I should be angry about this team.
Last night I watched the Kings lose to one of the top teams in the West. A team that hired a new coach two years ago and passed on drafting Luke Doncic, and yet they still found a way to succeed. I should be mad about that.
The Kings are in the middle of their second 9-game losing streak of the season. If they lose another game it will be their longest losing streak in over 20 years. The Kings this season will tie the NBA’s longest ever playoff drought at 15 years. The next longest drought (10 years) is the previously alluded to Phoenix Suns, and they’ll end that streak this year.
Despite the Kings being terrible, there’s no youth movement in sight. Robert Woodard, Jahmi’us Ramsey, and Kyle Guy couldn’t get playing time when the Kings were trailing by 10 with less than a minute left last night. Tyrese Haliburton, a proven rookie who is in contention for Rookie of the Year, doesn’t start games because he was benched for journeyman Maurice Harkless. This team is being run as if this season isn’t over, and as though next season doesn’t matter. It’s being run this way because everybody knows Luke Walton is a lame duck coach despite his two remaining years on his contract.
All of this should make me mad.
And yet this team has taken my fire. I watch the front office continue with the same coach. I watch the coach roll out the same lineups. I watch the players go through the motions. I watch a broadcast that doesn’t demand accountability from anyone during games or after losses.
Nobody seems to care about what’s happening, and yet the fans are expected to continue to care about and support this team. I watch the games, but it’s a matter of habit. I enjoy good plays, but I know they’re meaningless. Last night when the Kings briefly took a fourth quarter lead, it didn’t even cross my mind that the Kings could win. I assumed they’d blow it, and it only took a couple minutes for that to happen.
There was a time when, even in the dregs of the end of the season, I would still get worked up over the decisions this team made. Now, I can’t find that passion. I count down the games and days until the end of the season, in hopes that maybe the Kings will actually do something to give me hope again.
For now, we have 16 games left, we have one month left.
They don’t call it basketball hell for no reason!
One of the only things keeping me going is waiting to see if Monte will have the freedom to shape this roster this offseason in his vision and pick his coach. History tells us no and that Vivek is still meddling, and there have also been signs that maybe Monte doesn’t make the best of decisions or at the very least he makes meh decisions. But alas, as a Kings fan, I have to hold onto something.
My fear is that he may have caved to Vivek at the trade deadline. I hope that was not the case.
“Pssst. Want to know my secret? I surround myself with scapegoats.”
Rob, Otis, and 1951 in a bar.
More like Gozer and Zuul, honestly.
I wanna ask what the hell the bald guy in the back is looking at. Then, maybe I DON’T want to know. ððð
Sorry. I just didn’t care enough to read the article.ð
I fight against apathy, but is it worth it if that apathy is mainly countered by anger, cynicism and sarcasm?
You have to learn to just let the apathy wash over you. Reacting to it defeats the purpose of letting go of the cortisol-creators.
The cynicism I feel about the team right now flows from me effortlessly, so it’s not raising my blood pressure. I’m told there are people whom experience joy in this manner.
But truthfully, I find myself rooting for disaster, chaos and humiliation in every game (except no injuries!). Fortunately, with Luke “Never made an adjustment in his coaching life” Walton at the helm and a bunch of soft players, I typically get that most nights.
It’s a terrible thing for a fan to find one’s self rooting against their own team, but I want there to be no doubt as to what needs to be done at the end of the season. This franchise earned the right to be completely embarrassed.
So I guess that makes me the opposite of apathetic, which linguistically would be pathetic? 😉
I watch, and hope they play well, but you’re right, winning games this season is of no benefit to the organization.
Yep. The best thing that can happen is that they keep losing. It removes any justification for keeping Walton, likely nets a better draft pick and maybe necessitates some personnel changes.
I also root for mayhem. We won’t get playoffs and I’m sick of mediocrity so may as well hope humiliation creates change. My cousin and dad are also avid Kings fans and are still confused why I root for losses. I just tell them to go read TKH!
I don’t remember witnessing any Sacramento Kings 10-game losing streaks. If it happened, I must’ve repressed it from memory.
But I’m guessing I won’t be the only fan watching with wonder when the Kings play Luka Doncic and the Mavs for a possible 10-game losing streak this coming Sunday.
I hope Vivek and Aneel and Matina and the ghost of Vlade are there sitting courtside to watch it happen. I wouldn’t question if Bagley wanted to stay home for that game.
