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Chainmail: A Very Thanksgiving Chainmail

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A very special letter from the editor.

Welcome to another edition of Chainmail, where you ask questions and we answer them. This is Greg stepping in because, well, the last couple days have sort of broken Tim. His submitted draft of this post was just the lyrics to "Everything Is Awesome" from The Lego Movie. Catchy as that song may be, it didn't really set the stage. We've sent Tim off with a box of raisins and blanket so he can feel better.

Why is Tim so broken? I'm glad I asked.

  • The Sacramento Kings fired Luke Walton, almost replaced him with Doug Christie, and then finally decided to replace him with Alvin Gentry.
  • Alvin Gentry's first game as coach was more of the same-old Kangz, as Sacramento lost to Philly's B-team.
  • Monte McNair still thinks this team is good. Oh, Monte.
  • De'Aaron Fox had an awful postgame presser in which he said there was no pressure to win because it's not like the Kings are in the playoffs.

You know, I think Tim was onto something. Where are those raisins.

♫ Everything is awesome...

Now, get to asking, so we can get to answering!

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RikSmits
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November 23, 2021 9:33 am

Should we start a new campaign to oust Vivek once we hit the playoff drought record? And if so, how?

And really, why wait?

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November 23, 2021 9:47 am
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It’s really the”how” part of it that sends the idea careening off into the cosmos.

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November 23, 2021 10:36 am
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Billboards. Lot’s and lots of billboards.

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November 23, 2021 1:02 pm
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The local billboard companies refused to display the last one, so I think the billboard ended up out near Hazel and Highway 50. Not sure which companies exist or where they own billboards, but that was definitely a thing.

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November 23, 2021 11:26 am
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some people need shaming and to be called out in public, whether you think it will have any effect or not.

Though he may not change his ways in face of public criticism, I think it’s good that fans know they aren’t alone in thinking the root cause of 8 years of failure is at the top.

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November 24, 2021 12:47 am
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The “how” has to involve a boycott of as many sources of revenue to the team as possible, IMO.

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November 23, 2021 9:40 am

Fox is broken. And it’s time for him to take a rest and get his body and head back in shape.

I’d send him away for a month to bunk with Ben Simmons.

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November 23, 2021 10:53 am
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Seriously, if lingering Covid is playing any part in this, then he should take a break and get better. Even mono has sidelined players for months. Just develop Hali and Mitchell until he’s ready. The season is already lost.

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November 23, 2021 1:52 pm
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I’ve not been watching the games this year. I watched last night. Fox does not look up to snuff. Hidden injury, lack of motivation.. something?

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November 23, 2021 9:45 am

Q: What would you reasonably expect the general manager of a professional team to say about the quality of his team and its players?

He could hem and haw, and go on about how there’s work to be done and blah blah blah, but do you think that he’s not aware of it, and thinks the team is good as-is?

I’d not have thought that it needed to be said that it’s a fairly safe bet that when a person is generally reticent to share their thoughts with the public, that perhaps you shouldn’t expect unabridged and unfiltered candor when they do.

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November 23, 2021 9:57 am
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Everyone knows that an NBA GM’s job is to divulge to the public they’re entire chart of moves for the remainder of the season and at least the upcoming off-season. Bonus points in Sacramento if you also choose to let loose your plans for the following season as well just so the entire collective city doesn’t, you know, lose its collective shit. Preferably before the first qtr of the current season, by the way.

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November 23, 2021 1:25 pm
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Did not expect anything different from Monte ! That is part of the problem and we are left to conclude it was all Walton’s fault ! I do not agree !

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November 23, 2021 1:40 pm
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McNair is not remotely responsible for whatever conclusion you may reach.

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November 23, 2021 9:46 am

Q: What are you planning to consume for Thanksgiving this year? Sticking to the same yearly traditions or trying something new?

