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Draft Grade Roundup: Here’s what analysts had to say about the Sacramento Kings draft picks

The Kings... did well? In a draft?

The 2020 NBA Draft has finally come and gone with a result in Sacramento that nobody saw coming: Tyrese Haliburton is a King. Haliburton had been projected as a rock solid top-10 (and in some places, top-5) pick for several months, but an unpredictable draft day slide saw Tyrese sitting there, available, when the Kings made their selection at 12. For Monte McNair, it was a no-brainer, and if NBA Draft analysts are correct, a big win for the Kings.

After several miniature 2nd round trades, Sacramento also walked away from the draft with Mississippi State star Robert Woodard at #40, and promising Texas Tech guard Jahmi'us Ramsey at #43.

Admittedly, draft day grades are pretty silly. How do you properly grade a pick before the player has ever set foot on an NBA court? The answer is you can't, but people do it anyway, and I read them every year, so let's just agree that the exercise is dumb and get right to it. Here's what NBA draft analysts had to say about the Kings' haul on draft night.

Kevin Pelton - ESPN

Grade: A
Analysis:

"I liked the way the Kings let the draft come to them under new GM Monte McNair, something Sacramento hasn't often done in the past. The Kings were there to stop Tyrese Haliburton's unexpected slide at No. 12 and landed a pair of second-rounders below where they were projected in our mock draft: 3-and-D wing Robert Woodard II with the 40th pick (after trading down from No. 35) and high-scoring Texas Tech guard Jahmi'us Ramsey at No. 43."

Read more from ESPN on the NBA Draft here

Dan Devine - The Ringer

Grade: Winner
Analysis:

"Nobody would’ve batted an eye if Haliburton went in the top six; instead, the Kings, for once, reap the benefits of other teams potentially overthinking their lottery selections. (Landing Robert Woodard II and Jah’mius Ramsey, a pair of potential two-way contributors, with mid-second-round picks is a nice haul, too.) If that’s not worth a respectful, muted, masked, and socially distanced celebration, then I don’t know what is..."

Read more from Dan Devine on the Sacramento Kings pick here

Jonathan Tjarks - The Ringer

Grade: A
Analysis:

"Haliburton makes a lot of sense for a new front office led by GM Monte McNair, who came over from Daryl Morey’s front office in Houston. He’s the perfect analytical selection—an uber-efficient scorer who never takes bad shots or turns the ball over, and who also racks up defensive stats. He doesn’t need to take a lot of shots to impact the game, which should make him a great fit next to De’Aaron Fox and Buddy Hield. Haliburton will need to continue putting weight on his frame, but he should still be able to immediately improve the Kings. He once played AAU ball in Wisconsin with Tyler Herro, and could end up as a similar steal in the late lottery."

Read Jonathan Tjarks' full draft grades on The Ringer here

Colin-Ward Henninger and Kyle Boone - CBS Sports

Grade: A
Analysis:

"Monte McNair's first draft with the Kings was a rousing success, and it started by snatching up a falling Haliburton, who was ranked sixth in the CBS Sports Prospect Rankings. Sacramento followed that up with Woodard, a tremendous defensive wing prospect, and Ramsey, a straight bucket-getter and knock-down 3-point shooter. This was a great start for the new regime in Sacramento."

You can read full draft day grades on CBS Sports here

John Hollinger - The Athletic

Grade: No grade given.
Analysis:

"Not even the Kangz could Kangz this one. Haliburton was far and away the most talented player left on the board, and I really don’t understand how he fell this far. A good shooter and passer, he can play backup point guard behind DeAaron Fox and then move to shooting guard when Fox is in the game."

You can read more draft day analysis from John Hollinger and Sam Vecenie at The Athletic here

Across the board, national analysts were uncharacteristically high on what the Sacramento Kings were able to do in the 2020 NBA Draft, but in reality, we won't find out if they're right for a couple of years. What say you? How would you grade Monte McNair's first performance in the NBA draft for the Kings?

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Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago

Definitely a great draft night for the Kings. Could be the best in the Vivek era. Now I’m excited to see what comes next.