1989 was the last 10 game losing streak, I believe.
Gah! I was hoping to block that out.
(thanks for the history/answer)
Rob remembers because it was the day of his retirement party
I can’t remember if that was also the last day he wore pants.
I wasn’t even born in 1989!
To lose this many games in s row, on multiple occasions, is not a good look. What happened to heart. Mark Price for example. Mean son of a bitch on the court. Short for a PG, but had ultimate heart. There are other examples…John Stockton (genius), Baron Davis (Charlotte), and SuperSonic GP. These four examples put it on the line to win every night.
I said all that to say, these kids should go on th he court expecting to win…EVERY F-ING game. Leaving it up to chance means, long ass losing streaks. And breds loser mentalities.
I’m rooting for as much embarrassment as possible, however it arrives. 20 point deficits in the second quarter are a nice start.
Mediocrity, from the word mediocre: “Of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad.” I can only wish this team were mediocre, as it would be a huge leap.
I couldn’t have said it better..
To argue for the Suns, at least Ayton is servicable. Even if you dont think he is good, CP3 elevates his play.
We are a team that needs to build through the draft and only have two draft picks playing out of the last 10 years. The eligible third is on his way out..
16 games left and no sight of Guy or Woodard. Woodard should get Mo’s minutes to end the year.
Delon Wright looks like a slower version of Haliburton and I havent seen enough from him to say the trade was good. Terence Davis has some tools but needs some molding. What is Silva? Harkless is a bench wing.
Why did he bench Haliburton!?
Ahh! Venting done!
I’ve only been watching because my wife keeps turning the game on. I’ve lost all desire to watch this team and I hate it.
I agree with a lot of this. I mean, so much of it is irrefutable. I don’t get the same impression that the players don’t care, though. Even in that absolute dogshit first half against the Pelicans, it didn’t seem to me as though the players were half-assing it.
Of course there are probably guys running out the string, at least mentally, but I don’t think the stretches of bad play we watch in most games can be attributed to apathy.
And very definitely yes, the kids should be getting non-garbage time minutes, but that would require Walton to understand that as the season goes, everything left is garbage time. Beating the hell out of Fox for forty minutes a night isn’t doing anyone any good. He’s still trying to save his own ass, and will need to be leaned on hard before he starts benching veterans.
This team cares and that’s a ridiculous assertion. They are desperately trying to win games they just are not very good. The front office also cares they just are terribly conflicted on what to do next so they are in a state of analysis paralysis. The trade deadline moves which didn’t amount to much do however display a management group that can’t decide on a future course of action. You point to a failure to utilize the young players which is true but that is more evidence of cognitive dissonance it’s not apathy. I will however say this about the young guys, I really haven’t seen much from Justin James, Kyle Guy, and Metu when they have gotten their limited opportunities.
With all that said, the organization IMO is only a couple of smart moves away from becoming a lower level playoff team with a decent future ahead. The big question going forward is if this management group has the competency to make those shrewd moves that can get the team to the next level. I’m skeptical but hopeful.
I have not seen that at all. They seem to be mailing it in.
We were able to hang our hat on the idea that “at least they always give effort”, but that’s been out the window since Joerger left. Detroit and Washington both played much harder than Sacramento recently. Last night was a bit better, but more the exception than the rule.
Caring about scoring is not caring about winning.
I have yet to see anyone from the org indicate that they give a shit about “trying” to play better defense. I don’t see adjustments or emphasis from the coaching staff and zero fire from the players on that end.
So, I agree and don’t think they are “desperately trying to win” since that would entail doing everything you can to win, not just the stuff that shows up on the stat sheets.
All this bitching about reffering and not one peep of frustration about how pathetic the defense is.
Yeah, when they do play defense, that’s when you know they actually give a shit.
In other words, they haven’t given a shit for a few years now.
that seems like reasonable optimism. Those moves could be (1) hire a good coach, (2) draft a good player, and (3) have some success in free agency and/or offseason trades. Look at the end of Bryant’s game summary for the Suns game about how the situation in Phoenix turned around quickly.
Mood:
I’m dragging my feet to the barbershop.
Since I started rooting for this team my freshman year of college forever ago, I’m as close now as I’ve ever been to giving up on them. But who am I fooling? At some point, habit takes over.
