According to Sam Amick of The Athletic, the reported sign-and-trade between the Sacramento Bucks and Miwaukee Bucks, thought to be a surefire transaction, is now “in peril”.
Sources tell The Athletic the Bucks-Kings sign-and-trade which was expected to send restricted FA Bogdan Bogdanovic to Milwaukee for Donte DiVincenzo, D.J. Wilson, and Ersan Illyasova is in peril, as there was never an agreement from the 28-year-old small forward to join the Bucks and that element has become a major issue. High-ranking team official says deal has issues and outcome is unclear.
As a reminder, the initial agreement was to sign Bogdanovic to a contract in the $15 – $18 million annual range, and to combine his salary with Justin James in exchange for Donte DiVincenzo, D.J. Wilson, and the expiring contract of Ersan Illyasova. For the Kings and the Bucks not to have consulted with and confirmed Bogdanovic’s commitment is almost impossible to imagine, as his long-term deal was the basis for the entire trade. Either one or both of the parties majorly dropped the ball, or there’s far more at work here, possibly a last minute ploy to avoid a tampering charge since this trade should have never been announced prior to the start of free agency.
Update: According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, Bogdan Bogdanovic plans to enter restricted free agency and explore other offer sheets and sign-and-trade possibilities. The deal may very well be dead:
The Kings and Milwaukee Bucks had hoped to bring Bogdanovic the framework of a sign-and-trade to negotiate a Bodanovic contract with Milwaukee on Friday, but he will move into the marketplace to find an offer sheet or seek out other sign-and-trade scenarios, sources said. https://t.co/KDlBiLcaBs
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 19, 2020
This situation is devolving from a mystery into a disaster the further into the night we proceed.
The players and the management may change, but the Kangz stay the same.
This!
This is just to work around the fact that the Bucks can’t officially negotiate with Bogdan until the moratorium lifts.
I think you’re right.
Does anyone know how that lines up with the Giannis Supermax timeline? I am rougher generally on the CBA then in years past and I have heard the date of a deal was friday oor something? have not kept track.
All this is to say is this a team forcing the Bucks to temper to assure the timeframe of the Giannis extension goes as planned, or roadblocking the timeline to hold up the extension
Yes they do…..alright alright alright! (I just watched Dazed and Confused for the first time in a long time)
There’s never a bad time to watch Dazed and Confused.
I don’t think this is a Kangz thing. Why would the Kings be the ones to get ahead of things? They have nothing to gain to leak this deal.
Posted this in the draft day thread, but it seems to me the most likely scenario is the Hawks and Bucks reached out to Bogi’s agent before the end of moratorium. Bogi’s agent told the Kings that they could either sign and trade him with Milwaukee, or match a higher offer from Atlanta, as Bogi would take less to play in a better situation, or more to play in a worse. Monte chose the sign and trade route, someone leaked it to the press, and another team reached out indicating interest with a better situation and / or more money for Bogi. All speculation, of course, but what fun is waiting around for certainty?
This is what I think too. Someone came at the agent with a massive offer sheet on the way.
Said this as well in the draft thread, but I expect its ATL. Expect they read the deal and said they would raise the offer sheet. Considering the Kings already showed their hand, not good news.
It’s not a great look for Bogi, most likely, but until you have the man’s autograph on a deal…
Exactly. Said this on the other thread but more i think on it, this is Bogi’s agent eeking out the dollars knowing the Bucks have to do this trade. I could see a Giannis suitor leaking the trade is in peril. Or ATL calling Bogi’s agent and saying they could beat the assumed number. But I think its Bogi’s team knowing the Bucks cant turn this deal down. They have won the lottery ten times over in retaining Giannis. They cant jeopardize that in any way. Got to pay the facilitator of making that a reality then.
This smells like Bogi’s agent trying to get more money out of the Bucks. The question is how much Bogi was signing for in the first place.
Reports are that the Hawks are trying to get Gallinari and maybe Rondo. Would they still go after Bogi? What might the deal include?
