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Trade News: Kings acquire Jonas Valanciunas for Sidy Cissoko, two second round picks

The Kings re-routed Cissoko to add some size.
By | 196 Comments | Feb 5, 2025

Apr 19, 2024; New Orleans, Louisiana, USA; New Orleans Pelicans center Jonas Valanciunas (17) hugs Sacramento Kings forward Domantas Sabonis (10) after time expires during a play-in game of the 2024 NBA playoffs at Smoothie King Center. Mandatory Credit: Stephen Lew-USA TODAY Sports

The Sacramento Kings are completing a trade to acquire Jonas Valanciunas from the Washington Wizards, according to multiple reports. Marc Stein was the first to break the news, with multiple outlets confirming. The Kings will send newly-acquired Sidy Cissoko and two second round picks to the Wizards, and will use part of their Mid-Level Exception to balance the salaries. The move uses some of the cap space the Kings created in the De’Aaron Fox deal, and the Kings will end up around $2.5 million under the luxury tax line.

Personally, I am really excited about this trade. Jonas brings size, toughness, and reliability to the Kings bench. Alex Len has been rough this season, and Jonas is a big upgrade as a backup center. He’s a backup you can trust to play regular rotation minutes behind Sabonis, to potentially play alongside Sabonis at times, and you could feel ok about starting Jonas if Sabonis ever had to miss a game. Sabonis and Jonas are also close friends, and have experience playing together with the Lithuanian national team.

I do feel a little bad for Sidy Cissoko, who had just finished speaking with Kings media in his introductory press conference when this news broke. Cissoko will not have a chance to challenge JT’s record.

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February 5, 2025 2:22 pm

This is very yummy.

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February 5, 2025 2:23 pm

Great! Now find a way to get Portis from the Bucks!

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February 5, 2025 2:26 pm

I wanted a look at Cissoko so this is a little disappointing to me. But at least now I won’t have to stay awake at night wondering what the Kings are going to do in non-Sabonis minutes.

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February 5, 2025 2:28 pm
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Lyles also really struggled when playing the 5 against larger centers. Len wasn’t much better. Hopefully J-Val will be able to contribute 20ish minutes and give The Ox a break.

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February 5, 2025 3:12 pm
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Yeah, the Kings addressed a big need with this trade. I’d imagine many teams could offer two second rounders. Including Sidy probably got the deal done.

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February 6, 2025 3:26 pm
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Well, they could claim him off waivers.

The Wizards have waived Sidy Cissoko after acquiring him from the Kings.

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February 5, 2025 2:26 pm

$2.5m under the tax line. Does that mean that they are done with moves for now? Vivek won’t pay that tax.

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February 5, 2025 2:28 pm
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Look at the roster. Essentially no contracts left to trade unless you’re moving Monk or DDR.

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February 5, 2025 2:30 pm
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Lyles? If they moved Lyles and Colby/Doug for Portis, that should fit..?

Probably just going to make Isaac Jones a standard contract and get a vet minimum that won’t count towards the cap (I think that’s how it works.

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February 5, 2025 3:31 pm
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I like Issac. I think he will be a positive roll player. Just give him some minutes.

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February 5, 2025 3:19 pm
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I think we can still sign someone off the waiver wire for next to nothing. Torrey Craig comes to mind if we want to go full Bulls!

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February 5, 2025 3:23 pm
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I had thought about him, but he may be washed in a Jae Crowder kind of way. He “was” the kind of wing the Kings currently lack, a respectable 3 and D wing off the bench.

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February 5, 2025 3:32 pm
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Sorry no Torrey.
(and Nay to Jae as well)

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sac upgraded Isaac Jones to contract, and gave their remaining TWC to Boogie Ellis who can PG.

I don’t know if that can happen or if they need to sign Boogie to a 10 day (or series of 10 days)

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February 5, 2025 3:42 pm

Last time I looked, Boogie wasn’t exactly lighting it up in Stockton—certainly not to the extent you’d want to give him a two-way.

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February 5, 2025 6:45 pm
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David Stockton?

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February 5, 2025 3:32 pm
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Yeah, he only played 113 minutes for the Bulls this season, but the numbers look decent. Lavine should be able to provide good insight.

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February 5, 2025 2:29 pm
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Came to ask a similar question:
If the Kings used part of the MLE to balance the salaries, does this mean they can still spend the unused portion?

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February 5, 2025 2:31 pm
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They are still hard capped at the first apron, of which they are around $6M below, but technically they could spend into the tax.