I have definitely reached the point where I cannot take this organization seriously. It has reached a level of failure that is bordering on the historic, and with this year’s playoff miss Ranadive will own the longest playoff drought streak of any Kings owner, dating all the way back to the franchise’s inception in 1949.
The last front office set this team back perhaps a decade, and the light that we as fans think we repeatedly see at the end of the tunnel turns out to be yet another oncoming train.
Love this community, and the team is actually hilarious to watch if you disconnect from it. And I guess that’s where I am right now. I laugh at this team when I watch it. Loud, long horse laughs. Schitt’s Creek and Kangz basketball are my two favorite comedies. The games should be broadcast on Comedy Central.
I still watch, and still hold out at least a glimmer of hope for better days ahead. But I’m with Greg – this team will not see me emotionally or financially invested until it changes its ways. And under Ranadive’s leadership, let’s just say that the glimmer dims at least a little more each day.
Go Kings fans. You deserve so much better than what you have received.
Is it laughter, or manslaughter?
…Fanslaughter. That’s it.
I’ve gotten some great horse laughs over some of the things you proposed or supported. Dedmon and George Hill just being two examples. I think if you were in the front office you’d make a buffoon like Vlade look competent. You get your jollies making fun of Kayte Hunter which I guess you feel competent doing based on your vast playing and coaching experience. You ought to compare your resume to Kayte’s sometime and really get some long horse laughs.
hit dog hollas
This seems unnecessary. Rob’s comment didn’t mention Dedmon or George Hill or Kayte Hunter.
Go back and read his derogatory comments about Kayte and then respond.
Go back and comment on that comment then, wherever it is.
The comment Rob posted here on this thread said nothing of her.
I believe the KH fan club played with Kayte and is a friend. I wouldn’t appreciate the comments he has made. I must admit I’m not objective in this one because I’m not a Rob fan either. I am however very impressed with the basketball postings from the KH fan club and her experience in the game is quite evident. Just a side note, It’s one thing to say Walton sucks and another thing to break down his deficiencies. She’s one of the few posters that have broken down the defensive deficiencies with specifics. As someone who coaches, I appreciate that type of analysis.
You coach? I was unaware
You are unaware of a lot of things and unaware of what you’re unaware of.
Give the little man a break, he’s still dealing with being cut from his second grade after school team. You’re going to put him over the edge.
I think we need an old-school IP check here. Y’all use pretty similar rhetoric.
Lol I wouldn’t be surprised.
It wouldn’t surprise me if KHFC and WTBGM are plants ð±. Like Being paid to cause troll issues here for the Kings FO. They are on at similar times and seem to agree with each other over anyone else. Just a feeling I get. Anyone else?
I will change my handle to K-Anon as soon as either puts up a Patreon sponsorship ð
Unless you’re a troll, then it’s vital.
Interesting. You do know that I did not sign either Dedmon or Hill, right? So the fact that I thought that they were good signings (which I did) is really inconsequential, since I have no power over the decisions of the organization. Like you, I’m just a fan. I liked Kawhi back in the day. I also thought that Bobby Sura was going to have a better NBA career than Steve Nash. /Shrugs
I did not bring up Kayte Hunter here, and have not for some time. If you don’t stop picking at that scab, it will never heal.
Item last re: Vlade. I would have taken Doncic. So while I would have considered myself as the last person that should be running an NBA basketball team, it turns out that I was the next to the last person.
I think the fan club has a fair point based on the comments you’ve made about Kayte Hunter. They were also made in a way to garner some laughs at her expense.
And you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as are all Kings fans.
Come on, no one forced Katye to be a TV analyst for a bad NBA team. If she is going to use her platform to tell people that the Kings aren’t that bad, that the team is trying really hard, that injuries are a reason for the loss to the Wizards, then people have every right to disagree with her.
Rob’s been wrong a few times, admittedly. So has everyone here. Part of offering an opinion on a sports message board.
Kayte’s not always wrong, but she’s always a shill.
Part of her job is to be an advocate like most local broadcasting crews. She does have a pretty impressive resume and she knows basketball. I think calling her a shill is a little harsh.
That’s absolutely part of her job, and I think she does know basketball. I thought she was great when she first started with the franchise.
Problem is, she’s become an apologist for a terrible franchise so her analysis is generally skewed to defending process.
every single person on this board is tied with Kayte in career NBA minutes.
