Marvin Bagley rejoined the Sacramento Kings in Phoenix yesterday, but it doesn't sound like he'll join the team on the floor anytime soon. In his pregame media availability, Luke Walton explained that Bagley is back with the team but "not close to being ready to play". Walton also said that Bagley is still wearing a splint on his injured hand.
"He's back with the team, but he's not close to being ready to play." -Luke Walton on Marvin Bagley
— James Ham (@James_HamNBA) April 16, 2021
Kings coach Luke Walton says Marvin Bagley is wearing a splint on his hand. No clear picture on when he'll be ready to return
— Sean Cunningham (@SeanCunningham) April 16, 2021
With Bagley still wearing a splint and not yet able to fully practice, it seems questionable whether Bagley will play again this season. The Kings have 16 games remaining, with their last game scheduled for one month from today.
Beyond the challenge of being cleared for full contact, Bagley would have little time to practice with the team, and would still need to get his conditioning back.
If Bagley doesn't play again this season, he will have appeared in just 112 of 236 possible games for the Kings, or 47.5%.
The Kings have yet to provide an official update on Bagley's status other than what Walton shared. The last update was four weeks ago, and set a timetable of four weeks before the next update.
It’s been that way since training camp his rookie year.
Yep, pretty much unfortunately…
Hopefully during his time being injured he has been working on strength and conditioning. He can do many things to improve lower body strength, core, etc. that don’t involve his left hand. He should also be working to improve his right hand as much as possible.
My assumption is that he is just going through the lotions amd not trying to get better at basketball, as history has shown us since he was drafted. Time to cut bait and move on. Let him be someone else’s problem
Going through “the lotions”
Never has the old saw about what happens when you assume been more on the nose.
It’s fine. Bags is applying reinforced-glass-lotion
Third movie was incredibly disappointing.
Haven’t watch it yet. Maybe during Kangz broadcast ð
It’s about the same as losing your 10th game in a row.
Wait? There’s a second one?
Technically, if you’ve seen the trailer for Glass, I didn’t spoil the existence of the second movie!
Nah, like Vlade said, we just need a few more years to see he was the best player of the draft.
has played his last game as a king maybe?
Well I’m certainly glad he decided to grace the team with his presence.
I was wondering if you could offer a single concrete reason as to why he should have been with the team while he was doing the harder part of rehab on his hand.
And please don’t start up with team unity/camaraderie crap, since as has been said here over and over, he’s a lockerroom cancer because he won’t publicly denounce his own father.
Would think you could rehab a hand and still be with your teammates. But I’m sure they all know the season is over now anyway.
Metu was with the team during the entire time he was out, including road trips. I would see him in the huddle at timeouts, learning and paying attention. This would also mean, I assume, that he was at practice sessions and walkthroughs before games. Those kinds of actions speak volumes.
The initial part of healing from a broken bone is just waiting and keeping it protected. That’s hardly the hard part of his rehab.
Also, to answer your question, I think it would be valuable for Marvin to be in film sessions.
Is there some reason he couldn’t have done that at the team facilities in Sacramento? Is there some information that suggests that he didn’t watch film while he was away?
It’s the idea that watching game film with a staff of coaches is likely to be more educational than him watching it by himself
He has Coach Bagley tho
He wasn’t in Sacramento, he was in Arizona.
But the camaraderie has been so good since he’s been gone, Andy! Everything’s fixed!
Can’t argue with that, they’ve been a well-oiled machine in his absence.
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it fits a pattern that he just doesn’t want to be a part of this team.
I’m actually kind of curious if you believe that Marvin was asked by his employer to remain with the team during his rehab, and he defied the request. Suppositions like this are very definitely part of a pattern.
I think he doesn’t want to play for the Kings. I also think he prefers to not interact with everyone if he doesn’t have to. I’m not going to answer your questions and go through that whole andy rigamarole. If you disagree great! I don’t care. But you’re not going to do your typical angry prosecutor shtick on this one with me.
I agree with you. I don’t think Bagley wants to be around, and I’ll go so far as saying I think he requested a trade.
