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Should the Kings look at Kristaps Porzingis?

Zinger's days in Dallas seem numbered, should the Kings take a look at that talented but struggling big man?

The blame game began as soon as the Los Angeles Clippers eliminated the Dallas Mavericks from the playoffs. First there were questions about Rick Carlisle, which were quickly quieted by Mark Cuban. Then the grumblings started coming from Kristaps Porzingis. ESPN's Tim MacMahon reported that Porzingis is frustrated in Luka Doncic's shadow:

But Porzingis has been frustrated, often feeling more like an afterthought than a co-star as Doncic dominates the ball and the spotlight, sources told ESPN. Porzingis frequently made thinly veiled references during his postgame media availabilities, such as saying the "ball actually moved tonight" after high-scoring performances or stating that the offense didn't involve him on low-scoring nights.

If the Kings are interested in a big roster shakeup, as is expected, chasing a big name who has underperformed is the most likely way to do it. And Porzingis can be frustrated and blame others, but he's underperformed expectations. When the Mavericks traded for Zinger, he was supposed to be the second star next to Doncic. If he doesn't feel like a second star, it's likely because he hasn't played like one.

Yet Porzingis does remain productive, even if he isn't the player he's was expected to be. Porzingis finished this year with averages of 20.1 points, 8.9 rebounds, 1.6 assists and 1.3 blocks per game.

The eye test suggest there might be a little Whiteside in those numbers, though. Despite filling the stat sheet, there's a lot of frustration among Mavs fans, and a lot of skepticism from anyone who watches many Dallas games.

But a hypothetical trade of Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley for Porzingis works under the cap. There are other permutations that work as well. Buddy Hield could provide shooting around Doncic, which the Mavericks have been looking for. I'm not the fake-trade guru, as I often have trouble figuring out what each team might want or value, but the framework of a deal to bring Porzingis to Sacramento is easy enough.

If the Kings are looking to add talented players who are potentially undervalued, Porzingis could be an option worth looking at. In the end, if the Kings acquire Porzingis I'd be happy or angry abased only on what they gave up. Buddy and Bagley? Sure, I'm in. Buddy, Bagley and this year's first? I'm a lot less happy.

But that's just me. What do you think? Would you want to see the Kings trade for Kristaps Porzingis?

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RikSmits
June 7, 2021 10:12 am

Look? Sure.
Touch? No.

Kfan
June 7, 2021 4:42 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Yeah. I don’t get the infatuation with that guy. Oft-injured, not a plus on D, meh rebounder, and doesn’t seem to try that hard to me, but he’s a big that shoots 36% from 3!!!

AnybodyButBagley
June 8, 2021 10:03 pm
Reply to  Kfan

We have the same player. His name is Marvin.

1951
June 7, 2021 10:14 am

No mention of his contract? 🤔

$31.6m
$33.8m
$36m player option in 2023/24, which I am pretty sure he opted into yesterday.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 12:04 pm
Reply to  Greg

My take is that turning two large-ish deals into a single horrifying money-pit one to get a player with chronic injuries would be very, very bad.

Marvin is off the books in a year, and Hield’s value improves as time goes forward. KP’s deal would cripple the franchise in a way that would actually make things worse in Sacramento.

If he couldn’t excel playing with Doncic, what chance is there that he can flourish elsewhere?

KingOfTheMonsters
June 7, 2021 12:23 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Doncic took the ball out of his hands.

rc50cal
June 7, 2021 4:21 pm

Doncic is very ball dominant, but Porzingis is not an efficient offensive basketball player any more. He’s too weak to establish position, too slow to get by anyone, and he has no handle.

Otis
June 7, 2021 4:40 pm
Reply to  rc50cal

Interestingly enough, he had by far his best TS% of his career this season – it’s almost an outlier. And his FGA/100 possessions was second highest of his career, so it wasn’t all a decrease in volume.

Tells you a lot about the guy that he’s disgruntled after this particular season.

BestHyperboleEver
June 8, 2021 9:30 am
Reply to  Otis

This. He just had his best season in individual performance and team success. I think his comments are revealing.

Kingsguru21
June 8, 2021 10:10 am

This is what scares me: Since both got to Dallas, Tim Hardaway Jr has played about 1500 more minutes than Kristaps Porzingis.

