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The Kings have officially hired Monte McNair and Joe Dumars

It's official: Monte McNair is the new General Manager, and Joe Dumars is the Chief Strategy Officer.
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The Athletics’ Sam Amick and Shams Charania broke the news on Wednesday, and the Sacramento Kings made it official on Thursday morning: Monte McNair is the new general manager of the Sacramento Kings.

The Kings detailed McNair’s new role with the organization, including quotes from both McNair and Ranadive in the press release:

The Sacramento Kings announced today that the team has hired Monte McNair as General Manager. In this role, McNair will be responsible for all decisions made in the Kings basketball operations department and serve as the team’s top basketball executive reporting to the owner and chairman. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

 

€œMonte is one of the NBA’s top basketball minds who has played an instrumental role in building several winning teams in Houston,€ said Kings Owner and Chairman Vivek Ranadive. €œI am excited to bring his extensive experience and vision onboard to lead our basketball operations department, and it is my pleasure to welcome Monte and his family to Sacramento.€

 

€œI am thrilled to join the Kings organization and honored to shape the franchise’s bright future for the team’s loyal fans,€ said McNair. €œI would like to thank Vivek for this opportunity and look forward to becoming a part of the Sacramento community.

The good news is that the King spelled out McNair’s role clearly: He will operate as the head of basketball operations.

The concerning second shoe to drop after the McNair announcement was the proceeding revelation that Joe Dumars is staying with the Kings in a new long-term role. Dumars will act as the Kings’ Chief Strategy Officer. The Kings also described his role in greater detail via a press release Thursday morning:

The Sacramento Kings announced today that Joe Dumars has been named Chief Strategy Officer. In this new role, he will continue to report to the owner and chairman, and help drive strategy across the organization’s entire portfolio of activities, including business, basketball, new ventures, entertainment and real estate. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

The big detail to note in Dumars’ new position is that he will be reporting to Vivek Ranadive, and not Monte McNair. If Dumars’ role was purely business (it’s at least partly business) this would be less of a concern, but his job description states that he will “help drive strategy across the organization’s entire portfolio” that includes basketball, and if he’s reporting to Ranadive instead of McNair, it’s easy to see where this can go wrong considering Vivek’s history of advisor meddling.

Dumars’ new role also raises questions about the process that landed McNair in Sacramento. Several candidates dropped out well before the decision was made, and we already know that there was confusion about how much power Dumars would have long-term throughout the hiring process. Did his involvement scare candidates away? According to Sam Amick speaking with Carmichael Dave this morning, the answer is yes.

I expect we’ll continue to learn new details about the process, why candidates dropped out, and how much power Dumars and McNair will have in the coming days. For now, the Kings have hired new, experienced basketball ops leadership in Monte McNair, and that’s a great development. Hopefully everyone else stays out of his way.

 

 

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Adamsite
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September 17, 2020 8:39 am

Dumars as “Chief Strategy Officer.” The Kings can’t get out of their own fucking way.

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September 17, 2020 8:47 am
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Vivek found himself his new bride AND new mistress at the same time.

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September 17, 2020 9:22 am
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That threesome thread from the previous article now has a much deeper meaning.

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September 17, 2020 8:51 am
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What is one thing bad thing Dumars has done since he’s been here? He’s basically acted in good faith within his position the entire time.

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September 17, 2020 8:55 am
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See my reply to you above. It has nothing to do with Dumars the person, it’s Dumars the role.

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September 17, 2020 8:58 am
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And? If Monte has the final say, thats all that matters.

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September 17, 2020 9:00 am
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he doesn’t. Dumars answers to Vivek

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September 17, 2020 9:02 am
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For his role, yes. But what does that have to do with making the final basketball decisons? Dumars wont be the one making picks and trades, signing guys, etc..

Vivek never interfered with Vlade’s decisions.

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September 17, 2020 9:05 am
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You don’t actually believe that last sentence, do you?

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September 17, 2020 9:25 am
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Vivek wanted Buddy and Vlade wants Bogi. Wonder who’s idea was it to draft Bagley over Luka.

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September 17, 2020 9:30 am

im pretty sure Bagley was all Vlade. Luka is 100% Vivek type of player

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September 17, 2020 9:34 am
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Then why did Vlade get an extension from Vivek AFTER he picked Bagley?

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September 17, 2020 9:35 am
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Bagely had a good rookie year, and the team was looking up after 39 wins. Not that hard to get why

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September 18, 2020 12:12 pm
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So that gets Vlade an extension but gets the coach fired? Doesn’t make sense.

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September 18, 2020 5:35 pm
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It doesn’t, but the nonsensical moves are what make them the Kangz.