ATL is up to something. They drafted a big and just signed another one to a 2-way deal. They now have Capela, Dedmon, Collins and Okogwu. Someone has to be on the move. Could they be the team who threw the Bogi deal off?

eddie41
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Interesting. If I were a Hawks fan, I’d like a Collins / Okongwu frontcourt, but I hear they’re dangling Collins in trade offers. Same agent as Bagley, Giles, Barnes by the way.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

I’d be kinda surprised if they didn’t at least give the Collins/Capela font court a half season to see how it goes.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Capela’s contract is roughly in line with what Bogi’s contract will likely look like. That said, I have a tough time seeing them move Capela and rely on the others if their plan is to win more now.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago

I’ll add that Bogi for Capela does seem like a pretty natural swap for both sides. Roughly the same age, similar contracts, similar impact (though in very different ways). Each team dealing from positions of depth (especially after the draft). It seems like one of those “just makes sense” moves to me. The same way a WCS for Oubre swap did a couple years ago.

furious.d
14 days ago

But why would ATL give back starting talent when they can just sign Bogi outright with their $50mil of cap space?

Dedmon is washed, so their only playable bigs are Capela and Collins, which leaves plenty of minutes to bring along the rookie(s).

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BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  furious.d

Oh, I agree. I see plenty of reasons ATL wouldn’t do that. The clearest course of action to me is to see how Collins/Capela work together and let OO heal and develop slowly. Especially if they’re determined to win more games in the short term. They don’t really have a reason to need to move Capela.
As for why they wouldn’t just pay him, well, I presume they wouldn’t want to intentionally overpay to the degree that the Kings wouldn’t match. If I were the Kings, I’d be ready to match most reasonable offers.

Greg
Admin
14 days ago
Reply to  furious.d

S&T for Hawks only makes sense if they use their cap space for other signings first and then complete the deal for Bogi after.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Greg

Or they would rather give up an asset of some sort to get Bogi on a lesser deal than they would have to give him to let the Kings just let him walk.

14 days ago

Bogi would be a great compliment to Trae as it could help relieve some of the pressure for him on court.

ajon_es
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Just a heads up that Dedmon got scooped by Detroit. One less big in ATL…

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  ajon_es

I just saw that. That frees up their frontcourt.

Murf
14 days ago

One does wonder, had Vlade still been running the draft, who would have they drafted?

aplumley
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

Would have traded all four picks to move up two spots and select Vit Krejci

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

To answer your question, here’s a repost from another thread:

Alternative Universe Sacramento Kings 2020 Draft Night
Wherein Kings GM Vlade Divac, who received a 3-year contract extension, does the following:

  • With Tyrese Haliburton available at number 12, Kings GM Vlade Divac trades the #12 pick to the Dallas Mavericks in return for their number 18 selection and former King Justin Jackson. (Dallas selects Tyrese Haliburton with the #12 pick.)
  • At number 18, Kings GM Vlade Divac selects Jahmi’us Ramsey.
  • With the number 35 pick, Kings GM Vlade Divac trades the pick for $500,000 in cash considerations to the L*s *ngeles L*kers.
  • With the number 52 pick, Kings GM Vlade Divac says “pass”.
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Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

One wonders? There was a Serbian center taken with the 17th pick.

Vlade would have taken him, then talked about how he was forced to do so since other teams were really high on the kid.

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I can’t find the bigger version of this GIF.

Also, what happened to Carl? Haven’t seen his likeness around here in a while. Is he trapped in Punxutawney snowstorm/time discontinuum or something?
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Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

He could be off on his annual golf excursion with the Dalai Lama.

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I thought he’d already finished that and was on his way to shoot a Suntory Whiskey commercial in Japan?

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14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

He had some repair work down at the marina.

sonny
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

Wish we had a better “firing” two seasons ago.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  sonny

Hiring McNair much sooner would’ve put the Kings in a much better position right now.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

Just figure out the big college, athletic former top HS prospect. Preferably a big, but in this case Cole Anthony might fit the mold best.

Hobby916
14 days ago

Vernon Carey Jr.??? oh man, that would have been a tough pick to hear from Adam Silver

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

Oh, yeah, didn’t think of him. Isaiah Stewart might also fit, though UW isn’t quite “prestige” enough.

RORDOG
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

he would’ve been so disappointed he wasn’t able to do his annual March Madness scouting trip.