That’s immensely bothersome above and beyond all the other stuff.

Marty
June 7, 2021 10:15 am

H E
C A N ‘ T
R U N

RikSmits
June 7, 2021 10:17 am
Reply to  Marty

Unless you play him next to Boba- oh Carlisle, you magnificent bastard!

June 7, 2021 12:13 pm
Reply to  Greg

I’ll just edit to meh!

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Bbmuteman
June 7, 2021 1:03 pm
Reply to  blknblu

How do we edit comments? Is that something not available on the phone?

June 7, 2021 1:34 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Dunno. It’s there on my iPad though.

Otis
June 7, 2021 3:02 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Just to the bottom right of your comment, an “Edit” option will pop up after you’ve posted a message. But you don’t have a large window of time to edit.

Bbmuteman
June 7, 2021 4:08 pm
Reply to  Otis

Got it. Much appreciated!

I’ve never noticed the gear icon that is edit.

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SMF-PDXConnection
June 7, 2021 10:18 am
Reply to  Marty

They’ve spent years and many misguided attempts at doing a running, fast paced team.

So, of course they’re going to push all their chips in on a non-running player.

Because that’s what idiots do.

MaybeNextYear
June 7, 2021 10:16 am

Exactly this. I imagine Buddy, Bagley, and some sort of draft compensation gets it done, like a lotto-protected first. I think I do that as Sacramento, only because we’re trading two bad defenders for one, and one injury prone player for another. But it’s close.

TheGrantNapear
June 7, 2021 12:51 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

Why would we have to add draft compensation?
Buddy is making $18 million the last year of his contract whilst Zinger is making $36 million. Double!
A Buddy / Bagley offer would be more than fair.

AnybodyButBagley
June 8, 2021 10:06 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Would not be a Kings deal unless they gave up the future of the franchise.

rc50cal
June 7, 2021 4:23 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

It should not be close. Porzingis will be out of the league. He’s terrible on defense and not that good on offense. He makes way too much money and has had like 20 leg injuries (butt pulled number).

TitleChaser
June 7, 2021 10:20 am

I’d trade Buddy and a second for Porzingis, if that works. He might be rejuvenated with Fox and Halliburton keeping the ball moving. Could even fit well with Bagley if the team wants to kick tires on that for another year. Plus, Porzingis for Buddy saves the Mavs about 9 million, and Cuban might appreciate the extra cap space; Dallas might even appreciate the extra floor-spacing and chance to replace Hardaway. Anything more though…I dunno. I’m even a bit reluctant to do the Buddy/Bagley for Porzingis trade.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 12:06 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

I’m not terribly interested in taking on one of the worst contracts in the league in order to help Dallas, but yes, it would make the Mavericks a better team.

TitleChaser
June 7, 2021 12:51 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

If Porzingis was, or were likely to become, the worst contract in the league, I’d agree. I agree that Porzingis could become that, and that there’s a big risk in taking him on. I also think he’s a 25-yr old who’s been good to very good when not injured. Might be the type of risk worth taking for the Kings, especially if Buddy’s role shrinks more and more between Halliburton and possibly Davis taking guard minutes.

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andy_sims
June 7, 2021 1:06 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

For what it’s worth, Marvin Bagley has been quite good when he’s not injured, and his Per 36 rebounding numbers are identical at thirty cents on the dollar.

If healthy, KP is the superior player, and likely remains true if Marvin hits his peak potential. Since neither is likely to happen, I’d rather have a hand with Bagley in it than Porzingis.

TitleChaser
June 7, 2021 1:22 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Frankly, I’d rather have both. Porzingis played all his minutes at Center, so says BBREF, and unless we somehow get Mobley or Cunningham in the draft, I’d rather give Bagley a last chance at starting power forward. If we can keep Holmes, I’d rather have him, but I just don’t think Holmes is staying. I think in a vacuum that Buddy has more value that Porzingis at the moment, but I really think Buddy’s minutes are going to squeezed going forward. I’d be interested to see if KP’s stats are really empty calories on this team, or if he can be the floor-spacing, shot-blocking, 20 pt a night center we could use.

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andy_sims
June 7, 2021 2:24 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

If you move Hield + pick to take back Porzingis, then it’s simply impossible to retain Holmes. It would add the $9.5 mil difference between ’21-’22 salaries to Sacramento’s payroll.