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September 17, 2020 9:46 am
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The team was in a decent place when he got the extension…but most importantly, it was another ex-athlete that Vivek could hang around with.

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September 17, 2020 9:05 am
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Haha, “Vivek never interfered with Vlade’s decisions”.

Remember when Vivek said on the sidelines to Buddy when he was a Pelican that “We are going to get you.” A few months later Vlade traded for Hield.

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September 17, 2020 9:11 am
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Some fans take the talking points as gospel even when they are almost certainly false.

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September 17, 2020 9:27 am
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Well said.

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September 17, 2020 9:32 am
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It is my opinion that if it were up to Vivek, we would have Drafted Luka. So yes, Vlade made 100% of the basketball decisions.

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September 17, 2020 9:37 am
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The fact that there is even a modicum of discussion/confusion over this fortifies the point. And the confusion is set to continue under RanaDumMcNair.

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September 17, 2020 11:53 am
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Vivek definitely played a major role in Vlade’s 1st season (which is when the Philly trade occurred).

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September 18, 2020 10:16 am
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I think Vlade earned his €œcomplete control€ over time. To start it was not that way. Maybe, it’s more accurate to say that Vivek earned his own demotion (Sauce Castillo, Malone firing, Karl, philly trade, demarcus/buddy trade. After so many consecutive nightmarish moves that were mocked in the media and linked to him… he realized €œI suck at this€ and gave complete control to Vlade.

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September 18, 2020 5:43 pm
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I think that’s probably correct. The sad part is that I think Vlade had complete control by the 2018 draft & I think Vivek would’ve probably taken Luka if he was still in control.

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September 17, 2020 1:38 pm
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Funny that Vivek would outright threaten him like that.

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September 17, 2020 9:12 am
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It appears to be how Vivek has the org. chart structured which is where the frustration is. On the basketball operations it would appear that both McNair and Dumars overlap on input to Vivek, but might not report to each other. Thus, one side gets to potentially cut the other out allowing Vivek to meddle should he choose to. The whole “special advisor to the GM” debacle again….for the third time.

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September 17, 2020 9:17 am
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Well put.

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September 17, 2020 9:27 am
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With that kind of org structure I wonder how Vivek became a billionaire.

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September 17, 2020 9:43 am

It’s cut throat. Most billionaires are cut throat.

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September 17, 2020 11:15 am

Vivek is not a billionaire.

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September 17, 2020 1:13 pm

He has never been on any credible Billionaire lists because he isn’t and estimated at about 375 million !

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September 18, 2020 5:46 pm
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Based on an article in The Athletic, it seems like his net worth is roughly $700M.

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September 17, 2020 11:49 am
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The press release said that (among other things) Dumars will devise basketball strategy (whatever that means). It could create a chaotic situation (which has hurt the Kings in the past).

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September 17, 2020 2:34 pm
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“The press release said that (among other things) Dumars will devise basketball strategy (whatever that means).”

Yikes! Not good. 

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September 17, 2020 1:53 pm
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“Vivek never interfered with Vlade’s decisions.”

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September 17, 2020 9:23 am
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Hopefully that happens. If Leaky Luke isn’t gone before the draft then we know who’s really driving this sh*t.

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September 17, 2020 11:44 am

This type of structure is all the latest rage in corporations – particularly in tech and healthcare. It’s called a “Matrix” organization. It’s designed to have people reporting in multiple directions – either one person reporting to multiple bosses, or competing groups reporting to the same boss.

It’s actually DESIGNED to generate friction. The latest consultant-vomit on this is that it “fosters competition amongst teams – generating innovative ideas from confrontation that might not be otherwise produced”.

I work in one of these types of organizations right now, and all I can say is that it instead breeds contempt, backstabbing, political gamesmanship, and total and complete chaos.

Ladies and Gentlemen – your Sacramento Kings! Where the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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September 17, 2020 8:41 am

Vivek’s jock-sniffing continues…

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September 17, 2020 8:42 am

Dumars is on board…

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September 17, 2020 8:44 am

Same Kings bullshit, same Kings bat channel.

Which is unfortunate. The process, not McNair, is the issue here to be clear.

Ay ay ay.

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September 17, 2020 8:52 am
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But the process led to McNair? Who is extremely qualified for the job

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September 17, 2020 9:12 am
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It did.

it also led to the retention of an advisor in charge of basketball strategy that doesn’t report to that qualified person.

this isn’t hard. This all may work out, no one has a crystal ball. But the point is we have seen this movie play out repeatedly with Vivek in charge.

the concern is valid at this point in time. We shall see if it works … this time.

