Welcome back to Chainmail!
This week, we have a special edition for you – it’s trade season baby!!!! If you’re unfamiliar with our annual entry, Will and I are subjecting ourselves to the torture of sifting through every one of your trade proposals over the next couple of days. Anyone who submits a legitimate idea with proof that it will work in a trade machine will get a response. Give us your theories to send Harrison Barnes to the Boston Celtics, Buddy Hield, to the Dallas Mavericks, Nemanja Bjelica to the Philadelphia 76ers, Cory Joseph to anywhere but Sacramento, or whatever else is stirring in your Kings-addled mind. It’s gonna be a long one, folks.
In order to keep this as sane and as palatable as possible, we have a couple of simple rules:
- Every trade proposal must contain proof that it’s workable via the CBA. That can be a screenshot, a link, or whatever else works.
- TradeNBA, ESPN’s Trade Machine, Shams Capulator, and Real GM’s future draft pick list are all super helpful tools.
- We won’t be answering any ludicrous trade proposals, like the Kings trading Cory Joseph for LeBron James or anything along those lines.
- If you’re submitting a multi-team trade, no more than two or three guys moving per team. Fifteen-player deals aren’t particularly common or realistic.
- Please include your justification for why both teams consummate the deal, not just from the Kings side of things.
That’s about it! Include your ideas in the comments below and we’ll get to answering!
How messed up is your biological clock today because of the clocks shifting forward an hour? 😉
We don’t do that here.
Ha! I keep forgetting you’re in Arizona.
Arizona set its clocks back to 1949 during the Clinton administration.
I woke, saw the clock, and thought, “Hey, I finally got 8 hours of sleep.”
I awoke at 6:45, saw it was still so dark outside, and shut my eyes for what felt like 30 seconds, then it was nearly 9:00.
Now that I’ve got a 2 week old, I feel like violence has been inflicted upon my family. Day light savings time is inhumane.
It’s also awesome trying to get them to go sleep when it’s light outside until 9p. I hate daylight savings.
I already hated it and now I REALLY hate it.
Congrats on the new little one!
Thanks!
Kings trade Buddy and Holmes to Dallas for Porzingis. Salaries are almost perfect:
https://tradenba.com/trades/BSdEGdaNd
Kings would do it because Porzingis is the perfect match for Fox’s game (and an ideal fit as Bagley’s frontcourt partner if ever realizes some of his potential). His age is a plus considering the timeline, and there really isn’t another way to get this caliber of player onto the roster outside of the draft (young potential all star).
Dallas would do it because 1) it gives them one of the best shooters in the league on a declining scale contract over the next 3 years, 2) gives them one of the best rim runners in the league to pair with Luka (I mean seriously, can you imagine the endless Luka/Holmes PnRs??) and 3) gives their roster a little more flexibility by moving on from Porzingis’ deal.
With that said, I’m still not sure I’d take the gamble. But if Porzingis even reaches just 75% of his potential (and is available to play for 75% of his games), it’d be worth it considering what you’re giving up.
The last thing to consider is that we’d be capped at two 5-year contracts, but I don’t think that’d really be an issue here.
I agree with this idea, as long as they can find a way to complete the tank for the year to try to get a top 4 pick. I’d be nervous they would Kangz their way into challenging for the 8 seed this year. I don’t see this deal as putting the Kings over the top for the future. Bottom line, we still need younger talent depth.
I thought about this too, but with how conservative the Kings medical staff is, Porzingis probably wouldn’t even play this year…(I’m about 20% joking)
Of course the Kings do that but highly unlikely Dallas even considers it.
Maybe Buddy and a second round pick to Orlando for Gordon and Mo Bamba. Fornier is a free agent and most reports indicate Orlando is not going to tear it down. With this trade and Fornier off the books, Orlando goes into the off-season with Fultz, Buddy, Issac, Vucevic and a couple of other pieces, a good draft pick and a little cap space.
