Marvin Bagley suffered a vaguely reported right foot injury in practice on Sunday after landing awkwardly on a teammate while trying to secure a rebound. The Sacramento Kings announced that Bagley would be undergoing an MRI to determine the severity of the injury, and finally released the results of that MRI in a press release on Tuesday evening.
During an intra-squad scrimmage on July 19, Kings forward Marvin Bagley III sustained a right foot injury. Evaluation of his MRI results by a foot specialist today confirmed a lateral right foot sprain. The team has decided to hold Bagley III out for the remainder of the season. He is expected to make a full recovery.
It goes without saying, but this is terrible news for both Marvin Bagley and the Sacramento Kings. Bagley has suffered numerous relatively minor injuries throughout his two-year career, and that injury-rehab-return-injury-rehab-return cycle can certainly take its toll, both physically and mentally.
The Kings did note that Bagley is supposed to make a full recovery, and we can probably assume this injury won’t impact his status for next season, so if you’re searching for optimism, I found you some there.
With regards to the Kings and the Orlando restart, losing Bagley will hurt, but with Alex Len finally joining the team in Orlando, and Richaun Holmes out of league-mandated quarantine, and Harry Giles playing well, the Kings should be able to patch together a serviceable frontcourt rotation in Bagley’s absence.
The key to the Kings’ success moving forward without Marvin Bagley will be the availability of Harrison Barnes. Barnes tested positive for COVID-19 during the NBA’s initial round of testing, and hasn’t been cleared to join the Kings in Orlando yet. The Kings do expect Barnes to join them at some point, but it’s already July 21st, and the Kings play their first scrimmage against the Miami Heat on Wednesday night.
Bagley’s going to end up playing less games in his King’s career than Giles which is pretty impressive considering Giles sat out his entire rookie season.
Someone on Reddit referred to Marvin as Bagley III-IV weeks and thats what I’ll be referring to him as from now on.
Yeah I was thinking about that. Though it seems every “minor” injury to Giles balloons out for weeks.
Well the 76ers made it through Joel Embiid’s 1st two years so why can’t we? I’m just grasping at straws now with this team. Don’t think we even have anymore straws. I blame Caron Butler.
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Facts only:
Luka will end the season with more triple doubles than Bagley has games played.
And more triple doubles than total Bustley assists.
Splendid job, Vlade. Well done.
To be fair, Bagley’s assists should go up when they draft another big man and move Bagley to his natural position of small forward.
Vlade is watching the Nuggets right now like “if Bol Bol can play the 3, then so can Marvin!”
Don’t break down what each of them makes per played game.
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Could easily argue the Kings are better without Bags on the floor. Vlade and the pick are a catastrophe.
They were 2-11 when Bagley played this season and by any measurable statistic they are worse when he is on the floor. I think it’s safe to say they are better without him. Which is insane when you are talking about a guy who went #2 in the draft a year ago and a team that can barely win 40% of their games, but here we are.
I do believe that this improves the Kings chances of making the playoffs this season, but it’s fair to say these are super small sample sizes (300 minutes or so).
He’s making Pervis Ellison look like AC Green.
My wife makes me feel like AC Green!
Heh-heh-heh.
Well rotations just got a bit simpler…..
Good luck next year Glassly…..
That’s Mr Glass.
Sigh. I’m numb at this point. I’ve never rooted against Bagley and wanted him to succeed, but the injury-prone body and the lack of a major step forward in his second (albeit short) season have gotten me to the point where I would be shocked if he really became a really good player. I’m just not seeing it happening, which is why I’m just numb.
The burden that will follow him for the rest of his time with the Kings will forever be one of the top, if not the top, blunders of this organization drafting him at Pick #2 ahead of what is looking like extremely solid picks after him. And I have no faith this organization will develop him to his potential.
I’m bummed – for the Kings and Marvin. You can’t predict injuries and his have been pretty fluky. Hopefully he gets his bad luck injuries out of the way and returns healthy next year. Would have loved to see him get at least an 8 game run this season though. Feel for him.
Get well!