I don’t think Holmes is likely to stay, regardless, but I still wouldn’t want KP.

MidtownMike
June 7, 2021 2:48 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

He could still stay for the full mle 4/47 but that’s the only chance.

Holmes next to zinger works fine on both sides of the court, move bags to 3rd big role

TitleChaser
June 7, 2021 4:16 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

If we can’t keep Holmes, and I think we can’t with the current space we have, I’d like to trade Hield for a successor. There are three possibilities that I can see: Hield for Horford, Hield for Adams, and Hield for Porzingis. Porzingis isn’t my favorite out of that, but I do think he has the highest ceiling of that group.

MidtownMike
June 7, 2021 2:47 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

I agree, when healthy the zinger is about as perfect fit next to bags as we could get.

Fox, wright
Hali, Davis
Barnes, (?)
Bags, (?)
Zinger, (?)

Top draft pick filling in one question mark, hoping one of our young guys develops for another one, then sign a vet for the last question mark.

Big if, but if bags and zinger stay healthy’ish, that’s the most talented roster we’ve rolled out in a long time

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 3:27 pm
Reply to  MidtownMike

giantest “if” in sports

Carl
June 7, 2021 6:15 pm
Reply to  MidtownMike

I agree, when healthy the zinger is about as perfect fit next to bags as we could get.

Defense.

AnybodyButBagley
June 8, 2021 10:11 pm
Reply to  Carl

Definitely would set some more historical defensive records.

ScottyPop
June 8, 2021 8:58 am
Reply to  MidtownMike

Opposing teams would score 160/game against this proposed squad.

No. Thank. You.

AnybodyButBagley
June 8, 2021 10:10 pm
Reply to  MidtownMike

Two bigs that leave for a week every time someone breathes on them wrong?

rc50cal
June 7, 2021 4:25 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

Porzingis would have to regain fo that he didn’t show this year. I think it’s just been too many injuries at this point.

Carl
June 7, 2021 6:13 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

For what it’s worth, Marvin Bagley has been quite good when he’s not injured

He really hasn’t. RAPTOR has him 285th out of 362 players who have played 500 minutes. RPM has him 192nd out of 534 for everyone who touched the court. Without looking, I would guess that those numbers are a big improvement. But they’re not good.

AnybodyButBagley
June 8, 2021 10:13 pm
Reply to  Carl

It is his “potential” that erases the fact that he is useless.

rc50cal
June 7, 2021 4:24 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

I’m sorry but he’s not worth the risk.

Gregoryl
June 7, 2021 3:24 pm
Reply to  TitleChaser

The Mavs would have to do better than Buddy and a second for Porzingis. Future firsts and maybe a young player as well.

TitleChaser
June 7, 2021 4:18 pm
Reply to  Gregoryl

Considering how desperate the Mavs are for talent besides Doncic, I doubt they’d trade their remaining firsts and/or a young player. I’d be happy if they did of course.

Bryant
Member
June 7, 2021 10:20 am

After watching Zinger over the last two years get frequently injured, play with zero physicality when he does play, and vanish in big games for a team that desperately needs a secondary scorer, I can’t honestly think of many players I’d less rather have on this roster in terms of pure basketball skill.

This roster has enough no-defense, no-toughness dudes. I don’t want to pay the ultimate star of that type of basketball approach $100M over the next three years. I’m very confident Buddy will be much easier to move than Zinger in a year.

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RikSmits
June 7, 2021 10:23 am
Reply to  Bryant

Toughness is just a construct of space and how to occupy it aggressively.

Bryant
Member
June 7, 2021 10:25 am
Reply to  RikSmits

And Zinger is a construct that measures at 7’3 in height but somehow only occupies 5’3 of actual space

RikSmits
June 7, 2021 10:28 am
Reply to  Bryant

Yup, I am no Bagley fan but no way I trade him for Zinger, even if it gets rid of Buddy.

There is injury-prone and there is broken. I’m afraid Zinger is beyond mending.

Bryant
Member
June 7, 2021 10:30 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Zinger is, like, the $100M ultimate culmination of nearly all the things that frustrate us about Bagley, just with less bounce.

BestHyperboleEver
June 7, 2021 10:55 am
Reply to  Greg

No first jump either.