For me, typically every year (excluding last year) I drive back to Sacramento and go to the same Chinese restaurant to eat with my extended family on my Dad’s side (the food is fine, but we always go to the same place so I don’t really get excited for it, and we eat at a weird time…like 4:00 pm), and then we’d go back to my aunt and uncle’s house in Elk Grove to hang out but there isn’t typically too much to do there. However, this year we FINALLY are getting a change of scenery because my aunt and uncle in Palo Alto are hosting Thanksgiving instead, and it’ll be a three day ordeal from Thursday to Saturday. So we are getting a different variety of food over the course of a few days…including Indian food, Korean food, and prime rib and salmon on Thanksgiving day. Plus my aunt and uncle are big board/card game fans, so we will have plenty of things to keep us entertained. It’ll be really nice to see my extended family again as most of them I haven’t physically seen for almost two years. 🙂

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November 23, 2021 12:41 pm
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Well, that just sounds like an amazing change-up to tradition!

And I thought holiday Chinese food was only for Christmas!

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November 23, 2021 1:20 pm
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Coming from a Chinese family, eating Chinese food during Thanksgiving and Christmas was pretty much a given most of my lifetime.

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November 23, 2021 1:42 pm
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I can see how it might be less of a treat in your case, under the circumstances. Still, it’s nice having that go-to on a big holiday if you don’t want fast food.

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November 23, 2021 1:11 pm
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Sounds like the best Thanksgiving ever. The food may change but your family sounds awesome in a family kind of way. It doesn’t sound like any of your uncles has passed out directly into his food. Awwwww family

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November 23, 2021 1:23 pm
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I’m really looking forward to it! It’s gonna be wild because since I haven’t seen most of my family in a long time, there’s going to be so much to catch up on. And I’m also going to be seeing my one of my cousins’ baby girl for the first time. We were supposed to attend a Red Egg Party (Chinese celebration for newborns) for her in March 2020 but that got cancelled because of COVID. And one of my other cousins is having his first kid soon as well, due in January of next year.

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November 23, 2021 1:26 pm
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Sounds like a great holiday, Klam. Enjoy!

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November 23, 2021 1:42 pm
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I think you may have already won Thanksgiving.

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November 23, 2021 1:56 pm
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Sounds super awesome to be able to catch up in person.

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November 23, 2021 9:52 am

You have just been named the General Manager for the Sacramento Kings. You have been given full autonomy. Chart out your moves for the rest of this season and the off-season.

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November 23, 2021 9:55 am
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November 23, 2021 8:16 pm
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They already “Suck, Suck, Suck!”

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November 23, 2021 10:44 am
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I’d question if anything needs to be done.
The Kings entropy-based system of management seems to be working perfectly.

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November 23, 2021 11:34 am
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Trade everything of value for picks, then reach over and hit the alarm clock again because I’m Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

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November 23, 2021 1:06 pm
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because I’m Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

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November 23, 2021 12:23 pm
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Go to the other owners and figure out a way to strip Vivek of his powers.

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November 23, 2021 9:58 am

Two part question:

Will Gentry give the Fox/Mitchell/Hali lineup a longer look?

If he does, can we call them “Alvin & The Chipmunks”?

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November 23, 2021 10:04 am

What does it take to get Vivek out of the ownership? Like realistically speaking

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November 23, 2021 10:17 am
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Not much. Does anyone know if he ever told a joke that offended anyone, at any point in his life, whether he apologized and grew from it, or not?

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November 23, 2021 12:42 pm
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I believe that one time he called Donald Sterling the n-word.

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November 23, 2021 10:37 am
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E-mails from/to Jon Gruden. What?, too soon?

Ducks

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November 23, 2021 12:09 pm
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Former team employees need to accuse him of being racist or of sexual harassment.

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November 23, 2021 12:24 pm
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All he has to say is ALM and per his own standard he’d have to relieve himself of his duties.

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November 24, 2021 8:49 am
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Speaking from experience
#amirite

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November 23, 2021 10:05 am

Barring Gentry managing to get this team on a winning streak, breaking in to the actual playoffs and doing some damage, I expect the Kings to be looking for a new HC during the off-season.
Perhaps in a tiered perspective, what does TKH’s coaching wish list look like?