If this is true then Bogi should fire his agent. How can an agent put the player he’s representing in that situation? It’s not like phones don’t work outside of Milwaukee/Sacramento/Atlanta.
This is just too fucking funny, I’m sorry. I wonder what the issue is, but it’ll be amusing if Bogi thought he was getting 15-18 million but found out to make the trade work he has to take 10 million.
That would be utterly hilarious.
That seems like a likely speed bump
This could also be Atlanta getting down & dirty with a big, front-loaded offer.
Let’s hope so.
Yep, this too. Lotta possibilities. The one I floated is the one I think that pertains most directly to Milwaukee specifically. I’ve seen it mentioned that Bogi’s likely salary was in that higher range but until I’ve seen an actual number I remained skeptical.
This news just furthers that, IMO.
Could be, and might be why Amick included the “there was never an agreement from the 28-year-old small forward to join the Bucks” in his tweet. Bogi’s camp doesn’t want him to look like the bad guy here, even though he might be the bad guy (relative to the situation).
Something smelled awful funny here from the beginning, starting with not only the timing (as a few people have noted) and the numbers on it’s own.
We’ll see. This stuff has happened before but it doesn’t necessarily kill a deal ultimately. It’s whatever.
If ATL jumped in an sandbagged it, that is amazing.
I am all in on the drama of the NBA offseason.
Kings could still get a large trade exception out of this which would not be insignificant in pulling a trade off.
It could be bad news for the Kings though. ATL now knows the Kings lack of interest in an extension. Then Bogi might be frustrated with the Kings from the fallout of the Bucks deal. And in a match its a likely higher number than previously thought.
That all leads to a bigger Bogi contract with the Kings, a possibly more contentious battle in the Kings matching, a worse sign and trade deal, or us loosing him outright. All those I would argue are worse than the Bucks trade.
This does not strike me as positive news.
Everyone, to TKH store!
I’m kinda disappointed you aren’t wearing pants, honestly.
I asked my brother to order me a Kangz sweater for my birthday!
This is so Kangz!
I hope it doesn’t go through, rather have Bogi than the scrubs Mil is throwing at us.
or find a better deal.
Or could it be that a new team just got in the mix willing to throw a much larger contract offer? I find it hard to believe that they had no communication with the FA that has the leverage or them trying to upset that FA by no letting him have any input on destination. But considering rumor for this trade was out there a while. It makes no sense.
That seems like something Vlade would do. Are we sure he’s not still hunkered down in the front office, refusing to concede?
Either way, there is definitely tampering. Tampering of the expectations I had for this front office.
I believe I am now required to go back to thinking DDV was not enough value, right?
Until Atlanta offers a deal that the Kings don’t match and we wind up with nothing.
Exactly. For the Kings lets hope its Bogi’s team knowing the Bucks have to do this deal at all costs. If thats not the case, thats bad news for the Kings I expect. At this point regardless on how someone felt on the trade its much better it holds up compared to the other options.
The upside is that if Bogi has got Milwaukee over a barrel (don’t!), and gets a bigger contract, that ups the return the Kings receive. Maybe a pick, or an upgrade from Johnson. Same if he gets a big offer from Atlanta.
It’s possible the Kings benefit from all of this tsuris.
I finally agree with you on something. I think the Kings might benefit from this.
Thats interesting particularly with the Bucks. Its crafty if the number is higher to try to suss out a little more. That said, I dont think the Kings have much leverage as is. And if it isnt the bucks the money of say an ATL is a semblance of leverage. If I was them I wouldnt trade for the offer sheet. Mcnair has already shown he sees Bogi as expendable, albeit with a return but a deal largely hinging on lowering a future cap. And that was a trade at a lower contract number for bogi, assumingely.
I would call the Kings bluff. And if thats the case I dont think the Kings match. And there is an argument it would be unwise regardless. It doesnt help post trying to be traded, Bogi might not jump at the opportunity to sign a kings match, even if he’s restricted. We know that doesn’t mean all that much in the current league. Point is the Kings are on tepid ground in my estimation.
