The Sacramento Kings are sending Bogdan Bogdanovic to the Milwaukee Bucks in a sign and trade deal, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. The Kings will receive back Donte DiVincenzo, DJ Wilson, and Ersan Ilyasova.
The Bucks are trading Donte Divincenzo. Ersan Ilyasova and DJ Wilson in the deal to the Kings, sources said. https://t.co/Vrho6gZQhH
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
This trade cannot be completed until 11/22 when the FA moratorium is lifted. https://t.co/waptFSdSjx
— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) November 17, 2020
Woj also reports that Justin James is included in the trade.
Kings will also send Justin James to the Bucks in the deal, per sources.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
Oh, and we should also mention that free agency doesn’t start until Friday, so it’s unclear how this deal is allowed to be agreed to without violating tampering rules. Alas.
This is Monte McNair’s first move as the new GM of the Kings, and it is a move of significance. Bogdan Bogdanovic’s restricted free agency was always set to be one of McNair’s earliest tests, and provide insight as to how he plans to reshape the team. If McNair was unwilling to match a big contract for Bogi, a sign and trade made sense. And although the return is largely uninspiring, DiVincenzo is a solid player. Sign and trade deals a notorious for not netting a significant return.
This decision could also signal somewhat of a domino effect for the Kings. With Bogi gone, Buddy Hield would be in line to resume his role as the starting shooting guard for the Kings. Much of Buddy’s frustration last season came as a result of being benched in favor of Bogdanovic. Would a return to the starting lineup begin to heal old wounds?
Of course, McNair could also choose to still trade Buddy Hield. Is this one prudent move to prevent losing a player for nothing, or is this the beginning of a series of moves to tear down and rebuild the roster? Only McNair knows for sure.
While it’s sad to see Bogi go, I’m happy to see him end up in a great situation. Playing with Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jrue Holiday on a team vying for a title is a great situation for Bogi. He was clearly frustrated at times in his Kings career with the constant losing, but was less publicly vocal than Buddy Hield. Acquiring the rights to Bogdan was one of the better moves Vlade Divac made in his tenure, and it’s widely assumed that had he stayed in charge Vlade would have re-signed Bogi no matter the cost.
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A Kings move?
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Hopefully by making the East stronger, we increase the Philly need for Buddy to keep up with the Simmons and Embiid timeline. Take back Horford’s contract, give them Buddy (maybe Barnes too) for a truckload of future picks. Let them keep Thybulle and Zhaire Smith and their 2020 pick.
No. Horford sucks. This is not about his expiring contract and it’s definitely not 2007. It’s his level of suckiness. Bring in someone that will make an immediate impact. I wouldn’t mind sending Buddy and Barnes for Harris, Richardson and their 21st this year. They easily slide in as starters. We still keep or 12th pick and we now have pieces to move up in the draft…IF, we wanted to.
Furthermore ð¤ ð¤ 𤠅what about Cojo, Bags, and a 2nd rounder for Dunn and Markkanen?????????!!!!!!!!
Scratch my first thought above. I like this one. A 2nd unit of Dunn and Divenchenzo would be relentless on defense. Markkanen is pretty skilled and provides spacing.
I like the Breaking Banner .. good to give it a test! I think it should have a link to a article though?
I really want an explanation on how this deal happened before free agency has begun. If the Bucks were talking with Bogi’s camp, isn’t that tampering?
Also, how is Justin James included on this because a sign and trade can’t involve multiple players. I have so many questions about this.
I assume the JJ part of the trade can happen now, and the rest will be completed on the 22nd. I would think we’ll also hear that the Bucks are sending cash compensation to the Kings to offset the cost of buying out Ilyasova.
I think the league will probably just look the other way this season since the offseason is so condensed.
Then there is no going back from here on out. Precedent is being set. I guess we are now doing free agency before the draft.
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Clearly, all parties involved were on board with it.
It’ not a normal FA period, I don’t care that the Bucks ‘tampered’ here. It’s meaningless. There’s so much going on, you don’t wait until things are official. You want to lock things in as soon as possible if possible.