I would only do this trade if they can move Barnes, Bjelica, Holmes and Guy to Boston for Pritchard, Williams, Smart, Langford and 2021 first round pick. Anything less would not be worth moving Barnes. This improves Boston fairly significantly in the short run and makes the Kings deeper, younger. and a little cheaper. Whether or not it makes them better will be TBD but I think potentially provides the Kings with a higher upside and more flexibility.
After that, I would try to move Bamba, James, Woodard and a second round pick to OKC for Roby and Moses Brown and absorb Hill’s contract if necessary.
Big fat zero chance you get all that from Boston for Barnes and some middle of the road one year rentals… Like absolutely zero
I did not join the 20-21 Kangz Tank Sqaudronz to flip Holmes for Portzingis. Just… no.
https://giphy.com/gifs/dosequisgifstotheworld-no-facepalm-smh-ADr35Z4TvATIc
This has been my trade idea for sometime.
You can sit KP the rest of the year to heal up and aid the tank.
A core of Fox, Hali, KP and top four pick would be nice.
I think dallas says no pretty quick.
They might bite if you give bags instead of holmes but then I think we say no
Hurry up and give Bags up!!
Figure out a way to get rid of Pervis Bagley and you’ve got a deal.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzavfp6b
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yctk7g88
Throw in whatever picks either way to make things work because I’m too lazy to plan that out.
One more I thought I’d throw out there:
https://tradenba.com/trades/t0mLZ0YNR
Twolves do this because they reportedly want Gordon, and they’re pretty limited with what assets they have. Whiteside replaces a little bit of the “depth” they’d be losing.
Kings do this to get a look at a couple prospects and get some cap relief (although not as much as you might think since Bamba and Culver were high picks).
Magic do this because they turn Gordon/Fournier’s expiring (and he isn’t resigning) into a starting 2 guard for a roster that desperately needs shooting. This move probably doesn’t move the needle for them this year, so they’ll still get a decent pick. Buddy could be a nice fit when Fultz and Issac return next year.
I think the Kings and Twolves would do it, the question is if Orlando would take all that future salary back. I think they’d consider it because of their cap situation. With Fultz and Issac starting their big deals next year, getting under the cap to add significant pieces via free agency isn’t likely going to happen. It helps that Buddy’s deal declines. Funny enough, it’s probably Hernangomez’s necessary inclusion (for cap purposes) that would most cause Orlando to balk.
No for the Kings. Bamba and Culver are big long shots and Fornier is just a salary filler so this doesn’t improve the Kings in the short or long run.
Have ever learned something from a comment, or do prefer to just teach those of us who you feel don’t understand basketball as well as you do?
Depends on who I’m commenting with. BHP knows the game and offers thoughtful comments. I don’t like it when people I can tell have only a superficial knowledge of the game and then criticize Kayte Hunter or coaching in general. I’m not trying to carry Walton’s water but when bloggers criticize fouling Adams earlier in the year or Capela recently, they are simply wrong and wrong empirically. For example, Adams was shooting less than 50% from the free thrown line. The odds of him making 4 out of 4 were less than one in 16. The fact that he made 4 out of 4 doesn’t make the decision wrong. You get a bunch of Monday morning prognosticators criticizing things after the fact. I like to point that out at times.
I been coaching and playing the game for decades, I can point out some things that the casual fan may not be able to do. I’ll be the first to point out when there’s something I’m not real knowledgeable about. For example, I’ve seen a few of these potential draft picks with some regularity and I’ve coached against Jalen Green and he comes to our gym and works out on occasion. Beyond that, I can’t add much to the discussion and I doubt those commenting really know anymore than me.
It’s nice to jump on the bandwagon and post to get some thumps up but I don’t really care about confirmation. I share my observations and critiques and if someone wants to rebut them and have a debate that’s fine. Bottom line this is just a basic waste of time and I suspect participation will decline as the pandemic restrictions let up. I’ll be starting high school basketball soon and then later AAU which eats up a lot of my discretionary time.
