pm

Whoa! And a shout out to “that Baby Giraffe guy”

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July 30, 2021 3:48 pm

I do not see why some people in the fan base are so disappointed with the Davion Mitchell selection. In the past I have watched us draft Bagley over Doncic because we were worried about fit next to Fox. We passed on Lillard because we needed a Power Forward. We passed on Donovan Mitchell because we had Buddy and Bogdan (despite Donovan having a great work out in Sacramento). Now we finally have a GM who will take the best player available regardless and you are all still complaining. I also do not see an obvious choice besides Davion, and I would love to hear who would have been a better choice. James Bouknight cant play wing, Sengun is undersized and a odd fit next to Holmes, Moody would have fit the bill but I’m not sure he’s better than Davion… Overall I am happy to have a GM who is showing patience and willing to identify this team needs talent over positional needs, especially considering we aren’t a contender.

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I can see the argument of Mitchell over Moody. With Moody, you have a catch and shoot SG + defense + some extra length. With Mitchell, you have a guy who can handle the ball, create his own 3 and defend – length. With Fox + Mitchell as primary ball-handlers, we can also play Haliburton more off-ball.

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July 31, 2021 5:16 pm
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Thumbed and very well said. I think Mitchell will be very, very good.

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July 30, 2021 3:57 pm

I can’t wait for kings fans to start crying over the Thompson trade even though twenty minutes ago they were all begging for monte to trade some gaurds and start bolstering our big rotation. Twitter is already a mess of cry baby knee jerk reaction idiots

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July 30, 2021 3:59 pm
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TBF, Tristan Thompson is not good and it’s a bad trade.

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Stretch provision time?

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You see, when people want to see a trade to free up guard minutes and add big depth they don’t necessarily mean just any trade regardless of who the players involved are. The implication is that they would like to see a good trade for a useful player of, at least, like value to the player you’re giving up.

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July 31, 2021 4:58 am
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“They were all” – riggggghhhhttttt.

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July 30, 2021 4:54 pm

“One of our priorities this offseason was to improve our defense and Davion, we saw him guard positions 1 to 4. We think he can come in and do just that from the get-go.”

Can’t wait to see the 6’2″ guard on a PF

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Not sure about the 4. But if people believe Cade is an NBA ready SF, then I’d say he can guard 1-3 based on his performance against him.

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July 30, 2021 9:10 pm

Praying to the basketball gods that Davion will be a cross between Tony Allen and the Glove, and Queta can at least be a cross between Duane Causwell and Mutombo.

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July 30, 2021 10:18 pm
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Queta looks like he can the pass the ball pretty well 🙂

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Have a thumb for the Duane Causwell reference.

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All I know is, Mitchell will be a significantly better pro than Wagner. Thank the Lord the Magic took that decision out of Vlonte’s hands.

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