The Sacramento Kings are sending Bogdan Bogdanovic to the Milwaukee Bucks in a sign and trade deal, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. The Kings will receive back Donte DiVincenzo, DJ Wilson, and Ersan Ilyasova.
The Bucks are trading Donte Divincenzo. Ersan Ilyasova and DJ Wilson in the deal to the Kings, sources said. https://t.co/Vrho6gZQhH
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
This trade cannot be completed until 11/22 when the FA moratorium is lifted. https://t.co/waptFSdSjx
— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) November 17, 2020
Woj also reports that Justin James is included in the trade.
Kings will also send Justin James to the Bucks in the deal, per sources.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
Oh, and we should also mention that free agency doesn’t start until Friday, so it’s unclear how this deal is allowed to be agreed to without violating tampering rules. Alas.
This is Monte McNair’s first move as the new GM of the Kings, and it is a move of significance. Bogdan Bogdanovic’s restricted free agency was always set to be one of McNair’s earliest tests, and provide insight as to how he plans to reshape the team. If McNair was unwilling to match a big contract for Bogi, a sign and trade made sense. And although the return is largely uninspiring, DiVincenzo is a solid player. Sign and trade deals a notorious for not netting a significant return.
This decision could also signal somewhat of a domino effect for the Kings. With Bogi gone, Buddy Hield would be in line to resume his role as the starting shooting guard for the Kings. Much of Buddy’s frustration last season came as a result of being benched in favor of Bogdanovic. Would a return to the starting lineup begin to heal old wounds?
Of course, McNair could also choose to still trade Buddy Hield. Is this one prudent move to prevent losing a player for nothing, or is this the beginning of a series of moves to tear down and rebuild the roster? Only McNair knows for sure.
While it’s sad to see Bogi go, I’m happy to see him end up in a great situation. Playing with Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jrue Holiday on a team vying for a title is a great situation for Bogi. He was clearly frustrated at times in his Kings career with the constant losing, but was less publicly vocal than Buddy Hield. Acquiring the rights to Bogdan was one of the better moves Vlade Divac made in his tenure, and it’s widely assumed that had he stayed in charge Vlade would have re-signed Bogi no matter the cost.
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A Kings move?
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Hopefully by making the East stronger, we increase the Philly need for Buddy to keep up with the Simmons and Embiid timeline. Take back Horford’s contract, give them Buddy (maybe Barnes too) for a truckload of future picks. Let them keep Thybulle and Zhaire Smith and their 2020 pick.
No. Horford sucks. This is not about his expiring contract and it’s definitely not 2007. It’s his level of suckiness. Bring in someone that will make an immediate impact. I wouldn’t mind sending Buddy and Barnes for Harris, Richardson and their 21st this year. They easily slide in as starters. We still keep or 12th pick and we now have pieces to move up in the draft…IF, we wanted to.
Furthermore ð¤ ð¤ 𤠅what about Cojo, Bags, and a 2nd rounder for Dunn and Markkanen?????????!!!!!!!!
Scratch my first thought above. I like this one. A 2nd unit of Dunn and Divenchenzo would be relentless on defense. Markkanen is pretty skilled and provides spacing.
I like the Breaking Banner .. good to give it a test! I think it should have a link to a article though?
I really want an explanation on how this deal happened before free agency has begun. If the Bucks were talking with Bogi’s camp, isn’t that tampering?
Also, how is Justin James included on this because a sign and trade can’t involve multiple players. I have so many questions about this.
I assume the JJ part of the trade can happen now, and the rest will be completed on the 22nd. I would think we’ll also hear that the Bucks are sending cash compensation to the Kings to offset the cost of buying out Ilyasova.
I think the league will probably just look the other way this season since the offseason is so condensed.
Then there is no going back from here on out. Precedent is being set. I guess we are now doing free agency before the draft.
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Clearly, all parties involved were on board with it.
It’ not a normal FA period, I don’t care that the Bucks ‘tampered’ here. It’s meaningless. There’s so much going on, you don’t wait until things are official. You want to lock things in as soon as possible if possible.
I’m curious to see how the Kings pull this deal off if Bogi’s deal is 10.5+ million dollars to start. But I bet McNair and Wilcox have figured that out already, it’s just a matter of allowing time and a 3rd team taking on Ilyasova at this point.
The league has failed to police tampering to the point that teams don’t even care about having it leak that they’ve agreed to deals with free agents before free agency even begins. It’s disappointing how much the league let’s players and teams get away with now. Why’s the point of even having rules in place?
Can’t the Kings sign talk to their own guy?
It is what it is Bogi wanted to compete and Sac isn’t ready to pay to make up for not being competitive. I wish him well.
Agreed! I guess this is the beginning where we could see some changes in the NBA really soon. If this becomes the norm, I think the NBA should go with the plan of free agency starts first before the draft which I am totally okay with.
Same.
Just take a page from the NHL’s playbook & allow FA’s to visit teams before free agency begins.
Donte is a good partner besides Fox. Monte knows what he wants with this team. Looks like the Speed Kings are back on track.
Except you have a backcourt with no outside shooting.
Do you think Donte has the ability to improve his shooting? I see he improved from his rookie to 2nd year in 3pt%, but he’s not Bogi from beyond the arc. Much better defensively. My concern would be can Donte develop into, well, anything good in our “system.”
He certainly could. That will be an important part of figuring out how much he can be on the floor with Fox.
Wow.
I’m happy to not be paying bogi. Plus they turned it into more assets. Now trade Holmes and bjelica.
Don’t know how I would feel about this.. I mean I’m okay parting ways with Bogie but I would have expected some draft compensation even if its just for a couple of 2nd rounders.. But its fine I guess.
I would have expected the same. Some sort of future draft capital. I hate to see him go, I definitely prefer him to Buddy. But I am happy for him.
Mil gave up all the picks for Jrue. Do you want a 2nd?
I’d take a second. Maybe we could package three seconds for a late first or something.
Could be right… Lets see if they have something else up their sleeve.
Do I want a second?. Not especially. But, 2nds can become firsts, and that is how the team will eventually become better.
Bucks 2nd is going to be close to dead last. I get it but Bogi may have signed with Atlanta and we get nothing. Donte is something.
I think they own the rights to the Pacers second next season. You never know that one might get thrown into the deal when this is all said and done.
Maybe some pick swaps in the 2030’s
i guess DJ Wilson is from Northern California which is cool?
Not the most exciting haul for a fan favorite like bogi, but divincenzo is something.
So can this deal still collapse if Bogi does not come to terms with the Bucks, or doesn’t it work that way?
if not, then how does it work?
That is what I want to know. What are the terms and what if another team comes in with a better offer for Bogi before Friday. He can’t sign an official offer sheet until then.
An example would be the Hawks offering the same money and a better S&T package. Kings could just match the Bucks offer, tell them to walk then trade Bogi down the road to ATL for better assets.
I think the Kings are going to end up under the cap. That’s how they are going to pull the S&T off without having to involve a 3rd team. The question is what money they offload. Bjelica and Parker are a strong bet to be off the roster.
Bjelica is a great value… I would hate to see him go
He’s valuable, but I don’t see the Kings paying him. I think finances will be guiding these moves.
I don’t think this gets unofficially announced unless Bogi’s agent already knew what all of Bogi’s potential suitors were prepared to offer.