I look forward to when you have less discretionary time.
It would be nice if idiots like you posted less so we can find the meaningful content easier.
we only have meaningful content because patrons give their hard earned money to the folks who work their asses off to run this site. So tell me why you aren’t the meaningless one in this situation?
I provide meaningful content, no one pays me, but I accept Pay Pal if you would like to donate 😛
Silence and Violence. I’m only kidding at about a 15% rate.
LOL, you are a piece of work. This board would be much better with you not on it.
I am not taking sides here…but similar pattern that pops up too often. Someone directlly/indirectly instigates someone elses opinion, that person get’s butt-hurt, others jump on someones bandwagon to go against…
It’s childish. Sometimes this feels ‘inner circlish’ where others comments are more accepted than someone else.
If you follow the Kings, this should be the board for you. Sometimes there is no right/wrong, it is just opinions. Agree to disagree.
my thing is that someone makes it a habit of coming on here to say “as a a high school bball coach let me be the first to tell you you’re wrong,” then it can have an effect on the collective willingness to throw out ideas.
I agree with some of this – but the “inner circle” thing is rubbish. This guy gets called out because he keeps dropping his resume (on an internet message board, LOL).
The long term posters here are happy to debate/discuss/interact civilly, just don’t come in from day one and tell everyone else how much smarter you are, simply because you coach lower level basketball.
So this reminds of when I’m coaching one of my games or watching one of my sons college games and some Knucklehead in the stands who looks likes the poster boy for a heart disease add is telling us how to coach the entire game. One stupid comment after another comes from his mouth but he thinks he knows.
You talk like you know something about everything yet you spend half your life commenting on a blog as if you’ve had decades of experience playing and coaching basketball. You constantly criticize coaches, players and people who have dedicated much of their lives to the game, people like Kayte Hunter, Doug Christie, Jay Bilas, Charles Barkley, Walton, etc. as if you know better. We’re supposed to listen to you and sadly some lost souls do even though you’ve never even coached a second grade rec league team and would be severely challenged to dribble a ball twice with your left hand. Your an expert in the draft even though I couldn’t break down more than a half of dozen prospects despite constantly watching basketball. You somehow know something about a player like Nesmith even though he’s barely visible to the most avid basketball fan. On and on you go day after day and you’re nothing more than that stupid knucklehead in the stands. I wouldn’t begin to profess I have Kayte Hunter’s knowledge like you seem to claim, but I sure as hell have accomplished more and have more basketball knowledge on my pinky nail than you’ll ever have.
This group has always been very clicky
Absolute yes for the kings to turn buddy into bamba and culver as prospects to evaluate and retain.
I think orl says no because they think they can get significantly more than just buddy for Gordon and Fournier.
If we’re targeting Magic and Blazers fringe prospects, can I have Okeke and Vanderbilt instead?
Kings get:
Kelly Olynyk
Precious Achiuwa
2025 1st (lottery protected)
M*y*rs L*on*rd
Heat get:
Harrison Barnes
Nemanja Bjelica
Hassan Whiteside
https://tradenba.com/trades/8pL8G6T5B
First, the elephant in the room: What M*y*rs said was gross, gross, gross. I would expect the Kings FO to inform him that packing any bags wouldn’t be necessary. Unfortunately, he’s an essential component in any trade with the Heat, who have a frickin stud-in-waiting with Achiuwa, a crazy athlete who projects as what we always wanted Aaron Gordon to be. The Kings need youth, athleticism and nastiness; Achiuwa checks all three boxes. 2025 is the soonest the Heat could realistically trade a 1st rounder, and that’s assuming they’d lift protections on a 2023 pick they owe to OKC. That said, I like acquiring a pick that is a little further down the road. It gives the Kings more flexibility for making trades in the coming years. Hopefully, we could trade Olynyk for a 2nd rounder and an expiring contract.