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February 5, 2025 3:15 pm
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Greg,

Can the team use the Lavine trade exception and stay below the hard cap in pursuit of a 4? I feel certain it is a nuanced answer with the CBA.

The owners may not want to go above the hard cap? If they did does that eliminate the League “profit sharing’?

Thanks.

HJP

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February 5, 2025 3:15 pm
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Agreed, there’s just any real reason to. It’s just and extra $4M of usable money that may come with penalties if they go into the tax next season. Keep that powder dry at this point.

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February 5, 2025 6:47 pm
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Peruse the buy out market next week. Find a cheap deal or 2 that way.

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February 5, 2025 2:29 pm
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They still have to add one more rostered player to get to 14. That $2.5M can fit a vet minimum deal or contract for Isaac Jones. I’d still prefer a legit 3/4 wing.

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February 5, 2025 2:30 pm
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John Salmons…

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February 5, 2025 3:39 pm
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I know he is hurt right now but what about Shaddiq Bey?

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February 5, 2025 3:45 pm
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Is he supposed to come back this season? He’d be the ideal kind of guy this team needs off the bench, but now sure how to fit his contract.

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February 5, 2025 4:49 pm
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As of what I know I read he isn’t far away from returning.Even if its more time you could get him cheaper now that like this summer when he has completely heeled. At one time Monte was pretty high on him.

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February 5, 2025 2:26 pm

Put them in the game together and let them shout insults at the refs in Lithuanian and then both smile.

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February 5, 2025 2:32 pm
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Let’s add Sarunas to the coaching staff while we’re at it.

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February 5, 2025 3:00 pm
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the Maryland Terrapin Sarunas actually IS a coach.

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February 5, 2025 2:34 pm
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Lithuanian Bash Bros

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February 5, 2025 2:35 pm

Couldn’t have said it better myself

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February 5, 2025 2:36 pm

Comment of the year candidate.

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February 5, 2025 2:37 pm
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Very nove comment.

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February 5, 2025 3:05 pm
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Ha.

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February 5, 2025 2:36 pm

I ain’t reading all that.

I’m happy for you though.

or sorry that happened.

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February 5, 2025 2:36 pm

Can you give us a tl;dr for this?

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February 5, 2025 2:42 pm
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Gordon Bombay got a DUI and took his anger out on youth hockey teams from around the world.

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February 5, 2025 2:37 pm

Is that a Lithuanian insult?

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February 5, 2025 4:49 pm

Lithuanian Battery.

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February 6, 2025 6:41 am

It’s fitting now that the A’s are in Sac. Someone photoshop their heads onto that Canseco and McGwire poster from 1989 please. Shit… maybe I’ll do it. I want this T-shirt

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February 5, 2025 2:28 pm

This is already a win solely on the virtue of the Warriors or Lakers were supposed to get him and we ruined their chances.

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February 5, 2025 2:31 pm

But the Dubs are getting KD!

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February 5, 2025 2:33 pm
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No, Butler now!

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February 5, 2025 2:34 pm
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From what internet rumors I’ve read, KD doesn’t want to go back to playing with Green, so now the Warriors are considering trading him. Imagine that! What a trade deadline week it’s been!

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February 5, 2025 3:08 pm

That would be amazing. There is absolutely no way Draymond gels with any other team.

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February 5, 2025 3:11 pm

Not even his own (Golden State – see KD, Poole, etc.)

I still am holding out for the implied (and perhaps actual) drama a Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green locker room could bring.

Butler said he wouldn’t sign an extension with Golden State so it’s unlikely.

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February 5, 2025 6:48 pm

Hes such an a-hole

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February 5, 2025 3:14 pm
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KD wants no part of GS

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February 5, 2025 3:33 pm
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Why? Is it because Draymond called KD a “bitch” 50 times in a row, told him to leave the team, and had to be restrained by the level-headed DeMarcus Cousins? And then Steve Kerr retreated into then nearest bush? Come on, KD–get over it.

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February 5, 2025 4:35 pm
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wimp

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February 6, 2025 7:46 am
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Just want to say that this is poetry. Lol

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February 5, 2025 2:31 pm

Excellent point.

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February 5, 2025 2:32 pm

That’s not an understatement at all. Lakers really wanted him.

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February 5, 2025 2:37 pm

Props for calling it earlier my man

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February 5, 2025 2:41 pm

Do I dare ruin my Nostradumbass streak with another prediction?

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February 5, 2025 2:45 pm

Shoot your shot!