Mephariel
June 7, 2021 10:09 pm
Reply to  Bryant

Zinger has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. I have no idea why we would want him.

Marty
June 7, 2021 11:55 am
Reply to  Bryant

Well if the Kings want to continue to build around “stand in the corner” then Porzingis is a perfect fit with Bagley, they both get one!

peyroux
June 7, 2021 10:24 am
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BestHyperboleEver
June 7, 2021 10:38 am

Word on the street is that there is little to no market for Porzingis. I suspect the price to pick him up will be even less than expected. That said, I’m not really interested either way. Maaaayyybbbbbeeee, you could get me interested if they Mavs were throwing in a couple decent picks, but the Mavs can’t trade a 1st any sooner than 2025.

That said, I was thinking that a deal built around Hield for Steven Adams makes sense on a number of levels. They’re close in age, offer similar overall production (obviously in very different ways. The Pelicans are desperate for shooting. The Kings are desperate for interior toughness. I’d love to see if the Kings could also pull Marshall and/or NAW in the deal.

Gregoryl
June 7, 2021 2:45 pm

Right, if the Kings are interested, then they need to really lowball the Mavs. Something like Buddy/Bagley for KP/Finney-Smith and a couple future firsts

ScottyPop
June 7, 2021 10:40 am

I’m a maybe on the combination of Buddy/Bagley as long as there are no 1sts going to Dallas.

With that said, I don’t think Porzingis is going to make this team any better. Shuffling deck chairs…

MidtownMike
June 7, 2021 2:50 pm
Reply to  ScottyPop

Buddy straight up or no deal

Gregoryl
June 7, 2021 2:52 pm
Reply to  MidtownMike

Would love that, but the contracts dont work.

MidtownMike
June 7, 2021 3:03 pm
Reply to  Gregoryl

Buddy plus Justin James for zinger works

Gregoryl
June 7, 2021 3:18 pm
Reply to  MidtownMike

I would dump Buddy for almost anything straight up, but in this case “almost anything” doesn’t equal KP. Mavs need to thrown in multiple future firsts, especially if there is no market for KP and his contract is as insane as it is.

RobHessing
June 7, 2021 10:42 am

Playing devil’s advocate here: A Porzingis trade for Hield / Bagley does balance the roster a bit. It creates $2m in additional cap space next season, and if that allowed you to re-sign Holmes, a starting lineup of Holmes, Porzingis, Barnes, Haliburton and Fox would at least be interesting.

I probably need a future pick from Dallas, probably one that is lottery protected for the next few years. I don’t think that the trade would be a disaster, but it could be a whole lotta meh.

Hobby916
June 7, 2021 11:32 am
Reply to  RobHessing

What if the Mavs added Josh Green in the deal instead of a pick?

BestHyperboleEver
June 7, 2021 11:43 am
Reply to  Hobby916

I was never impressed with Green as a prospect. I haven’t seen him play this year, but I’d rather have a lottery protected 1st. Heck, I’d rather have a high 2nd.

Bryant
Member
June 7, 2021 12:23 pm
Reply to  Hobby916

I’m a BIG Josh Green fan, and I still say NO WAY to this

Hamlet1989
June 8, 2021 9:34 am
Reply to  Bryant

On the pod-cast, you guys spend all this time panning the Kings former ways, and then brainstorming ways to make all the same mistakes.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
June 7, 2021 12:12 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Yeah, I think the Mavs are going to have to attach a pick to Zinger if they want to move him. His deal is easily one of the worst in the league.

Hamlet1989
June 8, 2021 9:29 am
Reply to  RobHessing

It’s a no-brainer for the Kings! If they need to add a couple 2nds, then do it, not a 1st.
Good move to have that huge contract on the books, whether he balls-out or not. At least then your trying. Good teams acquire high dollar contracts. When they don’t work out, replace them with other high dollar contracts (Buddy for Zinger). It’s hard to replace small/medium sized contracts with big ones especially when you can’t afford to break the cap.
Everyone recognizes the middle ground draft limbo. But what about the Free agency middle ground? Average contract=average players= cap room for another average player when when average contract expires. The Kings need to take some chances, spend some $. FULL STOP.
He’s 25!
Or we could spend on another overvalued role player (Holmes), and hope Groundhog Day works out different this time.