One little interest tidbit: Bogi and Poku have the same agent. Maybe there was a little you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours going on here.
It wouldn’t hurt the Kings to keep the agent happy dealing with them.
He’s Bjelica’s agent as well, so that could be interesting in the next couple of days. It would be kind of a dick move to trade him to a team that was planning on waiving him before his guarantee date. I doubt Bjelly is going to get $7 million this year as a free agent.
(the Kings are totally within their rights to wave him or trade him to a team that plans on waiving him. It’s still kind of dick move tho)
Not a good start for McNair IMO, but kind of got handcuffed for any potential draft picks after the Pelicans already emptied the Bucks pockets
Seems a little underwhelming considering the haul the pelicans got for jrue. Well, hope monte keeps making more moves.
A sign and trade is always harder to maximize because you need the player to cooperate.
Also, Holiday is a superior player to Bogi.
Oh, I’m not saying bogi is a better player than holiday. I’m just wondering if holiday is that much better than bogi that you went full stepien for him.
Advanced summary stats are far from perfect, but the last two years as the Kings and Pelicans where the Kings have won more games (so not team quality related):
Holiday BPM
2019: 3.0
2020: 1.8
Bogi BPM
2019: -0.6
2020: 0.6
So yes, Holiday is a fantastic two way player who is better on both sides of the ball. That said, Bogi is a nice player and will look much better playing next to Holiday, Giannis, and Middleton. However, Holiday is certainly worth more, especially given it is not a sign-and-trade.
Holiday has been an all-star, and he’s a very good defender. Over the past three seasons, he’s averaged 19.8 ppg and 6.8 assist per game. Bobo shoots better from three, but Jrue’s eFG% is higher. Holiday is a demonstrably better player than Son of Bogdan.
Having said all that, I’ll miss watching him play for the Kings. He absolutely has a knack for big moments, and he’ll finally get to have a lot more of them in which to shine. I’m glad Monte took care of him and got him to a great team where he’ll be an excellent fit.
I’m also pretty jazzed about getting DiVincenzo.
Yes, I think Donte is being undervalued here. Solid two way player who is only 24 (soon) and will make 3.0 and 4.6 million the next two years.
And with Bogi we’d have over $33M per year invested in pure SGs. Even if we don’t move Hield, if Donte can give us 75% of what Bogi would have, but for ~20-25% of the price, that’s good cap management.
It’s basically what teams like Toronto have done where instead of overpaying someone like CoJo after they were in the playoffs, they replace their role players with cheaper guys on rookie contracts. Unless it’s a true 6th man of the year contender, there’s only so much you can pay a bench player.
Ok, I can feel a little bit better about this trade.
I haven’t really seen much of Donte but hopefully he’s going to be solid for us. Bogi is my 2nd favorite after Fox.
Sorry, struggling with this:
I’ll take the better player, please. Unless Bogi is getting an over-the-top offer from Milwaukee, which is really hard to picture.
And personally, I think Donte is being overvalued by many. Solid defender? Sure. Offensively, he’s a weak shooter from distance, not much of a passer, and (like most of the Bucks, I’m sure) benefited greatly from having Giannis on the floor.
I suspect the guy is just not very good. And Wilson is a 25 year old power forward whose true shooting was under 50% last season.
Pretty underwhelming return for a player of Bogi’s talent level, at least on the face of it.
Probably in the $15-17M per year range. That’s a lot invested in two pure SGs where neither is an all star or a true 6th man of the year candidate. Teams like the Raptors constantly have rotated from successful role players people though they should resign for cheaper guys on rookie contacts (i.e., Vasquez -> Lou Will -> CoJo -> Wright -> VanVleet).
Vlade put us in a poor cap situation and McNair is unwinding it. We can certainly debate if this is a good trade or if Mcnair could have gotten more (did he have a better deal two days ago?!?!?!). But this is a bit of a reality of proper cap management.
We’ll see. He was 23 last year and in 23 minutes averaged 9-5-2 despite being a #4ish option with 17% usage. His advanced metrics are good – 1.3 BPM, 1.3 VORP, 2.1 RPM (#8 SG) – but we agree come with the huge caveat the Bucks are a great team and Giannis has a halo effect on the other players, so I don’t anticipate he would have been as good here.
Look, in a vacuum, I would have preferred Bogi over Donte. But getting a young, solid player with room to grow who is making $3M and $4.6M the next two years instead of $16-$17M is a reality of cap management given this role is probably playing 20-25mpg.
He doesn’t appear (at this point) to be a guy who fits well offensively alongside your best player and future of the franchise. I’m not getting my hopes up.
And I’d be shocked if Bogi got that much annually, unless it’s already been announced and I missed it.
I think Buddy & BB8 could both be true 6th men of the year candidates (depending on which 1 of them was coming off the bench).
Would you rather pay Bogi and have a core of Barnes, Buddy, Fox, and Bogi taking up all the cap for the foreseeable future? A core that can’t make the playoffs?
Are those the only options? Either this deal he just made or your scenario?
It seems like Donte’s quite good on defense, but I’m not seeing anything that indicates that he’s good on offense (though he’s young enough that his offense could probably improve somewhat).
What’s frustrating is that this trade makes Fox the only good playmaker on the Kings (though the Kings might be able to fix that to a certain extent thru the draft).
Agreed Richie. We’ll see what the rest of the offseason brings. And hell, that might not matter, McNair might not care too much about this season’s performance.
The kid managed to shine on one of the biggest stages in sport. I really think he’s got a chance to be a solid rotation player, or even a starter.
College basketball =/= the NBA.
I always forget that college players lose all of their athleticism, skill, instincts, and basketball knowledge after their last games.
Makes me wonder why NBA teams draft college players at all. There’s just never any correlation between what a player displays in college, and what he might be capable of in the NBA. Thank you for reminding me that DD has probably forgotten how to jump straight up into the air. I suppose that playing for and learning from an elite coach like Budenholzer won’t translate because Milwaukee is in a separate time zone from Sacramento.
My general experience indicates that players who perform at a high level in college very often become good NBA players, even though college basketball =/= the NBA.
But as ever, what do I know?
College basketball players face a lot of players who aren’t good enough to play in the NBA, which can make them look better than they actually are. Not every good college player is good in the NBA (Frank Mason & Jimmer are 2 Kings-related examples). Donte’s good on defense, but his offense has to improve.
How would you explain Zion Williamson or any of the myriad of other high-level college players that have succeeded in the NBA? Just an unrelated, decades-long series of flukes?
Sarcasm aside, Donte didn’t perform at an especially elite level in college. He was a good 6th man as a junior on a loaded team. Probably somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best player on that team (jockeying for position with Spellman and Paschall). He had an excellent shooting game in the finals and that gave him a ton of helium. But as noted, we’ve seen a ton of players like him that have been solid college players with a couple break out performances in the Tourney that, for one reason or another, haven’t been able to make an impact in the NBA. Heck, we only have to look to our own Justin Jackson’s star turn in the NCAAs for recent evidence. The 7 NCCA Tourney Outstanding Players around Donte were Luke Hancock, Shabazz Napier, Tyus Jones, Ryan Acidiacono, Joel Berry II, Donte, and our own Kyle Guy. When you look down the full list you get about a 4:1 ration of impact NBA players to “just a guys.” It doesn’t mean they forgot how to play. It just means that the NBA is an entirely different level, and the things that allowed guys to succeed in college aren’t necessarily enough to succeed at a higher level. Obviously, the biggest difference is that each year, the top players in the NCAA leave. So guys that stay multiple years have an advantage in maturity and development that they won’t have in the NBA.