Did I ever tell you all how my mom met Vlade scouting Zach Collins in Vegas during the WCC conference finals? My family is kind of a WCC/Big West basketball family (me and dad went to Cal Poly, mom went to St. Mary’s, sister went to Fresno State, brother went to Davis, and we have floor seats at UOP). Anyways, my mom was just like just “ran into Vlade at The Orleans. I think he was there to watch Collins, but he didn’t do so hot.”

I always wondered if that was why Vlade decided to trade Collins to the Blazers. He only played 7 minutes, and racked up as many fouls (4) as points. That just seems like such a Vlade move to watch one game, and decide against drafting a guy

RobHessing
14 days ago

First, I am thrilled with the haul from last night. I had Haliburton and Woodard projected higher than where the Kings got them, so using that small measuring device it looks like a good night.

That said, the Kings have not fared well in the past when catching falling knives (Thomas Robinson, who many “experts” had going at #2 when the Kings got him at #5 – and Ben McLemore, who was considered a top 3 pick by many before he fell to the Kings at #7).

Make no mistake, I would have taken Hali last night at #12, even over my personal favorite Kira Lewis. But I also remind myself that this was seen as a particularly uninspiring top of the draft, and that star players at #12 – even in strong draft years – are few and far between. Here’s hoping that the Kings landed a core rotation player in Hali, with anything above that being the kind of gravy that this organization desperately needs.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I think the “falling knife” worry is mitigated for me by just how different a prospect Haliburton is than McLemore or Robinson. Both of those guys were “raw, high upside athletes.” Whereas Haliburton is a high BBIQ, high skill guy.

TheFifthMookie
14 days ago

is it a ‘low athleticism’ concern or something like that?

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  TheFifthMookie

For whom? Haliburton definitely isn’t low athleticism. He isn’t elite certainly, but he’s at least average.

TitleChaser
14 days ago
Reply to  TheFifthMookie

The concern seems to be that he’s a not huge scorer— he has a low scoring average per 40 compared to most superstars, so says our illustrious SPTSJUNKIE. So there are worries that while he may be a great passer, he doesn’t have the ball-handling creativity or perhaps desire to single-handedly dominate the other team. As such, he might be more of a perfect complimentary star at best— like Toni Kukoc, Joe Dumars, or Khris Middleton. Still, I’d be estatic if we get that.

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BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  TitleChaser

Yeah, he isn’t a ball-dominant self-creator. Which is a positive to me. But it’s a negative if you’re looking for a superstar to build your team around. That said, I think some more work on his handles, strength, and a slightly more looking for his own shot and he may surprise people. Right now, he’s got a bit of Giles in him where he’s looks to pass first.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago

On a tangent, I think work on his handles may also be the key to Woodward’s ultimate ceiling.

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago

Agreed

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  TitleChaser

He’s legit ambidextrous, and throws great passes with either hand. I’d expect see his skill set as it relates to scoring continue to improve over time. He’s a smart kid with a great work ethic, so it all seems doable.

Can’t believe we got him without trading up.

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

“I believe the word you were searching for is ‘AMPHIBIOUS’.”
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andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

I stand erected.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

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SierraSpartan
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

#TKHAfterDark

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago
Reply to  TitleChaser

Thank you. And Bingo – I think you nailed it. I think a lot of top lottery teams want to gamble on a superstar. If a few years, Haliburton will almost certainly be better than several players drafted ahead of him, but most of those GMs probably realize that and are probably ok taking that risk in order to take a player like Edwards, Ball, or Okoro with the 10-20% chance of being a true star player.

Additionally, a couple might have had several players in the same draft tier and went with need. For Washington and Phoenix – if they are going to compete and try to win now, their backcourts are full.

They will regret that if they passed on BPA. But it’s perfectly logical they might have had Avdija and Smith in the same tier and preferred a player at a position they felt they needed (though I am skeptical that Ayton and Smith can really play together).

Murf
14 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

Its an interesting angle isn’t it, do you pick the kid with the big upside who might become a star or do pick the kid who in time might end up being a solid starter/rotation player?

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago
Reply to  Murf

I think some is personal to each GM. Hammond and Weltman in Orlando almost always go for the former. Arguably, Vlade did a lot as well in his own weird way.

But I do think there is some logic to top lottery teams who are typically bad and need star talent should take bigger swings. As you get to better teams trying to build around stars and build an asset base, then I think it becomes a bit more of a risk-reward calculation.