Harrison Barnes fills the Jae Crowder role’ perfectly because he’s, you know, notably better than Jae Crowder. Bjelica is another stretch-4 the Heat could throw out when Duncan Robinson sits. Or maybe they can be on the court at the same time and score a million points. The Heat love to throw out different looks. Barnes and Bjelica play to their strengths. Hopefully, we could trade Olynyk for a 2nd and an expiring contract. I threw in Whiteside in order send back some depth at center. The trade works whether or not he’s included.
So I’ve had an afternoon to think about this and realize that I probably posted this against my better judgement, and I regret bringing it up. The Kings don’t need to be associated with someone that spews that kind of garbage, even if he doesn’t play one second in Sacramento. Furthermore, Harrison Barnes has done some amazing things in community outreach. Including him in this trade does him a disservice. There are human things to consider, even when making fake trades. Sorry for putting this out there.
It’s fine. Trading for Meyers Leonard’s contract doesn’t equal condoning Meyers Leonard’s behavior.
This is just another version of Cancel Culture ! Now we have Career Cancel ! He who is without sin cast the first stone ! It is not likely you !
Yes, they have all the righteousness and purity of the Spanish Inquisition.
Another one I thought of:
Bulls get:
Richuan Holmes
Kings get:
Wendell Carter, Jr.
2021 2nd rounder
The coming free agent market will be flush with cash with few good players to spend it on. That’s great news for Holmes, whom I love. But if the Kings are unsure on shelling out that kind of dough on a center, then Carter, Jr. would be a suitable way to kick that decision down the road for another year. His best rim-protecting days are ahead of him, if he stays healthy.
It seems the Bulls have hit a wall with Wendell. If they’re looking to make a playoff push, Holmes would be an upgrade to help get them there.
Carter has a cheap year left on his deal after this season, and will be a restricted free agent after that, so the Bulls have almost full control of what they want to do with him. Holmes is a free agent likely to get a substantial (although not insane) contract in just a few months, and isn’t going to make any real difference in Chicago over the remaining thirty games. The Bulls would also not even have the advantage of Bird rights in re-signing him.
I don’t know why Chicago would do this deal, even without the second-rounder.
Hinkie going all in and Kings blow it up.
Kings get: Danny Green, Mike Scott, Seth Curry, Tyrese Maxey
Philly gets: Buddy Hield and Cory Joseph plus any 2nd rounds they want
Kings get out of Buddy and Joseph’s deal and get Tyrese Maxey and Curry to round out the backcourt depth for the future. Scott and Green are just filler expirings. Complete cap sheet reset for the Kings.
Philly goes all in with Buddy for a title run and Joseph with championship experience. I know Buddy is a bit redundant and more expensive than Curry, but I think Philly sees him as a key piece to stretch the floor for Simmons and Embiid. Any 2nd rounder for them are to sweeten the deal
Morey is the GM for Philly, not Hinkie and I can’t see him paying Buddy 2.5 times as much and for longer than Curry. That’s the kind of contract I would guess Morey would avoid, because may make it difficult to swing a trade or free agency in the future. Some would argue Curry is just a better player…debatable. Plus he is giving up Maxey in the deal? Feels unlikely.
Doh, I totally mistyped the GM. Thanks for the correction
Would be great if they could get Curry. I would be down if it was just Curry and Green for Buddy. But Morey would have to love Buddy. Who knows…
Curry is a better player. That makes no sense to Philly.
I don’t really disagree especially based on contact, but I don’t think Curry is appreciably better overall. If Buddy played the role Curry does on the 76ers he would probably look really damn good.
Now getting Buddy to play that role…another story.
I don’t think Philly would include Seth and Maxey.
Who do you cut for the additional 2 spots?
Am I crazy for thinking Philly would rather have Barnes than Buddy? In this one, we could reroute Green elsewhere.
Bagley, Holmes to Charlotte for Monk, Bridges.