I’m curious to see how the Kings pull this deal off if Bogi’s deal is 10.5+ million dollars to start. But I bet McNair and Wilcox have figured that out already, it’s just a matter of allowing time and a 3rd team taking on Ilyasova at this point.
The league has failed to police tampering to the point that teams don’t even care about having it leak that they’ve agreed to deals with free agents before free agency even begins. It’s disappointing how much the league let’s players and teams get away with now. Why’s the point of even having rules in place?
Can’t the Kings sign talk to their own guy?
It is what it is Bogi wanted to compete and Sac isn’t ready to pay to make up for not being competitive. I wish him well.
Agreed! I guess this is the beginning where we could see some changes in the NBA really soon. If this becomes the norm, I think the NBA should go with the plan of free agency starts first before the draft which I am totally okay with.
Same.
Just take a page from the NHL’s playbook & allow FA’s to visit teams before free agency begins.
Donte is a good partner besides Fox. Monte knows what he wants with this team. Looks like the Speed Kings are back on track.
Except you have a backcourt with no outside shooting.
Do you think Donte has the ability to improve his shooting? I see he improved from his rookie to 2nd year in 3pt%, but he’s not Bogi from beyond the arc. Much better defensively. My concern would be can Donte develop into, well, anything good in our “system.”
He certainly could. That will be an important part of figuring out how much he can be on the floor with Fox.
Wow.
I’m happy to not be paying bogi. Plus they turned it into more assets. Now trade Holmes and bjelica.
Don’t know how I would feel about this.. I mean I’m okay parting ways with Bogie but I would have expected some draft compensation even if its just for a couple of 2nd rounders.. But its fine I guess.
I would have expected the same. Some sort of future draft capital. I hate to see him go, I definitely prefer him to Buddy. But I am happy for him.
Mil gave up all the picks for Jrue. Do you want a 2nd?
I’d take a second. Maybe we could package three seconds for a late first or something.
Could be right… Lets see if they have something else up their sleeve.
Do I want a second?. Not especially. But, 2nds can become firsts, and that is how the team will eventually become better.
Bucks 2nd is going to be close to dead last. I get it but Bogi may have signed with Atlanta and we get nothing. Donte is something.
I think they own the rights to the Pacers second next season. You never know that one might get thrown into the deal when this is all said and done.
Maybe some pick swaps in the 2030’s
i guess DJ Wilson is from Northern California which is cool?
Not the most exciting haul for a fan favorite like bogi, but divincenzo is something.
So can this deal still collapse if Bogi does not come to terms with the Bucks, or doesn’t it work that way?
if not, then how does it work?
That is what I want to know. What are the terms and what if another team comes in with a better offer for Bogi before Friday. He can’t sign an official offer sheet until then.
An example would be the Hawks offering the same money and a better S&T package. Kings could just match the Bucks offer, tell them to walk then trade Bogi down the road to ATL for better assets.
I think the Kings are going to end up under the cap. That’s how they are going to pull the S&T off without having to involve a 3rd team. The question is what money they offload. Bjelica and Parker are a strong bet to be off the roster.
Bjelica is a great value… I would hate to see him go
He’s valuable, but I don’t see the Kings paying him. I think finances will be guiding these moves.
I don’t think this gets unofficially announced unless Bogi’s agent already knew what all of Bogi’s potential suitors were prepared to offer.
One little interest tidbit: Bogi and Poku have the same agent. Maybe there was a little you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours going on here.
It wouldn’t hurt the Kings to keep the agent happy dealing with them.
He’s Bjelica’s agent as well, so that could be interesting in the next couple of days. It would be kind of a dick move to trade him to a team that was planning on waiving him before his guarantee date. I doubt Bjelly is going to get $7 million this year as a free agent.
(the Kings are totally within their rights to wave him or trade him to a team that plans on waiving him. It’s still kind of dick move tho)
Not a good start for McNair IMO, but kind of got handcuffed for any potential draft picks after the Pelicans already emptied the Bucks pockets
Seems a little underwhelming considering the haul the pelicans got for jrue. Well, hope monte keeps making more moves.