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February 5, 2025 2:46 pm

Do it in short form though

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February 5, 2025 2:58 pm
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Sometimes ya gotta drop the chili to spill the beans

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February 5, 2025 3:00 pm

This reads like a Texas fortune cookie, and that’s a compliment.

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February 5, 2025 3:01 pm

Warriors trade Green for Durant.

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February 5, 2025 2:30 pm

He is a very reliable scorer, almost underrated, and definitely willing to wrassel anyone underneath. Best enforcer since Brad Miller? Perhaps.

He is not a rim protector, but he does do one thing that I think gets overlooked when determining defensive value: Dominate the defensive boards to close the possession.

3rd in Def Reb %, & Domas is #2.

6th in overall Reb rate.

Can’t win without the ball.

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February 5, 2025 3:07 pm
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Sac just played the Wizards with Valanciunas chiming in with a 23 minute, 23 point/12 rebound/3 assist game against Domas. The dude CAN play.

I happened to catch the Houston/Knick game at The Garden on Monday night ESPN. Sengun was injured and out – they played Stephen Adams who likewise has been used sparingly and has slowed down a half step or so – and he was doggone good. I see JV the same way.

Saavy vet still with some gas in the tank with a Heavy Duty motor that doesn’t purr, it rattles a bit, but the torque is worthy of respect.

Lithunian Lasagna with a side of Lithuanian Rib Roast.

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February 5, 2025 3:16 pm

Kings lost to NOP 6 times last year and Jonas was the starting center. Among many other things, he did a good job neutralizing DS

Like most all of us, I would have preferred a sound wing but this is a good Plan B without the loss of any player (sorry Sidy)
He sets a solid screen, knows how to play, is one tougher MF and does not take shit. Scores a little bit.
Might not have the foot speed to play tough man on man defense but that’s why god created the zone and the NBA allowed it.

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February 5, 2025 3:39 pm
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that’s why god created the zone and the NBA allowed it.

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(Amen)

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February 5, 2025 3:48 pm

Two other quick notes:

JV is a pretty effective roller in the PNR, which we know Monk excels in, and he should have some synergy with DeMar from their previous play together, as well as Zach being extremely productive with that play call as well, so I think those non-Sabonis minutes are likely to be way more productive than before.

Having JV will allow Trey to just play PF, which should ease the burden on Keegan quite a bit. Keegan plays so much four when Trey is at the five, he should be able to both get a few more minutes rest, and play SF more.

I wonder what other moves are still out there. I wonder if there is a way to sneak Moody away from the Warriors for Charlotte’s first, or that and another 2nd. Trading Len for future draft capital that is never realized gets the team awfully close to being able to fit Moody under the tax line.

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February 5, 2025 4:20 pm
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Moody has always seemed completely undervalued by the Warriors organization and at the same time impossible to trade for. Would love him on this roster as the backup 3.

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February 5, 2025 2:31 pm

Nice. He can atone for his dirty foul on Metu by helping us beat (and hopefully sweep) the Pelicans.

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February 5, 2025 2:31 pm

Did this just become a team with length?

I keep reading the Kings lacked length.

they traded 6’7, 6’3 and mayyyybe 6’0 for 6’5 and 6’11

also, there’s still an open roster spot, right?

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February 5, 2025 2:33 pm
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Two open roster spots!

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February 5, 2025 2:32 pm

Demar has a buddy. Domas has a friend. Are we getting Keegan’s bro next?

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February 5, 2025 2:33 pm
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The way Portland’s charged into the picture, they could almost turn into buyers before tomorrow.

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February 5, 2025 2:35 pm

Why do they hate Cooper Flagg so much up there?

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February 5, 2025 2:42 pm
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The Northwest can only handle one famous Cooper at a time, and that will forever be DB’s domain.

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February 5, 2025 2:44 pm

Boss comment.

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February 5, 2025 2:58 pm

Yakima native Cooper Kupp in shambles.

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February 5, 2025 3:18 pm

DB is still wandering in the woods looking for a place to use his cash.

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February 5, 2025 2:34 pm
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I say go for it. All in the family.

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February 5, 2025 2:50 pm
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not a bad idea

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February 5, 2025 2:36 pm

I was KANGZly optimistic about Sidy, but other than that it’s a really solid move. Jonas has been a good big man for a long time and we’ll finally have someone who can bang inside and get boards without Domas needing to do it 40+ minutes a night hopefully. Definitely a huge upgrade over Len, and can play with Trey in the 2nd unit and I’d imagine a handful of minutes with Domas.