What’s most sad is the Kings have had the luck and good breaks to rebuild. The opportunities were no brainer moves and we overthought them. Let IT walk, pass on Luka, bone-headed trades, etc etc. So many examples of self-inflicted mismanagement that I’ve become numb too. I felt nothing about it. I told my wife tonight about MBIII-IV being out the rest of the season and she said, “Is he even gonna make it in the NBA?” I had to ponder that thought and realized I can’t confidently answer that question.
I still can’t understand why Vlade took Bagley over Luka. With any other team, this mistake would have cost the GM their job. But with Vivek, he gets a 4 year extension.
The extension-in-the-same-offseason-you-fired-the-coach-you-hired combo is a special move I can’t see many outside of Vivek making
Hired/fired both Joerger & Brandon Williams. Never had a winning season. Gets a four year extension. Kangz!
Fired the coach that got a system in place that actually played to the players’ strengths, increased the pace of play, and a 12 game win improvement.
Takes till July the following year for the next coach to say “we’re working on playing fast.”
…..
Utter mismanagement and incompetence.
Look at the bright side, Kings are still in it in July 😀
Now, this is just frustrating as fuck.
I know he’s only 21, but the early returns are disappointing. He’s shown us that he’s (1) an injury-prone big with wasted potential and (2) a high-end bench player that can’t start due to his defensive shortcomings.
Fuck Vlade.
Typically, if a big is having foot problems so consistently at this early age, it’s likely to follow him the rest of his career.
Sorry you disliked this comment, Daddy Bags.
Imagine how busy Daddy Bags is on twitter
Another negative: this gives Harry Giles more of a chance to show out.
With everyone tuning in, he’ll get more than what the Kings can offer him.
I’m happy for Harry for the opportunity, but damn the Kings fucked up by not picking up his optionm
I can’t believe this is even a thing.
I might be more mad about that than not picking Luka. Because while it won’t be the most damaging thing to the franchise ever done by a Kings GM, the sheer stupidity of their thought processes and the conclusions they drew with Giles’ options.
Like my brain cannot comprehend how it’s a thing that Vlade can’t navigate something as trivial as rookie scale contract options with effing it up.
I think they didn’t feel like Harry took his NBA career seriously enough. But this organization is so poorly run that literally nobody else believes in any decision they make even if they happen to be correct on a particular decision.
The reality is I think the Giles era would have ended poorly either way. Either he didn’t show enough to the organization to get on the court more or they didn’t pick up his option and it looks like they are incompetent.
Until this organization gets that their status quo will literally never breed any sort of belief in them, until they actually show real continued sustained success, we’ll continue going back and forth on this IMO.
This is a good point. The franchise may well be handling the Giles situation appropriately, but it’s really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I think the issue is that this:
Runs contrary to pretty much every other assessment of Giles we’ve ever heard. Aside from one odd comment about his conditioning all we’ve ever heard is that he’s exceptionally hard working. So no, the Kings won’t get the benefit of the doubt because they’ve never earned it, but they’re also doing and saying things that go against the general consensus. Which is fine. You just derned well better be right. Morey, for example, keeps bucking conventional wisdom, but keeps putting out a winning product.
I’ll wager you $50, payable to Loaves and Fishes, that he doesn’t get a contract that exceeds what the Kings can offer on a per year basis. I made some money for them making the same bet against WCS’s free agent contract and I’m happy to do some more good here.
I’ll be very surprised if Harry gets more than a minimum 1 year deal from other teams.
The only problem with gambling on that is that I haven’t the slightest clue what free agency is going to look like next season (or the cap, for that matter).
In an alternate universe, I think Giles could have played himself into some money, depending on whether the Kings were actually letting him on the floor.
Here’s a list of free agent centers. Even if Giles played great down the stretch here, he’s probably not a top 10 unrestricted free agent at his position, particularly given his injury history. Putting aside the prospect of a drop in the cap, he wouldn’t have warranted much more than a minimum deal even with a stretch of inspired play.
Yeah, I’m not sure that’s correct. But obviously, it’s a weird world now.
I’m not saying he’d be getting big dollar offers, but I don’t think he’d be withering on the vine either (disclaimer again: this assumes he’s getting a decent amount of run down the stretch of the regular season).
Do you have a comp in mind from the last year or two in FA that at all supports the position he’d be getting $3-4 million per in guaranteed money? I’m struggling to think of one. Plus, as mentioned, Giles is sui generis because I’m guessing there’s a large percentage of the league that probably wouldn’t touch him b/c of the injuries.