TL:DR version: Justin Jackson says no.
upvoted for the general snarkiness
I guess we can call it trade envy. I’m getting more ok with what the kings got back, but it still seems to me teams are paying inflated prices for Covington and holiday. Then again, if the blazers make it to the finals or the bucks win it all, then it doesn’t matter what they paid.
I think Holiday is a great player, but I was surprised that the Pels got back three first-rounders. I guess when you’re always picking in the 27-30 range, the picks are pretty effectively devalued.
I would imagine that most teams would prefer to have the 31st pick instead of the 30th. Contracts are a lot cheaper, they aren’t guaranteed, etc.
I was listening to the ringer podcast today. KOC mentioned Atlanta was pursuing Bogi with a sizable offer(20m range) that we would’ve had to match to keep him. Also, Bogi had all the leverage. He could’ve said no to the sign and trade to Atlanta or anyone else. Looks Monte got the best he can considering the circumstances.
Let the new rebuild begin.
“Meet the new build, same as the old build…”
Well, I’ll say this for McNair…at least there were no pick swaps in this trade.
I think this is a good deal. Maybe the Bucks wouldn’t have been able to give Bogi a big offer, but other teams could have. It would’ve been dumb for kings to match. So they get a couple young players for someone they were likely going to lose anyways. They also do Bogi and his agent a solid by facilitating a deal to where he probably wanted to go.
I am not happy to see Bogi go. Not the least reason being I bought a Bogi jersey less than a year ago.
Don’t feel too bad, my first Kings jersey in over a decade was a Hield jersey last year right before he got benched.
This seems to be about saving money, for better or worse. Plus there’s some potential with Divecenzo and Wilson.
But…..I think it illustrates how badly ownership is hurting money wise. Hope I’m wrong, though. I’d love this to be a basketball decision.
Agreed.
Or it is (also) about keeping Buddy – and by extension, Vivek – happy. Vivek gets to keep his favorite toy, while not breaking the bank to retain Bogi.
Time will tell.
Team in fiscal peril trades a very good but pricey player for two cheaper but lesser players.
I think it’s about managing the cap versus pure financial savings. Had noted in the past on STR that the last year and a half were critical and Vlade spent that time handing out big contracts.
Now, especially with the cap not growing as aggressively as originally projected, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to have $33M+ per year invested in 2 players who are basically pure SGs. If we are going to build around Fox, we need to clear the cap a bit and surround him with the right supporting cast.
I still think there is a good chance Hield is moved and another wing is drafted tomorrow, which refills our SG minutes much younger and cheaper.
And I would be shocked if Cojo and Barnes are on the roster to start next season (2021-2022), even if we have to wait for Barnes’ salary to come down a bit for next year.
If Divencenzo could shoot, or run an offense for a small batch of minutes at at time, why wouldn’t Milwaukee keep him? He’s cheaper.
I think you are doing some mental gymnastics to justify this. The Kings were in a losing position, what they didn’t take back was a complete poo poo platter to make Bogi happy ultimately.
It wasn’t a win in absolute terms, and it saved ownership money. But at least there is a NBA player coming back who isn’t breaking the bank the next 2 years in DD. That’s something.
But that doesn’t make it a great deal. It’s just making some lemonade out of a losing hand.
Yeah, this is kind of where I am. I take no issue with moving Bogdan, but the return here is pretty underwhelming.
And the speed at which this was done does feel like it’s simply intended to reduce salary.
Because Bogi is a better player and the Bucks are not only trying to win now, but they are also trying to show Giannis they upgraded the roster to convince him to stay. Bogi helps in both regards.
The Bucks want a 33mpg+ starter who fits well between Holiday and Giannis and are getting that with Bogi. Honestly, Bogi is a near perfect fit for them.
We likely need a 20-23mpg backup to fit behind Hield or tomorrow’s draft pick and Donte at 20% of Bogi’s price and hopefully about 75% of his production does that.
It’s basically different strategies, they are less concerned about long-term cap management and want to increase their overall talent to win now. We are preserving cap flexibility and keeping younger, cheaper assets.
Basically, if this were poker, the Bucks are going “all in” and we are folding this hand and sacrificing a few chips, while still preserving our stack in order to compete in future hands.
I understand what’s happening here Junkie. But the thing is: I don’t care whether or not ownership saves money or this appears that management values production to contract.
Ultimately it’s the product on the court I’m interested in, and frankly this deal is uninspiring. I don’t think there’s anything to be done with it, but I’m not going to praise an uninspiring deal. Just because you had to put lipstick on a pig doesn’t mean the pig should have lipstick applied on it’s lips. It’s still lipstick on a pig.
That said, I’m not upset at McNair here. He didn’t lose this deal, Vlade did. He’s cleaning up the mess. But cleaning up a mess is just that: Cleaning up.
What will impress me is if the Kings can help DD develop into the player they are hoping he can become. THAT would be something, that would be new.
Value to contract? Who gives a shit? It ain’t my money.
Fair enough, we will have to see about the product on the court. I am not expecting much this year, except a younger team and a more up-tempo offense.
I think the real improvement comes in two years after a high pick next year. I think this move though – right or wrong, good or bad – is about cap management versus Vivek being cheap.
The problem is we start those future hands with the same cards we folded. I mean, it’s great you didn’t waste assets chasing a pot you were never going to take, but you’re still working on a 2-7 off-suit.
Right, this poker analogy is going to start falling apart, but we either need to be dealt better hands / catch cards on flop (i.e., draft luck) or we need to win a couple hands with good bluffs / play.
Just like in Poker, Vlade left us with a relative short stack against some players with far more assets than we have. McNair will need to add to our stack and make a big move at some point (or get lucky) in order for us to complete with the top teams.
But it’s better to fold a hand a preserve chips at times instead of making a bad play because you have some chips in the pot.
Hard to say too much based on one move, so I am not upset with or celebrating McNair for this. But I understand the logic and we’ll have to see what else he does. over the next couple of days (or even the next 24 hours) to get a better sense of the overall direction.
Here’s the thing. I’m ticked off at the situation, not McNair, not moving on from Bogi, not acquiring DD here as the primary piece of the trade. It’s moving the franchise in yet another direction, I’m just tired of the constant mismanagement of assets. And I know you are too.
McNair, I have a feeling, is going to get plenty of blame for being the adult and professional in the room from the fanbase who is less understanding.
I’m interested to see what McNair can do differently, if he even can.
Yeah, if it does come back that Bogi’s getting 10 or 12 per year, we’ll know it’s a money thing. You keep Bogi at that price.
On its own, I’d agree, but when your shooting guard position is costing you $33 million per year, you’d expect that it would generate numbers among the best in the league.
Depending on what happens with the draft, I’m inclined to think Hield will be sent off. All he needs is a decent start of the season, and Sacramento should have some pretty decent offers to consider.
Unless the Kings and Bucks have a 3rd team involved for several of these players, it’s going to be hard to see how Bogi gets 12-16 million. Lower than that, it’s clearly about the money.