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February 5, 2025 2:43 pm
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I hope they at least took Sidy to In N Out on the way to the airport going to DC.

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February 5, 2025 2:51 pm

They do have Five Guys in the DC area. Big debate over which burger is better (I’m more In-N-Out despite living in DC area). Heated enough debate it could start another War of Brothers.

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February 5, 2025 3:08 pm
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I lived in California my first 24 years of life and have been around the country a bit the past 10 years. In my opinion, and I could have just been in the road starving, but my favorite burger is a place called Brauns. I’ve only had them in Oklahoma a couple times but man they are great. In N Out will always be delicious to me though, but it’s definitely not the end all be all that people make it.

Animal fries on the other hand can’t be topped

I support this message

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February 5, 2025 6:52 pm
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At that price point it is.

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February 5, 2025 6:52 pm
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Dudes five guys is overpriced and average.

In N Out is a bargain and delicious.

No contest.

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February 6, 2025 6:51 am

Shake shack

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February 5, 2025 3:44 pm

Looks like the Kings returned their order of Wings.

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February 5, 2025 2:39 pm

Jonas Brothers jokes incoming..

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February 5, 2025 2:42 pm

Jonas has nice valued contract as well. He’s locked up for next year, which is convenient as Len and Lyles are UFAs. He’s then got a non guaranteed deal for his third year, much like DDR. Those could become valuable trade items.

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February 5, 2025 3:19 pm
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I really like that this is a move not just to help the team for a few months this season. It feels like great value to also get one or two full seasons out of him at this minimal cost and on a reasonable contract.

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February 5, 2025 3:28 pm
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What’s cool is Jonas is slated to make next year what the Kings currently pay Lyles and Len combined. Jonas could very well do the work of both of them at the same cost, should both Len and Lyles leave in UFA this summer.

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February 5, 2025 3:31 pm
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I think an underrated aspect of the Fox trade is that it opened up some options for the Kings that just weren’t there before. Not saying it was some genius masterstroke of a trade, but I think it was smart in that way and we’re seeing that the outcome of that deal is far from settled (and not just in the sense that there’s a pick in the 2030s to come from it, the thought of which still just blows my mind).

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February 5, 2025 3:56 pm
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Honestly, it was a move I saw coming last year and was advocating for once it was clear Fox wasn’t re-signing here. In my opinion, Monte made the obvious move and didn’t screw the pooch at all.

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February 5, 2025 4:30 pm
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I’m pretty impressed with the deals, honestly.

The worst part about Lavine was his contract. But if you’re moving a contract like Fox and intend to keep him on the team in the medium term, then its totally palatable. Not only is he playing great basketball, but I suspect in 1.5 seasons he might even be a valuable trade asset as either a win now player for a contender or as matching salary in a deal for another star.

Similarly, Valanciunas is a guy that helps us win in the medium term and can also become a trade asset. These are just solid moves parlaying impending commitments to the salary cap (Fox extension, another year of Huerter) into flexible deals. All while remaining competitive. And they got a solid set of picks back, too!

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February 5, 2025 2:42 pm

The front office making a move to improve the team by addressing a need.

I think I’m going to faint.

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February 5, 2025 2:44 pm

I’d like to think that I spoke this into fruition a couple of weeks ago in the comment sections after the Wizards matchup. Soooooo happy it’s JV and not Kuzma coming to Sacramento.

Two things I immediately love:

  • Built in chemistry already with Demar and Domas
  • A competent backup center so we don’t run Domas into the ground

Truly love this move.

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February 5, 2025 3:00 pm
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Completely agree, and like Adam pointed out, a good value for his salary, and a very fungible contract as well, in case other opportunities come up this summer or next season. Contracts are the new cap space with this CBA.

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February 5, 2025 2:54 pm

Right now, it’s something like:

Monk / Carter
LaVine / Ellis
DeRozan / McDermott (but also LaVine)
Keegan / Lyles / Jones
Domas / Valanciunas / Len

That’s a roster I can get behind. What a difference from a week ago.

Solid defense out of Keegan, Ellis, and Carter. Serious rebounding from the C position. Iso shooters, playmakers, perimeter shooters.

Bring on the final 33 games! 2.5 behind 6th. LTFB, muthafuckas!

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February 5, 2025 4:44 pm
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McDermott stands out like a sore thumb in that rotation. But some combination of Lavine, Ellis, and Keegan should be fine for now in that backup 3 spot.