Funny how certain types of people get labeled as angry when they ask questions. Admittedly, that’s an easier thing to do than address the topic.
I was wondering if you could offer a single concrete reason as to why he shouldn’t have been with the team while he was doing the harder part of rehab on his hand.
Having watched this franchise for years, I feel pretty secure that someone in the Kings org would have gotten this info to the local media (that Bagley was staying home in contrast to the team’s wishes).
Not forcing the issue also doesn’t mean the team was happy about it.
Happy about what? I don’t want to go full Andy here, but it feels like we’ve made most of this story out of wholecloth.
I mean, this is Jason Anderson in the Bee, just over two weeks ago:
What would you leak to the press if you had an asset you didn’t want to further devalue but can’t actually control? I would leak something like the above quote.
I’m pretty sure the team learned at the trade deadline that Bagley doesn’t have much value on the market. At least, not enough value that it made sense to deal him (versus rehab him and get him back on the floor).
I guess I don’t see how Bagley can be “further devalued” at this point.
Dunno, you could be right – but this feels a bit like the Bagley-dislike here run amok.
you are definitely right about his value at the trade deadline. I was just looking at it from the perspective of his off the court value. No arguing his on court value or ability to stay on the court didn’t merit enough in trade. But if he was additionally a malcontent or difficult to coach or not doing things the team asked, those sort of things could also make him harder to trade imo. Not that I can prove the team asked him to be with them before now or anything, it’s just that statement wreaks of PR CYA to me.
Fair enough. I don’t see why he needed to be away from the team, and not even in Sacramento for a month for a broken bone, and I don’t know why they would agree to it. It seems very suspect for a guy who can’t even answer a question about his future with the team. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it didn’t happen that way.
I guess I just don’t get the angst in general – I may be misremembering, but I don’t ever recall caring much whether a player was traveling with the team when they are out with an injury.
It’s because it’s Bagley. His dad has been harassing the team for years, and demanded Marvin be traded, and Marvin wouldn’t address it. Marvin was asked about seeing his future with the team and he dodged the question. The team tried to trade him at the deadline, and now he’s disappeared for a month with an injury, for what might be no good reason, which looks like more evidence of a guy who doesn’t want to be here. That may be all wrong, but Marvin certainly isn’t refuting any of it.
I don’t fault Marvin for his dad any more than I fault Lonzo or LaMelo for their dad – by all accounts, Marvin has worked hard this year and has shown some improvement on the court (prior to the injury of course).
Now, I do believe he’d be happy to move on at this point, but that just makes him a smart human being.
And I’m not sure he needs to offer an answer to a question that hasn’t actually been asked of him.
Careful! you’re going to collect a lot of red thumbs saying things opposed to he accepted narrative.
I’m admittedly chuckling at the idea of there being a “harder part” of rehab on his hand.
Ridiculous. Most injured players are with the team for some or all rehab. Embid. Davis. LeBron. The list goes on and on.
Marvin not being Thera isn’t a good thing.
Being a volcanic island would definitely lower his market value.
I’m pretty sure he’s two years away from being two years away.
Caboclo’d!!!
Speaking of which, where’s that basketballrehab commenter. I think he went by freecaboclo.
That’s nice but I wish he had addressed the injury.
Do you really want Luke Farking Walton to delve into medical diagnoses? The only injury he’s had in his life was a bad case of towel-wave elbow.
look up
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What is interesting about that, is if he felt he needed to be away from the team to “recover” but now return to the while being “not close to being ready to play,” then what has changed? Did he cross some magical threshold of recovery that allows him to be with the team?
I’ll say this, the guy was obviously on the trade block at the deadline, which was after his injury. Could it be the Kings just told him to stay home until he could be moved (which didn’t happen) or did he chose to remove himself from the Kings for feeling unwanted? Maybe he is only back with the team now to avoid anymore smoke and not damage his reputation in the league? I’m thinking his agent is at play in the move to return to team…all my speculation.
Seems like keeping him home during a pandemic is kind of smart.
They didn’t do that with Metu, and I believe LeBron is still with the Lakers. I won’t argue it’s not smart, but I would guess that teams aren’t in general keeping injured players home.
