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Milwaukee Bucks waive Ersan Ilyasova, signaling that the Bogdanovic sign-and-trade is completely dead

Ilyasova's contract was necessary for the sign-and-trade to work under the cap.

The Milwaukee Bucks waived Ersan Ilyasova on Thursday, meaning the Bogdan Bogdanovic sign-and-trade will not happen. Ilyasova's contract was necessary to make the salaries match under S&T rules (which are very complex), and the Bucks do not have any other contracts that could make the numbers work.

Despite any theories that the deal fell apart as a ruse to avoid tampering charges, there is no clear path forward for this trade to be saved.

Bogdan Bogdanovic will enter restricted free agency tomorrow at 6 PM ET. The Sacramento Kings will still maintain the right to match any offer sheet Bogi signs, and the Kings can still attempt to arrange new sign and trade deals.

Sam Amick was on Carmichael Dave's show this morning and indicated that Bogdan may have been on board with the deal before the Bucks also acquired Jrue Holiday. The Holiday acquisition may have meant a smaller role for Bogi, or perhaps a smaller contract. It's hard to know for sure.

Something I find interesting is that Bogi is represented by Jason Ranne, who is also Nemanja Bjelica's agent. In 2018 Bjelica agreed to a deal with the 76ers, but then backed out of the agreement before the contract was signed. Bjelica told the Sixers he was going to play in Europe instead, but then ended up signing with the Kings for about $2 million more per year than the Sixers had offered.

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Kosta
14 days ago

The Buck(s trade) stops here.

14 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

It would be sad and hilarious if Giannis doesn’t sign after all the moves Milwaukee did to keep him.

Kosta
14 days ago

If Giannis still wants to play with Bogi, he can do so in Sacramento!

Dougscott
14 days ago

It probably won’t happen, but I would love for us to match the Bogi deal, then trade Hield.

a backcourt of Fox, Bogi and Haliburton with Jeffries as the energy guy sounds like a lot of fun

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  Dougscott

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ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  Dougscott

this times a billion!!!

Kosta
14 days ago

Run it back, fellas!
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nikstauskasontheheat
14 days ago

Wow!! Could this mean Capela, Reddish, or Hunter S+T??🤞

9sac8
14 days ago

You mean “Huerter”.

nikstauskasontheheat
14 days ago
Reply to  9sac8

De’Andre Hunter. Huerter doesn’t seem like enough of a return — would rather have Divincenzo

9sac8
14 days ago

I definitely agree with you on Divincenzo. I said something about him months back. I checked out Hunter. He’s not bad at all. I like the deal above, but ATL has to take Barnes too.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago

I’d put Donte and Huerter on pretty similar levels. Huerter is a better shooter and ball-handler with better size. Donte is a better defender. If I were choosing between the two, I’d take Huerter.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago

Hunter has more defensive upside than either. But his awareness is lacking.

RAP87
14 days ago

I’m with you on Huerter. Really good ball handler and shooter for his size and would be an excellent secondary or tertiary playmaker next to Fox and Hali. Only issue I have with Huerter is his knees and his injury history.

RobHessing
14 days ago

Bogi gon’ get Bonzi’d if he not careful.

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

(in best drunk Mr. Miyagi voice): “BONZAI!!!”
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nikstauskasontheheat
14 days ago

What if McNair leaked the trade to scare Eastern Conference teams into upping their offers 🤔

andy_sims
14 days ago

Old Ranne is a slippery one.

I’d prefer not to see Bobo walk for nothing, but I’d rather not see him signed to a deal of more than two years, although terms of the contract will be out of our hands at that point. He isn’t part of where this team is going, and I’d rather he walked than get stuck with four years at $15-20 million per.

This, I predict, will be an unpopular opinion.

nikstauskasontheheat
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Agreed, would not touch anything over 17 mil

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago

That’s probably somewhere around my break point. But I’d happily keep him at 15MM. I think next trade deadline or offseason that will end up being an easy contract to move for quality assets.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago

But if you match a RFA, trading him for the next year is tough. Bogi could turn down any deal for an entire year.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

That is why you trade Buddy.

Question, who would you rather see share the floor together at times?

Fox, Hali, Bogi or Fox, Buddy Hali?

Last edited 14 days ago by Adamsite
Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Fox, Buddy, Hali, definitely. Different abilities, they play off each other.

I also think Bogi is overrated as a scorer, that’s why he’s better with the starting unit.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I guess I’m the opposite. I’d love the passing and playmaking with the 3 of Fox, Hali, and Bogi on the floor together. This also comes from how we’ve seen Walton use Buddy as a ball handler.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Well, why would Buddy handle the ball as much with Swipa and Hali on the floor with him?