I don’t think it’s a franchise altering deal either way, but it’s not encouraging if you can’t manage to pay Bogi at 10 million a year.
I don’t see the point of paying Bogi even $10-12M to play on a non-competitive team. Unless he makes a leap in ability/production while he’s under contract, Bogi as an asset he will only depreciate as he gets older.
You’re better off tanking, which increases the value of your draft picks, and exchanging for assets that could peak in value in 2-3 years time when Fox will be in his prime and maybe some of the other teams dominating the West (LAL, GS, LAC, DEN) might start to trend downward.
I see it more about asset management than pure payroll cutting. Cap space is also an asset via signing value contracts or absorbing bad contracts for compensation. So I don’t think you can say for certain it’s about meeting payroll until we know what the Kings do with the additional cap space that opens next season.
Anyone know about Divicenzo? His numbers look good. Can he play defense?
Yup he’s a solid defender.. Much better than Bogi in that regard.
Cool! It’s a good guard rotation with him, Buddy and Fox. Hopefully we can get Patterson or Vassell in the draft. HB can mentor either. Then roll with Holmes and Bagley on front court. Resign Len for backup.
I think Len and probably Giles is gone. Wilson could easily be their replacement.. Haven’t watched a ton but he is young and I honestly would want to see what Wilson can bring to this team with him playing consistent minutes.
Ah dang I liked Len for his size, rebounding and defense. Jabari Parker probably goner as well? That man can get buckets. Who do u want in the draft?
Good chance Parker sticks or is a candidate to be traded as well..Not really sure but I think Bjelly is certainly gone which opens up a spot for Jabari to play the 4.
If we stick at #12, my preference is Aaron Nesmith. But honestly with little data we have on these prospects, I’ll be happy with whoever we end up.. Maxey, Lewis, Poku or if one of the top 10 guys drop like Hayes or Haliburton, I’ll be fine with it as well.
Damn a lineup of Fox Buddy Nesmith Parker and Bagley would be scoring like crazy
my hope is DJ Wilson gets those minutes at the 4, not Parker
I see DJ Wilson play more of the 5. Watch a little bit of clips and he can actually shoot from the outside which means he could play along side Bagley.
Mixed emotions
On the one hand Bogi was probably my favorite person not named fox on the team and I really think we could of gotten more, not getting a single pick for Bogi doesn’t sit right with me
On the other Hand of this is trade #1 in a series of moves to blow up what little we have and reset then I can get down with it.
Buddy is hopefully gone, we need to get much better assests for him than Bogi, we need to sell high
Divecenzo is still a pretty decent get all things considered. He fits the roster timeline much better than Bogi does
Gonna be hard seeing #8 move on to a real contending team but if this is step #1 in blowing up the king’s “young superteam” I’m 100% down
I’m actually okay with the haul tbh. Bogi would have demanded a huge payday and instead we get Divicenzo and Wilson. I would agree that if we could have gotten a pick even if its just a couple of 2nd’s I’ll be really happy but it is what it is.. Not to stoke but not to sad about this deal either.
So Buddy is now backing up Divicenzo- he’s going to be so happy now!
Gut reaction, unimpressed…haven’t watch a ton of DD before. BUT, watching some highlights and looking at his above average defense, I’m liking this more. I think a lot of us would have been pleased if the Kings had got the 24th pick and a player for Bogi. Good chance DD is better than anyone the Kings get at 24. Maybe people wanted 24 and DD? He’s cheap for next couple years and if he pans out the Kings control his rights. I think he can be a solid part of an 8 man rotation. Quick reflection I give this a solid B. Time for Buddy to step up and shut up
This is where I’m at tbh.. If Mcnair could just have gotten a pick in there we would probably dance for joy.. Divicenzo is a really good player and adding Wilson + a potential pick would have been really nice. But after taking a little bit of analyzing in my part I think I’m a little bit okay with the haul.
Damn, just saw on twitter…
R2 leaving as well? Damn it!
Not the greatest deal, but I guess it’s better than a slap in the face if we’re going to lose Bogi, And I guess it’s better than doing something smart like choosing Bagley over Doncic
I’m ok with this. Draft picks are shiny and come with four cheap years, but we still get control over two decent assets for awhile. Donte has shown potential, and I’m interested to see what Wilson shows with more run time.
Maybe we can make some movies now.
Nailed it. He’s what would happen if Daniel Desario grew up shooting hoops in Europe instead of smoking dope in Michigan parking lots. He won’t see a second of playing time, but my wife doing double takes every time the camera passes him on the bench is worth the roster spot, in my opinion.
I kinda like the move. Donte is the kind of player that can thrive in Sacramento. Especially when the fans come back after this covid crap.
Dare I say this somewhat underwhelming sign and trade deal McNair just pulled out is better than ANY deal Vlade had done the last 5 years?!
Sad to see Bogi go, but actually happy on the return. Would rather see young potential on the roster and I love what Donte brings to the team. DJ Wilson seems interesting, Ilysova can spread the floor for the other bigs. I would’ve loved a pick, but I’ll take this.
I still want to trade Buddy for some draft picks and young assets. A Philly trade that includes Thybulle would make an interesting defensive backcourt combined with Donte and Fox.
I think we got a good backcourt already with Fox, Buddy and Donte. Buddy is a 20 ppg scorer at an efficient rate. Unless we can unload his contract for cheap or he really doesn’t want to be here, we should keep him
I agree on Wilson. There may be some untapped potential there and how cool is it that he’s from Mt. freaking Shasta!
And went to Capital Christian HS here in Sacramento.
I would love to know what McNair internally thinks is doable with Buddy. On one level I think he’s going to be very hard to move in an attractive way for the Kings. If poor longterm money is heavily contingent in a deal I see Monte holding tight. I also think this trade is a reflection of the difficulty Hield is as a trade asset.
But I think this is important to say in lieu of this deal. If Hield stays and is poor the argument of we should have kept Bogi and tried to trade Hield at this point is void. Again I see this trade as a reflection of that difficulty. It was also too late to have that debate.
I said repeatedly that had to take place prior to the Hield extension, and that Vlade had to make a choice of the two or not offer the Hield the extension. It was clear then Hields deal was poor and would lead to complications. Those circumstances have led to what i surmise was the best option considering. Thats the context to which to judge McNair moving forward.
Maybe I am giving too much rope but if Hield isn’t moved its likely because he’s really not moveable. Thats a reality that was plausible outcome and falls on Vlade’s shoulders. And it’s a testament to Monte that this trade looks sound regardless of that context.
I hope a good trade for Hield exist but I don’t think thats likely. As thats the case this trade makes even more sense in my view. And it has merits of being wise regardless.
I like it…a lot. Next up, move Buddy.
Yep. I’ve got a feeling there are moves to come.
Damn, so much for this t-shirt.
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Just make donte wear #8…problem solved? ð¬
D8 is a good, if awkward, nickname.
From BB8 to DD8! I like it!
Maybe DD will wear 8 instead of 0?
Maybe get Barnes to switch from 10 to 20?
Just as an aside but I think Bogi is signing for about 10 million. Since it’s going to be tough to get the Kings under the cap, and since BYC is only triggered on raises that exceeded 20% over the previous season’s salary, it might make sense the Kings make a deal for Bogi getting a salary that doesn’t break the bank but allows the Kings to take a full dollar trade back. It’s also the only way for Milwaukee to pull this off without including a 3rd team.
really hoping this is what the guard depth looks like by the end of this week:
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(not sure why I replied to you on that one!)