Given the market this summer will be unpredictable, but just last summer Zubac got 3/21 and Looney got 3/14.5. Zubac was the same age as Giles. Looney was 1 year older. Their stat lines are pretty similar with each having their advantages and disadvantages. All have significant injury histories.
I’m not saying Giles will get a lot. I’m not going to pretend to know. What I do think is that 1 year/$4MM is an extremely low risk investment for the chance to maintain team control over a high upside, young prospect for a team desperate for the type of playmaking upside Giles has shown flashes of possessing.
Zubac is an interesting one, thanks. His numbers are a bit better but I forgot he got paid so much. Lumping those guys together by saying they all have “significant injury histories” is creating a false equivalency as far as Giles is concerned. I also think you guys are overrating Giles’ rare flashes in terms of how that establishes his market value. My charity wager offer stands if you think Giles gets $4 million or whatever the room exception ends up being from another team.
To play apples to apples, Zubac played 102 NBA games and 1450 NBA minutes in the 2 seasons before signing his deal. Giles has played 96 and 1399 minutes. Assuming Giles plays all 8 remaining games and gets 15-ish minutes a game in each, he would be at 104 games and 1519 minutes. For full disclosure, if we want to include them Zubac also played 14 G-league games (419 minutes) in that time frame. Where Giles played 4 games (91 minutes).
That said, I wouldn’t say Zubac’s pre-contract numbers were better. Here’s the comparison. He had slight advantages in rebounding and blocks. Giles had advantage in assists and steals. The only differences that are more than negligible percentage points is Giles assists and Zubac’s shooting percentage. But if we look closer, Zubac shot 62% of his shots within 3 feet (shooting 65% on those). While only 26% of Giles shots this year have come in that range (making 83%).
Ultimately, I’m not really arguing that Giles will get a lot of money. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if his market ends up being less the $4MM per. I just think that even in the case that it is, the Kings like made a mistake by giving up team control. Even if he gets league minimum (yes, I’m confident he’ll get an NBA deal), which as far as I can tell for Giles would be just over $1.5MM per season, I would argue simply retaining team control over a young player with upside is well worth paying an extra $2MM or so.
How much do you really think a guy is worth who is averaging 7 & 4 Otis? I realize his passing adds another element, but how confident are you running the Kings offense through Giles at this point?
I wouldn’t see it as an analysis so much of his statistical output (for a pretty dumb franchise), as his skillset and potential. And again, this is considering he was getting minutes down the stretch of the season.
Maybe in our new environment, his upside doesn’t get him a sniff in FA, but I’m not sure it wouldn’t have in a normal world.
Sucks for Marvin, but he’s still so young and the upside is still so high that I still can’t count him out. Call me overly optimistic, stupid, delusional, whatever have you. But coming from a guy who was in shambles for months after we passed on Luka, I still have faith in Bags. (You’re right I might be a stupid, delusional, overly optimistic d-bag.)
Truth is that I’m kind of unphased by this. I’m excited to watch the team that was trending upwards when the season got cut short and Marvin was obviously not part of that. I wanna see the guys who were playing great basketball to keep excelling in those roles and prove their worth for our next season. I truly feel that a healthy Marvin for this 8 game sprint would’ve hindered that a bit. And that isn’t a shot at Bagley at all.
A little off topic, but I just feel like there’s been little to no Bjelly talk on the boards, by the press or the coaching staff. Am I missing something or am I the only one that likes the dude?
There was an article on Bjelica here a week ago today.
Just found it. Thanks dude!
No problemo. To your point, it’s either him or Hield for Kings POY. Fox is the best player but has played 19 fewer games than those guys.
De’Aaron is the best. Watch yo mouf!
I really don’t get why some in Kings media have this obsession with a few randos that who personally attack Bagley. I’ll go through their tweets, and like 99% of the replies are either positive or realistic about the growing body of evidence pointing to the real possibility that Bagley’s body and playing style make him prone to injury.
If I was more cynical I’d think it was a ploy to build favor with Bagley’s camp or certain members of the Kings front office.
Matt George feels seen!