Worst take ever lol.
She can be both an adept basketball mind and a shill. It’s quite clear she knows her stuff, but also masquerades for the franchise with silver lining platitudes (and condescension towards fans). She probably does think Luke should be fired for a better coach and she clearly knows the team plays abjectly uninspired defense. You’re right it’s part of her job, but that doesn’t really make it any better.
I don’t even agree that it’s part of any broadcaster’s job to be Baghdad Bob. Jerry Reynolds managed to do his job without constantly making absurd excuses for the team’s failures. Napear a lot less so, and that’s part of why he was so disliked as a radio host.
I see no issue with being critical of obvious poor play while discussing positives and areas of potential improvement. Constantly excusing a nine game losing streak helps no one and damages the integrity of the person doing it.
Totally. And 99% of what Kayte says in her critique go alone the lines of “The Kings have to got to play harder,” which makes me think she should just take over Luke’s job because I feel equally as informed by her commentary as I do with his, except that she has faintly more flicker in her flame
Have a purple.
Kayte bringing the heat
Lol entertaining thread to read ðð¿
Well, at least we all agree that it’s Kayte Hunter’s fault.
I was saving this for Sunday but I don’t care either.
Perfect… I have zero interest in spending a dime to watch this team play live. Honestly, I’m actually dreading seeing fans cheering these losers on, holding up sign of support, etc..
I will say, as pathetic as this team is, I still prefer this over the DMC years.
Amidst a lost season to bear,
Will Kings fans at Golden 1 care?
If they even show up
They risk that they’ll throw up
At the sad play they’re witnessing there!
It’s hard not to be apathetic when the team so clearly is apathetic. The players underperform regularly, and the FO does not fire the coach who clearly has lost the ability to focus the team and should be fired.
I resemble that remark.
I mentioned this a week or so ago. Your welcome for the idea of an article!!!
FIRE MATINA
Funny thing is it seems like commenters on here always commenting on the deplorable state of the franchise are the same folks who pay their hard earned money to go to games and buy merchandise etc. Once G1C is reopened, most will sadly be there enabling Vivek and this FO.
If you’re actually sick of this poop show, then don’t watch the games, don’t go to games and don’t buy merch. Just come on TKH and stay up to date on the happenings.
#GrantsRant
Thank you thank you ð
Can’t blame anyone for apathy. I enjoyed the early season and most just seeing Fox’s step forward and how fun Tyrese Haliburton is. But big picture, I never had expectations of this season being anything but a wash of a season, aside from player development.
It’s a sad place to be, but my guarded apathy has been there all year. I’ll start engaging more if/when there are significant moves in the offseason.
TIL – the Kings are still playing games.
I am a man of great patience and deep zen. I watched every single Bills game from 2000 through 2017 *despite not living anywhere near Buffalo*, no matter the inconvenience, and most of those years that team could suck-start a jet. Every year I was brimming with hope that was dashed by November and I think it’s finally paying off. I also may own an inordinate amount of Josh Allen apparel for a guy who threatened to never watch football again when he was drafted.
I have had Kings season tickets from year 1 of moving to Sacramento. Well, I guess the first year was a half season, but still, I am willing to emotionally invest in crappy small market teams. When they do end up winning, it’s worth it. Very, very worth it.
That said, this is pathetic. I’m ok with playing out the string with Walton for the year but he 100% needs to be fired this summer and a new coach who can get these guys to play defense needs to be installed. My season tickets for next year are more or less paid for so I am going to enjoy them (or try to) but there needs to be some movement in a positive direction if I am going to renew past that.
A Bills fan eh? How did you feel about that video Marshawn posted about nightlife in Buffalo? (By the way he’s my favorite RB all time – goes back to watching him at Cal – the only RB words can’t describe). But that video …
Crown and blue isn’t for everyone.
We are either making the playoffs and winning it all or getting the number 1 pick. I’m not crazy, you’re crazy
I’ve been on the apathy train since 2013 because I knew the people at top were incapable of doing the right thing. Now, it’s almost no matter what they do they will get slammed for it. The hysteria doesn’t matter. Tanking, not tanking doesn’t matter much anymore, either. The Kings weren’t going to win much this season, so the decision to not trade Barnes (in particular) doesn’t matter much unless you’re trying to win next season. Trading Buddy Hield, and certainly Marvin Bagley, might be possible given the star FA class teams were saving up for isn’t nearly as star studded.