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November 23, 2021 12:21 pm
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I hope this gets answered. It would be interesting to see if Monte (or Vivek I suppose), wanted to try and find an up and coming younger coach similar to Washington picking Unsled (though Idoka and Billups do not seem incredible right off the bat), or if picking a proven coach like Stotts is where they go, or someone like Vanterpool. I hope Monte gets a little leeway here.

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November 23, 2021 10:14 am

We have heard that the Kings can not develop young talent. Which young players that the Kings have drafted have gone on to other teams and actually developed in to solid NBA players? (McLemore, Stauskas, Skal, Malachi, T-Rob, etc.) Why is this narrative such a popular one?

I am thinking that the the issue was more with talent evaluation than player development…

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November 23, 2021 1:32 pm
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Agree, and two much time worrying about non NBA players being developed ! List is too long to mention !

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November 23, 2021 6:41 pm
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Whiteside, Wallace, Tyreke?

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November 24, 2021 5:23 am
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Whiteside took many years, multiple teams, and even stints over seas before he became anything. He was also only good for maybe 2-3 years upon return with the Heat.

Gerald Wallace was a good one. That was, what 20 years ago?

Not sure about Tyreke and how much he improved after leaving Sac. He seemed to be the same player.

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November 23, 2021 10:19 am

On the hypothetical assumption that the Kings are ready to move on from Fox, what kind of value does a 23 year old speedy PG who can’t shoot, nor really defend, is average at running the offense, and is due a ton of money have in today’s deep shooting NBA? Basically, what team has a need/want for Fox’s skillset and has the means to acquire him.

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November 23, 2021 10:27 am
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I actually thought Philly was a decent fit with Embiid and Harris’s perimeter games, but now that Maxey is better, and Monte waited, well yeah.

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November 23, 2021 11:11 am
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My exact thoughts. The Fox to Philly ship has now sailed. I honestly am struggling to find a team that I think could use and swing a trade for him. Maybe the Pels? Hart, Graham, and a protected first rounder?

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November 23, 2021 10:32 am
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Fox looked great last season and seemed ready to take the next step.

He’s physically and mentally not ready to compete this year.

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November 23, 2021 10:28 am

Have the Kings considered just putting a player under the other team’s basket and playing–hear me out! hear me out!–and playing–put that down!–and playing five-on-ouch!

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November 23, 2021 10:29 am

Louis King seemingly played very well in Stockton’s first two games, but was listed as “inactive” for games 3 and 4. I have not noticed any mention of a reassignment to Sacramento at any point since the beginning of the season while Ramsey, Woodard, and even Queta have been mentioned as reassigned at various times. Have the Kings (Sacramento or Stockton) released any information regarding King’s status?

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November 23, 2021 11:06 am
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I believe he has some kind of leg muscle strain.

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November 23, 2021 12:45 pm
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Probably from hauling around such large fan expectations.

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November 23, 2021 1:18 pm
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We’ve seen the likes of Skal, Giles, and even Woodard put up good numbers in the G League without that translating to NBA success, so my expectations remain muted at best. I’m just curious about the absence of news about King.

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November 23, 2021 4:22 pm
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I do think that he’s an NBA player when all is said and done. If he’s been injured, then it makes sense for him to be in Stockton. Without additional information, an injury would explain his lack of time in Fun City.

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November 24, 2021 11:10 am
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Looks like King was active in Stockton’s win last night, putting up 14 points on 3-18 shooting. Ramsey scored 39 points on 17-31 shooting, while Woodard pulled down 15 rebounds with 7 of them on the offensive end.

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November 23, 2021 10:43 am

We’ve heard talk of a big trade eventually. What’s your best case scenario, worst case scenario, and most likely scenario for the Kings making a trade this season?

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November 23, 2021 10:47 am

Everyone’s trade value is low right now. We need to be patient and wait til the trade deadline to get a better return.

If everyone’s value is still too low at the deadline, we need to wait until the draft to make a move.

if their value is still low, we need to wait until free agency.

Ad absurdum.

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November 23, 2021 10:47 am

I think you meant, “We’ve heard big talk of a trade eventually.”