A sign and trade is always harder to maximize because you need the player to cooperate.
Also, Holiday is a superior player to Bogi.
Oh, I’m not saying bogi is a better player than holiday. I’m just wondering if holiday is that much better than bogi that you went full stepien for him.
Advanced summary stats are far from perfect, but the last two years as the Kings and Pelicans where the Kings have won more games (so not team quality related):
Holiday BPM
2019: 3.0
2020: 1.8
Bogi BPM
2019: -0.6
2020: 0.6
So yes, Holiday is a fantastic two way player who is better on both sides of the ball. That said, Bogi is a nice player and will look much better playing next to Holiday, Giannis, and Middleton. However, Holiday is certainly worth more, especially given it is not a sign-and-trade.
Holiday has been an all-star, and he’s a very good defender. Over the past three seasons, he’s averaged 19.8 ppg and 6.8 assist per game. Bobo shoots better from three, but Jrue’s eFG% is higher. Holiday is a demonstrably better player than Son of Bogdan.
Having said all that, I’ll miss watching him play for the Kings. He absolutely has a knack for big moments, and he’ll finally get to have a lot more of them in which to shine. I’m glad Monte took care of him and got him to a great team where he’ll be an excellent fit.
I’m also pretty jazzed about getting DiVincenzo.
Yes, I think Donte is being undervalued here. Solid two way player who is only 24 (soon) and will make 3.0 and 4.6 million the next two years.
And with Bogi we’d have over $33M per year invested in pure SGs. Even if we don’t move Hield, if Donte can give us 75% of what Bogi would have, but for ~20-25% of the price, that’s good cap management.
It’s basically what teams like Toronto have done where instead of overpaying someone like CoJo after they were in the playoffs, they replace their role players with cheaper guys on rookie contracts. Unless it’s a true 6th man of the year contender, there’s only so much you can pay a bench player.
Ok, I can feel a little bit better about this trade.
I haven’t really seen much of Donte but hopefully he’s going to be solid for us. Bogi is my 2nd favorite after Fox.
Sorry, struggling with this:
I’ll take the better player, please. Unless Bogi is getting an over-the-top offer from Milwaukee, which is really hard to picture.
And personally, I think Donte is being overvalued by many. Solid defender? Sure. Offensively, he’s a weak shooter from distance, not much of a passer, and (like most of the Bucks, I’m sure) benefited greatly from having Giannis on the floor.
I suspect the guy is just not very good. And Wilson is a 25 year old power forward whose true shooting was under 50% last season.
Pretty underwhelming return for a player of Bogi’s talent level, at least on the face of it.
Probably in the $15-17M per year range. That’s a lot invested in two pure SGs where neither is an all star or a true 6th man of the year candidate. Teams like the Raptors constantly have rotated from successful role players people though they should resign for cheaper guys on rookie contacts (i.e., Vasquez -> Lou Will -> CoJo -> Wright -> VanVleet).
Vlade put us in a poor cap situation and McNair is unwinding it. We can certainly debate if this is a good trade or if Mcnair could have gotten more (did he have a better deal two days ago?!?!?!). But this is a bit of a reality of proper cap management.
We’ll see. He was 23 last year and in 23 minutes averaged 9-5-2 despite being a #4ish option with 17% usage. His advanced metrics are good – 1.3 BPM, 1.3 VORP, 2.1 RPM (#8 SG) – but we agree come with the huge caveat the Bucks are a great team and Giannis has a halo effect on the other players, so I don’t anticipate he would have been as good here.
Look, in a vacuum, I would have preferred Bogi over Donte. But getting a young, solid player with room to grow who is making $3M and $4.6M the next two years instead of $16-$17M is a reality of cap management given this role is probably playing 20-25mpg.
He doesn’t appear (at this point) to be a guy who fits well offensively alongside your best player and future of the franchise. I’m not getting my hopes up.
And I’d be shocked if Bogi got that much annually, unless it’s already been announced and I missed it.