Assuming you want to trade Buddy Hield which is what I think all sides need at this point: A clean break. Whether or not it can happen, who the fuck knows. Gilbert Arenas once got traded, there’s no especially discernible reason as to why Buddy can’t, too.
This team can’t play defense, and that was pretty obvious to me (and I said as much) from the get go. This team doesn’t have the physicality to beat teams and push dudes off their spot. Consequently the Kings are getting punked like the sugar punk fairy slapped Lou Reed in the 70s when he got melancholy.
This bunch just isn’t physical enough and there isn’t enough commitment to running, speed and athleticism to make up for this in a 48 minute game. More likely there isn’t enough talent to pull it off unless the team is a bottom half tier roster in the NBA. The toughest guy on this team is quite possibly Terence Davis….and that’s not exactly a winning formula.
The thing is identifying the problems are pretty easy. What is the solution? Up tempo with another ball handler? Build a more traditional up front smash mouth whoop your ass reincarnated from Charles Oakley team? Smack De’Aaron Fox with speed gloves until he starts eating rats and making Clubber Lang fearful? No clue, that’s the job of Monte McNair. And that’s anyone’s guess as to what McNair is really doing at this point given how he close he plays his cards to his vest (which bothers me none admittedly). What I know is that the apathy you describe Greg is exactly where I was at until 2017, and still mostly have consider what’s happening up top.
At some point, the shit is a spade, and gots to call ’em as such. But it seems like there is an adult at the top running things, maybe a bit of patience is required just to see how this summer and next year goes. After all, unless you know something I don’t, Monte McNair isn’t responsible for the 15 year playoff drought. Who knows what this summer brings, and what not?
What I know is that this team doesn’t drive me crazy as I don’t feel there’s a lack of a plan (it’s just one a lot of people don’t like). I enjoy watching De’Aaron Fox at his best, and that’s proving to be an elite offensive player. I wonder if Marvin Bagley is salvageable, but that’s mostly idle speculation on my part. I’m not especially worried about resigning Richaun Holmes, but I do wonder how you build an elite NBA defense around him as the centerpiece. Because as of now I’m not seeing that. Which makes the hysteria around resigning/not resigning Holmes mostly pointless. I hope the Kings get lucky in the lottery, but I’m interested to see how they might proceed if they do not regardless. There is more than one path to relevancy, after all.
To each they own, people gots to do them. I’m okay with what’s what transpiring atm, but I know plenty aren’t. It’s one of those crossroads a lot of franchises get to. I suppose the good news is I don’t especially see any reason the Kings can’t be successful next season, with or without Luke Walton. But I’m probably wrong. Either way, I won’t be driven crazy by it. I’m not running things, it’s not my money at stake. Why should I give a shit if it goes awry? Either entertain me or get the fuck gone because there are alternatives to you. I exercise that power. If you don’t, that’s on you. And so it goes…
..yet the fans are expected to continue to care about and support this team..
I don’t agree with this. I’ve never felt as a fan that I had an expectation by an organization to support and/or care about their team. Teams and organizations have always felt appreciative of fans who pay for their spectacle. I feel like this is gazing at the poor management of the franchise and the terrible product on the court and personalizing it. The team can’t win. But I don’t feel that anyone is expecting me to support their losing.
Despite not living around Sacramento, nor even in America, I really feel the emotions about post and everyone’s comments. The Kings really have the best and most passionate fans in the NBA, I’ve seen it live a couple of times when I always drop by a Kings game when I’m around Northern California/Bay Area.
The team has made a couple of bad decisions, from hiring Vlade as GM, drafting Bagley, bloated Buddy contract, hiring Walton (without considering other options), bad FA signings. However, I see the hiring of Monte as a good move, a step towards winning. Great educational background, young GM with a lot of front office experience, had great seasons for the Rockets. Monte saw the team is in the thick for a play-in spot around the trade deadline, and he made a gamble by being “value buyers” that obviously didn’t pay-off. The next good decision that Monte can do is to hire a new coach. I think Walton is not playing the rookies because he still believe we still have a shot at the 10th spot (we’re about 5 games out with 16 games to go, just wave the white flag).