Yet the team still has the only real power in determining where Bogdan plays next season. They should totally spite-sign him if things get ugly.
BACKZ
I was hopeful for Monte but this feels very Kangz…
BACK TO THE PIT OF MISERY!
Meanwhile, over in Oklahoma City:
There will be a future draft where it will just be Presti making all 60 picks.
Come on, Rob.
Presti will make 45 selections, at most. David Griffin will get the other 15.
Are we getting creamed by Cream City? Inconceivable!
Looking very professional, Kangz.
Breaking: Bucks believed they were receiving BOJAN Bogdanovic. Sources say Kings believed they were trading BOJAN as well and miscommunicated the information at first.
I just…
…sigh
Man… did I hype myself up for DiVincenzo for nada?
Possible predictions…
If that’s the sitch then Bogi’s agent effed up BIG TIME.
I thought that when the trade happened. It is blatant tampering. It might be another team leaking the trade is in peril then. There are fines in a formal complaint, not to mention likely scorn from other GM’s. Still this deal because of its assumed significance in Giannis is a massive trade. Multiple teams have planned around a chance at him. Wouldnt rule out teams pulling any stops to muddy the waters.
Another good take!
I’m 95% certain that you have it exactly right.
Why are they pissed? They’ve all been doing this for years.
Well yeah but when it’s a player THEY want that somebody else tampered with it’s a huge problem! But when they do it it’s just how business is done. There will always be tampering and if other teams feel like they have proof then there will always be teams complaining about it.
There’s an entire ocean of proof. This may be too egregious for the league to gloss over. They really do need to start taking draft picks away from teams that engage in this kind of thing.
I think the league loves the way stuff like this drums up attention. They might fine teams but I don’t think they would ever take high level draft picks away because I’m not sure they really even care.
Yeah, I bet they see it as a victimless crime.
I think all the people that thought the Kings didn’t get enough are gonna be really happy when they don’t match a big offer sheet.
I guess the optimism is Bucks have to do this trade if it is indeed the insurance in extending a 2 time MVP longterm in Milwaukee. I think Atlanta said a much higher number and Bogi’s team clicked pause. But it could be a leverage deal with the Bucks. The specific cap for them I have not dug threw their numbers, but the fact is you pay anything including luxury payments to assure Giannis’s extension.
The weirdest thing about all of this, that it took two days and just a few hours before the draft for this to break. Very fishy.
I was thinking the same thing. There was plenty of time to discredit the trade.
And I ignorantly thought this would be the smoothest Kings draft day in years. Alas
So do we welcome Bogi back to Sacramento?
OMG! Just heard a Jerry Reynolds voice-over in the NBATV draft show introduction video clip. Cool!
Can we please just do what Presti is doing in OKC?
Exactly. Picking up average players for a good player makes no sense.
Watch, they’re going to build another playoff team AND acquire future assets. Just like they did last year.
Whatever happened, Kings must have known the risks when they entered the discussion and never publicly denied the deal when it was reported. Hard to blame it all on MIL or Bogi and his agent.
I’m totally fine with Kings saying nothing. Milwaukee are the ones who leaked it. Bogi’s camp sure as shit never denied it. This is embarrassing, but not Kings’ fault, for once.
National media isn’t going to look at it that way though. It’ll look like, “Oh, Kangz as usual. Carry on.”
That’s the thing that pisses me off. Considering how airtight the McNair front office has already been, it’s hard to believe the leak came from the Kings. But that nuance isn’t going to matter to a wider atmosphere that will just assume it’s more Kangz tomfuckery. And honestly, that nuance doesn’t much matter to me, either, since all I want is to not be embarrassed by my fandom for, like, a few months at a stretch.