I saw 3 prominent members of Kings twitter/media pretend like a significant percentage of Kings fans were blaming the injury on Bagley’s musical interests.
It gives them “cause” to defend him and this FO, it seems. It’s funny, because the appetite to strongly defend draft picks from mean comments didn’t seem to be there when it came to guys like PapaG, WCS or Stauskas.
When you don’t want to talk about something, setting up a straw man several blocks away from what’s relevant and fighting over there is move of many PR people and a frequent crutch of the media in Sacramento that receives salaries directly or indirectly from the Kings. When people at different media partners prop up the same and fairly obscure straw man on the same day, they: (1) might have received some talking points from the Kings; or (2) have the same distorted view of what most people actually think and talk about based upon their social media use / what they seek out in those spaces with the search function. I think it’s the latter.
I imagine Matt George is a little salty because last year he made this:
lol he needs to do a follow-up called Got Egg on my Face to the tune of Amazing Grace.
Hahaha, that didn’t age well.
Ouch, I laughed so hard I think I strained my foot.
Nothing says “small market” more than Matt George’s continued presence in Kings’ media.
In all honesty, I think the 2018 draft (among other things) was a breaking point, and a lot of the Kings fanbase stopped acting “small market”.
That is, we’re having fun doing the wave at games and swallowing whatever the FO tells us! We love everyone; it’s okay if you’re a bust, we have hope for our future!
The Kings local media members just seem to want to talk about our bust of a prospect and how his and our fortunes can change. Ignore this other guy in the background; he’s great and all but Marvin is our guy and we talk KINGS basketball. I think they’re a bit baffled by the fanbase’s increased mean streak.
I honestly don’t think the media are baffled. I think they know to keep their jobs they have to stay on point. It’s just the collective anger is making it much harder than it used to be to stay on message. Or it results in a personal favorite phrase of mine: ‘What the fans don’t understand……blah blah blah.’
I just tune local media out. It’s the only way.
This is a Kayte special… she’ll find a random odious comment then debate it like it’s the general opinion of Kings fans.
And if Kings fans are considered stupid (generally), she can look down her nose at all of them – and bust out the “what the fans don’t understand” nonsense.
Grant used the same philosophy for years on his radio show.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Grant would still be around if he had been smart enough to keep his mouth shut. Apparently he thought he was bullet proof which is a good lesson to learn at 60, I suppose.
Ahahahahaha. That shit will always make me laugh. Dumbass got fired for a political opinion that he couldn’t properly support.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that this was the most well known member of Sacramento media.
I was always surprised Napear didn’t get himself fired years ago, he always seemed on the edge of saying something stupid. But for the most part, he kept his bigotry subtle enough to keep himself employed.
Still crazy to me that DeMarcus is the one that got him.
The DeMarcus element just makes it that much more funny. I’ll never stop laughing at that.
Hopefully he recovers in time to be ready for the start of the ’21-’22 season.
I see what you did there…
Insert Rob’s DeNiro GIF here.
At least he wants to be in Sacramento.
Sigh…..#HereWeBillboard
No he doesn’t.
He just wanted to get drafted as high as he could go. It’s the bigger salary and the boon to his brand he would get that made him pay that lip service to Vlade.
Seems to have worked out well for both parties.
This may be beneficial to the team for this short remainder of the season, but damn – two years into his rookie contract are gone. They need to see this guy on the floor a lot to make some decisions about the future of this roster.
Yep, as of now, assuming they pick up his options, they have him on a 2/20 deal before having to deal with a $15MM QO and a $30MM cap gold.
Why is the cap hold a talking point? Why do you people keep bringing this up? (Ahem, I’m talking to you Smits.) Could you explain?
I’m genuinely confused why talking about cap holds are a thing. And I’ve been confused about this for quite awhile.
I wonder if cap holds will be more of a thing now, but I have no idea how the financial side of the NBA is going to shake out longer term.
The only point of cap holds is to keep teams from circumventing the cap when they are under the cap. That’s it.
It literally has no impact on salary of a player. Y’all realize that, right?
That’s why I’m so goddamn confused. And I should be fair: Tim Maxwell, Rob, are also guilty of doing just that.
What is y’all’s obsession with cap holds? What do you think they are actually for? I can’t state it enough: I do not get why cap holds are ever part of a discussion unless you are discussing how much functional cap space a team has. That’s the only time it literally matters.