One more, if NY really wants playoffs this year. I’d be fine throwing in a second if it gets anything done. Bjelly, Whiteside for Ntilikina.
We’d get a decent 2nd draft flyer, and someone to play cojo’s role who also fits our timeline.
This is good (Bjelly, Whiteside for Ntilikina)
I’d want more than just thybulle for barnes. Philly throws in their first this year then sure
This is likely not an opinion that most share, but I believe the market for Buddy and Barnes is robust behind the scenes. I believe Monte is being bombarded with offers and from many teams we haven’t linked in trades. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if both are traded and traded to teams that we didn’t expect.
I also believe the two have more value than we think they do.
I think you’re exactly right. Barnes would be an asset to pretty much any team in the league, and I wouldn’t be surprised if most execs look at Buddy’s troubles as entirely coinciding with the hiring of Lose Walton (which they do).
Hield is still shooting above the league-average from distance, even though the percentage is almost four points below his career-average going into the season. He’s still got an unfortunate amount of bonehead in his game, but when you toss in that he rebounds at a very high rate among guards, Buddy is still a guy that teams view as an asset.
It’s difficult to dictate terms, but I’d venture to say that McNair is holding most of the cards, particularly in light of the fact that neither will be entering free agency, and therefore the team has no risk of losing them if no trade happens. If no move turns out to be the best move of all this year, I’m confident that McNair will make the correct decision.
Who knows what’s actually going on behind the scenes but this doesn’t look good for Buddy’s trade value:
I don’t have access, but if that sentence isn’t preceded or followed by anything specific, I’ll just lump it in with the overabundance of horseshit that comes with every deadline. I don’t think that in 2021, three years averaging $20 mil per and declining is that much of an obstacle to overcome for a team that needs additional shooting.
He’s having a down year, and is still above the league-average from three. Hield isn’t exactly what the Kings need right now, but I’d wager at least half the teams in the league are interested in a guy that is a historically good shooter from distance.
It is an obstacle, if you want anything of actual value back.
Hield and Barnes can both be decent rotational pieces on a good basketball team IMO, but they aren’t the guys a good team wants making 20 million per year.
I can’t square the idea that your odds of getting better assets in return go up by offering much smaller contracts. Assuming that the “comparable value” rule means anything (it doesn’t), the more salary you give up, the more you’re likely to take back.
You can trade Tyrese Haliburton very easily because he’s on a small rookie contract, but aside from a draft pick, you aren’t going to get much in the way of equal-value return for him. Teams need shooting, and the Kings are looking to get younger, so Hield is available. Expecting a return of a middle-first-round pick, a young player, and some expiring salary seems like the bare minimum to ask in return, and I’d settle for an either/or if the pick or player are suitably enticing.
Hield’s contract seems bad, but that’s mainly due to the fact that a lot of fans expect a player to become Superman once he gets paid. He’s having an off year (which could possibly be lingering issues related to having got Covid), but I don’t think anyone believes that he can’t still rain them down at a forty-percent rate.
That sounds like a lot to me, but I tend to look at these deals from the perspective of the acquiring team. And I think you’re right about Buddy’s shooting, I just don’t think he offers a whole lot more – and considering most good basketball teams are quite conscious of their cap space, I don’t see us getting the type of return you noted.
For both Hield and Barnes, I think your envisioned type of deal might be more realistic a year from now.
Valid points, all. My feeling is that Boston is perennially expected to compete by its fanbase, and the salary cap may be less of a consideration there compared to a lot of teams, if for no other reason that the organization is basically a printing press for money. Less so due to Covid, but the Celtics still do a lot better than most teams on media rights and merch. With that in mind, it’s almost impossible for anyone to cry poor as an excuse for not doing everything possible to compete for a title.