As in, I wouldn’t always play it safe or risky, but I’d start to look even closer on what I thought the probability of success was or floor v. ceiling and the draft pick and try to find a good combination of risk versus reward.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

That Smith pick definitely gets the side-eye from me. I just don’t see him ever being more than 10-15 minute back-up for them.

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago

Yeah, I do like Smith and think he carves out a role in the NBA. I just see him as a pretty pure center, so I don’t really understand the fit with Phoenix.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

I think he carves out a role, but not a particularly impactful one. Phoenix is an especially poor fit, but I think on any good team Smith is unlikely to be more than a 10-15 minute, situational stretch big.

Bbmuteman
14 days ago
Reply to  TheFifthMookie

I think people were scared off his shooting mechanics with the low release. Looking at what suns fans were saying, they think he’s only going to have a set shot that limits his offensive potential.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Bbmuteman

He definitely didn’t use it much, but you can find instances of pull-ups. And his release on pull-ups is much higher and he still has nice touch on it. I think he just has to get more comfortable getting to it (handles) and going to it (slight shift in mentality).

extra
14 days ago

I watched a bunch of highlight reels last night looking for the reason he fell and the main culprit has to be the set shot because his court vision and passing skills scream elite potential. However, as you suggest, he appears to have two distinct shot mechanics for perimeter shots. He only uses the set shot for open threes. But be also has a higher release jumper that shows up here and there in the film on more contested shots.

That said, I think a couple of other factors contributed to his fall. One, the season was cut short last year so there’s the sample size issue. This, in general, made this draft difficult for evaluating any of the talent. And two, Iowa wasn’t very good last year and that likely hurts Haliburton’s stock a bit.

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BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  extra

For some reason, I also get the impression people see him as an older prospect. I don’t really have any way to support that. Just the impression I get in reading people’s assessments of him.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Sounds a little bit like Lonzo Ball when he came into the league. And he’s really started to develop that shot (at volume).

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Very different issues with their shots. Lonzo’s form basically precluded him from ever being able to develop a pull up. Or even shoot off movement. Haliburton’s isn’t so bad. He just has a low release from distance and is a bit two-handed. Ball has had to significantly rebuild his shot. Haliburton should just some adjustments.

Otis
14 days ago

From what I’ve read, the change wasn’t super drastic for Ball – just making some adjustments so he wasn’t starting his shooting motion with the ball on the left side of his head.

Regardless, Ball was a 40%+ shooter in college, and Haliburton was even better. I’m not super concerned about that aspect of his game.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

It’s more about the shot diversity. Ball shot well in college, but they were all with time and space. He still has trouble getting to his shot against any kind of defense. What he has improved is simplifying/shortening his shot and elevating his release. So now he doesn’t need as much space. But he still can’t really shoot off movement or off the dribble.

eddie41
14 days ago

Kevin Martin shot an unorthodox 3, but it oooh how nice when it swished.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

He did. But it wasn’t unorthodox in a way that limited his ability to it and get it off when defended. That was the issue with Ball’s. With time and space all that really matters is repeatability and success. It’s when you want to shoot off movement or pull-ups that specific form becomes an issue.

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

And frankly, even if you feel Ball is disappointing given his hype or injuries – he’s been an impactful player so far.

If we basically landed a Lonzo Ball clone with the 12th pick in the draft – that would be a fantastic win.

If it wasn’t for the Fox “rivalry” or the face he was on the [redacted], there’d probably be better feelings about Ball here.

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago

I’d also note that “we” as in the Sacramento Kings have been 0-2 on the “falling knives” the last few years. However, this is hardly a universal analysis (and we don’t even have the same GM).

However, other past falling knives include:

Paul Pierce (due to concerns about athleticism)
Rashard Lewis
Kobe Bryant (refusing to try out for lottery teams)
Gilbert Arenas
Michael Porter (due to injury)
Whiteside (some are for a reason)

And I am sure there are many more. It’s kind of hard to define what constitutes a falling knife especially as you get further back. Some players are projected lottery talents early, but fall well before draft day.

In some cases, we are narrowly defining someone who “fell” 1-2 spots and that was predicted. Take Thomas Robinson – analysts said he “could go” as high as 2. However, prior to the draft most felt the Bobcats were locked-in on MKG and had Beal going 3. Most called it a 4 player draft up top, so there was an assumption the Cavs would take Robinson, but they reached for Waiters who was a late riser.