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February 5, 2025 4:46 pm
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My thoughts exactly. I sure hope Christie doesn’t feel the need to give him any significant minutes now that the roster is more balanced.

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February 5, 2025 2:56 pm

Nove one Monte!

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February 5, 2025 2:56 pm

Backup center problems solved

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February 5, 2025 2:59 pm

NOVE!

Team Lithuania West

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February 5, 2025 3:01 pm

We finally added some size to this roster. FINALLY. LITHUANIA!~!!!!

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February 5, 2025 3:06 pm

I’m pumped. Jonas gives them a lot of options they did not have. They can match size without needing to put Len out there. They can give Domas more rest without falling off a cliff. They can play them together, they can both hit open 3s.

Also, they were able to keep Lyles which I think is underrated and gave up no firsts.

Great trade.

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February 5, 2025 3:09 pm
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Spot on re Lyles. He can play the 4/3 as his focus now.

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February 5, 2025 3:30 pm
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And Alex Len can resume his position as a 3rd string 5, not first off the bench.

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February 5, 2025 6:56 pm

Sometimes you need 6 fouls

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February 5, 2025 3:08 pm

That’s two new players who know how to play with players already on the team. Definitely seems like a good thing! Now all we need is a backup PG?

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February 5, 2025 3:10 pm
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In my opinion, we’re set there. Granted, they don’t have a lot of playmaking in Ellis or Carter at the moment, but with Domas, they probably don’t need those guys to do much more than bring the ball up the floor.

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February 5, 2025 3:52 pm
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I don’t think we need one. Keon Ellis played point guard at Alabama. More playing time.

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February 5, 2025 4:03 pm
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I don’t love Keon’s handle, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised with Monk’s willingness to distribute at times.

I do agree that long-term, I’d like to see a pass-first PG on the roster. But as BTS notes, having Sabonis makes that less of a need then it would be otherwise.

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February 5, 2025 4:07 pm
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Zach has spent some time at PG, and DeMar can be a bit of a hub as well. While I agree that the team needs another PG, I think there are enough playmakers to make that less urgent.

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February 5, 2025 4:08 pm
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Maybe Domas and Jonas can overlap some minutes with Jonas at Center and Domas can play some Point Forward.

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February 5, 2025 3:12 pm

<sung to Seven Nation Army>
Joh Nas Val An See Ooonas
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February 5, 2025 3:12 pm

Excellent. A wing would be nice but I can live with this going forward.

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February 5, 2025 3:14 pm

If the Kings can Somehow bring PJ Washington, it will be an insane upgrade

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February 5, 2025 3:53 pm
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I would rather have Camara.

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February 5, 2025 3:19 pm

They have played quite a bit together for their national team.

There is a belief in Sacramento that, not only will Valanciunas be a great backup for Domantas Sabonis, but that both will be effective on the floor together at times.Especially with Sabonis shooting 47% this season.

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February 5, 2025 3:59 pm
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What is this bluesky site people keep linking to?

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February 5, 2025 4:05 pm
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Twitter/X alternative. It’s essentially open source, so while BlueSky is a company, the tech behind it can’t be controlled by a single person / corporation.

Do a Google search for ‘fediverse’ if you’re interested in going down the rabbit hole…

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February 5, 2025 4:28 pm
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Thank you… I will burrow in!

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February 5, 2025 5:03 pm
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It’s liberal Twitter

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February 5, 2025 5:33 pm
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I prefer “non batshit crazy/nasty X.”

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February 5, 2025 4:50 pm
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Basically what Twitter used to be before it turned into X. Some of the NBA guys are on there, which is nice. So I can still get breaking news regarding the Kings/NBA.

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February 5, 2025 3:22 pm

So this makes the ultimate deal for Fox:

  • Zach LaVine
  • Jonas Valanciunas
  • 2 First round picks (2027 and 2031)
  • 3 Second round picks (since the Charlotte 1st will ultimately become two 2nd’s.

What do y’all think about that return?

Looked at through the lens of this second deal, I actually really like it.

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February 5, 2025 3:23 pm
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Fair

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February 5, 2025 3:27 pm
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Normally I’d say you need to look at each deal in isolation, but since it appears the Kings essentially used only pieces from the Fox trade to acquire Valanciunas, I think it makes sense to look at them both in combination.

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February 5, 2025 3:29 pm
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February 5, 2025 4:32 pm
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I’d say that it’s meh at best, but I don’t think they could’ve gotten a better deal.