Ainge is a shrewd negotiator, and I’ve got no reason to assume that McNair isn’t. I don’t think that it’s hard to imagine that the previous regime wouldn’t have already traded Barnes for a shite return. I’m encouraged that no deal has been made yet. There are ten days left, and all of the pressure is on Boston and other contenders to get better. If the return is inadequate, well, as Kings fans must say, there’s always next year.
That return is unimaginably high to me. I think you’d be lucky to get a late first and a salary dump, given how bad Buddy has been on the floor. And I think you have to factor in that Buddy has battled with two coaches in a row as well.
Makes no sense to trade Barnes now, unless the deal is too good to pass up on.
Bought GameStop at $280 yesterday. No use selling now unless a deal is too good to pass up on.
Bagley and Bjelica to Heat for Herro and Olynyk
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yeddg7ot
Literally any trade that involves Bagley leaving, I am all for.
Mia would never consider that
Just couldn’t stand having Olynyk on this team….
Bagley and Hield to Bulls for Coby White, Wendall Carter and Otto Porter’s expiring.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yeu2mblg
Love White. But, he’s coming here to start not come off the Bench. That makes Fox or Hali expendable. Unless, Hali is ok coming off the bench.
Yep, fine with me
Bagley, Hield and top-3 protected No. 1 to Pelicans for Brandon Ingram. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzpo93lg
Certainly, you’re 3 for 3 with me. Pack your bags and take your entire family with you.
NBA Trade Machine – ESPN
Kings get: Bertans, R. Lopez, Wizards unprotected 2021 1st Round Pick
Wizards get: Barnes, Holmes
Why Kings do it: Kings hit the reset button. Serviceable SF in Bertans – adds size at SF with him being 6’10” and still able to knock down the 3. Kings also get a likely mid to late-mid lottery pick as well as another shot at the top 4. Lopez is trade filler.
Why Wizards do it: Barnes fits Wizards timeline, get an upgrade at SF to pair with Westbrook. Hate to see Holmes go, but he adds the icing to the cake to replace Lopez.
Would also look to trade off Buddy/Bagley somewhere else to get more picks.
Aldridge wants out. Kings grab a pick and young player with the salary swap.
Also, I think Pop would love Holmes
Probably would cost us barnes instead of buddy but I might still do it
This is feasible. Bonus points if LW4 can be had. I don’t know if he can actually do it, but there have been times watching him where it seems like he could evolve into a Batum-type who can fill a lot of statistical categories. That would be his ceiling, as he’s definitely still a project for now.
I like the return and it’s pretty fair, but 1) not sure if the Spurs want to take on all of Buddy’s $$$ when they’re just about to get some significant cap space and 2) three of their best players are guards.
Buddy, Bags, and Bjelly for Lavine, Markkanen, and a 2nd rounder????
Great trade for Kings ! Bulls say NO !
Yeah just going 1-to-1: Bjelly = 2nd, Bagley = Markkanen , Buddy = Lavine (?????)
I believe it is originally BestHyperboleEver’s idea but Whiteside straight up of Nicolas Claxton works for me.
Nets get a rim protector and rebounder in Whiteside for a title run and the Kings get a prospect on his rookie deal.
Kings move on from Bagley in prospect swap.
Bagley and Joseph for Rubio, McDaniels, and Vanderbilt
Minny gets the young PF they want to slot next to KAT. They are reportedly hot on John Collins so Bagley gets them a younger and potentially cheaper version of him in Bagley. They also get tout of Rubio’s deal and allow Russell and Edwards to run the backcourt.