Speaking of coaching, Walton is not a really good coach or maybe even not decent as HC in the NBA (can’t even lead Lebron to a playoff spot). He doesn’t hold players accountable, I can’t see what’s his system (Joerger made it clear that he’s going to run). Watching other broadcasts (i.e. Suns, Pels, Knicks) mention that Kings have that talent on paper but doesn’t seem to make it right. It’s really frustrating that the Suns, Grizz, Hawks, and even the Knicks leaped over us.
A coaching change in my opinion will make the team better (see: Hawks, Knicks). Couple that with a good draft pick and development of Fox and Hali, we’ll be in a better spot.
Man I miss the gold old days of watching Nick Anderson brick free throws. Maybe a lil of the Wizard, Walt Williams with the high socks. I grew up going to games watching ‘The Real Rock’ and they always sucked, so this is kind of of what we do haha. All I know is the Warriors had like 1 playoff appearance in 20 years and then became one of the greatest teams of all time…that’s not going to happen here but we might make the playoffs once in 20 years.
The moment of when to click bail provides a new opportunity it feels with each decade, year or month. I dont judge anyone who spares themselves absolving their connection to this team. Or scoffing at those who suggests optimism.
That said this loosing streak is personally a positive sign in entirety considering the context. Suggesting that in itself should demonstrate how mentally taxing this franchise has been in my logic. A fact that places me intellectualizing utter failure as a plus. Regardless I am, and don’t take this as my moment to jump ship under a new regime. A group im sure learning the ways to coerce an erratic owner’s desires.
The lack of willingness for Walton to play our youth is frustrating. And the deadline deals annoying. But trying to assure top 5 pick status is likely the most consequential way to use 16 games. Something despite our playoff decisions at the deadline, very viable. This streak I suspect is doing a lot in convincing Waltons firing with very obvious evidence of incompetence.
Again those opportunities might lead to more disappointments. In that regard the point of judgement is always available when it comes to this franchise. That said a better pick and Walton’s firing are more plausible on the back of this terrible run than not. In my opinion chances more consequential and necessary than playoff births. When fighting decision makers who often deny the obvious I find solace in the present woes. Come summer I might change my tune, but this team is benefitting longterm in loosing games. That fact demonstrates the ruination of this franchise in ways frankly incomparable league wide. I still think it’s likely for the best.
I might be in the minority, but I feel like I can at least see the light at the end of the tunnel. Fox is a mega star. The players McNair has targeted (Haliburton, Derrick Jones Jr, Divincenzo, Collins, Wright, Davis, Woodard, Ramsey, Bey, Damian Jones) are all the right players to target. He didn’t trade Holmes, so that at least gives me the impression he wants to keep him. Even giving Luke the opportunity to sink or swim feels like the right move. The Kings will still get a good player in the draft, and McNair comes off as a GM that will give his coach a fair shot. That goes a long way in the coaching community. There will always be the Vivek cloud hanging over this team, but I’m as optimistic as I can be overall with the direction of the team.
This is closer to what I was getting at and absolutely said more succinctly.
War & Peace was said more succinctly.
War & Peace wasn’t as important.
I appreciate the honesty of this article. One thing I’ve been thinking about this year is the role of the fans in the arena. Their absence is noticeable. For many games, the arena is the entertainment. That’s partly why college basketball is so much fun to watch. So many great arenas. I went to a game at Cole Field House once. Otherwise nothing in my experience compares to Harmon Arena (ask Gary Payton about it). Without the atmosphere, do you even watch basketball at all? And why?
Yea man. I saw Len Bias play while my big sis was at MD. Got some black and white photos somewhere of that old roof.
So we all admit that they are a TERRIBLE team, but then we get upset when they lose?
Just going out on a limb here………but could it be that the players aren’t very good (or as good as we think they are or want them to be)?
Fox is a top 10 PG, but still not top 5.
Hield might be the worst shooting guard in the league.
Bagley is bottom third as starting forwards go.
Barnes is in the top 10-15 of small forwards.
Holmes might be in the top 10-15 of centers (he puts up some nice numbers, but consistently gets dominated in games by bigger, stronger centers).
Halliburton is going to be good, but is still a rookie.
If the bench players can’t start ahead of those above then that should tell you all you need to know.
We lose to the Lakers without LeBron/KD, because their remaining players still have more talent than our starters.
This is going to take years to fix the mess that the previous admins have created.
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