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September 17, 2020 9:34 am
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He’s not “in charge” of basketball stretegy. He’s and advisor on it. The final decision maker is Monte

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September 17, 2020 9:40 am
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I think the question is, how is this any different than Vivek/Mullin/PDA, or Vivek/Dumars/Divac? I mean, even if the organization says that McNair has the final say, given the history of this ownership, can you really take them at their word?

I sure hope for the best, and I am encouraged by the hiring of McNair. But benefit of the doubt went out the window a long time ago for this clown show of an organization.

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September 17, 2020 9:43 am
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The difference I think is that we finally has a Component, respected GM. I have never had a problem with Dumars being involved. He built a championship roster. And he has acted in good faith within his role. I don’t think Dumars is the kind of guy to try and go around Monte, he will be the kind of guy to work with him in a constructive way

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September 17, 2020 9:48 am
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So, they knew that they hired incompetent GMs in the past at the time of the respective hires? With all due respect, McNair is no different today than PDA was the day they hired him – maybe a little more on the resumé, but that’s it, at most.

The “difference” does not eradicate what this organization has done over the past seven years. It’s up to them to prove it, as benefit of the doubt has been exhausted.

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September 17, 2020 3:16 pm
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He played football at Princeton and at least at first glance seems more like someone to work directly with coaches and players rather than dictating from above. This is thin info but he doesn’t seem to be the full-on egghead that PDA was

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September 18, 2020 10:37 am

My investigative research tells me that unlike Pete D, McNair does not have a very punchable face.

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September 17, 2020 9:44 am
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Remember when we were told €œVlade is in charge€ only to be later told €œJoerger wasn’t really Vlade’s hire€ when Vlade scooped up Walton?

good times!

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September 17, 2020 9:49 am
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I think the question is, how is this any different than Vivek/Mullin/PDA, or Vivek/Dumars/Divac?

Its scary how similar that structure is: owner/jock/analytics guy 2.0.

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September 17, 2020 10:53 am
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The answer is inherent to your question. Vivek is the commonality, yes, but the difference is the other two people. Are you saying Mullin/PDA, Vlade/PDA, and/or Dumars/Vlade is the same as Mcnair/Dumars just because of Vivek? I’ll be honest, the potential is there and you and others are correct in thinking such things could happen because obviously it’s happened before. In my opionion maaaaaan, the other side of potential is more likely. Only one of those people is the same in those triumvirates. Of course, Vivek is the owner and, ultimately, he “makes” all the decisions. However, allowing those decisions is probably a better word despite our jaded perspectives that have been forged over decades and influenced by multiple owners. However, if we’re excited about Mcnair, why would we not be excited about Dumars? Mcnair, presumably, signed off on the job knowing Dumars would be the CSO (I actually would venture to guess Mcnair took the job, in part, knowing he could have Dumars as a mentor of sorts, but that’s purely speculative). In my estimation, those two are stronger than any of the aforementioned executives and, to me, that’s why this is different. Time will tell. Vivek is Vivek, yes. Yet, Mcnair and Dumars are on different planets from any FO execs hired previously. I’m excited.

La vie en rose baby, purpler pastures are ahead and my cowbells are ready to let fandom ring.

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September 17, 2020 1:19 pm

Hope you are correct but not likely and no interest in drinking this kool-aid !

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September 17, 2020 2:39 pm
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It’s 2020 bro, the Kings are my source of optimism!

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September 17, 2020 3:06 pm

I agree! I think that Vivek has come to trust Dumars, so he wanted to keep him around. I do see signs of progress here. I think Vivek is viewing Dumars in an executive strategy role more like what Jerry West did when he was with the Warriors. This is different than what West is doing now with the Clippers where he reports to Lawrence Frank.

Dumars made it clear that he is not interested in doing the job of a GM. Time will tell if Vivek can stay out of McNair’s way, but I do not think Dumars’ presence is necessarily a bad thing.

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September 18, 2020 10:41 am

This is all highly accurate.

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September 17, 2020 2:38 pm
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The problem here is, besides the obvious fact that Dumars reports directly to Vivek, is that the game has passed Dumars by. He’s just not someone to rely upon to advise on basketball strategy in 2020 and beyond.

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September 18, 2020 12:14 pm
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I mean, I hope you’re right. But stating it with certainty is pretty silly.

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September 17, 2020 9:19 am
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Having Dumars outside the structure of basketball operations opens the door to tomfoolery in an organization where there has been a steady dose of during the entire Kings playoff drought.

It’s not that it will happen. It’s that it can happen.

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September 17, 2020 8:45 am

I understand the legitimate cause for concerns given what we have seen in the past. And there are some red flags here. But I am going to chose to be optimistic until given a more concrete reason otherwise.