Kings get two PF prospects in McDaniels and Vanderbilt. Rubio is salary filler but could be useful off the bench in place of Joseph and is also a better trade asset than Joseph going forward. If the Kings can move Buddy, at times a three guard lineup of Fox, Hali and Rubio could be something.
whew these proposals stink
I’ve been proposing Buddy to Philly for Green, Scott and Thybulle/Maxey/Reed/Joe for a while, as well as Barnes to Boston for Nesmith + 2021 1st. These seem like the simplest, likeliest and most mutually-agreeable trades when I look around the league. However I’ll propose two others just for fun:
https://tradenba.com/trades/g33nLRi_K
Buddy for Gary Harris and RJ Hampton + 2023 2nd rd pick swap. Gary’s injury leaves him as a risky commodity, but he could be a viable rotation player when he gets back, but maybe not. Buddy guarantees Denver a playable floor-spacer who fits well into their lineup. Hampton projects as a versatile, long-term backup to Fox and Hali. If Harris gets back and resembles his old self then we have another defensive rotation piece and a much more manageable contract. I threw in the pick swap just to add more reassurance for Denver.
https://tradenba.com/trades/banvwXPdO
Barnes, Bjelica and Holmes for Myles Turner, McDermott and Justin Holiday. For the love of God just do this one and add whatever 2nds necessary. Turner is the perfect frontcourt complement to Marvin Bagley who fits the timeline, provides defense/rebounding, allows the Kings to make use of Holmes value before free agency, and is under a manageable contract. McDermott should help stem the losses of Barnes/Bjelly and if you like what he brings you can resign him this offseason, otherwise his contract comes off the books. Holiday is a useful, low-cost asset that you could probably trade later. The Pacers are struggling and this trade gives them three valuable veterans who fits their roster extremely well in terms of size, spacing, defense and switchability in exchange for Turner who doesn’t fit despite his talents.
Post-trade Kings lineup:
Fox, CoJo, RJ, Guy
Hali, Harris, Ramsay
McDermott, Jeffries, Holiday
Bagley, Woodard, Parker
Turner, Whiteside, Metu
New Core:
Fox (23), RJ (20), Guy (23)
Hali (21), Ramsay (19)
2021 1st, Jeffries (23)
Bagley (22), Woodard (21)
Turner (25), Metu (24)
Need some veterans and starting-caliber forwards to put around them (hopefully Bagley can be one of them one day), but that’s a talented young team with a lot of complementary abilities.
Yeah they do.
Not sure how your feelings got so hurt by that comment that you felt the need to take your first-ever screenshot to post it here but thanks for the engagement I guess!
Ahh, I remember when I had my first beer…
Sam Amick saying the Kings aren’t as interested in moving Barnes as people think, and may be looking for another piece to make a run at the playoffs… (please be Monte trying to get better offers for Barnes…)
Stinks of Vivek longing for the 10th seed play in. I swear the new playoff rules are just to keep fringe teams from tanking. If offers just enough monetary incentive for a team like the Kings to keep trying to win.
Right, and a smart team will also realize that this means there will be more buyers in the marketplace trying to make it in and a more options for sellers.
But…that’s the point. To STOP teams from tanking. It’s an embarrassment to the league. Why would Silver EVER be ok with teams purposely losing. That’s a weak mentality. If that’s the case then even the teams put with the draft picks eliminate the draft altogether. That brings some major competition. Can you imagine watching basketball when all 32 teams are built to win?????? Best league ever….PERIOD
Not directed at you. You’re cool. Just saying.
It feels like the Kings just want more than future “assets” for Barnes. So like a good young player + a future first (or two).
I don’t get it. To me, Boston’s 2021 (currently sitting at #18), a young player like Nesmith or one of the Williams, and a large TPE seems like a very reasonable return for a player like Barnes.
I mean we don’t really know what Ainge is offering. Williams may be off the table. Maybe Ainge is requiring that McNair takes TT back in the trade (meaning the TPE would be less). Who knows with Ainge. To me, I think we should look at this stuff from the perspective of what moves they can make to be a playoff contender next season. Does Nesmith help from that perspective based of how he’s looked so far? A late first may help, but most picks in that range aren’t positive contributors in their rookie year.
Agreed and my hope is that this report from Amick is Monte trying to get more out of Ainge. Many reports are that Monte isn’t looking at next year for the playoffs, he’s looking at the 22-23 season at the earliest. Now, will he be allowed to execute his plan? That’s my concern?