Otis
June 8, 2021 3:15 pm
Reply to  Hamlet1989

I’m not sold that Holmes won’t be more productive over the next few years than Porzingis, especially if we get NY-Porzingis, and not Doncic-fueled Porzingis. And that’s even before talking about contracts.

coolhandluke
June 7, 2021 10:59 am

Um, no.

We already gifted the Mavs with Luka. Do we want to gift wrap the role players too?

Klam
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Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
June 7, 2021 11:44 am
Reply to  coolhandluke

Thanks Vlade! 😉

BabalooMagoo
June 7, 2021 11:06 am

3 years @ 30 mil/yr for a guy who is hurt almost as much as Bagley? Not just no but Hell No!

RobHessing
June 7, 2021 11:10 am
Reply to  BabalooMagoo

Compared to Bagley, the Zinger looks like Cal Ripken.
Porzingis since coming back from ACL: 100 games (69%)
Bagley over same period: 56 games (39%)
(Buddy Hield: 143 games (99%))

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andy_sims
June 7, 2021 12:08 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

I’ll take the non-Ripken with one year left at a third of the price. It’s that simple.

Carl
June 8, 2021 2:19 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Bagley is more Billy than Cal.

Hamlet1989
June 8, 2021 7:24 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

KP will be our Blake Griffin next season. Like a Phoenix from the ashes!

deepshot22
June 7, 2021 11:13 am

I watched a lot of that Dallas-LAC series (hoping LAC lost cuz fuck LA teams). I wouldn’t take Porzingis unless he came with quality draft capital. It looked as if Zinger has not much else besides spot up 3pt shooting. His lack of athleticism, movement and physicality is a major issue.

However, that Dallas offense was offensive. Sooooo much over dribbling and one on one play.

Otis
June 7, 2021 11:19 am
Reply to  deepshot22

That Dallas roster is pretty bad, IMO.

They were 14th in 4th quarter ORtg among 16 playoff teams. Good defenses learn to slow down teams with one player when the playoffs roll around.

They need someone better than Porzingis as their 2nd best player, but even beyond that they need a lot of roster improvement. And Luka needs to work on his free throws and his fitness level.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
June 7, 2021 12:15 pm
Reply to  Otis

They are of the teams I’m afraid is going to throw good money at Holmes and I think Holmes would be really good with Luka.

BestHyperboleEver
June 7, 2021 1:02 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I don’t know. I would assume whatever bullets they have, they’ll save to add a playmaker that can share the court with Doncic at times and take the reins when he gets a breather. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them go after one of the three FA wise men of Paul (after opting out), Lowry, and Conley.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
June 7, 2021 1:08 pm

I think they have that guy on the cheap in Jalen Brunson. IMO, if they don’t re-sign Hardaway Jr, they are going to need shooting to spread the floor for Luka and they are going to need a dynamic big man for the PnR. Holmes and Buddy make a lot of sense for them.

BestHyperboleEver
June 7, 2021 1:30 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I can’t speak for what they think, but I don’t see Brunson as nearly that level of player. Even if he is, they need a lot more of it. They certainly need shooting regardless. But if I were figuring out how to allocate their resources, I’d be pretty willing to bet on Doncic and another playmaker being able to squeeze Holmes-ish production out of a cheaper rim-runner/PnR roll man and 40% on 3s from a generic brand shooter. I mean, they didn’t lose to the Clips because of the lack of a roll man or a shooter. They lost because they have zero answers for generating offense when Doncic sits or gets triple-teamed. Adding two guys that don’t generate their own offense won’t solve that.

Hamlet1989
June 8, 2021 9:44 am
Reply to  Adamsite

I agree that Holmes is a better fit for them. And Buddy! Zinger needs the ball, Holmes goes and gets it.

Hamlet1989
June 8, 2021 9:39 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Holmes= Ike Diogu with a push shot

Hamlet1989
June 8, 2021 9:40 am
Reply to  Adamsite

No NBA GM is afraid of the Mavs getting Holmes

King4life
June 7, 2021 11:16 am

Not sure KP would be any happier here with Fox and Haliburton handling the ball than he is with Doncic pounding the rock as a supersized Westbrook. His role would likely be similar to Dallas and at his current contract rate, I would rather look for a floor spacing big elsewhere.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 12:08 pm
Reply to  King4life

he might like our hospitals better tho

King4life
June 7, 2021 1:48 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

There is a Kaiser right next to the arena. I’m sure Bagley could give him a great recommendation of the local hospital scene.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 2:26 pm
Reply to  King4life

Pretty sure that Kaiser is getting kickbacks from a morticians lobbying group.

