The Milwaukee Bucks waived Ersan Ilyasova on Thursday, meaning the Bogdan Bogdanovic sign-and-trade will not happen. Ilyasova’s contract was necessary to make the salaries match under S&T rules (which are very complex), and the Bucks do not have any other contracts that could make the numbers work.
Milwaukee is waiving forward Ersan Ilyasova, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 19, 2020
Despite any theories that the deal fell apart as a ruse to avoid tampering charges, there is no clear path forward for this trade to be saved.
Bogdan Bogdanovic will enter restricted free agency tomorrow at 6 PM ET. The Sacramento Kings will still maintain the right to match any offer sheet Bogi signs, and the Kings can still attempt to arrange new sign and trade deals.
Sam Amick was on Carmichael Dave’s show this morning and indicated that Bogdan may have been on board with the deal before the Bucks also acquired Jrue Holiday. The Holiday acquisition may have meant a smaller role for Bogi, or perhaps a smaller contract. It’s hard to know for sure.
Something I find interesting is that Bogi is represented by Jason Ranne, who is also Nemanja Bjelica’s agent. In 2018 Bjelica agreed to a deal with the 76ers, but then backed out of the agreement before the contract was signed. Bjelica told the Sixers he was going to play in Europe instead, but then ended up signing with the Kings for about $2 million more per year than the Sixers had offered.
The Buck(s trade) stops here.
It would be sad and hilarious if Giannis doesn’t sign after all the moves Milwaukee did to keep him.
If Giannis still wants to play with Bogi, he can do so in Sacramento!
It probably won’t happen, but I would love for us to match the Bogi deal, then trade Hield.
a backcourt of Fox, Bogi and Haliburton with Jeffries as the energy guy sounds like a lot of fun
this times a billion!!!
Run it back, fellas!
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Wow!! Could this mean Capela, Reddish, or Hunter S+T??ð¤
You mean “Huerter”.
De’Andre Hunter. Huerter doesn’t seem like enough of a return — would rather have Divincenzo
I definitely agree with you on Divincenzo. I said something about him months back. I checked out Hunter. He’s not bad at all. I like the deal above, but ATL has to take Barnes too.
I’d put Donte and Huerter on pretty similar levels. Huerter is a better shooter and ball-handler with better size. Donte is a better defender. If I were choosing between the two, I’d take Huerter.
Hunter has more defensive upside than either. But his awareness is lacking.
I’m with you on Huerter. Really good ball handler and shooter for his size and would be an excellent secondary or tertiary playmaker next to Fox and Hali. Only issue I have with Huerter is his knees and his injury history.
Bogi gon’ get Bonzi’d if he not careful.
(in best drunk Mr. Miyagi voice): “BONZAI!!!”
What if McNair leaked the trade to scare Eastern Conference teams into upping their offers ð¤
Old Ranne is a slippery one.
I’d prefer not to see Bobo walk for nothing, but I’d rather not see him signed to a deal of more than two years, although terms of the contract will be out of our hands at that point. He isn’t part of where this team is going, and I’d rather he walked than get stuck with four years at $15-20 million per.
This, I predict, will be an unpopular opinion.
Agreed, would not touch anything over 17 mil
That’s probably somewhere around my break point. But I’d happily keep him at 15MM. I think next trade deadline or offseason that will end up being an easy contract to move for quality assets.
But if you match a RFA, trading him for the next year is tough. Bogi could turn down any deal for an entire year.
That is why you trade Buddy.
Question, who would you rather see share the floor together at times?
Fox, Hali, Bogi or Fox, Buddy Hali?
Fox, Buddy, Hali, definitely. Different abilities, they play off each other.
I also think Bogi is overrated as a scorer, that’s why he’s better with the starting unit.
I guess I’m the opposite. I’d love the passing and playmaking with the 3 of Fox, Hali, and Bogi on the floor together. This also comes from how we’ve seen Walton use Buddy as a ball handler.