Yeah, not sure how this is a Kings’ issue on the PR side. Certainly might screw them, if McNair was really hyped to get DiVincenzo.
correct. Both DiVincenzo and Wilson seemed like a “certain type” of player. One would assume Monty was pretty hyped on landing DiVincenzo
Think this is likely on the Bucks as well. That being said, if you don’t want to be known as the team that inevitably fucks things up in humiliating fashion, don’t spend a decade and a half inevitably fucking things up in a humiliating fashion. Can’t really fault the media for making what is generally a very safe assumption.
exactly. Welcome to Sacramento Monty. Good luck at tonights Draft.
gulp
Milwaukee BACKZ.
Yeah when it comes to who is at fault in this whole saga, I’m going with the franchise that has the long history of complete and utter ineptitude. This trade may get Kangzed.
Oddly reminiscient of Vlade’s first major trade as GM, when he didn’t know about the stretch provision.
Or when they tried to include Papagiannis in a deal without the other team knowing.
I mean that’s at least where my money would be… until it’s proven otherwise. The Kings reputation is well-earned.
this is what sucks. Your take is the obvious take. It’s what the automatic reaction is from EVERYONE reading the headlines of this trade being in jeopardy. It’s the automatic assumption and its’s the probable answer if you’re playing the odds.
What doubly sucks is this is Monty’s first move. If this is not his doing/fault in any way and this is all lying at the feet of the Bucks and Bogi then I feel bad for our new GM. If he’s responsible then I feel bad for us. Like really really really bad.
The people that matter will know the truth. Monte is well-respected.
It’s the automatic reaction because of their history. And yes, it does suck. But like I said, their reputation is well-earned and until they prove otherwise, this perception will continue.
And we’re all just speculating here. I’m just saying if I had to put actual money on who fucked up here, I’d put it on the Kings. But that’s some money I wouldn’t mind losing.
100%
lol you can’t publicly deny a deal that can’t be publicly agreed upon until the 22nd
The Kings didn’t need to leak this Monday. That’s the funny part to me. If anything, it was not in their interest in doing so.
Agreed. If anyone leaked it, it was the Bucks in a way to gain favor with Giannis.
Seems like a text to his personal phone might have been better than blabbing it to the media.
It is even less in the interest of Milwaukee to do this and yet here we are.
Why not? It is the easiest thing to do. You send out a press release stating that there is no deal and there obviously cannot be a deal. We are exploring several options with several teams. We will get back to you once we have actual news.
That would be true, and would IMO be much stronger than some apparent whispers to local media, while letting the tampering allegations run rampant.
Even if the Kings did not leak it, they should have been prepared for a leak. Now they look bad.
they can’t publicly say anything one way or the other. this is simple NBA free agency 101.
If reports are out basically accusing you of tampering you cannot react? i doubt that.
What would the Kings gain by leaking the deal? That’s what I’m trying to figure out here.
Who said they would have anything to gain by it?
So we’re assuming the Kings are sabotaging themselves to maintain their horrible reputation?
The wanted to get DiVincenzo-mania started as early as possible!
Gotsa cornah the mahket on gingahz!
I don’t know who leaked. Might have been Bucks, Kings, agent or other teams.
But many deals get leaked, and it seems we were apparently not prepared well from a damage control perspective.
I don’t understand how you prepare to make an argument you are okay with something you couldn’t pull off legally until a few days later (48-72 hours, whenever the moratorium is pulled) as it were.
I don’t understand how the Kings were caught unprepared here. I’m not surprised by this. There’s no fucking way on God’s Green Earth, Satan’s playpen or anywhere in between there including the 12th of never that Monte McNair and Wes Wilcox couldn’t have seen this coming.
Anyone who understood what “agreed in principle” knew that it was not finalized. How does one expect McNair to do anything substantial if he can’t figure this out? There’s nothing that difficult or shocking about this.
I guess I’m not really seeing it. The process here is dictated primarily by the player and the team he’s looking to sign with – the player clearly threw the monkey wrench here, and the deal gets torpedoed.
No shame in this from the Kings perspective, IMO.