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November 23, 2021 11:00 am

What exactly does a Player Development Assistant do?
The Kings have at least 2 people with that title – Lindsey Harding, and Rico Hines – until he was recentlly prommoted to lead ssst coach.

Don’t you think that the Kings are overstaffed by positions that don’t significantly help the team? Do they try to develop players’ basketball skills, maturity, professionalism, etc?
If that’s the case, I haven’t seen concrete results.

Bonus question – What does Joe Dumars do?

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November 23, 2021 11:33 am
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I’m not positive, but I think the Player Development coaches work with players individually or in small groups on specific skills like shooting, rebounding, positioning, etc. The head and assistant coaches work more on the macro dynamics of coaching like sets, schemes and whole team practice.

Also, I just looked up the coaching staff on Kings.com and they’ve updated Gentry as head coach, but don’t have Christie listed anywhere.

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November 23, 2021 1:41 pm
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Doug is the latest on Matina’s chosen list now that Vlade and Peja are toast !

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November 23, 2021 12:48 pm
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I just assumed that the Kings having so many assistants was to prop up Walton. I’d expect that whoever is eventually named head coach may not feel the need for so many sets of training wheels.

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November 23, 2021 1:38 pm
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Most are ball passers and high fivers ! Rico actually teaches and Dumars is for agreeing that Vivek is a basketball genius ! Luckily he spends 90% of his time in LA !

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November 23, 2021 11:27 am

This Thanksgiving, I’m thankful that the Kings crushed all hope and let me know the season was lost less than 20 games in! Now I won’t spend a lot of time hoping and have my heart crushed later on!

Along these lines, what in the hell do we do with this roster? Do we actually fully blow it up and start anew? This is a depressing thought! I truly feel like we are absolutely screwed going forward and can’t decide if we should hang on to what little core we have or if we should essentially tank and start over.

Just feels like we’re cursed and screwed either way we go.

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November 23, 2021 12:48 pm
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“You got that last year,” I said again this year.

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November 23, 2021 11:28 am

Power rank the following Thanksgiving dishes:

  • Turkey
  • Stuffing
  • Cranberry sauce
  • Mashed potatoes and gravy
  • Rolls
  • Mac and cheese
  • Green bean casserole
  • Roasted carrots
  • Pumpkin pie
  • Apple pie
  • Sweet potato pie
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November 23, 2021 12:23 pm

Isn’t the question, rank these following dishes after Stuffing/dressing, the obvious King of Thanksgiving food?

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November 23, 2021 12:50 pm

My mom makes fresh cranberry sauce with some oranges in it, and it’s my favorite thing ever.

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November 23, 2021 1:10 pm

One thing I forgot to try when I was in Memphis was sweet potato pie. Next time I’m in the south or at an eatery that serves will definitely try it.

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November 23, 2021 1:25 pm

Thanksgiving as a consumer of a whole food plant based diet has been interesting. Need to re-think meals and try new things. I do miss a good green bean casserole though.

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November 23, 2021 1:31 pm
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Nice! As someone who isn’t a vegan but is eating less animal-based products in my diet, I’ve actually found a lot of good quality plant-based foods that ended up being permanent replacements for certain foods and drinks I would consume frequently.

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November 23, 2021 2:48 pm
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Thankfully beer is a plant based product

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November 23, 2021 7:49 pm
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And wine and spirits and cannabis. Yum.

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November 23, 2021 7:48 pm
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It’s all about trying things and figuring out what you like. The best thing anyone can do to enjoy plant based food is to just take it on it’s own terms without trying to find “perfect” replacements of animal foods.

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November 23, 2021 2:05 pm
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Thanksgiving as a consumer of a whole food plant based diet has been interesting. Need to re-think meals and try new things. I do miss a good green bean casserole though.

One of the fun vegan thanksgiving activities is figuring out what you call a tofu-based turducken.

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November 23, 2021 4:25 pm
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A tofurfurdfucken?

I can’t believe I’m giving this shit away for free.