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February 5, 2025 5:31 pm
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Particularly if the mandate from Vivek was absolutely no way is the team rebuilding or anything like it. So it’s good to get some long-term future assets on top of good “win now” value.

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February 5, 2025 4:53 pm
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Good return for a player that kneecapped all our leverage before trading him!

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February 5, 2025 4:58 pm
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Let me fix this for you –

Good return for a player front office that kneecapped all our leverage before trading him!

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February 5, 2025 4:57 pm
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It’s the ultimate re-tool trade. I think the path to relevance got a little narrower, but time will tell.

Trade Fox for a better cache of picks and prospects, or –

Trade Fox for a better current player/value.

These trades sit right in between those two options.

I get it. Trade Fox for picks and prospects and you’re probably not the FO for the impending rebuild. Hold out for a better player/value than LaVine and perhaps you walk away empty handed. And I think that LaVine is going to be very well received in Sac. Much in the same way that some slept on Domas, some may be sleeping a bit on LaVine due to his past injuries, which made him into a pretty bad contract. He could turn that around, at least a bit.

Bottom line, these deals probably make the team more watchable down the stretch of this year. I’m not sure that the team has really improved that much overall in the long run, however.

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February 5, 2025 7:02 pm
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The only real silver lining i see from dealing Fox is that you have room to operate with the cap by not dealing with his supermax contract anchoring all manuervarability away.

Otherwise. It was a crappy return on Fox. Worse than my most pessimistic anticipation.

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February 5, 2025 6:11 pm
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With all due respect, it was Fox and Huerter. I’d think they could have received one more 1st or at least get that ’31 swap back.

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February 5, 2025 6:25 pm
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It would have been easier to get another 1st or the pick swap back if they’re planning had not included Huerter in the trade

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February 5, 2025 7:08 pm
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That is a good point and is probably true. I hadn’t thought of it that way but from a salary perspective they had to include Huerter and they wanted to move him anyways which kind of put them in a corner.

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February 5, 2025 3:34 pm

I predict JV and Domas will be playing more than a handful of minutes together with Domas at the 4. Domas is fairly quick for a big and JV passes better than his stats indicate so my only issue there is Domas is going to have to look to score more during those sets.
Levine, JV, and picks for Fox and Huerter doesn’t seem as bad as just Levine and picks for Fox and Huerter. I know I preached patience a week ago but after what seemed like getting fleeced for Fox, I was prepared to go scorched earth on Monte’s ass and eat full crow. I think he’s wiped some of the egg off his face and I’m glad I kept patient. I still don’t love Fox getting what Rich Paul wanted (hope you like the bed you made, there, Fox.) I don’t know that JV solves the issue with our back up / defensive wing issues, but the roster has more all around fire power than it did last week, at least on paper. I don’t think too many teams are going to enjoy getting physical with anymore, that’s for sure. Love it or hate it, I do believe Monte lives to fight another day. Here’s to the Bruise Brothers…
Let’s Go Kings!

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February 5, 2025 3:47 pm
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Feeling the same. What also helped me was looking into LaVine a little more. From Chicago media sources he has improved his defense, passing and overall team play this year. Also, thinking of him replacing Huerter rather than Fox and the plays they ran with him. All of those plays, DHOs, PnR, cuts off the screen and finishing LaVine is elite at. This could be the start of Beam Team 2.0

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February 5, 2025 4:15 pm
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With Christ-ie the Rebeamer at the helm.

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February 5, 2025 3:46 pm

Well, a seasoned pro in the backup 5 spot. Wasn’t sure Monte had it in him. Hopefully still fit for the next two years after this (he’s signed that long and he’s 33 in May). So there are your Kings through ‘27, unless LaVine doesn’t pick up his $49M option. Strap in and let’s see how far they go.

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February 5, 2025 3:56 pm

This should make the 8-man rotation:

LaVineMonkDerozanMurraySabonisEllisJVLylesWith Carter likely getting a handful of minutes as the 9th guy.

I feel like that’s a stronger and more diverse collection of talent, 1-8, than we had last week, at least.

I do wish we had at least one pass-first guard on the roster, though.

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February 5, 2025 4:12 pm
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Yeah, bumped our window up a little by aging upward, but this is a legit 1-8/9. And they still have tradeable pieces along with some draft capital.

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February 5, 2025 3:56 pm

Cidy Sissoko – King for a Day!

I had seen where he picked #91 and was to be the first Kings jersey with that number.