Well, why would Buddy handle the ball as much with Swipa and Hali on the floor with him?
Ask Walton. At times he had Buddy handle the ball with Fox and Bogi on the floor.
I’d have to watch the sets again. Buddy handled the ball without Fox alot, but I don’t remember it being too bad once he came back.
Yeah, but you drink.
I also eat corned beef hash. What’s your point?
let me get the leftovers
I’ll fight you to the death before giving up my corned beef hash. I like you, but not that much.
ok fine. luckily I got leftover beans.
The good news is that Gentry will probably be in control of the offense next season.
So that begs the question of what Walton’s job really is then
Eye candy for the ladies?
Here’sthe excerpt from the FAQ.
That’s fine. You can ask for Bogdan’s permission or, ultimately, it isn’t the worst thing in the world to have him on the roster for a full season at $15MM or so.
I’m assuming that “one year” will be adjusted to account for the shift in season dates.
That is assuming a normal July 1 to June 30th fiscal year, yes.
I don’t see that being a huge deal. If Bogi is looking at other options now, he could be amenable to a trade in the first year.
Just throwing it out there. I don’t think it kills deals, either.
Here’s the thing – There are only a few teams with enough cap space to take on Bogi without having to send out a lot of contract: Atlanta, New York, Charlotte, and (to a much smaller extent) Detroit. Now, Atlanta may have something going with Gordon Hayward, who amazingly opted out of his deal with Boston today. If that happens, the $44m in cap space that Atlanta has shrinks greatly.
This is probably good news for the Kings and bad news for Bogi, as any offers coming his way are going to be smaller than what he had hoped, unless the Knicks want to get frisky or the Hornets want to utilize the bulk of their cap space on him. Otherwise, a team is going to have to reward the Kings for participating in a sign and trade that is going to be to Bogi’s satisfaction.
Or he just winds up signing a one year deal here and heads out as a UFA next year.
As soon as I saw the Hayward news, I went ‘oh boy, this could get interesting…….’
I’m thinking it’s a S&T to Indiana for a Turner package.
That’s gonna be tough to pull off if the Kings are still over the cap. Will have to get a 3rd team involved due to the BYC factor. I’m certainly interested in Myles Turner though.
Sorry, I was referring to Hayward to Indiana.
That’s very interesting in of itself, Adam!
That sounds like more than one thing.
I know nothing but from the untold numbers of podcasts I listen too, Bogi is a valued commodity around the league, and the reaction to the deal with the Bucks it was felt like other teams felt like they could have matched the offer. It does seem to me he’d be of value to a contending team, time will tell
Maybe Danny Ainge will actually make a deal rather than leak to Boston media that the Celts were close to making a deal
I agree that Bogdanovic is considered very highly around the league, and is easily the second most desirable player on the Kings roster.
Do the Sixers have the space now after the Richardson and Horford deals? Bogi would be good for them too
I was thinking that, too. Morey does love shooters. I have no idea about cap issues and whatnot, but Morey seems to manage to make trades work, and he’d be sitting across the table from his protegé.
I’d take back the Harris contract, to make it happen. He’s overpriced, but he balls. If I’m going to be saddled with a big contract, between Bogi and Harris, I take Harris.
I know y’all hate that contract. I’m not in love with it, either,
Yeah, I’d MUCH rather have Bogdan on his likely deal than Harris on his. Somewhere along the path Harris went from underrated (in the Orlando and Detroit years) to overrated to max-contract-overrated within the span of a couple years.
All I can say in my defense is that Harris fills a position of need, whereas at the moment, Bogi really doesn’t. He’s also durable.
It’d be nice if Philly would eat some of that salary, but that seems unlikely.
Harris for Buddy I would do in a heart beat. Like you said, its a matter of which players huge contract you’d be more happy to be burdened with. I pick Harris. Especially after the Haliburton pick.
and then you either keep or trade bogi
Salary-wise, we’d have to send both. That would be a hearty eff you to both of them, since they’d have to compete for minutes. I can’t imagine a scenario would actually play out.