BeTheBall
June 7, 2021 1:56 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

He’d instantly get a sponsorship from Kaiser

Falconsfury
June 7, 2021 11:19 am

In NYC he was a star. He was Randle before Randle. Now that he’s in Texas, he’s playing in the shadow of Luka. Very similar to Linsanity going to play behind Harden. If I were him, I’d head back East where he can dominate the competition. The West is rough if you’re trying to establish your brand given all the immense talent.

rockbottom
June 7, 2021 12:11 pm
Reply to  Falconsfury

He like Randle on a losing team instead of a winning one ! Every losing team has a leading scorer ( see Kings ) ! Also , that was two knee surgeries ago ! Going East will not help him become a star unless it’s to Greece !

KingofNOthing
June 7, 2021 11:23 am

Porzingis reminds me of the Ralph Sampson trade many years ago. An injury depleted big man *star that best years were behind him years ago. I would lose my mind if we helped Dallas by taking him off their hands for anything.

Marty
June 7, 2021 11:57 am
Reply to  KingofNOthing

great comparison

Murf
June 7, 2021 11:59 am
Reply to  KingofNOthing

That’s a great analogy. Oft injured big man who can’t stay healthy and while he has skills won’t use the skills applicable to actually play the position he currently plays.

The only way a deal like this would get made is if someone has photos of Kings ownership/management in a compromising position with farm animals

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 12:12 pm
Reply to  KingofNOthing

I could not possibly agree more. You can’t take on a deal like this if it won’t make a substantial difference, and he won’t. All it does is take two manageable contracts and turn it into a single, terrible one.

June 7, 2021 11:36 am

Keep Bagley over Porzingis. Bagley is still improving, Zinger is declining. Bagley hasn’t been paid yet and may still be forced to sign a team-friendly contract as a restricted free agent (how many teams lining up to pay him $10M+?) Zinger is maxed.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 11:59 am

Look because he’s a human curiosity and walk away as quickly as possible? Absolutely.

The only way he could earn the horrifying contract he has would be to remain healthy and consistently perform to the level at which he’s allegedly capable. He’s never been anywhere close to doing either.

Hard pass. Diamond pass.

rockbottom
June 7, 2021 12:03 pm

Just a taller more expensive and bigger diva than Bagley !

kgdobter
June 7, 2021 12:13 pm

Then we would only have to hate one player instead of two!

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
June 7, 2021 12:23 pm

Hard Pass.

1) Horrible contract.

2) Scary injury history

3) Passive defender

4) Weak rebounder

5) And now a troubled teammate

He’s now inching closer to Andrea Bargnani territory only he costs 3X as much.

ZillersCat
June 7, 2021 3:42 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

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TheGrantNapear
June 7, 2021 12:55 pm

Is there much of a difference between Bagley and KP? They both seem like empty stat guys who don’t play with toughness. So why give up Bagley and Buddy for KP? Hard pass. That $36 million Kp is making the last year of his contract could be ugly.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 2:27 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

The difference is about $20 million in salary, if that helps.

bjax1
June 7, 2021 1:11 pm

I had actually thought about this recently. If we trade Buddy and Bags and also give up a draft asset, the entire front office should be fired. Dallas will pay to get rid of Porzingis. They can’t realistically improve their team with that cap hit. We could do the deal proposed (or other filler in place of Bags preferably) but with Dallas giving us an unprotected First or lightly protected First. Then, it makes sense.

andy_sims
June 7, 2021 2:31 pm
Reply to  bjax1

Seriously. The idea that Sacramento is the party that would need to add a sweetener in this deal is ridiculous. A year from now, Dallas would be out from under Bagley’s deal, and still have a career 40% three-point shooter on a reasonable deal, being set up by one of the best distributors in the game.

Sacramento, on the other hand, would have a $35 million dollar millstone in order to have a guy who probably doesn’t play two dozen games a year at full strength.