I think Buddy & BB8 could both be true 6th men of the year candidates (depending on which 1 of them was coming off the bench).
Would you rather pay Bogi and have a core of Barnes, Buddy, Fox, and Bogi taking up all the cap for the foreseeable future? A core that can’t make the playoffs?
Are those the only options? Either this deal he just made or your scenario?
It seems like Donte’s quite good on defense, but I’m not seeing anything that indicates that he’s good on offense (though he’s young enough that his offense could probably improve somewhat).
What’s frustrating is that this trade makes Fox the only good playmaker on the Kings (though the Kings might be able to fix that to a certain extent thru the draft).
Agreed Richie. We’ll see what the rest of the offseason brings. And hell, that might not matter, McNair might not care too much about this season’s performance.
The kid managed to shine on one of the biggest stages in sport. I really think he’s got a chance to be a solid rotation player, or even a starter.
College basketball =/= the NBA.
I always forget that college players lose all of their athleticism, skill, instincts, and basketball knowledge after their last games.
Makes me wonder why NBA teams draft college players at all. There’s just never any correlation between what a player displays in college, and what he might be capable of in the NBA. Thank you for reminding me that DD has probably forgotten how to jump straight up into the air. I suppose that playing for and learning from an elite coach like Budenholzer won’t translate because Milwaukee is in a separate time zone from Sacramento.
My general experience indicates that players who perform at a high level in college very often become good NBA players, even though college basketball =/= the NBA.
But as ever, what do I know?
College basketball players face a lot of players who aren’t good enough to play in the NBA, which can make them look better than they actually are. Not every good college player is good in the NBA (Frank Mason & Jimmer are 2 Kings-related examples). Donte’s good on defense, but his offense has to improve.
How would you explain Zion Williamson or any of the myriad of other high-level college players that have succeeded in the NBA? Just an unrelated, decades-long series of flukes?
Sarcasm aside, Donte didn’t perform at an especially elite level in college. He was a good 6th man as a junior on a loaded team. Probably somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best player on that team (jockeying for position with Spellman and Paschall). He had an excellent shooting game in the finals and that gave him a ton of helium. But as noted, we’ve seen a ton of players like him that have been solid college players with a couple break out performances in the Tourney that, for one reason or another, haven’t been able to make an impact in the NBA. Heck, we only have to look to our own Justin Jackson’s star turn in the NCAAs for recent evidence. The 7 NCCA Tourney Outstanding Players around Donte were Luke Hancock, Shabazz Napier, Tyus Jones, Ryan Acidiacono, Joel Berry II, Donte, and our own Kyle Guy. When you look down the full list you get about a 4:1 ration of impact NBA players to “just a guys.” It doesn’t mean they forgot how to play. It just means that the NBA is an entirely different level, and the things that allowed guys to succeed in college aren’t necessarily enough to succeed at a higher level. Obviously, the biggest difference is that each year, the top players in the NCAA leave. So guys that stay multiple years have an advantage in maturity and development that they won’t have in the NBA.
TL:DR version: Justin Jackson says no.
upvoted for the general snarkiness
I guess we can call it trade envy. I’m getting more ok with what the kings got back, but it still seems to me teams are paying inflated prices for Covington and holiday. Then again, if the blazers make it to the finals or the bucks win it all, then it doesn’t matter what they paid.
I think Holiday is a great player, but I was surprised that the Pels got back three first-rounders. I guess when you’re always picking in the 27-30 range, the picks are pretty effectively devalued.
I would imagine that most teams would prefer to have the 31st pick instead of the 30th. Contracts are a lot cheaper, they aren’t guaranteed, etc.
I was listening to the ringer podcast today. KOC mentioned Atlanta was pursuing Bogi with a sizable offer(20m range) that we would’ve had to match to keep him. Also, Bogi had all the leverage. He could’ve said no to the sign and trade to Atlanta or anyone else. Looks Monte got the best he can considering the circumstances.
Let the new rebuild begin.
“Meet the new build, same as the old build…”
Well, I’ll say this for McNair…at least there were no pick swaps in this trade.