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February 5, 2025 4:01 pm

Jonas and Domaa

Lithuanian Lasagna and Lithuanian Meatloaf

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February 5, 2025 4:02 pm
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I’m sure there’s a better one out there.

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February 5, 2025 4:10 pm
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The Lithium in these Lithuanians will keep going and going and going.

or…

The Lithium in these Lithuanians will keep you Energized.

Dunno….battery references are all I’ve got.

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February 5, 2025 4:27 pm
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This will be a good question for the next podcast episode with Jerry, see if he can come up with a good Jerry-ism for our new frontcourt duo.

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February 5, 2025 5:39 pm

The Lithuanian Leviathans!

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February 5, 2025 4:20 pm

I like this deal. I am a bit troubled that it seems to foreclose our ability to get a 3/4 worth giving minutes. It’s also unfortunate that we have no backup PG: Carter is clearly not ready. Regardless, this is a positive step.

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February 5, 2025 5:46 pm
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My guess is that Lavine will share much of the ball handling duty with Malik. Even just having Zach and DeMar bring the ball up the court is a break for Monk. I also expect Lavine to run a lot of stuff with Domas, leaving Malik open for spot up 3s, which he tends to make at a decent clip.

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February 5, 2025 4:22 pm

OT: De’Aaron debuts with the Spurs, of course Mark Jones is calling, sheesh.

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February 5, 2025 4:29 pm

Seeing him play with Chris Paul is just….wrong. I’m waiting for “First name: De’Aaron, last name: him”.

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February 5, 2025 5:15 pm
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There you go, just right before the half ends lol.

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February 5, 2025 4:25 pm

I was channel surfing and learned there was some kind of football game on this week.

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February 5, 2025 4:43 pm
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I thought football was over and the NFL just gave KC the trophy.

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February 5, 2025 4:41 pm

and guess what position Fox is playing for the Spurs …. as many have suggested on this site …. SHOOTING GUARD next to Chris Paul with Castle off the bench.

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February 5, 2025 4:45 pm

Over in the Trade thread i had made a trade for Steven Adams, not a peep from anybody.

Im feeling pretty good right now.
Sabonis, Jonas, aaaaand Len? Thats pretty damn good right there

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February 5, 2025 5:15 pm

Lavine going tonight? NBA.com has him, suggs and wagner brother “out.”

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February 5, 2025 5:34 pm
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ESPN shows no one on our injury list for tonight

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February 5, 2025 5:16 pm

It’s already very apparent Fox was mailing it in for large parts of this season from watching this spurs hawks game…

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February 5, 2025 5:18 pm
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Yes, I just said the same to my wife. What a fuckhead.

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February 5, 2025 5:42 pm
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Very frustrating

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February 5, 2025 5:27 pm
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I was just reading the comments on this post:

De'Aaron Fox says he texted Spurs players about being excited to play with them and not wanting them to be traded in his move to San Antonio
byu/KingNigelXLII innba

I am feeling less and less goodwill to Fox.

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February 5, 2025 5:41 pm

Yeah I’m not a fan of the way fox has handled this whole thing.

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February 5, 2025 5:43 pm
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Nope. It was All-NBA or leave, and he saw the writing on the wall by December and mailed it in.

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February 5, 2025 5:51 pm

He can go F himself. If he would have put in more effort on a nightly basis, this team would have been much better.

I am of the opinion that he wanted to leave during the summer, and all the “see what direction the team goes with the roster” was an advanced scapegoat if things went sideways.

He got his wish. I hope that team flames out and he is stuck in purgatory for years to come.

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February 5, 2025 8:56 pm

I don’t understand the acrimony towards Fox when this was all the piece of shot owners doing.

Vivek fucked up. Never added what they needed. No stability.

And I don’t see what’s so bad about what Fox said. The Kings did throw him under the bus.

Fuck Vivek. Fox simply wants out of this horseshit org

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February 5, 2025 5:42 pm
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He looked like he didn’t give a crap most of the season. Same as the prior season as well.

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February 5, 2025 5:43 pm
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Yup good point

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February 5, 2025 5:49 pm
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At least he’s settled into a very Fox-like 2 for 7 from three tonight. No other Spur has shot more than 5 and they’re sitting at 32.1% while giving up most of a big lead. Feels familiar except I couldn’t give a shit if the Spurs lose.

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February 5, 2025 8:57 pm
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Conveniently overlooking his 13 assists against only 1 TO, 24 pts., 5 boards & a steal. Meanwhile, back in Sac…

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February 5, 2025 8:59 pm
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Fox was good. The owner fucked up, as usual.