So was Robinson really a falling knife or did he drop one spot lower than projected? By that definition, Cousins would be a falling knife, as he was projected to go 4th before Khan and the Wolves reached for Wes Johnson. But as we just watched the Bulls get cute and draft Patrick Williams – that type of slightly different evaluation by FOs compared to analysts is pretty normal.

And even if we had a clearer definition of what constituted a falling knife – there’s not an obvious negative pattern I can see. Just like all draft prospects, some turn out well and others don’t.

But in some cases some very strong players fell for silly reasons and I hope Haliburton is among them.

Milkman
14 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

Didn’t Harrison Barnes fall (man, where did he go)?

AmateurNerd
14 days ago

Correct. The difference is that Haliburton actually knows how to play basketball, and ThRob and McL didn’t.

TitleChaser
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I know you’re right to temper expectations and mention risks, but still…

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RobHessing
14 days ago
Reply to  TitleChaser

Yeah I probably should have led with something like:

First, I am thrilled with the haul from last night.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

That’ll teach ya.

ohioplayrs
14 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

The “experts” didn’t see see Donovan Mitchell (13th) either.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  ohioplayrs

It’s almost like it’s an inexact science.

RobHessing
14 days ago
Reply to  ohioplayrs

Absolutely. Or Kawhi or Paul George or Danny Granger or so many others. See, this is why

I am thrilled with the haul from last night.

Looking at this through the lens of Kings history, the Kings have not won the draft often. That is, it has been the rare occasion that they have drafted better than their 1st round draft slot, and it becomes even more rare when you only consider lottery picks.

So the hope is that the Monte McNair front office is turning the page, and I share that hope. Hell, just making the conventional pick is a huge step forward for this organization.

As previously noted, I’m thrilled. But let me ask you, if you had to put money on Haliburton, would you bet:
All-Star
Solid rotational player
Fringe rotational player
Break glass in case of emergency player

I’d bet solid rotational player, and even that has some hope attached to it. You?

Kosta
14 days ago

Kosta – Kings Herald forum commenter
Grade: A
Analysis:

“I’m happy that we had a qualified GM making the selections.”

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AirmaxPG
14 days ago

Said it before in a previous thread, but I’d give the Kings a solid B+. Kinda the same how I felt after the 2017 draft (which, if I recall correctly the experts raved about for the Kings). I’m excited for Haliburton, but really wish we would have kept Tillman.

Overall it’s a rare good day to be a Kings fan.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

I think there is some reason the Kings didn’t go after a big and Atlanta has a bunch of them. That’s my theory and I’m sticking it to it.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Yeah, as with everything, it’s hard to make a final judgement until we see how the rest of the offseason vision plays out.

14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

i hope you’re right but If that was the case, why didn’t they pull the trigger already?
I guess it could be because they wanted to see who’s there at 12 but if thats the case, why would Atlanta draft a player they don’t need without a deal already in place?
I definitely think Atlanta is up to something. I just don’t think it has to do with the kings. Unless of course, It involves Bogi and not buddy. In that case it makes sense cuz of the sign and trade.

Timmy_13
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I like this theory. Getting a John Collins for Bogi would be a steal.

FutureSecondRounder
14 days ago

I’m thrilled with the haul. It’s also the day after the draft and the eve of Free Agency: the Kings brim with potential!

Separately, Windhorst was on ESPN last night saying that the Bogi fiasco is a smokescreen to avoid a tampering charge, and Bogi has spoke with Giannis + wants to be a Buck. What are the betting odds around here? Is the Bogi nix a ruse to avoid a reprimand?

Kosta
14 days ago

Monty Monte was playing LET’S MAKE A DEAL last night and it was a good show.

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Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago

Whoa!

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

This might be the most entertaining week of NBA news ever. I kinda want all offseason acquisition windows squeezed entirely into a 1-2 week period from here on out.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago

Westbrook to NY is going to be the icing on the cake for the week.

14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Westbrick to the New York Knicks. Hey, that rhymes so it can happen.

Bbmuteman
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

That team had 6 power forwards? They still need to get rid of one or two more.