I see a lot of white guys…is this to support the tank? (Edited: Ok by depth I’m guessing you mean we still have fox and traded buddy.)
also i haven’t heard anything recently about nico mannion. Has his draft stock dropped a lot?
Lol I just think it would be funny to corner the market of red headed guards!
Ginger Bread Bros?
That is the missing piece to the puzzle. I was trying to figure out what MIL’s offer to Bogey was going to be based on the salaries coming back. I believe it is a combined $14,592,440, so I was guessing a contract starting around $14M/year.
I think it’s probably more than $10M. While there is a wrinkle with the BYC rules, the Bucks sent us back ~$14.5M in salary (Ilyasova $7M, Donte $3M, Wilson $4.5M). Even subtracting out James’ $1.5M, that would still be $13M.
Here’s an estimate of 4 years, $70Mstarting at a little over $16M:
https://twitter.com/fmaddenNBA/status/1328588606030614529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1328588606030614529%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brewhoop.com%2F2020%2F11%2F17%2F21571026%2Freports-bucks-will-obtain-bogdan-bogdanovic-in-sign-and-trade
I think that makes sense and sounds about right for him. Didn’t know if he would quite get there with COVID and the decreased cap, but that’s about where you would have pegged him.
Yeah, that sounds about right for him.
And more to the point – given our cap situation and timeline – I don’t know that it makes sense for us to be paying Bogi a ~4/%70M contract.
Not to pretend that McNair has no agency or this isn’t his move, but really Vlade put us in a bit of a cap bind and this is part of unwinding it.
Yeah, though I wonder if it couldn’t have been unwound more effectively if they were willing to take their time in unwinding it.
Fair question, but at least with Bogi, unless you were going to match at ~$17.5 per season and risk no injuries, good play for more value later, there wasn’t a ton of extra time here.
Does Bogi get that type of offer on the open market? Could the Bucks have even given him that offer as an RFA and worked the sign-and-trade with the Kings after?
I doubt ~$17.5 million was a fait accompli for Bogi.
All BYC is is the trade value is half of the total salary outgoing for the trading team (i.e the Kings can only take 8 million back if Bogi’s salary is 16 million).
It’ll be interesting to see how the Kings navigate this if Bogi’s salary is closer to 16 million.
Agreed
I think his salary will be between $12.5- $14.5 million. If the official sign and trade is Bogi for Ilyasova and DJ, it works both on the Kings end with 2019 salaries and on the Bucks end up to a $14.5 million salary for Bogi in 2020. Switch Donte for DJ and it’s limited to around $12.5 million salary for Bogi. The Kings then trade JJ for the remaining player.
I could be reading the sign-and-trade restrictions incorrectly but that’s my best guess.
What, no Oriaki?
Seems like an okay return. A pick would’ve been nice though.
Goodbye Bogi. Even if you were with the horde.
I am feeling this so badly now
Donte is a pretty good return for Bogi. Not as good offensively at this point, but better on D, and also 4.5 years younger and cheaper for the next two seasons. Better than losing for nothing.
Will miss Bogi though. He’s an easy guy to root for.
Is Vlade still the GM? A poopoo platter of a return, just uninspiring and pointless.
If Vlade was the GM, Bogi would have been offered an insane contract with the Hawks and we would have lost him for nothing or would have overpaid to keep Bogi and have a financial problem for a team that has not made the playoffs.
Bogi is my favorite player on the Kings. this kinda blows.
It is sad for sure. Bogi was easy to root for and fun to watch. I am happy for him though and am excited to see if he can help bring a title to a small market team that deserves one.
Hey! We received actual players in return. That’s new. While the off-season is long, we are starting out in a familiar position:
SG: Hield, DiVincenzo
SF:
PF: Barnes, Ä°lyasova, Wilson, Parker
Predictions:
Parker opts in (nobody is paying him)
Bjelica is let go for salary & not-having-5-PF-reasons
Buddy, Buddy & CoJo = $60M of $109M cap.
Them’s the issue.
I really like this trade. I love me some Bogi dont get me wrong. DiVincenzo is a really good young player. Plays good defense. He is exactly the kind of young player the kings should be looking to get. So is Wilson. Plays good defense. He is a young big that legit stretches the floor, also rebounds well.
2 young players. One of which already earned himself a role as part of the rotation on a championship contending team. YES PLEASE!!
To anyone that thinks we should have received some form of draft capital in return for Bogi… I get that desire but 2 existing young players of this caliber is arguably significantly better.
I like it. If DiVincenzo improves his shot, LOOK OUT! If Wilson gets an opportunity with consistent minutes, we could be very pleasantly surprised.
More trades for more young players like this would be very good in my opinion.
I agree. Divincenzo brings more athleticism and defense to the backcourt. He also was a primary initiator on the 2nd unit, and helped initiate when playing with the starters. His offense is solid, and an improvement on the 3pt shot would make him very good.
People obsessing about not getting some second-rounders in this deal must have Belgrade Syndrome. It’s like Stockholm Syndrome, but it’s common when Divac is your General Manager. He got us plenty of second-round picks, throwing more of them on the pile doesn’t appreciably improve the deal.
LOL, no kidding. We’ve about cornered the market on second rounders.
If this is the beginning of a series of moves that will begin the full rebuild around Fox and Bagley, then I’m for it.
If this move is a move because the Kings didn’t plan on re-signing Bogi but wanted to bring in some assets for him, I’m for it.
If this move is an attempt to get younger, then I’m for it.
But if this move was an attempt to mend relations with Buddy Hield and open up the starting position for him again, then HELLLLLLLL NO!
It’s a lateral move for all intensive purposes. It doesn’t move the needle at all. Divencenzo is a career backup who plays some D and a little younger. Wilson is going into his 4th season and was consistently benched for poor play in Mil. Walton won’t make him any more effective in Sac. Bucks fans won’t miss him. I was reviewing the comments on the Bucks board. I will be surprised if he’s still in the league in 2 years. Ersan is slow and finished. A throw away. Not getting a pick is the worst part of this trade. Essentially, it’s Bogi for DIvencenzio.
Or it could be a Farm Team move.
The effect on the cap is far from lateral in my view. This team has a lot of poorly committed money as is (much of which has led to the need of this deal IMO). As the cap is a restraint for all, the Kings poor commitments have led to narrower options. Despite the money being relatively square in the exchange Bogi’s looming extension likely saves the Kings around 8 million plus in the not so distant future. That future flexibility might be the difference of us not being in a Davis NOLA predicament with Fox down the line.
An aside Wilson has been rated at points in his career. Im not sure i’m convinced either but his lack of breaking the Bucks team isn’t much of an indicator for concern personally. Irsan I would not be shocked could be flipped into something shortly. Divencenzio is more than deserving of intrigue. It doesn’t hurt DJ and Donte are more aligned to when this team’s best enters their prime.
Pretty much. DD is better ththaththan any pick the Kings would get from the Bucks. He was the 7/8th guy on a damn good team, and is entering season 3 at 24 years old.
Bogdan was not going to helping this team as currently constructed to make the playoffs.
Neither will Donte though??