Dumars title does mention basketball strategy, but it also mentions “business, basketball, new ventures, entertainment and real estate” – that’s very broad and could be as simple as Dumars is in a PR / advisor role as someone smart whose been around the game for awhile. Though, fair to point out, how much does he actually know about real estate and new ventures – so could be a red flag.

However, McNair is also not a mediocre candidate where Sacramento was his only opportunity. He is not a big talker a la Brandon Williams who talked his way into Sacramento and is seizing his one chance. He’s a very thoughtful and qualified candidate who like Gupta, would likely have had other opportunities in the future. He’s an Ivy league CS major who has worked his way up in the FO of one of the most successful teams of the last 14 years and who has a fantastic FO tree.

That isn’t to say our opportunity is perfect or has no red flags – almost any lottery team will be offering an imperfect situations. However, I don’t think that McNair would risk his career on an unstable opportunity with a structure that posed significant risk to his ability to conduct his job.

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September 17, 2020 8:54 am
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Everyone is capable of making bad career decisions. But just because Joe Dumars is still here doesn’t make this decision bad. Its up to Monte to build a winner, and he’ll have every opportunity to do that.

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September 17, 2020 1:47 pm
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I think this is a valid and important point. Would McNair have walked from his current role (which by the sounds of things might have been a little uncertain… so there is that) to take a role where he wasn’t going to be in control? I’d think with his resume he would have had a discussion about that, and he is obviously ok with this org chart, or he would not take this job.

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September 17, 2020 2:21 pm

Agreed – if this was some junior candidate, TV analyst, or retread than perhaps they would accept any structure just for the opportunity and money.

However, McNair isn’t in that situation, so I like to believe he wouldn’t step into a poorly structured situation out of desperation.

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September 17, 2020 10:16 pm
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However, I don’t think that McNair would risk his career on an unstable opportunity with a structure that posed significant risk to his ability to conduct his job.

I mean, he did take a job with the Kings.

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September 18, 2020 8:08 am
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The corollary to the old Groucho Marx “I don’t care to belong to any club that would have me as a member.”

As Kings fans, we want a GM with great judgement, so we don’t want any GM who would accept the opportunity to be our GM.

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September 18, 2020 12:18 pm
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I think the basis of your thesis is incorrect – if McNair doesn’t work out here, I’m not sure it’s a career ruiner. It wasn’t for Malone, won’t be for Joerger, wasn’t even for Pete D.

I don’t doubt McNair is optimistic that this isn’t the “same old Kings”, but I don’t think anyone will know that for sure until we’re a few seasons in.

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September 17, 2020 8:45 am

Seriously, WTF is this? Monte McNair is a great hire. Then Vivek hires Dumars as “Chief Strategy Officer” (an invented position if there ever was one) to oversee and advise on… a bit of everything? Yeah, not likely. Dumars doesn’t know jack about business and real estate (at least no more than the average mildly informed citizen). He’s a basketball guy, meaning he will be focusing on basketball, and reporting directly to Vivek instead of Monte, who was SUPPOSED to be “the guy” in charge of all basketball ops. Way to take what could have been a great, exciting hire, and screw it up by hiring the newest official back-stabber at the same time. I wish Monte McNair the best of luck. He should invest in body armor and a rear-view camera.

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September 18, 2020 12:19 pm
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Yeah, I think this idea that Dumars is helping on other things outside of basketball is probably misdirection.

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September 17, 2020 8:49 am

Can anyone point me to one one decision that Dumars convinced Vivek to make that has led us in a bad direction? I mean seriously! The only one that we can possibly know of is convincing Vivek to push Vlade out? Which is what EVERYONE wanted! As far as we know, he has acted in good faith within his role. And help lead a process to find a competent GM.

I think the Vlade tenure alone is enough to prove that Vivek does not meddle in basketball decision making anymore. This team is 100% Vlade’s creation.

Stop being so reactionary to every bit of news. Let it play out. McNair is a very good hire. Thats the story here.

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September 17, 2020 8:53 am
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For me it has nothing to do with Dumars the person, it’s the same bullshit of having two people at the top who report independently to Vivek. It creates workplace competition and back-stabbing. This has been the trend of Vivek’s ownership style and it’s blown up in the Kings faces twice already.

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September 17, 2020 8:56 am
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The Warriors, Clippers have similar management structures. Not saying we are them but it can work. It all depends on Monte

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September 17, 2020 9:42 am
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The Warriors and Clippers have ownership that are willing to invest vast sums of money into basketball operations, while the Kings have historically had one of the most under-resourced front offices in the league.

Dumars’ salary – no matter the PR spin – is money that should be allocated to Monte McNair’s front office budget. I’d much rather McNair have whatever Dumars is getting paid to invest into scouting, analytics, trainers, etc.