It has no impact on Bagley’s salary, but it does impact the team’s ability to utlilize its cap space, either via trades or signings, to add other talent.
Then shouldn’t that be filed under the talent acquisition portion? Not under how much money you’re paying Bagley?
I don’t understand how they are connected. Especially since all cap holds are — FOR THE LAST TIME — a cap circumvention tool.
I find this logic very confusing. I’m guessing I’m not getting an answer today. Not that I expected that I would, but I guess I’m going to continue to be amused by this line of logic.
I think you’re under the mistaken impression that nobody else understands what cap holds mean.
Nope, that ain’t it. As a matter of fact, of all the things one could file under capology, I would say cap holds are among the best things understood about capology. Especially around here.
What I don’t understand is why so many continue to believe they are a part of asset valuation.
How much you’re paying Bagley (or any other player) and elements such as cap holds directly influence talent acquisition. As such they play a key role in decision making, planning, and in how a team values a player.
It isn’t confusing. It’s just looking at team/roster building holistically.
Of course how much you pay Bagley influences both talent acquisition and asset valuation. Why would that be in dispute?
But cap holds have nothing to do with either of those things. Cap holds are…..what they are. Nothing more nothing less. All they are is a cap circumvention tool. They exist to keep teams from signing other players in FA before resigning their own FA’s. That’s the point of a cap hold.
It really has very little to do with anything unless you’re planning on making a serious run at FA’s which this team has clearly struck out on multiple years. And functional cap space is important, a factor included is cap holds, and, usually, how many low salary players you have on your roster.
I’ve never seen an instance where a cap hold changed the value of a player either to that player’s team or another team. It just doesn’t matter.
Yes and no. He had lots of time to work on his game, and he likely will have plenty of more time until next season.
It should take no more than 10-15 games to established whether he has made sufficient strides or not.
But here’s the rub; do you want this FO to make that evaluation? Or to be the ones to trade him away?
I wish I could be like Tom Ziller; walk away from this team.
Perhaps hop on some bandwagon. I admire Luka, like Carlisle and have started to develop some grudging respect or Cuban and how he takes on people like Ted Cruz on twitter.
Or maybe hope that Deni Avdija ends up on the Warriors.
A bit off topic, may I know how good Deni Avdija will be ?
(from NBA draft.net that his NBA Comparison would be Hedo Turkoglu , which that website also said the NBA Comparison for Doncic would also be Hedo)
So, if we trade Bagley + future 1st round pick for Deni Avdija, should we do that trade to compensate the failure of not getting Luka, and hope Deni can turn into Doncic II ?
Keep in mind that it’s a relatively weak draft, but I think he should be picked anywhere between #4 and #9.
Comparing Avdija to Luka is lazy, and is not doing Avdija any favors, as he is not close to Luka. Luka is a true point-forward, Avdija is much more of a secondary playmaker. The Hedo comparisons are better.
Avdija is bigger than Luka, doesn’t mind banging in the post, bxces out and goes after rebounds and is okay on D. He is not bad athletically and has decent straight speed, but lacks the strength to be good against strong NBA bigs and lacks the lateral speed to stay with the really athletic wings. Knows how to position himself and plays excellent help D.
High BBIQ, good court vision and decent handles for a guy his size. Willing and intelligent passer, sometimes a bit sloppy. Most of the times, even when his shot isn’t falling, Deni will find ways to contribute.
His biggest red flag is subpar FT shooting, but i think his shot looks pretty clean and if he can become a consistent shooter from outside, he can be a real contributor in this league. I am not sure Avdija has the tools to create his own shot consistently in the NBA, but he’s a smart player.
Thanks so much for the detailed scouting report……
Divac should ask for your opinion and just follow your pick would made this team an instant playoff team
This Avdija looks attractive to the Kings, as you said, he has high BBIQ, which we really need, indeed.
Hedo is a much better comp than Doncic. I like Avdija, but I wouldn’t trade a future 1st to go get him. I may consider trading Bagley plus this years 1st. This is the unusual draft where a present pick is less valuable that a future pick IMO.