Speculative common sense. I like.
The most simple explanation is usually correct, and IMHO, it’s that he was feeling “checked out” after almost getting traded, and so he went home.
Haha, what a load of shit. Are you under the impression that professional athletes can unilaterally decide to wander away from team activities whenever they please? I would imagine standard contracts contain clauses dealing with such eventualities, and the consequences would range all the way up to the team being able to void the contract for being absent without permission.
Also, if you have any insight as to why Barnes, Hield, and Holmes haven’t “checked out” after being shopped around before the deadline, that might help me understand your theory. I’m also of a mind to think that the deal McNair offered to Detroit for Bey doesn’t rise to the level of “almost getting traded.” I’d not gotten the impression that there had been serious consideration or additional negotiation from the Pistons.
From the perspective of the player, is there a difference between “almost being traded” and the team trying to trade you?
Maybe they have something Marvin doesn’t.
To be fair, Marvin Bagley is with the team right now, and Richaun Holmes is not.
That’s a fair point though a hamstring injury is not the same as a broken hand (wrist?) in terms of travel.
If Richaun’s expected to only miss a few games, we’re talking about a mild strain, most likely. And the rest is precautionary – the rehab shouldn’t be difficult to do on the road.
Regardless, I just don’t think we have enough info to really know what’s going on here.
Agree that we don’t have enough info. But it’s also reasonable to believe the medical staff doesn’t want Holmes walking around on a gimpy hamstring a bunch right now, even if it’s mild.
It may also be that the team has taken the position that injured players don’t travel due to Covid, except that they didn’t do that with Metu.
James Harden did exactly that with Houston.
…I guess the conclusion we’ve all come to is that Bagley was away from the team watching a strip show with Harden.
Pretty sure he would ask permission from the team first (duh), and it would be granted. I figure the Kings wouldn’t care (b/c he’s basically a sunk cost at this point and the distracting Ghost of Luka follows him everywhere in G1C) and Marvin would save some face. You’re free to disagree with this hot-hot take, of course, and I suppose you’re free to drop as many obscenities as you wish, as well.
God bless you, fuckface, I appreciate your permission.
To be fair, has he ever been ready to play an NBA game, really? NBA-ready typically involves dribbling with both hands and understanding the basics of man-to-man defense.
No Bagley makes the team and all teammates happier, isn’t it ?
(Then why he come back, as he just cannot play and is still injured)
They have seemed absolutely ecstatic during this nine-game losing streak.
Considering the team has a better record with Bagley in the lineup this season, hopefully he can get back soon to make that run at the play-in game!
In related news, Walton is “not close to being ready to coach.”
When Whiteside fouled out, he put in HB instead of Metu to check Ayton and immediately got punished for it. I can guarantee the GM and owner are watching this and thinking WTF. Fluke is thinking I moved HB down one spot maybe he won’t notice if I move him down one more.
Overall this was a very competitive well played game on the second of a back-to-back, minus Holmes minus Jones. We showed the talent disparity between us and the #2 seed is not the wide chasm you may think. If we had their coach, we’d be 5-10 games over .500.
Even Buddy, the typical party crasher whenever we try to do anything, played a good game after his 0-4 1st quarter, he did pretty good things, the hot streak was a rare sight to see.
At 8-15 FGs I am curious how games this makes it Buddy has made half his shots?
It is 12 in 55 games or about 25%. 3 out of 4 games, our alleged #2 scorer is mostly ineffecient. Sad! In 2018-19, Buddy made half his shots in 39 games, almost 50%.
It is important Buddy be kept off the ball in the 4th quarter, to dissuade his hero ball inclinations and this happened, so to the extent we were able to try to steal the win, this helped.
I perused the comments and noted not one nod or shout out to the outstanding game by Delon Wright. This guy is a keeper and his new hairstyle is looking pretty fresh!
Ty was only credited with two steals after 6 steals in the previous game, but I feel like he should have got credit for at least 3 steals, and he should play more than 23 minutes vs 25 minute from Moe Sparkless! Granted Harkless, did a pretty good job trying to make it hard on Booker to get his points.