He is a reflection though that that isnt likely for the next couple of years regardless. If more deals had been made with such admittance in the past, the necessity of this deal in my view might not have been there.
I apologize in advance for being pedantic, but the saying is: for all intents and purposes.
I had to restrain myself.
Ah, Jesus, thank you.
‘Deep-seated’ not ‘deep-seeded’
One you see a lot of sports journalists screw up: When you’re examining something, you pore over the information, not pour.
And don’t get me started about “sneak peak.”
Hmmm, this peaks my interest.
I can already feel it seeping into my pores.
Just call me Rik, please.
I always compliment people who properly use “complement”.
What’s your take on chomping/champing at the bit?
Either is fine. I’m an American, but an insufferable one, so I tend to say champ.
Despite questioning the circumstance, this is a wise deal. Donte has been better than advertised. Wilson has had positive buzz at various times and at least projects as a modern big. This team is about to get expensive in the not so distant future. In that context this is a good haul.
Still the effects and thus cautions of extensions being improperly evaluated cannot be overstated. This is a cap league the amount paid is often the difference competitively. The poor number of the Barnes deal. The reluctance to choose extend Hield and conversely not choose the likely cheaper option or trade Bogi shortly after was likely poor process. These things work in concert and despite questions on our play improving our expenses via cap will be increasing as a young core enters 2nd deals.
This trade although frustrating I read as a sign McNair understands this. He got two interesting prospects a potential flippable big and balanced the books. Its sound logic and thats a new development with this team.
Color me unimpressed. I don’t feel as if we got fair value. I would have been much happier if we had traded Buddy and we would have probably gotten more back in return. Same old story.
I personally see little indicators that Hield is moveable for something that makes sense. If I as another GM and had the choice of the two I would go with Bogi, near all I think would. And as far as the Kings are concerned I rarely see a plausible trade that we dont sabotage our books worse than what Hield is currently doing which is his biggest flaw beyond being a malcontent. Sure some of those deals have an “asset” or two but never one that justifies it beyond being a poor silver lining.
The debate of trading Hield over Bogi had to have happened prior to the Hield extension. It didnt, and that is the context to which this deal was made. Personally I don’t see Buddy moving because I dont think he’s realistically moveable. And if he is I doubt I will feel as good in the return as this trade. If he indeed cant be traded, this deal makes even more sense than it does removed from Buddy.
P.S. Good luck in Milwaukee Bogdan. You made it out of basketball hell.
Bogdan is Andy Dufresne.
I didn’t realize the Sacramento Kings was a river of shit. Makes sense, though.
Well, Buddy makes a lot more, so, yeah.
Our young core grew +1 today. That’s a good thing.
After sleeping on this I went back to something we all heard about McNair. His philosophy on trades was something like “you don’t make the other team better.” In this trade the Bucks clearly get better while the Kings, on paper, do not. This leaves me thinking the McNair has something else in store with either the new players or others on the roster. The Kings just lost their 2nd best playmaker and 3rd leading scorer in exchange for a younger more athletic version of Corey Joseph. He got a perimeter defender and an end of the bench big.
Now I’m ready for the next move to see how this plays out.
I think he said something different. My recollection was he focuses on his own team’s perspective, ie., does this trade improve our team? Then not to let biases get in the way of making that deal.
Even so, as the trade stands alone, it does not improve the Kings. Yes it frees up space and doesn’t tie up a ton of the cap into two shooting guards, but I think we need to see what is next before I can declare that it “improved” the Kings.
What I mean by this, is if this is it and the Kings simply waive Ilyasova and Nemanja then draft a wing and call it a day, I’d be very disappointed. That would stink of money problems.
I get it. Just think you might have misunderstood what McNair said about trades. Whether this trade improves the team, I don’t know. You have to look at all the moves combined and we don’t know that yet. I personally would have preferred Bogdanovic, but I like some of the things Divincenzo brings to the table and he is young.
Ultimately, from the Kings POV, it shouldn’t really matter if the trade makes the other team better or not. It should only matter if it helps the Kings progress toward their overarching goal.
That’s exactly what McNair was saying. He was talking about biases, and Adamsite’s recollection was sort of the exact opposite of what McNair said. It was a video of him and several other nba GMs or assistant GMs responding to questions. McNair shared some thoughts about how biases get in the way of making deals. He gave a couple quick examples and that was one of them: how the desire to not improve another team can cause your own team to miss a trade opportunity that would have improved your own team. I remember because the topic of biases are fascinating, especially the subconscious ones.
A better Corey Joseph I would suggest is a bit harsh on Divencenzo. Its a collective downgrade at present in play no doubt, but he has already demonstrated exceptional roleplaying traits, that isnt hyperbole. Excellent defensive reads, willing and capable in committing to offball schemes, great workrate and intelligence. Thats reflected on the floor and in advanced numbers. All of which are traits that aren’t exactly Kings strong suits. Him being a potential initiator at times isnt out of the realm of possibility either. Thats coming from someone who was a skeptic when drafted. It isnt inconceivable he closes the gap with Bogi while still on the rookie scale. Especially when fit is involved and scoring isn’t the Kings biggest issue. Only more so with the aspirations of our hopeful cornerstones.
Its fair to raise concerns, and parse out McNair’s ethos, but even that logic one also has to judge our ability to get better by the room this trade will save us as our wage bill rises. That is as crucial to this deal as Donte and in rationalizing subsequent deals.
“Excellent defensive reads, willing and capable in committing to offball schemes, great workrate and intelligence. Thats reflected on the floor and in advanced numbers. All of which are traits that aren’t exactly Kings strong suits.”
As noted, all things the Kings need desperately.
I don’t recall him saying anything like that. The primary thing I heard about his approach to trades, the “McNair Rule” according to Morey, is that you have to look at the trade proposal from the other team’s POV. Basically, ask yourself if you were the other team, why would you say yes. Obviously, different teams having different short term goals says that most trades involve making one team look better on paper in the short term.
“He got a perimeter defender and an end of the bench big.”
For a team like the Kings that is terrible defending on the perimeter, Divencenzio will be a big help.
As for Bogi, I saw him as a player who, on a losing team, thought he was better than he was, and played like it on the floor, while being mediocre defensively. He will probably flourish on a playoff contender and accept his role. But he was just going to continue to be part of a culture of losing here.
My issue there is that with Joseph currently on the team, Donte’s skillset is somewhat redundant. Again, if this move is one of many to come to reshape the roster I’m totally fine with it.
My current issues:
1) Kings lost their second best playmaker
3) Kings lost their 3rd best 3pth shooter
2) Kings lost a player that played spot minutes at SF
Donte really doesn’t’ fill any of those categories, but is in himself a very nice prospect. Until the Kings improve playmaking and a 3 and D SF I will reserve judgement.
If the new guy is redundant in relation to a player that most people agree that the team should try to move, then it seems like “replacement” would be a more accurate description.
Bogi could shoot from deep and could also run an offense. Donte is mediocre in those areas. Plus, he has played about 1,900 minutes in the league and over half of those with Giannis on the floor – so hard to know what he actually is as an NBA player.
We may well have bought high on this trade.
This move makes a 3&D wing (ie, non playmaker) less appealing at #12. Xavier Tillman looking very good now to help facilitate the offense.