You’re right, it all depends on Monte, but more significantly, it all depends on Vivek to give him the best opportunity to succeed.

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September 17, 2020 9:46 am
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I agree with this thinking. I just don’t think we’re doomed because it is set up this way. Theres reason for hope

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September 17, 2020 9:45 am
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The difference between the Kings and the other franchises is Vivek is the owner.

To me it all depends on Vivek not Monte – if Vivek can refrain from interfering and creating organizational dysfuntion then Monte will have a chance to right the ship

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He refrained during the entire Vlade tenure. He’s shown he can do that.

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September 17, 2020 9:50 am
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Not even Grant pushed this level of fairy tail falsity.

Even he disclosed that Joerger wasn’t really Vlade’s hire.

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September 17, 2020 10:05 am
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But when did Grant say this? I would bet it was after Dave got fired, b/c you know, that’s how Grant rolls.

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September 17, 2020 12:05 pm
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You bet correctly.

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September 18, 2020 12:24 pm
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September 17, 2020 9:58 am
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When the Kings win as much as the Warriors and Clippers do, I will give Vivek the benefit of the doubt.

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September 17, 2020 10:09 am
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The Warriors hadn’t won anything in 35 years when they hired West.

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September 17, 2020 4:11 pm

You’re right. And I stand by my statement. Until the Kings prove this works for them, I will be highly skeptical, especially since Vivek has more or less done this exact same thing (hire an advisor to unofficially compete with the GM for his ear) multiple times, with disastrous results.

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September 17, 2020 9:09 am
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I think given the mess with Mullins-PD-Malone and then Divac-PD-Karl there is a reason for very legitimate concern (that you have raised).

I will also point out that Dumars’ role / this set up is virtually identical to what Jerry West had with the Warriors and is probably the path Vivek is at least trying to copy.

The Golden State Warriors have added Jerry West as one of the club’s Executive Board members, the team announced today. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not announced. West, who will be introduced to the Bay Area media on Tuesday, joins Joe Lacob, Peter Guber, Vivek Ranadive, Erika Glazer, Fred Harman, Bob Piccinini and Bruce Karsh on the club’s Executive Board.

West, 72, will assist the Warriors’ ownership group and represent the organization in a wide variety of team-related functions in his role with the club. The position will encompass various areas and responsibilities, ranging from basketball operations to business, sponsorship and marketing endeavors. He will report directly to owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber and will travel to the Bay Area frequently while maintaining his Los Angeles-based residence.

https://www.ibtimes.com/press-release-jerry-west-now-warrior-644136

Now, it maybe that West is a very special NBA talent and the Warriors success had less to do with having an advisor and more to do with West’s uncanny ability. But I would imagine this is what Vivek is trying to replicate.

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September 17, 2020 9:18 am
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The point cannot be emphasized enough: Joe Dumars is very much NOT Jerry West.

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September 17, 2020 9:22 am
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Fair, but two points:

1 – Dumars is not Jerry West

2 – Dumars role is not an anomaly in NBA circles

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September 17, 2020 9:30 am
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That’s not the point. The point is this Management structure can work. Some Championship teams are built like this. Give it time.

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September 17, 2020 10:00 am
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The Kings have also been built like this, officially or unofficially, for the past seven years. Skepticism is not just understandable, it is demanded.

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September 17, 2020 10:59 am
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I certainly haven’t heard this before in the past 14 years. 😉

Give it time.

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September 17, 2020 1:27 pm
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How many final decisions did McNair make in Houston ? Answer- Zero ! Maybe he will make some here and have success but no reason to think things are actually better except for just Hope !

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September 17, 2020 2:44 pm
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Yes, West is a special talent, that’s indisputable. But it is also necessary to emphasize that Vivek isn’t Joe Lacob, either.

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September 17, 2020 9:22 am
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The head of the Business Operations also reports directly to Vivek. It doesn’t mean that they get to weigh in on draft selections.

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September 17, 2020 10:01 am
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But Dumars’ job description explicitly states that he will be advising on basketball matters and reporting directly to Vivek.

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September 17, 2020 10:08 am
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Which isn’t the same thing as saying that his opinions will carry more weight than McNair’s.

Even if Houston blows up, McNair wouldn’t be unemployed any longer than he wanted to be. I don’t see him coming here to be hamstrung by Joe Dumars.