Carl
June 7, 2021 9:13 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

And don’t forget that Porzingis has a rape allegation and a $50,000 fine for violating COVID protocols. At minimum he’s a knucklehead. No thanks.

Ellis5
June 7, 2021 1:38 pm

Not now…. Not ever.

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WizsSox
June 7, 2021 2:50 pm

This feels like a move a desperate GM would make if they know they get fired next year if they don’t make the playoffs. Don’t think (hopefully) Monte feels he is in that position currently. Could this work…maybe. I hope Monte has enough confidence in his abilities to not feel the need to swing for this. That said…

I mean the guy did average 26 and 11 with 2 blocks the last 2 months of just last season. Less than 12 months ago. Those comparing saying not much difference between he and Bagley seems like a bit of a stretch at this point. Money/length, totally different points and fair. It would be a monster gamble. I’m 80% against it…but I know I would talk myself into it within 24 hours.comment image

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Carl
June 7, 2021 9:16 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

This feels like a move a desperate GM would make if they know they get fired next year if they don’t make the playoffs.

I would hope they know better,but I won’t be shocked if the Kings make this move. McNair certainly isn’t on the hot seat yet, especially if he’s toeing the line for everything Vivek wants. But I really believe he’s going to make a move for a star, and he’s competing with a bunch of other teams who are either in a better position, have better assets or both. That means the chance increases of bringing in someone who is disgruntled, on a downswing, etc.

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Mephariel
June 7, 2021 10:17 pm
Reply to  Carl

If McNair thinks Porzingis is a “star” he should be fired now.

andy_sims
June 8, 2021 7:36 am
Reply to  Mephariel

There’s literally nothing in this article or floating around out there that suggests that McNair has thought about Porzingis at all, let alone about whether or not he’s a star.

Carl
June 8, 2021 2:22 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Agreed. Pure speculation on my part. I think McNair likely knows better, but I also think he’s going to be increasingly desperate to make something happen with little of the assets needed to do it.

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Tankathon
June 7, 2021 5:42 pm

Anyone supportive of getting KP should check out the video that Kevin O Connor of the Ringer posted on KP. Basically a 7’3 stiff that can’t move to defend or rebound to save his life. The last thing this team needs is another bloated salary that can’t defend or rebound

WizsSox
June 7, 2021 6:49 pm
Reply to  Tankathon

Saw that vid. You are probably right on some assertions here…but his defensive rebounding rate was ranked 20th this year. Right behind Jokic and Randle…ahead of John Collins, Steven Adams, Adebayo and Holmes. Hard to say he is a poor rebounder. He gets less offensive boards because he plays away from the basket on offense.

Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have other flaws, but he is at least solid in cleaning the defensive glass.

Tankathon
June 7, 2021 9:31 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Maybe my comment about him not being able to save his life was an exaggeration but based on eye test alone, he is not a good rebounder. The man is a 7’3 giant and only has a career average of 8 rebounds, not to mention all of the declining physical abilities like lateral and vertical movements that will make him an even worse rebounder. You can’t trade for a guy who makes $30 million and lacks one elite skill

WizsSox
June 7, 2021 10:15 pm
Reply to  Tankathon

Yeah I would tend to agree with the second half of this.

Kingsguru21
June 7, 2021 6:10 pm

Not interested in Porzingis period. Played 43 games this year. Doesn’t rebound well enough, doesn’t add toughness.

I don’t see the point of acquiring him at all.

ajonez81
June 7, 2021 6:12 pm

He’s definitely not worth the money, does not seem high character either, I’m good.

aplumley
June 7, 2021 7:04 pm

I was a huge fan of his leading up to and after the 2015 draft. He’s a solid scorer and has potential as a defender (especially as a weak side shot blocker). But he’s been inconsistent on D and has had a few red flags on character (rape allegation, fight, complaining about teammates). And the salary and injury issues. I think it’s a hard pass for me. Disappointing, because he’s got tons of potential but just isn’t worth eating up max money given the risks of him not playing due to injury or killing culture.

AnybodyButBagley
June 8, 2021 10:02 pm

It is a fantasy to assume that any NBA team would want the combination of Hield and Bagley. Too much stupidity on the team at the same time would make….well the Kings.

A guard that does not care at all about defense and cannot dribble that is way over paid. In combination with a soft center/forward that cannot play more than twenty games.

The Mavs are not dumb.

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