They are entirely different tiers of huge contract. Next season, Harris makes $34+MM. Hield is at $24MM. By the end of their deals, since Harris’s increases while Hield’s decreases, Harris will be making more than 2x Hield’s salary. The burden of the two contracts is meaningfully different.
He would be, but I don’t think they have space under the cap.
Those trades got the Sixers under the tax line, not cap space.
Indiana is also over the cap.
I still see GS looking at Bogi for a Thompson Temp Replacement. The do have the 15 mil trade exception. Bogi ain’t Klay but he fits the system. And If I am Bogi I gotta love the idea of playing at GS.
What do the Dubs have that would make the Kings willing to do this?
James wiseman?
And their first in 2021.
Minny’s 1st (which they got when they acquired Wiggins) is probably a better asset than their own 1st.
Yeah, give me that one!
Let me correct you.
JAMES WISEMAN!!!!
No longer an issue but Kings aren’t in the driver seat as long as the other team has the cap space. Bobo can go wherever he wants and. 2nd or 2 will be the best likely return. That’s why I was stoked over the bucks trade. Hopefully he WANTS to stay.
They just filled that TPE with Oubre.
Jeez, Presti realllllllllllllly wants that top 5 pick, don’t he?
Hot take time! Given playing time, Darius Bazley will be as or more valuable than Oubre in the coming season.
I wouldn’t be shocked by that.
I think they just used that exception on Oubre?
This is good drama. Personally, I think a guard rotation of Fox, Haliburton and Bogdanovic would be ideal, but I’m lost in all the rumors and numbers. Hooking me into the next episode.
Vlade’s fault!
Aftershock. 3.0 on the Richter scale.
Just throwing this out there…… but I wonder if Bogi would take 9.6 million as a starting salary in Milwaukee if the market isn’t ultimately there. Especially for a couple of seasons. (That would work in terms of a S&T for DiVincenzo and Wilson straight up.)
We’ll see, though. It’s gonna be wild, regardless.
I’d rather just keep Bogdan in that case.
I have wondered if he could potentially just accept the QO and be a UFA next offseason.
He could. Doubt he does.
I agree. It doesn’t happen often. But these are unusual times.
That seems even less likely than 1 of the Bucks’ FA’s (Sterling Brown, Pat Connaughton, Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez or Wes Matthews) being involved in a sign & trade for BB8 (which is technically possible, but unlikely IMO).
I’m actually relieved. Wasn’t a fan of the return from the Bucks. Even though it’s a little scary we could now watch Bogi walk while getting nothing in return. But I don’t think McNair would let that happen (I hope).
If we’re keeping just one shooting guard, I hope it’s Bogi. The team was better when he started, and his contract would presumably be less than Hield’s. Plus I feel like his game is more “Walton-proof”.
I think a promising young player plus a late first in 2021 or 2022 should be the return we are looking for. Otherwise, just keep them both and see if we can free up salary by trading CoJo or something.
I am with you, didn’t like the return from Mil, would prefer to just keep Bogi.
You can always resign him and move him at a later time. I don’t see the rush.
I also don’t see the rush. He’s a strong asset. Act accordingly.
Still, having two aging, middling shooting guards on the payroll for over $35 mil per year for the next four years seems to completely contradict the plan to get younger, smarter, and faster. Oh, and to play some actual defense.
If both of these guys are still around in a month, it really hamstrings the rebuild.
yeah but just because they are under contract for 4 years doesnt mean you need to keep them for al 4. Could trade both in a couple months or a couple years. Whats best 2 years from now should be a main focus in what to do with these two dudes. keeping both and then trading both would be my preference.
That leaves you in a position where you need to showcase not one, but two shooting guards, meaning that your SG of the future is playing seven minutes a night, for as you said, at least two years.
At least one of the old guys has got to go.
Barnes.
I’m sorry, but Barnes isn’t that bad. Overpaid, yes, but certainly not worth jettisoning at pennies on the dollar to ‘keep’ an asset.