I think this is a good deal. Maybe the Bucks wouldn’t have been able to give Bogi a big offer, but other teams could have. It would’ve been dumb for kings to match. So they get a couple young players for someone they were likely going to lose anyways. They also do Bogi and his agent a solid by facilitating a deal to where he probably wanted to go.
I am not happy to see Bogi go. Not the least reason being I bought a Bogi jersey less than a year ago.
Don’t feel too bad, my first Kings jersey in over a decade was a Hield jersey last year right before he got benched.
This seems to be about saving money, for better or worse. Plus there’s some potential with Divecenzo and Wilson.
But…..I think it illustrates how badly ownership is hurting money wise. Hope I’m wrong, though. I’d love this to be a basketball decision.
Agreed.
Or it is (also) about keeping Buddy – and by extension, Vivek – happy. Vivek gets to keep his favorite toy, while not breaking the bank to retain Bogi.
Time will tell.
Team in fiscal peril trades a very good but pricey player for two cheaper but lesser players.
I think it’s about managing the cap versus pure financial savings. Had noted in the past on STR that the last year and a half were critical and Vlade spent that time handing out big contracts.
Now, especially with the cap not growing as aggressively as originally projected, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to have $33M+ per year invested in 2 players who are basically pure SGs. If we are going to build around Fox, we need to clear the cap a bit and surround him with the right supporting cast.
I still think there is a good chance Hield is moved and another wing is drafted tomorrow, which refills our SG minutes much younger and cheaper.
And I would be shocked if Cojo and Barnes are on the roster to start next season (2021-2022), even if we have to wait for Barnes’ salary to come down a bit for next year.
If Divencenzo could shoot, or run an offense for a small batch of minutes at at time, why wouldn’t Milwaukee keep him? He’s cheaper.
I think you are doing some mental gymnastics to justify this. The Kings were in a losing position, what they didn’t take back was a complete poo poo platter to make Bogi happy ultimately.
It wasn’t a win in absolute terms, and it saved ownership money. But at least there is a NBA player coming back who isn’t breaking the bank the next 2 years in DD. That’s something.
But that doesn’t make it a great deal. It’s just making some lemonade out of a losing hand.
Yeah, this is kind of where I am. I take no issue with moving Bogdan, but the return here is pretty underwhelming.
And the speed at which this was done does feel like it’s simply intended to reduce salary.
Because Bogi is a better player and the Bucks are not only trying to win now, but they are also trying to show Giannis they upgraded the roster to convince him to stay. Bogi helps in both regards.
The Bucks want a 33mpg+ starter who fits well between Holiday and Giannis and are getting that with Bogi. Honestly, Bogi is a near perfect fit for them.
We likely need a 20-23mpg backup to fit behind Hield or tomorrow’s draft pick and Donte at 20% of Bogi’s price and hopefully about 75% of his production does that.
It’s basically different strategies, they are less concerned about long-term cap management and want to increase their overall talent to win now. We are preserving cap flexibility and keeping younger, cheaper assets.
Basically, if this were poker, the Bucks are going “all in” and we are folding this hand and sacrificing a few chips, while still preserving our stack in order to compete in future hands.
I understand what’s happening here Junkie. But the thing is: I don’t care whether or not ownership saves money or this appears that management values production to contract.
Ultimately it’s the product on the court I’m interested in, and frankly this deal is uninspiring. I don’t think there’s anything to be done with it, but I’m not going to praise an uninspiring deal. Just because you had to put lipstick on a pig doesn’t mean the pig should have lipstick applied on it’s lips. It’s still lipstick on a pig.
That said, I’m not upset at McNair here. He didn’t lose this deal, Vlade did. He’s cleaning up the mess. But cleaning up a mess is just that: Cleaning up.
What will impress me is if the Kings can help DD develop into the player they are hoping he can become. THAT would be something, that would be new.
Value to contract? Who gives a shit? It ain’t my money.
Fair enough, we will have to see about the product on the court. I am not expecting much this year, except a younger team and a more up-tempo offense.