Yeah, they just improved their guard defense, but lost playmaking, present shooting ability, and versatility since Bogi at 6’6/6’11 could reasonably slide up to SF at times. Donte at 6’4/6’6 can’t really do that. He’s more of a 1-2 defender.
Early morning pain.
Well, this was pretty obvious.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1328727831866716170
Now that Jabari is official, I’d expect something to happen either with him or Nemanja today.
Like he gets bought out? I cant imagine anyone trading for him…
Hopefully Parker
There might be a team out there that needs a big like Parker who can score or a team that needs a player they can waive 6.5 million and have it count against the 90% minimum cap and not need a roster spot.
The latter might be a possibility, but I don’t think anyone would trade for Parker’s scoring.
Some teams need bench scoring. Parker can still score a bit. I wouldn’t bank on it, though.
Who’s Jabari Parker?
The best comp for Bagley’s future if he doesn’t start showing something soon.
I’m going to go ahead and try to reserve judgement until we see a few more moves/decisions and can get a better handle on the overall approach.
Bogi thanks for the great play. That 2018 Lakers buzzer beater was an all timer. Donte – welcome to the squad. I like this move and am stoked on the return.
The trade appears to improve overall roster and cap flexibility moving forward, and DD may be the best value to contract in this bunch. The 20-21 team probably gets worse on the floor, but that really doesn’t matter to me. This is the first of what will need to be a lot of moves over the next few (or several) yesrs.
Thanks for the thrills, Bogi. Enjoy playoff basketball with your new team!
Very well said
Honestly just the fact they didn’t let an asset expire is a front office upgrade.
This is true.
Really agree with this.
Yep, and I can see a very real scenario where the Hawks could have made an outsized offer that the Kings would not have wanted to match, leaving them with nothing.
My arse-pulled guess is that Bogi’s agent could have pulled a few extra dollars from the Hawks, but Bogi preferred to go to the championship-contending Bucks instead of the still-work-to-be-done Hawks. I think that this was the best and most fortunate of outcomes for the Kings.
I loved rooting for BB. Just a great all around player that lifted the game of his teammates. DD is a promising pick up and hopefully can become a solid contributor, if not a cornerstone.
Going to miss BB’s playmaking though. I hope this doesn’t mean more of Heild dribbling the ball all over the place.
Got to see Divencenzo play last year when he came to Sac. Dude is a solid polished player already in this league. Higher ceiling than Bogi on both sides of court. Bravo!
He’s a solid role player with some upside. I am a bit concerned people may be expecting something he’s not. He’s currently a defensive combo guard. He has some shooting & playmaking upside, but he isn’t at the point yet where he can successfully perform those roles. Hopefully, he’ll develop those abilities. He shows some flashes. But at the moment, he’s a guy that is looking good on a great team because his team doesn’t NEED him to stretch beyond his primary strengths.
I would just hate to see another role player come in and be turned on because fans have an unrealistic idea of who he is.
Agree with this analysis. As far as play making in the pick and roll and running an offense he’s a clear downgrade from Bogi. His shooting, while significantly improved in year 2 over his rookie campaign is still below league average and not near Bogi’s level.
He should have plenty of opportunity to improve in those areas in the upcoming season, but we should keep expectations measured.
Sometimes the simplest way of looking at things is the best – we gave up the best player (probably by margin) in the deal. I realize there are cap ramifications, but unless Bogi is being paid far in excess of his actual value, we probably got the short end of this one.
This is where I kind of am currently. The Kings did not replace Bogi’s much needed skillset, but they did get a nice prospect in Donte. I’m just waiting to see what else Monte has in store.
Yep, the secondary moves really matter now. We were already short on playmaking, and now we’ve put a dent in the outside shooting as well (hard for me to see Fox and Donte playing a ton of minutes together).
I think we gave up the best player but got the best value/contract in the deal. Given that Bogi could have easily been gone for nothing or overpaid and retained, I’m OK with the net result here.
The value to contract stuff gets me excited when the player himself is better. But you could well be right.
IMO, the whole thing is pretty meh, but maybe meh was the best we were going to do.
Exactly. But Milwaukee isn’t doing that deal, especially with trading for Holiday and signing Giannis to the supermax.
What bothers me not is the Kings lost this deal (unless DD really, really develops which would be just awesome in it’s own way given how few times that’s happened in recent history in Sac), what really irritates me is I’m supposed to be excited that a guy from a different FO values things differently than Vlade Divac did.
This is not an exciting deal unless DD really blows up over the next 2 years. But given the situation, it was necessary.
Agreed 100% on the meh factor. Better than Alex Oriakhi, low bar being low and all. Maybe somewhat comparable to Tyreke Evans for Greivis Vasquez?
At least Greivis was part of the trade for Rudy. I doubt that Donte will be as good as Rudy or that he’ll be part of a trade where the Kings get a player who’s as good as Rudy.
Perhaps not, but I think that he has every chance to be as good or better than Greivis as a King,
Players and agents have the leverage in today’s NBA, not the teams. I don’t see a realistic return for the Kings that would have been greater than this, and I don’t see a higher contract Bogi as being a solution to the Kings near or far term problems.
As Otis noted, meh, which is slightly better than nothing, or in my opinion, retaining the status quo.
I think the Kings could’ve received a better return if they’d re-signed BB8 & traded him during the season.
I can’t recall, but I don’t think you can trade that player in the first year after you re-sign him under these circumstances. And even if you could, that’s a helluva game or chicken that you’re playing there, doling out somewhere in the neighborhood of $14-17m a year in the hopes that you can extract a nominally better deal down the road,
Hey, if DiVincenzo turns out to be the “readhead to be named later,” then I think that it’s an excellent return for sending out Peaches.
A bit concerned Kings fans are going to be triggered when Bogi signs for less than we all expected to play in Milwaukee.
Same. The 3 Bucks players only add up to $14.5M. When you factor in Justin James at $1.5M, did the Bucks just get Bogi for less than $13M per year? It will be interesting to see the structure of the deal.
Keep in mind Bogi turned down a 4 year $51M extension a year ago.
Of course, he turned that down Pre-COVID.
Agreed, though I think we have to take into consideration that the Hawks were lurking in the weeds. I think that there is an agreement on all sides here, and without that agreement Bogi would receive a somewhat higher offer from the Hawks. Blind guess.
This seems rather likely.
Yeah, i’m pretty sure that’s how this likely went down.
“Take this deal with the Bucks, where I’m willing to sign for a discounted price and you can get something in return, or be prepared to match Atlanta’s offer sheet.”
He’s probably going to end up signing for like $14m per but I have to assume that’s not the kind of offer we would have had to have matched if we didn’t make this trade.
I dunno, this feels like supposition being used to present the trade in the best light possible.
I’m just trying to figure out whether Bogdan is the type of RFA that can pull this type of leverage. And there was some leverage for the Kings, if you believe he really wanted to end up on the Bucks.
It’s absolutely supposition but I think it makes sense. And this is all assuming that McNair knows what he’s doing of course but the return leads me to believe there was another deal out there that the Kings had no intention of matching.
We’re probably never going to find out what happened here but If Bogi wanted to end up in Milwaukee and the Kings didn’t want to facilitate that because they didn’t like the return, Bogi’s only move is to leverage another potential offer sheet. I assume the offer would be higher than the Kings intended to match and if i’m Bogi and a Milwaukee SnT offer is out there, then I don’t agree to help the Kings pull one off with any other team.