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November 23, 2021 8:44 pm
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That’s as good a guess as any!

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November 23, 2021 7:46 pm
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There are some good vegan green bean casserole recipes out there, whether they’re whole food or as processed as you’d like. I made a healthy one a year or two ago that turned out pretty good. I’ve been vegan for a while now, and I don’t miss the turkey at all. Make a big casserole, or just bring on the sides!

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November 24, 2021 5:26 am

Been almost 4 years for me. I have had some decent ones, but nothing like the canned and processed crap of my youth!

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November 24, 2021 10:28 am
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I’m making that as I type this (the crock pot is a fine invention,) and I learned the secret to the best green bean casserole is to add Monterey Jack cheese. Soooo good.
Edit: might kinda ruin your whole food / plant based thing, though, depending on how vegan you are…

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November 23, 2021 1:45 pm

This Potato/Artichoke recipe has become our favorite part of Thanksgiving. You could make it anytime, but for some reason we only make it for Thanksgiving and it is always loved by anyone who tries it. Unique, spicy, and delicious!

https://www.food.com/recipe/artichoke-potato-and-cheese-casserole-105649

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November 23, 2021 11:32 am

Any chance we can get Vivek to trade his stake in the Kings for Joe Lacob’s 25% stake in the Dubs?

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November 23, 2021 11:34 am

Iman Shumpert just became the first nba player to win Dancing with the Stars. Did any of you see that coming?

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November 23, 2021 11:46 am
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I wish we can go back to that 2018-2019 Kings team with Shump, Fox, Bogi, Jackson, Hield, Bagley, etc. We were actually starting to develop some chemistry back then. Four games over .500 going into February. Downward slide ever since, back into the abyss.

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November 23, 2021 11:35 am

What’s the basketball decision making process in the front office since McNair took over? I’ve hear some worrisome news from Sam Amick about how Alvin Gentry got the interim title over Doug Christie and I cringed…

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November 23, 2021 1:44 pm
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Wow, you cringed when a proven coach was hired over a total neophyte ! Did you like the Vlade hire at the time ? Same thing !

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November 23, 2021 1:45 pm
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I think they mean that they cringed because DC’s name was being seriously discussed as interim head coach.

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November 23, 2021 1:48 pm
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Thanks , now I can stop cringing !

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November 23, 2021 2:13 pm
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I think they mean that they cringed because DC’s name was being seriously discussed as interim head coach.

I like Doug and I think he may have a future as a coach in the NBA, but I cannot wrap my head around the logic of whoever’s brain dead idea that was. They’ve hired unqualified former players repeatedly, and every time it has been a disaster.

Whoever floated that idea (for the umpteenth time with this team) is just flat out dumb. Do they really think they’re going to buy off fans with yet another unqualified legacy hire? And to whatever degree that works, what’s the shelf life on it as a distraction? Six months?

I’m pretty comfortable believing that the front office killed this moron idea and it almost certainly came from above. Again, no disrespect to Doug, and endless disrespect for whoever came up with the same dumb idea, AGAIN.

The organization is run by stupid people who think everyone else is stupid.

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November 23, 2021 4:27 pm
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Nailed it. Nothing but respect for DC, but his feet haven’t even started to get wet.

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November 24, 2021 10:34 am
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Do they really think they’re going to buy off fans with yet another unqualified legacy hire?
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“Come again?”

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November 24, 2021 12:58 pm
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Sam Amick confirmed it was Vivek in his article and he was overrode. So good to know Vivek isn’t trying to be involved anymore. 🤙🏼

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November 24, 2021 1:08 pm

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. If true, I suppose this is proof you can be extremely intelligent in one area and extraordinarily stupid in others.

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November 23, 2021 11:36 am

We are now entering Separation Season, can we please start talking about tanking as soon as possible?

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November 23, 2021 11:38 am
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I think this is the earliest I’ve ever visited Tankathon and started reading up and watching videos on prospects.

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November 23, 2021 11:59 am
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I started in the summer as I fully expected this poop show, just not this early in the season. I was thinking Christmas would be the earliest.

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