I think the real improvement comes in two years after a high pick next year. I think this move though – right or wrong, good or bad – is about cap management versus Vivek being cheap.
The problem is we start those future hands with the same cards we folded. I mean, it’s great you didn’t waste assets chasing a pot you were never going to take, but you’re still working on a 2-7 off-suit.
Right, this poker analogy is going to start falling apart, but we either need to be dealt better hands / catch cards on flop (i.e., draft luck) or we need to win a couple hands with good bluffs / play.
Just like in Poker, Vlade left us with a relative short stack against some players with far more assets than we have. McNair will need to add to our stack and make a big move at some point (or get lucky) in order for us to complete with the top teams.
But it’s better to fold a hand a preserve chips at times instead of making a bad play because you have some chips in the pot.
Hard to say too much based on one move, so I am not upset with or celebrating McNair for this. But I understand the logic and we’ll have to see what else he does. over the next couple of days (or even the next 24 hours) to get a better sense of the overall direction.
Here’s the thing. I’m ticked off at the situation, not McNair, not moving on from Bogi, not acquiring DD here as the primary piece of the trade. It’s moving the franchise in yet another direction, I’m just tired of the constant mismanagement of assets. And I know you are too.
McNair, I have a feeling, is going to get plenty of blame for being the adult and professional in the room from the fanbase who is less understanding.
I’m interested to see what McNair can do differently, if he even can.
Yeah, if it does come back that Bogi’s getting 10 or 12 per year, we’ll know it’s a money thing. You keep Bogi at that price.
On its own, I’d agree, but when your shooting guard position is costing you $33 million per year, you’d expect that it would generate numbers among the best in the league.
Depending on what happens with the draft, I’m inclined to think Hield will be sent off. All he needs is a decent start of the season, and Sacramento should have some pretty decent offers to consider.
Unless the Kings and Bucks have a 3rd team involved for several of these players, it’s going to be hard to see how Bogi gets 12-16 million. Lower than that, it’s clearly about the money.
I don’t think it’s a franchise altering deal either way, but it’s not encouraging if you can’t manage to pay Bogi at 10 million a year.
I don’t see the point of paying Bogi even $10-12M to play on a non-competitive team. Unless he makes a leap in ability/production while he’s under contract, Bogi as an asset he will only depreciate as he gets older.
You’re better off tanking, which increases the value of your draft picks, and exchanging for assets that could peak in value in 2-3 years time when Fox will be in his prime and maybe some of the other teams dominating the West (LAL, GS, LAC, DEN) might start to trend downward.
I see it more about asset management than pure payroll cutting. Cap space is also an asset via signing value contracts or absorbing bad contracts for compensation. So I don’t think you can say for certain it’s about meeting payroll until we know what the Kings do with the additional cap space that opens next season.
Anyone know about Divicenzo? His numbers look good. Can he play defense?
Yup he’s a solid defender.. Much better than Bogi in that regard.
Cool! It’s a good guard rotation with him, Buddy and Fox. Hopefully we can get Patterson or Vassell in the draft. HB can mentor either. Then roll with Holmes and Bagley on front court. Resign Len for backup.
I think Len and probably Giles is gone. Wilson could easily be their replacement.. Haven’t watched a ton but he is young and I honestly would want to see what Wilson can bring to this team with him playing consistent minutes.
Ah dang I liked Len for his size, rebounding and defense. Jabari Parker probably goner as well? That man can get buckets. Who do u want in the draft?
Good chance Parker sticks or is a candidate to be traded as well..Not really sure but I think Bjelly is certainly gone which opens up a spot for Jabari to play the 4.
If we stick at #12, my preference is Aaron Nesmith. But honestly with little data we have on these prospects, I’ll be happy with whoever we end up.. Maxey, Lewis, Poku or if one of the top 10 guys drop like Hayes or Haliburton, I’ll be fine with it as well.
Damn a lineup of Fox Buddy Nesmith Parker and Bagley would be scoring like crazy
my hope is DJ Wilson gets those minutes at the 4, not Parker
I see DJ Wilson play more of the 5. Watch a little bit of clips and he can actually shoot from the outside which means he could play along side Bagley.