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September 17, 2020 1:15 pm
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Dumars’ opinion on basketball matters shouldn’t carry ANY weight, is the point. Unless he reports to McNair, which he does not. This organizational structure will inevitably lead to competition and friction between Dumars and McNair, and confusion among the fanbase, the players, the coaches, and the rest of the organization. What happens the next time the Kings draft a player who doesn’t reach his potential? Or the next time the Kings make what turns out to be a bad trade? Was that McNair’s call? Dumars’ call? Vivek’s call, after listening to McNair and Dumars and then going his own way? There is STILL going to be no clarity about who, exactly, is IN CHARGE here, and so every mistake (and mistakes are inevitable, even in great organizations) will lead to finger-pointing and petty he-said-she-said office political nonsense. For goodness’ sake, just hire ONE GUY, make him THE GUY, and get the heck out of the way. Enough with this Silicon Valley crap. This isn’t that hard. ONE FREAKING GUY.

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September 17, 2020 2:00 pm
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Exactly. This is just more of the same shit from the stupidest organization and the worst owner in professional sports. Even a consultant with a proven track record could not get Vivek out of his own way. That last tweet in the article says it all. Multiple candidates turned this job down for that very reason.

So we get the guy desperate enough clinging to a possibly sinking ship in Houston. Out of the 6 candidates that were named, most people had Monte 3rd or 4th. It’s a mediocre hire. Which to the Kings feels like a huge win.

But they even fucked that up, and I give it a year before this competent individual realizes how shit runs around here. He might already think of this job as a placeholder. First time one of his highly technical analytical basketball decisions gets shot down by the guy who won a championship in 2004, he’s gone.

It was always the plan to have Joe D running things. He was a great player in the 80s and 90s and had success as a GM before the game passed him by. He whispered some sweet nothings to Vivek about jazz music and did he mention he knows Isiah Thomas? This dog and pony show with Sportology and interviews speaks for itself. As one of our more illustrious posters often says, “The proof is in the pudding”. Well the pudding looks a lot like Joe D’s jizz cuz we’re all getting fucked.

Another decade of irrelevance likely. Maybe we’ll crack 40 wins at some point though. They’ll probably throw a parade.

Time to take a break from this team again. I hope I’m wrong and this group does great things. I hope so for the fans, who deserve so much better than this shit-show circus they are subjected to year after year. Not optimistic though.

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September 17, 2020 7:38 pm
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Damn! Airmax coming with the fire!

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September 17, 2020 10:24 pm
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Wow!

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September 17, 2020 11:26 pm
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So pessimistic Airmax. At most this will set us back 6 years.

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September 17, 2020 10:20 pm
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It creates workplace competition and back-stabbing. This has been the trend of Vivek’s ownership style and it’s blown up in the Kings faces twice already.

That’s not to mention Pete D and Mike Malone, George Karl and Vlade and Brandon Williams and Dave Joerger.

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September 17, 2020 10:41 am
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McNair is a very good hire. Thats the story here…agreed.

Dumars has been around the game his entire life. Knows the game. 3 rings…player/GM. If anything, his role should be strictly advisory. Dumars should be our Jerry West…wishful thinking. Dumars should have the opportunity to give an opinion strictly based on the improvement of our team. Not a decision maker. A different pair of eyes. McNair doesn’t appear arrogant and McNair won’t see everything. This is why it is imperative the FO operates like a machine. McNair appears to listen and communicates well. Dumars is competent enough for an advisory type of role. Not sure what his title means now though. McNair has an it factor. I have no worries about him until it’s time to worry about him.

Now, Limp Walton has to go. We have another chance to get it right. In this order, fire Walton, hire Donovan, Brown, or D’Antoni. We need a damn coach. I’m in on Donovan. That has WCF written all over it with smart solid moves. It’ll be up to the players then.

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September 17, 2020 11:05 am
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I think there’s room for other roles if they handle them correctly. Dumars represented Killian Hayes, and set Hayes up with his trainer (Will Bynum). If McNair’s team is high on Hayes, then Dumars would be the person to make the introduction. Dumars has a very good reputation throughout the league, and I think it would be beneficial to leverage his relationships to convince rookies and free agents to at least meet with McNair. In a perfect world Dumars could be Scott Perry lite. He makes the introductions and gives his opinion, but doesn’t make the ultimate decision about a specific transaction.

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September 17, 2020 2:48 pm
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“Dumars should have the opportunity to give an opinion strictly based on the improvement of our team. Not a decision maker. A different pair of eyes.”

I’d be a lot more comfortable if McNair hired someone who shared his values to perform in this role instead of being saddled with Dumars. It is also contrary to the announced organizational structure, where Dumars reports to Vivek, not McNair. 