That said, I’d probably rather just see if Avdija falls (highly unlikely) and if he doesn’t then trade down and target Bolmaro if we want a playmaking wing.
I agree that there is no way Avdija falls………
Trading Bagley plus this years 1st draft pick for “Hedo” would be really interesting……
Hedo can almost do everything on court……and like I said above, adding another high BBIQ player is much needed for this team.
Just the thought of trading away our #2 overall AND ANOTHER 1st round pick essentially to get rid of that #2 overall pick and try to replace him with “Hedo” is mind breaking to me. That right there just screams that we need an entirely new front office.
True.
But would you trade Bagley straight up (or with a 2nd round pick attached) for Avdija?
I am biased, but I would do that in a heartbeat.
Absolutely.
I think I would consider trading next year’s pick lottery protected, and it rolls over to next year same protections, if it doesnt convey turns into 2 second rounders. A pick at 15 or later is not as important imo as getting a player who seems to be a very good player and who would be a great fit on this team. I know next years draft is a lot stronger, but as long as we protect it I dont see how a pick at 15 is as valuable as Avdija. Of course, someone would have to agree to that trade, but maybe I would go as low as top 10 protections.
There is one trade idea I thought of, typically this would never be worthwhile for the other team but considering this draft has no identifiable stars, I dont know if this is outlandish. the Warriors have a 2 year window to try to win another championship. the trade is below:
Barnes+Holmes+this years pick to Warriors for Wiggins and their first pick.
I’d probably want more protections than that and yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there were Avdija level prospects available outside the lottery next season. There just aren’t really any prospects this year that I think are worthy of giving up future picks anywhere in the top 20 or so.
Honestly, I’m so down on this draft that I’d probably prefer the Wolves 2021 pick from the Warriors over this years’ pick. Now, if you really want to get Kangzy you make that Warriors trade, the pick ends up at 5 and Avdija is already gone. I mean, obviously you wouldn’t make the deal until you knew what you hand, but still.
Yea, I am down on this draft too, but just really feel Avdija may be worth that trade for the protected pick. Realistically, Warriors and Blazers will be fighting with us for the 8th seed next year, and I dont like our chances of being in the playoffs. Obviously, injuries play a huge factor in every teams fate using this years Ws and Blazers and examples, but I think Avdija is a pretty special fit.
But if that doesnt happen and we get a top 10 pick next year I will be exponentially more excited than our pick this year!
I think part of my hesitation is that I like Bmaro as well. And if I’m talking about Giving up assets to get Avdija vs acquiring assets to trade down and take Bolmaro, I think I’d lean towards Bolmaro.
That makes sense, I like Balmaro too and am starting to lean toward him being my guy, whether we can move down or not. Boston is not going to roster 3 first round picks, they are the main team I would hope to move down with. But smart teams like them know this draft is not the one to move into late lottery for so idk.
My main guy is Avdija, I think watching him, I see someone who would play Joe Ingles role with Ben Simmons size and athleticism. I dont like the idea of giving up an asset either, but I probably would do the lottery protected pick.
I would really like to see a thorough breakdown of Balmaro though!
I would happily move down to grab two of Boston’s picks, take Bolmaro and Poku, and stash Poku. Personally, I think there’s a decent chance there will be guys available at 35 and even 43 that I like just as much as guys like Nesmith and Saddiq.
Though I would rather trade down and pick up a future 1st in the deal.
I still believe that we need four or five thousand minutes to really know. And if we just go by last year’s performance (the bulk of his minutes) and his age, statistically there’s reason for optimism.
This season was sub-meh, but it was only about 300 minutes. I think 10 to 15 games isn’t nearly enough, but if he’s not able to get on the floor next season for consistent, heavy minutes, I think it forces the decision.
Frankly, with all that’s going on around this team (and his Dad), the comps to Luka, etc. I wouldn’t be much surprised if Marvin gets dealt in the offseason. He’s an obvious candidate for a “fresh start” somewhere else.
2020 just keeps getting worse and worse and worse smh
This is small beans compared to a lot of what’s happened and this is the king’s we are talking about anyways but what makes 2020 so utterly awful are these small little acts of misery that happen every couple of days or so
Seriously. Little daggers of kings misery under the suppressing weight of a pandemic.