Mixed emotions
On the one hand Bogi was probably my favorite person not named fox on the team and I really think we could of gotten more, not getting a single pick for Bogi doesn’t sit right with me
On the other Hand of this is trade #1 in a series of moves to blow up what little we have and reset then I can get down with it.
Buddy is hopefully gone, we need to get much better assests for him than Bogi, we need to sell high
Divecenzo is still a pretty decent get all things considered. He fits the roster timeline much better than Bogi does
Gonna be hard seeing #8 move on to a real contending team but if this is step #1 in blowing up the king’s “young superteam” I’m 100% down
I’m actually okay with the haul tbh. Bogi would have demanded a huge payday and instead we get Divicenzo and Wilson. I would agree that if we could have gotten a pick even if its just a couple of 2nd’s I’ll be really happy but it is what it is.. Not to stoke but not to sad about this deal either.
So Buddy is now backing up Divicenzo- he’s going to be so happy now!
Gut reaction, unimpressed…haven’t watch a ton of DD before. BUT, watching some highlights and looking at his above average defense, I’m liking this more. I think a lot of us would have been pleased if the Kings had got the 24th pick and a player for Bogi. Good chance DD is better than anyone the Kings get at 24. Maybe people wanted 24 and DD? He’s cheap for next couple years and if he pans out the Kings control his rights. I think he can be a solid part of an 8 man rotation. Quick reflection I give this a solid B. Time for Buddy to step up and shut up
This is where I’m at tbh.. If Mcnair could just have gotten a pick in there we would probably dance for joy.. Divicenzo is a really good player and adding Wilson + a potential pick would have been really nice. But after taking a little bit of analyzing in my part I think I’m a little bit okay with the haul.
Damn, just saw on twitter…
R2 leaving as well? Damn it!
Not the greatest deal, but I guess it’s better than a slap in the face if we’re going to lose Bogi, And I guess it’s better than doing something smart like choosing Bagley over Doncic
I’m ok with this. Draft picks are shiny and come with four cheap years, but we still get control over two decent assets for awhile. Donte has shown potential, and I’m interested to see what Wilson shows with more run time.
Maybe we can make some movies now.
Nailed it. He’s what would happen if Daniel Desario grew up shooting hoops in Europe instead of smoking dope in Michigan parking lots. He won’t see a second of playing time, but my wife doing double takes every time the camera passes him on the bench is worth the roster spot, in my opinion.
I kinda like the move. Donte is the kind of player that can thrive in Sacramento. Especially when the fans come back after this covid crap.
Dare I say this somewhat underwhelming sign and trade deal McNair just pulled out is better than ANY deal Vlade had done the last 5 years?!
Sad to see Bogi go, but actually happy on the return. Would rather see young potential on the roster and I love what Donte brings to the team. DJ Wilson seems interesting, Ilysova can spread the floor for the other bigs. I would’ve loved a pick, but I’ll take this.
I still want to trade Buddy for some draft picks and young assets. A Philly trade that includes Thybulle would make an interesting defensive backcourt combined with Donte and Fox.
I think we got a good backcourt already with Fox, Buddy and Donte. Buddy is a 20 ppg scorer at an efficient rate. Unless we can unload his contract for cheap or he really doesn’t want to be here, we should keep him
I agree on Wilson. There may be some untapped potential there and how cool is it that he’s from Mt. freaking Shasta!
And went to Capital Christian HS here in Sacramento.
I would love to know what McNair internally thinks is doable with Buddy. On one level I think he’s going to be very hard to move in an attractive way for the Kings. If poor longterm money is heavily contingent in a deal I see Monte holding tight. I also think this trade is a reflection of the difficulty Hield is as a trade asset.
But I think this is important to say in lieu of this deal. If Hield stays and is poor the argument of we should have kept Bogi and tried to trade Hield at this point is void. Again I see this trade as a reflection of that difficulty. It was also too late to have that debate.