I guess I’m just saying – if we’re going to complain about our cap situation, having Bogi at $15 million per year wouldn’t concern me as much as Barnes at $20 million per year and Buddy at $24 million per.
Agreed. This is the frustrating part to me.
Yes but Barnes also plays SF/PF. Who of Bogdanovic, Hield or Halliburton does that?
That said, the Kings are welcome to upgrade however and wherever they can.
And the wins keep coming!
Now let’s resign Bogi and jettison Buddy.
For once, I actually agree with Grant Napear! Draft night indicated McNair is looking for high-IQ players who have a lot of positional versatility. Buddy fits neither of those boxes. Bogi does. Also, Bogi is a good soldier, while Buddy likes to pout publicly.
New King.
https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/1329559773029691393
A point forward! Like it. 2 steals per game also. Don’t know much about him, but sounds talented.
Quick take: physical profile and athleticism like Terrance Mann. Maybe with better handles, shake n bake. High energy, active defender, could enable him to guard SFs. Can improve shooting percentages. Player.
He often plays out of control and takes A TON of terrible shots. His TS% decreased every year in college from 51% as a freshman (which is really bad) to 47% as a Senior (which is horrendous.).
I like what McNair is going for here and I think Rose in an interesting lottery ticket, but there’s a good reason he was available as a UDFA and never even made an appearance on any of the big boards.
I assume he’d be asked to improve his shot selection. Hopefully he has at least has one or two higher percentage shots in his repertoire that he can go to if not guarded well. Sometimes that’s all you need.
I like Temple guys. They aren’t Villanova guys, but they seem to show up prepared.
Honestly, let’s just scoop up a bunch of athletic killers between 6’5″ and 6’9″, and run and harass everyone to death.
Isn’t that what Houston kind of tried?
Yes, but we have G Spot thunder backing us!
that’s a myth
I don’t think they had anyone who was taller than 6’7″.
It’s also basically what Miami was doing once Bam started. I’m just throwing crap at the wall. I’m like Don Nelson, except not completely fucking baked.
Pepe Sanchez was my favorite. Didn’t meet the athletic profile but I’d take 5 Pepes over 5 spazzes who can’t dribble or pass.
This isn’t a bad approach. I’d throw in a bit of passing. Rose fits the profile. Diane, Queen, Hinton (all guys that have been picked up), etc.
Who picked up Lamine?
Oh, maybe no one. I thought somebody had but now I can’t find any info. So… c’mon Kings!
This makes me nervous. I assume a sign and trade is still possible somewhere else but the pressure of the situation with the bucks did make the lack of leverage, more plausible for a deal to materialize. Maybe i’m wrong, and teams would give up substance for the sure thing post seeing the Kings hand, but personally I would force a challenge from the Kings ala Sean Marks from years past if I was another team with ample room. Point is now the situation is in turbulent waters.
Caveat the pool could shrink with guys opting out and Haywards connection with the Hawks bodes well as they are the main threat. There isnt that many teams with present rooom. I could be needlessly nervous.
Oh shit!
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1329577691457212417
I think the Bucks are more likely to get in trouble than the Kings.
for our sake and Monty’s I hope you are correct.
My guess is its more the bucks also. By the sound of it they REALLY WANT Bogi. I’m not hearing how the Kings really want to trade him.
I see zero reason why the Kings would make this announcement. same goes for the Bucks. I’m confused by this entire thing.
I read that 1 of the Bucks’ FA’s (Sterling Brown, Pat Connaughton, Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez or Wes Matthews) could be involved in a sign & trade, but that seems unlikely.
Until something happens, I’m assuming it hasn’t. It’ll be interesting to see what happens here.
This is disappointing. I liked Divincenzo, a young versatile player who defends well. I think we are going to struggle to get that kind of return now. And was the money difference that significant for Bogi such that he would rather play for another team with little likelihood of making the playoffs anytime soon?
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