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Ask Walton. At times he had Buddy handle the ball with Fox and Bogi on the floor.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I’d have to watch the sets again. Buddy handled the ball without Fox alot, but I don’t remember it being too bad once he came back.

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Yeah, but you drink.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

I also eat corned beef hash. What’s your point?

Last edited 14 days ago by Kingsguru21
RORDOG
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

let me get the leftovers

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I’ll fight you to the death before giving up my corned beef hash. I like you, but not that much.

RORDOG
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

ok fine. luckily I got leftover beans.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

The good news is that Gentry will probably be in control of the offense next season.

02kingsfan
14 days ago
Reply to  richie88

So that begs the question of what Walton’s job really is then

14 days ago
Reply to  02kingsfan

Eye candy for the ladies?

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. They also can’t trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92). A restricted free agent’s resulting contract (whether with the new team or the contract is matched by the player’s prior team) cannot be amended in any manner for one year.

Here’sthe excerpt from the FAQ.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

That’s fine. You can ask for Bogdan’s permission or, ultimately, it isn’t the worst thing in the world to have him on the roster for a full season at $15MM or so.
I’m assuming that “one year” will be adjusted to account for the shift in season dates.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago

That is assuming a normal July 1 to June 30th fiscal year, yes.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I don’t see that being a huge deal. If Bogi is looking at other options now, he could be amenable to a trade in the first year.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Just throwing it out there. I don’t think it kills deals, either.

RobHessing
14 days ago

Here’s the thing – There are only a few teams with enough cap space to take on Bogi without having to send out a lot of contract: Atlanta, New York, Charlotte, and (to a much smaller extent) Detroit. Now, Atlanta may have something going with Gordon Hayward, who amazingly opted out of his deal with Boston today. If that happens, the $44m in cap space that Atlanta has shrinks greatly.

This is probably good news for the Kings and bad news for Bogi, as any offers coming his way are going to be smaller than what he had hoped, unless the Knicks want to get frisky or the Hornets want to utilize the bulk of their cap space on him. Otherwise, a team is going to have to reward the Kings for participating in a sign and trade that is going to be to Bogi’s satisfaction.

Or he just winds up signing a one year deal here and heads out as a UFA next year.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

As soon as I saw the Hayward news, I went ‘oh boy, this could get interesting…….’

Last edited 14 days ago by Kingsguru21
Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I’m thinking it’s a S&T to Indiana for a Turner package.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

That’s gonna be tough to pull off if the Kings are still over the cap. Will have to get a 3rd team involved due to the BYC factor. I’m certainly interested in Myles Turner though.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Sorry, I was referring to Hayward to Indiana.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

That’s very interesting in of itself, Adam!

eddie41
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

That sounds like more than one thing.

Murf
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I know nothing but from the untold numbers of podcasts I listen too, Bogi is a valued commodity around the league, and the reaction to the deal with the Bucks it was felt like other teams felt like they could have matched the offer. It does seem to me he’d be of value to a contending team, time will tell

Maybe Danny Ainge will actually make a deal rather than leak to Boston media that the Celts were close to making a deal

highland_doug
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

I agree that Bogdanovic is considered very highly around the league, and is easily the second most desirable player on the Kings roster.

Hobby916
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Do the Sixers have the space now after the Richardson and Horford deals? Bogi would be good for them too

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

I was thinking that, too. Morey does love shooters. I have no idea about cap issues and whatnot, but Morey seems to manage to make trades work, and he’d be sitting across the table from his protegé.

I’d take back the Harris contract, to make it happen. He’s overpriced, but he balls. If I’m going to be saddled with a big contract, between Bogi and Harris, I take Harris.

I know y’all hate that contract. I’m not in love with it, either,

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Yeah, I’d MUCH rather have Bogdan on his likely deal than Harris on his. Somewhere along the path Harris went from underrated (in the Orlando and Detroit years) to overrated to max-contract-overrated within the span of a couple years.

andy_sims
14 days ago

All I can say in my defense is that Harris fills a position of need, whereas at the moment, Bogi really doesn’t. He’s also durable.

It’d be nice if Philly would eat some of that salary, but that seems unlikely.

ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Harris for Buddy I would do in a heart beat. Like you said, its a matter of which players huge contract you’d be more happy to be burdened with. I pick Harris. Especially after the Haliburton pick.

and then you either keep or trade bogi

Last edited 14 days ago by ArcoThunder
andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Salary-wise, we’d have to send both. That would be a hearty eff you to both of them, since they’d have to compete for minutes. I can’t imagine a scenario would actually play out.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

They are entirely different tiers of huge contract. Next season, Harris makes $34+MM. Hield is at $24MM. By the end of their deals, since Harris’s increases while Hield’s decreases, Harris will be making more than 2x Hield’s salary. The burden of the two contracts is meaningfully different.

RobHessing
14 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

He would be, but I don’t think they have space under the cap.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Those trades got the Sixers under the tax line, not cap space.

Indiana is also over the cap.

Last edited 14 days ago by Kingsguru21
CoreyBrewersD
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I still see GS looking at Bogi for a Thompson Temp Replacement. The do have the 15 mil trade exception. Bogi ain’t Klay but he fits the system. And If I am Bogi I gotta love the idea of playing at GS.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  CoreyBrewersD

What do the Dubs have that would make the Kings willing to do this?

Bbmuteman
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

James wiseman?

AirmaxPG
14 days ago
Reply to  Bbmuteman

And their first in 2021.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

Minny’s 1st (which they got when they acquired Wiggins) is probably a better asset than their own 1st.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  richie88

Yeah, give me that one!

9sac8
14 days ago
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Let me correct you.

JAMES WISEMAN!!!!

Last edited 14 days ago by 9sac8
CoreyBrewersD
12 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

No longer an issue but Kings aren’t in the driver seat as long as the other team has the cap space. Bobo can go wherever he wants and. 2nd or 2 will be the best likely return. That’s why I was stoked over the bucks trade. Hopefully he WANTS to stay.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  CoreyBrewersD

They just filled that TPE with Oubre.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Jeez, Presti realllllllllllllly wants that top 5 pick, don’t he?

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Hot take time! Given playing time, Darius Bazley will be as or more valuable than Oubre in the coming season.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago

I wouldn’t be shocked by that.

RobHessing
14 days ago
Reply to  CoreyBrewersD

I think they just used that exception on Oubre?

eddie41
14 days ago

This is good drama. Personally, I think a guard rotation of Fox, Haliburton and Bogdanovic would be ideal, but I’m lost in all the rumors and numbers. Hooking me into the next episode.

1951
14 days ago

Vlade’s fault!

eddie41
14 days ago
Reply to  1951

Aftershock. 3.0 on the Richter scale.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago

Just throwing this out there…… but I wonder if Bogi would take 9.6 million as a starting salary in Milwaukee if the market isn’t ultimately there. Especially for a couple of seasons. (That would work in terms of a S&T for DiVincenzo and Wilson straight up.)

We’ll see, though. It’s gonna be wild, regardless.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I’d rather just keep Bogdan in that case.

I have wondered if he could potentially just accept the QO and be a UFA next offseason.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago

He could. Doubt he does.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I agree. It doesn’t happen often. But these are unusual times.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

That seems even less likely than 1 of the Bucks’ FA’s (Sterling Brown, Pat Connaughton, Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez or Wes Matthews) being involved in a sign & trade for BB8 (which is technically possible, but unlikely IMO).

AirmaxPG
14 days ago

I’m actually relieved. Wasn’t a fan of the return from the Bucks. Even though it’s a little scary we could now watch Bogi walk while getting nothing in return. But I don’t think McNair would let that happen (I hope).

If we’re keeping just one shooting guard, I hope it’s Bogi. The team was better when he started, and his contract would presumably be less than Hield’s. Plus I feel like his game is more “Walton-proof”.

I think a promising young player plus a late first in 2021 or 2022 should be the return we are looking for. Otherwise, just keep them both and see if we can free up salary by trading CoJo or something.

TheGrantNapear
14 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

I am with you, didn’t like the return from Mil, would prefer to just keep Bogi.
You can always resign him and move him at a later time. I don’t see the rush.

ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

I also don’t see the rush. He’s a strong asset. Act accordingly.

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Still, having two aging, middling shooting guards on the payroll for over $35 mil per year for the next four years seems to completely contradict the plan to get younger, smarter, and faster. Oh, and to play some actual defense.

If both of these guys are still around in a month, it really hamstrings the rebuild.

ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

yeah but just because they are under contract for 4 years doesnt mean you need to keep them for al 4. Could trade both in a couple months or a couple years. Whats best 2 years from now should be a main focus in what to do with these two dudes. keeping both and then trading both would be my preference.

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

That leaves you in a position where you need to showcase not one, but two shooting guards, meaning that your SG of the future is playing seven minutes a night, for as you said, at least two years.