I said repeatedly that had to take place prior to the Hield extension, and that Vlade had to make a choice of the two or not offer the Hield the extension. It was clear then Hields deal was poor and would lead to complications. Those circumstances have led to what i surmise was the best option considering. Thats the context to which to judge McNair moving forward.
Maybe I am giving too much rope but if Hield isn’t moved its likely because he’s really not moveable. Thats a reality that was plausible outcome and falls on Vlade’s shoulders. And it’s a testament to Monte that this trade looks sound regardless of that context.
I hope a good trade for Hield exist but I don’t think thats likely. As thats the case this trade makes even more sense in my view. And it has merits of being wise regardless.
I like it…a lot. Next up, move Buddy.
Yep. I’ve got a feeling there are moves to come.
Damn, so much for this t-shirt.
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Just make donte wear #8…problem solved? ð¬
D8 is a good, if awkward, nickname.
From BB8 to DD8! I like it!
Maybe DD will wear 8 instead of 0?
Maybe get Barnes to switch from 10 to 20?
Just as an aside but I think Bogi is signing for about 10 million. Since it’s going to be tough to get the Kings under the cap, and since BYC is only triggered on raises that exceeded 20% over the previous season’s salary, it might make sense the Kings make a deal for Bogi getting a salary that doesn’t break the bank but allows the Kings to take a full dollar trade back. It’s also the only way for Milwaukee to pull this off without including a 3rd team.
really hoping this is what the guard depth looks like by the end of this week:
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(not sure why I replied to you on that one!)
I see a lot of white guys…is this to support the tank? (Edited: Ok by depth I’m guessing you mean we still have fox and traded buddy.)
also i haven’t heard anything recently about nico mannion. Has his draft stock dropped a lot?
Lol I just think it would be funny to corner the market of red headed guards!
Ginger Bread Bros?
That is the missing piece to the puzzle. I was trying to figure out what MIL’s offer to Bogey was going to be based on the salaries coming back. I believe it is a combined $14,592,440, so I was guessing a contract starting around $14M/year.
I think it’s probably more than $10M. While there is a wrinkle with the BYC rules, the Bucks sent us back ~$14.5M in salary (Ilyasova $7M, Donte $3M, Wilson $4.5M). Even subtracting out James’ $1.5M, that would still be $13M.
Here’s an estimate of 4 years, $70Mstarting at a little over $16M:
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I think that makes sense and sounds about right for him. Didn’t know if he would quite get there with COVID and the decreased cap, but that’s about where you would have pegged him.
Yeah, that sounds about right for him.
And more to the point – given our cap situation and timeline – I don’t know that it makes sense for us to be paying Bogi a ~4/%70M contract.
Not to pretend that McNair has no agency or this isn’t his move, but really Vlade put us in a bit of a cap bind and this is part of unwinding it.
Yeah, though I wonder if it couldn’t have been unwound more effectively if they were willing to take their time in unwinding it.
Fair question, but at least with Bogi, unless you were going to match at ~$17.5 per season and risk no injuries, good play for more value later, there wasn’t a ton of extra time here.
Does Bogi get that type of offer on the open market? Could the Bucks have even given him that offer as an RFA and worked the sign-and-trade with the Kings after?
I doubt ~$17.5 million was a fait accompli for Bogi.
All BYC is is the trade value is half of the total salary outgoing for the trading team (i.e the Kings can only take 8 million back if Bogi’s salary is 16 million).
It’ll be interesting to see how the Kings navigate this if Bogi’s salary is closer to 16 million.
Agreed
I think his salary will be between $12.5- $14.5 million. If the official sign and trade is Bogi for Ilyasova and DJ, it works both on the Kings end with 2019 salaries and on the Bucks end up to a $14.5 million salary for Bogi in 2020. Switch Donte for DJ and it’s limited to around $12.5 million salary for Bogi. The Kings then trade JJ for the remaining player.
I could be reading the sign-and-trade restrictions incorrectly but that’s my best guess.
What, no Oriaki?
Seems like an okay return. A pick would’ve been nice though.
Goodbye Bogi. Even if you were with the horde.