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February 6, 2025 8:51 am
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Haha, Fox was good last night – against an Atlanta team that seemed to play virtually no defense whatsoever. I did cherry pick a specific stat because it almost perfectly mirrored his season. A season where the Kings sit at 23rd in the league in 3 point shooting and De’Aaron insisted on jacking up the second most threes on the team. 13 assists is great for Fox and honestly, I’ll come around to pulling for him, but not right now.

Rob, I generally like and appreciate your analysis. I also think of you as the “I discount your comment on account of small sample size” guy. So I find the “Meanwhile, back in Sac…” comment to be just a little ironic. Are we ignoring small sample sizes or are we using it strategically to make our point while attacking others for doing the same?

I expected the loss against the Magic last night and by no means do I think it’s going to be representative of how the season will end. Orlando has an elite defense. If we had played Atlanta last night, you likely wouldn’t have that card to play at all.

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February 6, 2025 9:39 am
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Fox was great last night, and pivotal to their win, right down to the last play. I just found your take to be an interesting hill to die on.

As it pertains to sample size, all I can say is that the Kings have a gaping hole at the 3-4, so they traded their PG for a…SG! And all while creating a new hole at PG.

Someone smarter than me (and there are many) needs to show me how the path of this org. overtakes the OKCs, HOUs and, yes, SAs of the world. Because I see the Kings looking up at these teams for the next several years.

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February 6, 2025 1:34 pm
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The simple answer is that it doesn’t. This is probably still just a 6th seed at best unless the pieces all really gel and they figure out how to play some defense.

But I don’t think there was any building around Fox that was going to get them there. Nobody is going to hand us a 1a player and we’re not drafting that guy in the near future.

The good news is that the CBA is forcing teams to turn over much more quickly than before. I don’t think having a middling team is quite the eternal death sentence that it used to be.

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February 5, 2025 7:06 pm
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Go look to see who the leading scorer was for all the losses this year, particularly during the losing streak.

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February 5, 2025 8:58 pm
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I do think the plus side of Fox wanting out is correcting the original error of having stars that can’t shoot 3. Bad idea. Unless you surround them w 3 point shooters.

Shoulda kept Hali

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February 5, 2025 5:19 pm

Jimmy traded to Dubs. I am actually very happy.

Warriors flaming out, yes please.

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February 5, 2025 5:24 pm

Draymond and Butler on the same team? Also, yes please. Kerr is going to age 4 years over the last 30+ games of the season.

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February 5, 2025 6:11 pm
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They gave up Wiggs, Schroder, Anderson, and a first to bring in an expensive, aging star that can’t shoot and has a history of crashing out. Dont think it moves the needle for them in the short term, and makes the potential breakup even uglier.

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February 5, 2025 7:18 pm
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Exactly.

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February 5, 2025 5:29 pm

Practices should be televised. Draymond’s punch versus Jimmy “Slaughterhouse Starting Five” Buckets.

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February 5, 2025 5:59 pm

I will thoroughly enjoy watching the Warriors’ inevitable downfall.
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February 5, 2025 6:55 pm

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February 5, 2025 6:56 pm

Sorry, that was supposed to be a string of LMFAO emojis

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February 5, 2025 7:18 pm

Seems Warriors gave a lot for 36yo Butler

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February 5, 2025 6:02 pm

Fox playing well in his debut. He seems more engaged and active this time around. I miss him and I cant help but root for him. He went to a classy organization after all the dysfunction here at Sac. Pop will do wonders for him(tony parker lite. maybe).

But I choose to bleed purple all day long. Light that beam. Our time(for a play in spot lol) is now. Their time will come.

Because you know what, I dont give a fox who’s on the other team – Fox, 2022 postgame vs the clips

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February 5, 2025 6:20 pm

Thumbs up Monte

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February 5, 2025 6:29 pm

I won’t be surprised if a Fox game-winner comes up.

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February 5, 2025 7:05 pm

I’ll say it. Good job Monte!

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February 5, 2025 7:05 pm

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February 6, 2025 10:22 am

Anybody else hate JV for the way he broke Metu’s wrist right when it felt like he was finally turning the corner? Metu was never the same.

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February 6, 2025 12:07 pm

Kings acquiring Jake LaRavia from the Griz. Don’t have any details yet. Heard it in NBA Radio.

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February 6, 2025 12:10 pm

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