TheKingsGuard
14 days ago

Logical selections and no head scratching moves. That’s what I want from my front office. Nice first draft and first step forward.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
14 days ago

Fuck, it’s an achilles tear for Klay. He’s out for the season. That beyond sucks. I feel so bad for him.

MichaelMack
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

That’s such awful news, Klay is a good guy, and just as a fan of the NBA, it would have been fun to see Klay, Steph, and Draymond run it back another time with seeing how Wiggins and Wiseman fit in, even just to see them at full strength to see how they took on the Lakers.

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Bbmuteman
14 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Horrible news. Where was that reported? I haven’t seen it on espn yet.

Peja
14 days ago
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Woj tweeted the info

Bbmuteman
14 days ago
Reply to  Peja

Dang. Woj bomb all fans could have done without.

NeedTreeFitty
14 days ago

I’m not giving a grade but I was excited to see us draft the consensus best prospect available for once. McNair also gets kudos in my book for flipping two 2nds for two future 2nds while still landing two prospects the media considered first round talent.

ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  NeedTreeFitty

it’s impressive.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

Yup. This seems like the best draft for the Kings in a long time.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  NeedTreeFitty

I’ve seen mixed reviews of Ramsey & not everyone considers him a 1st round talent. However, Haliburton & Woodard were definitely steals.

NextTimeGadget
14 days ago

Im not going to speak to grades because I agree they’re also silly. The Kings’ process last night was incredibly sound, and was a significant step I’m sure towards building the fans trust in this FO after previous regimes. They went BPA at 12, which is ironically also a pretty decent fit given his high BBIQ potential to be a combo guard next to fox or a lead guard off the bench. Woodard and Ramsey also better great value and continued the trend of getting sound, smart basketball players who play good defense and/or take good shots. Bring on free agency!

andy_sims
14 days ago

I was briefly put off when we traded away Tillman, but Woodward is a steal, too, and we snagged an extra pick in the ’22 double draft.

Could be if the Bogi S&T goes to Atlanta, we get back one of their bigs, even Okogwu would be a solid return. They’ve got him, Collins, and Capela, and there’s some skill overlap that could be exploited.

Whatever happens, the Kings are in a good spot as far as what they can do next.

Bbmuteman
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

I’d be calling every hour to see what they want for collins.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  Bbmuteman

The natural option might be Bagley. Collins is sort of the more developed but slightly lower upside version of Bagley. So they’d kinda be reseting the team control clock on that position/type.

That said, I’m not entirely thrilled with the idea of Collins. Someone is going to pay him WAY too much after this season. I’m not sure I want the Kings to be that team.

Hobby916
14 days ago

I think I am excited to see Haliburton getting passes to Bagley for easy dunks, lobs, lay-ins? I am not sure how to actually feel about that. Weird feelings this week regarding the Kings.

richie88
14 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

Having another playmaker to help Bagley’s development is definitely beneficial IMO (esp. since it seems like the Kings will lose BB8).

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MichaelMack
14 days ago

If the Bogi sign & trade does go through, I think it would be fun to watch a backcourt of Fox-Buddy-Hali-DD develop. As Hali and DD develop over the next season or two, Buddy would be an easy veteran to unload for whatever the team’s current needs is as his deal declines.

I am just as excited for Woodard, he seems like he has plenty of potential to become a productive role player with his physicality, motor, and intelligence.

Atlanta’s roster is interesting. If I were them, I certainly would want to see if Capela-Collins works, I like both players. They are young and unproven at wing though, with Reddish-Hunter-Hueter. Could a Bogi-Holmes-Bjelica for Capela-Hueter trade work, with Holmes and Dedmon eating minutes as Okogwu develops? Interesting options still on the table for both teams.

RORDOG
14 days ago

I’m really digging that McNair appreciates “contribution to winning” archetype. He seems to prefer guys that are in that Shane Battier mold. The stats don’t really jump off the page for players like Haliburton and DiVincenzo, but they always help in ways that don’t always show up in the stat sheet. Obviously, circumstances dictated that these types of players became available (maybe temporarily in DD’s case), but it’s still good to know they value stuff other than “20 & 10” type counting stats.

Otis
14 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I suspect those guys are especially valuable, when they can be played off a superstar. That’s always going to be the real struggle here, regardless of who the GM is.