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September 18, 2020 6:09 am
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Reporting and decision making are not the same. Maybe I’m overly optimistic after 22 yrs of misery with this team. I think this could work. McNair should have people that share the same values as he does, but this is still an athlete’s game. An athlete sees the game completely differently than say someone who watches and critiques the game. McNair is a former athlete, but in football. McNair doesnt need a bunch of yes men. Maybe 1 at the most. As our GM, he should listen to a former successful player and semi-successful GM for ideas. Listening does not mean Dumars is making decisions. Nor do I think Dumars will attempt to sabotage this set up. The FO needs stabilizing true, but you can never fully understand anything in life from just one perspective…specifically basketball. We need more people and Vivek needs to pay up to build a winner. Either he’s in it to make money, win, or both. I hope he understands it takes money to win and I hope winning trumps everything else.

Give them time. Hell, we’ve waited 14 yrs to sniff the playoffs. We’re finally seeing some daylight. Now if we can only get Donovan in here…🤔

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September 18, 2020 12:37 pm
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Give them time.

Not like anyone has a choice, really…but if I had a nickel for every time…

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September 18, 2020 12:29 pm
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I think this is a very fair (if optimistic) take, but it is missing the Vivek component.

So I hope you are right. But I don’t get the outrage towards those who see a problem in this dynamic, unless Vivek has finally realized he’s not a visionary and isn’t going to revolutionize the league.

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September 18, 2020 12:23 pm
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That’s not the story here, really. It’s a piece of a larger story. This franchise has about a 100% track record of screwing up their good fortune. Assuming things are different now is specious logic, based on history alone.

Ultimately, it might be fine. But let’s be real, there’s no chance McNair is the primary voice in the room in this setup.

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September 17, 2020 8:50 am

I love that they pretend that Joe Dumars isn’t work shopping stuff with Vivek outside of McNair’s chain supervision by giving him fake duties.

Hey Joe, we planned to redo the 800 block by now. Do we hold off on that for 2 years or 3? Is it now apartments or still condos? Finally, the movie theater wants to extend rent credits to March 2021 … thoughts??? Also, McNair wants to make Bagley a center. You good with that? PS – great job guarding MJ in 88.

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September 17, 2020 8:52 am
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“Monte, you are THE GUY and report directly to me! Joe, you are the OTHER GUY who will tell me to ignore Monte and do something else.”

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September 17, 2020 8:54 am
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Exactly. Same shit, different day.

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September 17, 2020 8:57 am
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I disagree

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September 17, 2020 9:03 am
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So you believe that Dumars will completely stay out of the way of who to draft and trade and will leave the decision to McNair?

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September 17, 2020 9:13 am
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I mean with all of his €œreal estate€ and €œentertainment€ duties … he may not have time to meddle.

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September 17, 2020 9:23 am
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you realize that ex basketball players can venture outside their previous expertise, right? It’s possible Dumars has investment background in those areas and we just don’t know it yet.

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September 17, 2020 9:25 am
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The former GM sure as hell was venturing outside his area of expertise.

Whatever the hell it was.

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September 17, 2020 1:17 pm
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Shaving intermittently.

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September 17, 2020 12:26 pm
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Wikipedia & Google say he has business experience. He used to own an auto supply company. I’m not sure if that’s a useful background for any of the businesses the Kings are involved in.

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September 17, 2020 1:17 pm
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You don’t hire a painter to fix a pro racecar, and you don’t hire a basketball executive to sell condos.

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September 17, 2020 9:28 am
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I am not saying that, I don’t mind Dumars having a voice. I mean, he built a championship team for crying out loud, he knows what he’s talking about.

My point is he wont be the final decision maker. And Vivek won’t go around Monte to appease Dumars. That is all that matters

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September 17, 2020 11:15 am
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I’m glad you are optimistic about this, and I think a lot of us want to be too. But the fact that from our outside view looking in on the front office workings of this organization in the past, we don’t have what we the fans take as solid evidence that this can work to better the team’s performance, both on and off the court.

McNair is a fantastic hire and light years ahead of the last five years, if he is the SOLE person responsible for decisions. Dumars is also a good hire, and I hope they work well in their respective roles. But the fact that they have roles that appear to overlap as well as the history this team has with disfunction, betrayal, and mismanagement doesn’t give us positive vibes. I want to be wrong, but the experience to this point doesn’t give me hope in that regard.

I think the first real proof to us fans or outside the building will be come draft time, if nothing else big happens first.

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September 17, 2020 1:19 pm
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If he’s not the final decision-maker, he should be reporting to the final decision-maker, which is supposed to be Monte McNair. That’s the problem here. McNair is a great choice for decision-maker, but Vivek has clouded the waters by hiring Dumars as a not-decision-maker whose job will be to influence decisions outside the official decision-maker’s chain of command. It’s a recipe for confusion and toxicity.
EDIT: I really, really hope you are right and this all works just fine. I (and others) are just extremely cynical after so many years of seeing this exact same thing playing out poorly.