At that point McNair’s options are to match another offer, let him walk, or make a deal and get *something* in return, knowing the Bucks need to make room.
But my larger point is, I assume whatever he takes to play for a title contender is going to be less than he would have gotten to play for Atlanta for instance, or this deal probably never happens in the first place. I certainly don’t mean to sound like an apologist when I say this.
I think this sequence of events is certainly possible. On the other hand, it could simply have been that McNair was planning on moving on from Bogi and likes the return he got from Milwaukee.
I’ve found very little online regarding Atlanta’s interest in Bogi outside of one unsourced article. I didn’t get the impression they were hot and heavy on his trail, at least not to make a big offer prior to FA even starting.
Needless to say, a large Hawks offer sheet (or simply the rumor thereof) would have been very convenient for Bogi’s camp.
Monte, brooooo…..you were supposed to get rid of HB and Bogi for DiVincenzo and maybe a pick?!!! I don’t need garbage ass Ilyasova or to lose Justin James, c’mon man!
I mean, I can see not being thrilled with the return. But having an issue with losing Justin James?
LOL,ya I guess I saw potential in JJ that probably wasn’t there. I like young players and wanted to see if maybe he’d develop next year as we roll out the tank.
I’ m happy for Bogi though, this rebuild will probably start ugly and require some gutting, we’ll see how Monte does.
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I like this deal. I think it’s basically the best they could hope for under the circumstances. The Kings, under Vlade, rarely made these types of deals to obtain young, cost-controlled players with some untapped potential. It will be interesting to see the next domino to fall.
I wonder if this move is an indication that the team will target a 3&D hustle player like Vassell, if available. He seems like the type of player that could work well alongside Fox/Divincenzo. I’m not an amateur scout, but those three appear to have enough complimentary skills to be an effective trio assuming they can all get to around league average from three (big if, I know).
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I have to say, it IS refreshing to see the typical “You don’t know anything about basketball” rant in a different language this time. It makes it mildly less tiresome.
The “this blog sucks” at the end was an outstanding payoff. If TKH ever gets sig line capability, “Este blog apesta” may end up on mine.
Welcome!
Don’t know rff personally but judging from his comments, especially his rant a couple of weeks ago about ruing the day we doubted Walton and Bagley and that Luka is finished, he seems like a fun loving guy that doesn’t take this stuff too seriously and is trying to inject some humor into our day.
Ok, I love how our editors are showing their age by putting up a WordArt going around the KH banner.
I was hoping it would be the dancing baby from the 90s, but WordArt is a close second.
Whys John Hollinger such a dick when he talks about the Kings
LMFTFY
John “Richard” Hollinger
Well that is his brand 😉
That seemed unnecessary.
Fuck THAT guy
Maybe he reads our comments and saw that 8 people responded earlier to KingsGuru’s post about BYC
My takeaways of the trade:
-the bar is ultra low but McNair’s first move is better than any of Vlade’s moves
-will the kings make the playoff before the trade? No. Will the kings make the playoff after the trade? But we got younger and cheaper
-paying a combine 45 million to Bogi/Buddy annually for the next four years while not making the playoff is stupid and downright criminal
-did our offense got better after the trade? Yes!
-will buddy shut his mouth after the trade? Probably not but he’s definitely gonna fuss less being a starter until he realizes he is backing up Divencenzo
-DJ Wilson is intriguing. He looks like a Giles with better knees but less passing ability
I don’t see how you can say the offense got better, but agree with pretty much everything else.
Hate to see Bogi go, but doesn’t surprise me. Would’ve also liked to have seen some draft comp somehow, but after the Bucks gave practically all their draft picks for Jrue guess not anything left for us. Would’ve rather had his better BBIQ on our team than Buddy, who’s mainly just a shooter.
Yo mods, could we possibly get a new thread? This one is getting long in the teeth. Maybe a current NBA trade discussion piece?
Bogi was our Francisco Garcia. Both were signed to their extensions at 27. Garcia shot the 3 slightly better than Bogi at 27. Bogi has slightly better ball handling at 27 (both had played PG in spots, also). Bogi expected more than a maximum extension. Garcia got paid a whopping $5.8 million/season.
My point is – was Bogi good? Yes. Are there other players in the league like him? Yes. He was asking for way too much and it’s good the Kings didn’t pay him what he wanted. The Kings weren’t going to re-acquire Bogi at his price tag anyway. Our price in this trade was control over Bogi’s restricted free agency and giving those rights to the Bucks. I am happy we got something for Bogi when we easily could have received nothing.
Im 50/50 on this move. Obviously, we shouldn’t judge until more moves are made and my fingers are crossed. I hope the Kings pick up a better backup PG or a better SF. I like both Barnes and Cojo, but their contracts and play style do not fit this team anymore.
Positives – I think DD can be a good member of a reformed bench squad, and as people have mentioned-he’s cheaper, more athletic, and younger. I believe Ilyasova gets waived and I am not a fan of Wilson. DD is the only contributor of that group that I see.
Negatives – I really liked Justin James and would’ve liked to see him receive more minutes this season on the Kings. We all love Bogi and am sad to see him go (but I am glad to see him go to a contender that is on the East.) Another negative, we didn’t get any draft capitol in return.
Question for the group – Is there any thought that maybe Vivek pushed for this move to create minutes and a starting spot for Buddy? Is this McNair placating Vivek’s love for Buddy?
I’m gonna assume that monty didnt take this job to have to listen to vivek about “freeing up minutes”
Not thrilled with this move, seems rushed. I’m disappointed in the lack of draft assets and I don’t like that James got thrown in. Mil got both the best player (BB) and the youngest player (JJ).
I hope this is just the first of many moves because our team that lacked playmakers just lost another one. Fox, BB, Giles: 2/3 of last year’s creators will likely be gone before the draft.
I’m fine with this trade. I don’t think in 2 years we’ll remember who was involved in this trade other than Bogi because he was a moderately better than most players on our nightmare of a team but he was never going to be a player who lifted us to relevance.
Obviously the exception may be DD {only because I don’t know how to spell his name}. As I recall there were members of StR who were high on him in his draft year although from a review of the above comments I haven’t seen anybody cop to that.
It’s to the King’s advantage as well as DiVincenzo’s {looked it up}to help him become as good as a player as he can be in the next 2 years either to keep him or trade him.
Probably most of us can either remember many comments here or more likely StR which advocated blowing it up. I believe this is the first stick of dynamite necessary to start the rebuild and it won’t be the last. I’m not intending to get attached to all the assets our FO will be accumulating in the next year or 2.
The name of the game is to accumulate as many 1st round picks as you can while drafting well and reducing payroll and increasing cap space to either take back bad contracts to pick up young players with potential or to trade for players you want. As the story goes, if done well {which we have yet to see} this should result in the construction of a team which can compete for more than an eighth seed.
I think you all are taking this trade far to seriously. In the end it was the first but it won’t it certainly won’t be the last. Some of the trades will be really bad, but again, 1st round picks are about potential to get you either to the next level or allow you to trade for players who will.
I’m hoping that McNair has the skills to get us close to the NBA’s version of the final tables in the Poker Championships because Vlade never could.
Are there shortcuts for scrolling through the comments in order, like on the previous site?
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