All true, but I’d argue that the first round pick is still a first round pick and has significant value. There may not be a player there that helps the Kings but there may be one that helps someone else .
It could also be something that helps to move up in the draft. Say the Kings land around #10, it could possibly be packaged with the #10 to move up and get a player that can really help the Kings. It is the best asset in any possible trade with the Celtics, IMO.
Yeah I mean I don’t think the pick(s) is/are holding things up. I think the issue is the other stuff involved in a trade.
Please grade this trade:
Pacers get a look at James. Kings get a young wing on a cost controlled contract that’s guaranteed through the era in which Sac becomes beach front property.
(the Kings are still looking for that elusive playoff birth in the year of our lord 20,202)
That Martin contract is gonna become a real albatross once his value falls off around 2310.
Sometimes you start tinkering with an idea, and it takes on a life of its own:
https://tradenba.com/trades/z_vR7wBu_
Kings receive: Odalipo from Rockets; R. Lopez and Rui Hachimura from Wizards
Rockets receive: Bagley, Joseph from Kings
Wizards receive: Bjelica and Whiteside from Kings; McLemore from Rockets
Kings do this for cap flexibility this coming off-season by absorbing expiring money from Odalipo and Lopez while also getting Hachimura. (A good salesman could convince Vivek that this was a strategy to chase the 10 seed, while in reality it guarantees better lottery position this year.) Meanwhile, both Rockets and Wizards improve the balance sheet: DC with shorter contracts and Houston with less money.
Is it a terrible idea? Most likely. (Guard rotation issues immediately arise.) But it cycles three existing roster conundrums with relatively little long-term commitment.
Bonus: I think the math still sorta works if you flip MBIII and Bjelly, and I’d love to watch Westbrook react to Marvin on the floor as a teammate.
This is too much of a fake trade to ever happen, but it feels like it is fair and makes some sense for all involved:
I don’t know how to do protections over multiple years, so just imagine that’s what’s happening with the Kings pick. It’s probably a lot to give up, but Fox/Hali/Gordon/Collins seems like a fun young core to root for.
My concern would be that if you weren’t able to retain Collins, you’re stuck with an overpaid Gordon, and Kris Dunn.
I’ve spent years waiting for Aaron Gordon to become great, and I’m well past the point where I think it’s likely to happen.
I guess I should add that in this fake trade scenario, the Kings know the market for Collins in RFA, and are willing to match all offers.
Here’s another:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg8rwvs6
Kings trade Buddy, Whiteside, and Holmes for Robinson, Ntilikina, Burks, and Noel.
Kings do it to get Robinson and a flier on Ntilikina, plus they save a decent amount of money in salary for the rest of the year while washing their hands of Buddy’s contract. Knicks do it because they get significantly better without giving up too much. Plus Holmes seems like a Thibs kind of guy.
Knicks also have so much salary space next year that Buddy and resigning Holmes should still leave them with a max slot.
Very meh, but might be all we can get. Not sure if it’d happen, but I think New York could be an interesting trade partner.
Leave Burks off the plane. He was trash here. Mainly because he didnt want to be. It was all in his demeanor.
https://tradenba.com/trades/88hXQOsqC
Kings: This trade gives the Kings a core young player in Maxey, while also getting out of Buddy’s contract. A core of Fox, Haliburton, Maxey, and Bagley look promising with Barnes and Holmes as adding veteran leadership. Giving up two 2nd rounders isn’t a big deal since the Kings own multiple of them. Trading Bjelica is a must due to him not getting the playing time he desires and is not a fit with the direction the Kings are going.
76ers: Adding two 3 point shooters will help space the floor for both Simmons and Embiid. This will be crucial for them during the playoffs. It will be hard to give up Maxey, but for a team that is in win-now mode with a chance to win a championship, it is worth the risk. Green and Scott and salary fillers that won’t make much of a difference.
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