Delon Wright was also a great spark plug, a real steal for us! I am impressed with this guy, he knows how to play. And it goes to show the number of unadulterated bums that have passed through SAC as back-up guards that this guy stands head and shoulders above names you would rather forget.
Take for example, Aaron Afallo. That guy was terrible. Or George Hill, who had twice the contract of Wright. Or Joseph outside of his revenge game. The havoc and calamity that Vlade brought onto franchise outside of passing on Luka is monumental. He could have had Brandon Ingram and more from the LAL (Julius Randle?) for Cousins instead of the crap deal he agreed to.
Ingram is averaging 24 PPG on 59% TS% but Vlade preferred Buddy!
On Bagley, the coach is signaling don’t expect him to play this year. He only turned out because his Mommy and Daddy and rap studio are in PHX so it was an easy commute for him. His choice of outfit was not becoming, a sloppy oversized sweatsuit with gaudy print. Is it so hard to put on a nice sports coat and nice (unripped) jeans for the team reunion and probable farewell? I think his choice of attire says it all, he doesn’t think much of SAC so he wore to the game what he rolled out of bed with.
The countdown is on until McGenius cuts out two cancers: Badly and Fluke, I am ready!!!!!!
Seriously?
I don’t really read any of that, but agree that’s a silly criticism.
someone still reads those, confirmed.
Save your time and brain cells Rik, just scroll on by
Is that you, Aileen?
Guaranteed, whoever is coaching the Kings next year is going to take his shot at Redeeming Marvin Bagley. Maybe it will work. The Kings could really use the player Vlade Divac thought he was drafting, or just an above average athletic big.
There’s no real reason not to. He’s under contract, and if he’s not making the kind of difference he needs to make, he’ll be on the market in 14 months. At this point, he’s a low-risk reclamation project, which would be much easier to take if not for his draft position.
Marvin Senior will tell the Kings when his son is ready ! Nothing new !
When I saw the number of comments I knew the majority would be castigating Bagley. I have concluded it’s bull shit. He didn’t choose to be picked before LD. He didn’t choose to have these injuries. He didn’t choose to have his dad say maybe a half dozen idiotic things, one this year that I have heard of, the trade request. He is as good as he is, he has worked hard when not injured, and his game has shown progress. I agree he is probably a sunk cost at this point. I don’t hear about people ripping on JJJ in Memphis and he hasn’t played a minute this year, and his counting stats are similar. I don’t understand the motivation for ridiculing him and assuming the negative about him staying home. How does that offer anything meaningful? Criticize his right hand all you want, but the character assassination is unwarranted IMHO.
HIs BBIQ is still very poor and as low as Buddy Hield, we need some high BBIQ player to help this team to win….(Bagley is not one of those)
High BBIQ players on this roster: Barnes, Tyrese….
That’s a fair criticism. Perhaps better coaching could help with this, perhaps not. Some of BBIQ is innate and some is teachable.
BBIQ, sure, fine. That has what to do with his “outrageous” likely team-sanctioned absence while rehabilitating?
There are so many legitimate criticisms that can be made about Marvin Bagley, but for reasons of which I’m unaware, there’s still some burning need to also create fictional ones. Do you ever pause to wonder why?
We have an evolutionary trait called negative cognitive bias. It is adaptive to a point in that it helps us detect threats in our environment. it also fuels trolling on the Internet.
I appreciate the opinion but I don’t think there’s much of a comparison between Bagley and Jaren Jackson Jr. I’ll take your word that some stats may be similar, but the eye test tells me I’d much rather see/have Jaren in my team. I would think 9.5 out of 10 scouts would take Jaren over Bagley.
Thank you for your response. I don’t disagree. My point was about people ripping on him about his injuries, when JJJ is out because of an injury and is not getting trashed over it. MBIII may be too injury prone to stay in the league, but I am not qualified to make that assessment. I recall Brandon Roy being a great player, better than MBIII for sure, and he was limited by injuries, as was Oden. People weren’t blaming them and accusing them over it.
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