At least one of the old guys has got to go.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Barnes.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I’m sorry, but Barnes isn’t that bad. Overpaid, yes, but certainly not worth jettisoning at pennies on the dollar to ‘keep’ an asset.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I guess I’m just saying – if we’re going to complain about our cap situation, having Bogi at $15 million per year wouldn’t concern me as much as Barnes at $20 million per year and Buddy at $24 million per.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Agreed. This is the frustrating part to me.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Yes but Barnes also plays SF/PF. Who of Bogdanovic, Hield or Halliburton does that?

That said, the Kings are welcome to upgrade however and wherever they can.

TheGrantNapear
14 days ago

And the wins keep coming!
Now let’s resign Bogi and jettison Buddy.

Last edited 14 days ago by TheGrantNapear
AmateurNerd
14 days ago
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

For once, I actually agree with Grant Napear! Draft night indicated McNair is looking for high-IQ players who have a lot of positional versatility. Buddy fits neither of those boxes. Bogi does. Also, Bogi is a good soldier, while Buddy likes to pout publicly.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago

New King.

eddie41
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

A point forward! Like it. 2 steals per game also. Don’t know much about him, but sounds talented.

eddie41
14 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

Quick take: physical profile and athleticism like Terrance Mann. Maybe with better handles, shake n bake. High energy, active defender, could enable him to guard SFs. Can improve shooting percentages. Player.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

He often plays out of control and takes A TON of terrible shots. His TS% decreased every year in college from 51% as a freshman (which is really bad) to 47% as a Senior (which is horrendous.).

I like what McNair is going for here and I think Rose in an interesting lottery ticket, but there’s a good reason he was available as a UDFA and never even made an appearance on any of the big boards.

eddie41
14 days ago

I assume he’d be asked to improve his shot selection. Hopefully he has at least has one or two higher percentage shots in his repertoire that he can go to if not guarded well. Sometimes that’s all you need.

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I like Temple guys. They aren’t Villanova guys, but they seem to show up prepared.

Honestly, let’s just scoop up a bunch of athletic killers between 6’5″ and 6’9″, and run and harass everyone to death.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Isn’t that what Houston kind of tried?

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Yes, but we have G Spot thunder backing us!

RORDOG
14 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

that’s a myth

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I don’t think they had anyone who was taller than 6’7″.

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

It’s also basically what Miami was doing once Bam started. I’m just throwing crap at the wall. I’m like Don Nelson, except not completely fucking baked.

eddie41
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Pepe Sanchez was my favorite. Didn’t meet the athletic profile but I’d take 5 Pepes over 5 spazzes who can’t dribble or pass.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

This isn’t a bad approach. I’d throw in a bit of passing. Rose fits the profile. Diane, Queen, Hinton (all guys that have been picked up), etc.

eddie41
14 days ago

Who picked up Lamine?

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

Oh, maybe no one. I thought somebody had but now I can’t find any info. So… c’mon Kings!

nonstripedzebra
14 days ago

This makes me nervous. I assume a sign and trade is still possible somewhere else but the pressure of the situation with the bucks did make the lack of leverage, more plausible for a deal to materialize. Maybe i’m wrong, and teams would give up substance for the sure thing post seeing the Kings hand, but personally I would force a challenge from the Kings ala Sean Marks from years past if I was another team with ample room. Point is now the situation is in turbulent waters.

Caveat the pool could shrink with guys opting out and Haywards connection with the Hawks bodes well as they are the main threat. There isnt that many teams with present rooom. I could be needlessly nervous.

Last edited 14 days ago by nonstripedzebra
Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago

Oh shit!

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I think the Bucks are more likely to get in trouble than the Kings.

ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  richie88

for our sake and Monty’s I hope you are correct.

My guess is its more the bucks also. By the sound of it they REALLY WANT Bogi. I’m not hearing how the Kings really want to trade him.

I see zero reason why the Kings would make this announcement. same goes for the Bucks. I’m confused by this entire thing.

richie88
14 days ago

I read that 1 of the Bucks’ FA’s (Sterling Brown, Pat Connaughton, Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez or Wes Matthews) could be involved in a sign & trade, but that seems unlikely.

Kingsguru21
14 days ago
Reply to  richie88

Until something happens, I’m assuming it hasn’t. It’ll be interesting to see what happens here.

oshima9
14 days ago

This is disappointing. I liked Divincenzo, a young versatile player who defends well. I think we are going to struggle to get that kind of return now. And was the money difference that significant for Bogi such that he would rather play for another team with little likelihood of making the playoffs anytime soon?

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