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September 18, 2020 12:38 pm
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Again, I don’t know how anyone could state something like this with such certainty. You’d almost think they were a brand new fan of the franchise.

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September 17, 2020 9:31 am
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Well put!

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September 17, 2020 8:54 am

Last 12 hours of fandom:

😬 🙂 😀 😐 😳 🤔 🤦€™‚️

But hey, it included some moments of happiness and optimism, so …

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September 17, 2020 8:59 am
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it was fun while it lasted.

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September 17, 2020 8:55 am

Vivek’s strategy has been a problem
He is unlikely to sell
Is Aneel taking over the most pragmatic solution?

Aneel wanted Luka. What else do we need to know? Dave & Sam Amick conjectured that Aneel was the one advocating for Gupta. Monte may work out fine, but Aneel has been more closely aligned with the fans. The People’s Chairmen!

Signed,
-Not Aneel Ranadive

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September 17, 2020 8:58 am

And once again, we are reminded that we are the KANGZ… the optimism was fun while it lasted. I hope I’m wrong but I can already see Mcnair stepping down in the near future.

Heres a thought Vivek – if excellent candidates are rejecting the position due to you keeping Dumars on in the front office, maybe it’s a bad idea.

Hope I’m wrong

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September 17, 2020 8:59 am
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But an excellent candidate took the position

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September 17, 2020 9:19 am
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More excellent candidates declined to even be interviewed because of Dumars’ involvement, per Amick. That tell me all I need to know.

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September 17, 2020 9:23 am
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Do we know for sure any other candidate is more excellent than Monte. I mean, its all conjecture from us. I am just saying let it play out

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September 17, 2020 9:46 am
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I’m totally fine with Monte, I don’t like that fact others turned down interviews because of Dumars’ role.

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September 17, 2020 9:47 am
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That’s fair

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September 18, 2020 12:40 pm
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If that’s all you were saying, I don’t think you’d get so much disagreement.

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September 17, 2020 9:25 am
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Let’s not pretend even without Dumars involvement that the Kings job is easily the most difficult turnaround in the league. It might be the hardest job to take right now.

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September 17, 2020 9:26 am
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Also this

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September 17, 2020 10:02 am
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I think the Knicks still own that title.

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September 17, 2020 12:44 pm
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Being in a big market theoretically gives them a way to improve via FA’s, which isn’t likely to be a method that the Kings can use for major improvement. However, they probably won’t be able to significantly improve via FA’s until they have a competent FO. Like the Kings, they can utilize trades & the draft.

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September 17, 2020 9:02 am

I have been named Vice President of Where Good Ideas Go to Die.

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September 17, 2020 9:08 am

I’m sure this has come up, but here’s a little bit from Morey within a great talk. He talks about the Rockets’ “Monte McNair” rule. Which is to make sure you analyze every trade idea from the POV of the opponent. It seems obvious, but from that sounds of this clip, it may not be the standard in all FOs.

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The fact that Monte is well-regarded by Morey and Hinkie is an excellent sign

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September 17, 2020 9:44 am

The Kings own Luke Bornn is in that one as well.

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September 17, 2020 9:48 am

Didnt Bornn leave?

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September 17, 2020 9:50 am
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It’s still in his Twitter bio.

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September 17, 2020 9:51 am
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No, he is still vice president of strategy and analytics…at least for now.

He’s even got a website: lukebornn.com

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September 17, 2020 9:55 am
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His role is now Basketball Analytics Advisor according to the Kings contact page. He and Billy Beane are involved in some sort of venture capital thing now trying to buy sports analytics companies.

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September 17, 2020 10:15 am
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I’d guess Monte will use Bornn better than previous regimes.

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September 17, 2020 10:26 am
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I sure as hell hope so, but worry that his analytics helped Vlade pick Bagley over Doncic.

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September 17, 2020 10:33 am
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Based on Vlade’s white board I don’t think he spent too much time pouring over detailed statistical analysis. “20 and 10 guy” is about the most I ever heard Vlade say with respect to stats.

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September 17, 2020 10:43 am
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True, but if we are going to use the “guy in the room” resume analysis for McNair in Houston or Gupta in Minny, we should use it on Bornn.

He’s been with the analytics team since 2017. What good choices have the Kings made since he’s been here?

From the Kings bio page he looks to be third in decision making, behind assistant GM Catanella.

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September 17, 2020 10:47 am
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There’s no way in hell analytics pushed Bagley over Doncic.

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September 17, 2020 10:48 am
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I agree, but then what has Bornn been doing for the past 3 years?

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September 17, 2020 10:57 am
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Waiting for read receipts from all the emails he sent to Vlade?