Really feel bad for my guy. He needs the LeBron training/rehabbing/recovery regimen.
Still not giving up on Bags.
The joy will be finding out the foot he landed on was a scrub like Kyle Guy who wasn’t where he should have been on the court.
Gee, if that’s true we should fire the front office that drafted Kyle Guy & the head coach that put him on the floor.
Silver lining. He still has an elite 2nd jump**
(when healthy)
*from his seat on the bench…in a suit….
Hey, that’s me at the top of that picture! And my wife’s feet!
(that was a really cool experience for a summer league game)
I’m pretty disappointed
That there are only 45 comments in this post…..
If you think that this comment count is low, pay a visit to the “site-that-shall-not-be-named” for a consistency of 2 to 3 comments per article.
Not the best time to be a Vox employee. Most of the SBN sites are very small wage contractors who have other jobs and are doing the gig for enjoyment.
But like I said, being a Vox employee is a whole other ball of wax.
I wonder if Chicago would take Bagley and a second for Lauri Markkanen…
It’s worth a shot!
I wonder how many trades the Kings front office has proactively initiated in Vlade’s tenure. One gets the sense from the reports that they just sort of wait by the phone.
Quiz time: How many lottery drafted NBA bigs have have had an injury plagued AND completely disappointing first two years that have then gone on to to have a solid NBA career? I honestly want to know, because I am at a loss right now.
Paper Bagley tears again.
Equally disappointing, I’ve made well over 50 comments but I have not gotten that badge, even after e-mailing KH staff twice…. alas.
you should demand a refund.
Good news:
1) I have none expectation for this guy, and no faith in him at all
2) This team plays better without him
3) more playing time for Len, Giles and Parker
Hehe…this is the same discussions from the old base…and will most likely be the same until season starts again nexy year (IF this occurs).
I will save any specific opinions regarding Bags until then apart from saying I hope he is hungry and earns a contributing spot on court!
If he just stay hungry, and stay focus on grabbing offensive rebound by his elite 2nd/3rd jump, helping this team to score in a relatively low usage………which would be a good sign…
If he stay hungry and beg for the ball all the time, and taking low % shot, wished to show to the world how much he had improved……that’s may not be a good sign..
I fear all that jumping activity around the rim, especially on his slim frame, are going to make him perpetually susceptible to these kinds of ankle sprains, etc.
hard to believe that the pick is worse than originally thought. But here we are.
Out of Service Pervis played more games in his first two seasons than Marvin.
One of those was for the Bullets, tho……
Sigh…
Get well Marvin. Come back healthy.
I’ve sided with the people who use humor to collectively get over bad times as a Kings fan. It is a coping mechanism. I supported the jokes about Bagley with silly pictures, but that isn’t my actual thoughts on him. I see the top 5 player in him and he was drafted in the right area. I see the top 5 player in Luka. In fact, I didn’t have any issue with any of the players at the top of that draft class.
I don’t see Larry Bird in Luka. He will be good, but I’m not seeing a lifetime best. Same with the rest of the draft class. If Luka ends up being a best of all time, I don’t see that talent showing. Lots of no talent drafts must follow to get him that status. I do see something special in Zion, but he may not hold with health.
I hate seeing players who leave the game too early for injury. I’m selfish. I equally do not like players who have to cut off fingers to continue to play, or give up a kidney to keep playing like Zo. Players who had 23 foot surgeries to keep going. I hope many see it is as just a game and you can have a life. It is fun while it lasts. After, you get to do the things that will last and be more meaningful.
I don’t think it’s possible to be a top 5 NBA player without being a creator. The only player that would even be in the top 5 conversation that isn’t a high level facilitator is AD and, of course, he’s a generational defender.
I hope Bagley is able to stay healthy and reach his ceiling, but I don’t see any reason to think that ceiling is any higher than something Amare Stoudamire-ish. Which is good (when healthy), but not especially close to a top 5 player.
I should have said top five draft position for that year.
The copier machine is looking more and more attractive as a trade option for Bagley. Then again, if Korver was traded for a copy machine, we’d be lucky to get a water bottle for Bagley.
Since we don’t have Grant to try to spin that the Kings correctly picked Bagley with their pick, is there any possible argument that we shouldn’t have picked Luka, knowing what we know now?
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