RORDOG
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Yeah I mean that’s the hard part. With McNair, I at least feel somewhat confident he’s planning on being in a position to obtain a superstar if the right one were to become available.

I also really think Haliburton is the type of player that will help maximize Fox’s value. Fox is at his best when he’s aggressively getting his own shots. Haliburton can come in and kinda do the other stuff to make sure the offense is a more well oiled machine when the ball is not in Fox’s hands. I don’t know if that elevates Fox’s contribution to star status, but I think it helps.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

He’s also the type of guy that can fit with pretty much any other “star” if the Kings decide to go a different direction on Fox. It’s one of the great things about multi-position, versatile guys. They don’t limit the type of other players you can go after.

ForKingsandCountry
14 days ago

I’m just excited about the fact that we actually took a multi-position versatile play maker. We haven’t had one around here (with the possible exception being Bogi) in quite awhile.

richie88
14 days ago

I’d definitely call BB8 a versatile (on offense) playmaker. I’m not sure if I’d call him multi-position though.

SPTSJUNKIE
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I think that’s true and will be a potential wall for us at some point. But I think we have seen teams like the Raptors and Celtics get really far and on the precipice with guys like Lowry, IT, Horford, and Tatum as their best players.

Now it Tatum’s case, he may continue to ascent to true superstar status. But I think Fox could certainly reach the level of at least Lowry and IT if he keeps developing. That gets your pretty far.

And then the question is do you peak there or can you make a move via trade, FA, or draft luck to get over the top. Houston traded for Harden. Raptors traded for / rented Leonard. Shoot, even the Pistons traded for Rasheed Wallace to put their flatter team over the top (though I still contend Ben Wallace was a different type of superstar).

That will be McNair’s challenge. But it gets easier if we can play well and build up the value of our players and make star players see this as an environment they could play in.

ArcoThunder
14 days ago
Reply to  Otis

the good part about players like these is that they are very tradable if and when that day comes. they are also the types of players that big time all star free agents want to play with. SMART role players.

pretty cool.

andy_sims
14 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

That’s really on point. When I was seeing some of his interviews last night, and collecting information about his game, Battier was the guy who leapt to mind. Good player, probably not a star, hella smart, works on defense, makes his teammates better, on and on.

You can’t get a title exclusively with guys like this, but you sure as hell want to have a couple of them around.

BestHyperboleEver
14 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Yeah, like I say elsewhere, ensuring those guys are versatile, team players, that also provides flexibility in the kinds of other players you go after. If the best player you can acquire is a SF, you just slide Battier to SG or PF. With Haliburton, if you have a chance to acquire a star PG or SG or even a playmaking SF, he can adjust. SGA falls into the same category to me. Want to acquire PG? You can play him as a SG or even SF at times. Want to acquire a SG? You can run SGA at the point.

NoceOne
14 days ago

I am not sure what is happening here. Is this…hope? Could this be…optimism?

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  NoceOne

A New Hope

(pictured: Kings 3 draft selections)
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Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

And no, that’s not Matina back there.

Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

3 rookies, 1 wookie.

ZillersCat
14 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

Are the dark days behind us? We almost had Tillman!!
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Kosta
14 days ago
Reply to  ZillersCat

With the new front office, the Kings are no longer making headscratching moves!
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RORDOG
14 days ago

Jonathan Givony is on Zach Lowe’s pod saying the reason Haliburton fell is because he was telling teams in the top 10 he didn’t want to play for them, and he preferred to play in Sacramento, saying “a lot of this was by design.” Going as far to say his agent was saying “don’t take my guy,” and his thinking was “let me sacrifice 7 or 8 million dollars because I think it’s going to work out for me long term in Sacramento.”

Apparently, Dallas was also trying to trade up to #8 to draft him, and he could have gone as high as #6, but he didn’t want to play in Atlanta.

Givony and Lowe were just like is this bizarro world?

Sacramento must’ve done a decent job of selling Haliburton on his fit next to Fox (and possibly Buddy). It seems pretty clear Haliburton’s agent engineered the falling knife situation to come here. It’s crazy because his agent isn’t like Haliburton’s cousin or whatever. It’s Aaron Mintz at CAA.

Hobby916
14 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Bizarro world indeed. Fox was excited to play here, so maybe a trend is starting?

Otis