Yeah that’s the part I can’t figure out. It doesn’t seem like it would possibly help them in any way. I know Kangz and all but I don’t think Mcnair is an idiot given his resume pre-Kings.
There are still some idiots around from the pre-McNair days.
Sure but there are just so many other parties involved in this deal that have so much more reason to leak something that if it is the Kings it would just be strange to me in this particular case.
MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!! MUUUUUHHHHH NAY!!!!!!
That would certainly be my guess. When those dollar signs start flashing it makes people do interesting things.
Bogi isn’t a youngin. He’s not hitting the market again in this situation.
Oh yeah I don’t blame him if the Hawks came back this afternoon and offered him like 4-88 or something like that when he was going to get 4-68 or some such number with the Bucks. This is probably his only real shot a serious pay day.
I honestly don’t see why Vlade Divac would leak this FK&C. Or Vivek or whomever inside the Kings org.
Their reputation for incompetence is well noted and deserved, but I don’t see how you can assume the Kings really screwed this one up. S&T’s are too complicated with 3 parties (and more because it’s FA) at the bare minimum to believe one party is really at fault here.
I suppose you can think Bogi and his agent are at fault for this, but that would be the most logical and reasonable take (if you were taking a neutral POV).
this all just feels like other teams were angry about how egregious they were putting this deal together, and are now trying to sabotage the deal. I don’t understand why everyone is trying to put this on McNair.
Who is trying to put this on McNair?
Bwahaha
Just read on ESPN, Klay just suffered another leg injury. Update. Sound terrible. But, Maybe that pick is avail now. Dubs choice Hield/Bogi
I feel bad for Klay. It does sound bad. I bet the Warriors brass are scrambling right now in what to do with the #2 pick.
If the monkeywrench is Atlanta with a bigger offer, it has to be a lot better than whatever Bobo understood that he’s get from the Bucks (assuming that he was actually involved in the process. Difficult to tell.).
Still, Milwaukee is such a good fit for him. It’ll be some time before Atlanta is in the position the Bucks are in, if ever.
I would guess this is either butt covering because technically this is tampering or another team came in at the last minute to potentially offer Bogi a bunch more money. Either way I am getting the sense that a wait and see approach would be prudent.
It’s obviously butt covering. I don’t understand why people don’t see that. The only reason things would change is if a team decided they want to pay Bogi more than what they told his agent they would pay when they negotiated earlier this week.
or the opposite perhaps? The Bucks started working out contracts with all their new acquisitions in these many trades and came to Bogi’s agent saying “You know how we said we could offer your client 20 a year? With this other trade we just did we can actually only offer 16 now. We can make it up in other ways though.”
and Bogi’s agent said… “Time out. Come again now? What words just came out of your mouth?”
that’s just now how things work. these agents are all super diligent. this is either butt covering, or another team is ratfucking.
Kangz fo’ LYF!
Glad to see this clown car franchise hasn’t changed
Dang, sounds like the Bucks deal is completely done:
ClusterfucKings
Somebody upped their offer to Bogi and Bogi backed out of the deal with the Bucks. What a shock that is.
Seems to be the case!
Agreed. I also don’t think this really hurts the Kings. Bogi’s price is going up which may mean a better return in a S&t, or the Kings simply match and move Buddy. More options on the table, IMO.
Thats the best case right there…hope you’re right.
I think this also means folks are picking up the phone for Buddy and could be raising their price. If Bogi was spoken for, Buddy might have been off the table for the Kings. Now…who knows?
With Klay now injured…
Bogi, #12 for the #2 pick Dani Avdija
That doesn’t work from a numbers standpoint for the Warriors. That #2 pick is attached with a chain to Wiggins.
That being said, Buddy and Nemanja for Wiggins and #2 does work. Kings keep the #12 and get the #2 to eat Wiggins’ deal. If Warriors are desperate with Klay going down, play hard ball.
Don’t the Warriors have a 17 million dollar TPE from the Iggy deal? Can they use that to absorb a player, or do they need to be under the cap for that?