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Chainmail: Post-draft, pre-free agency edition

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Welcome back to Chainmail! Today’s edition is coming in the post-draft, pre-free agency window, so we’re taking question on both! As a review:

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RobHessing
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June 28, 2022 9:42 am

Show me your reasonable vision for the 12 man roster to begin the season.

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June 28, 2022 9:50 am
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June 28, 2022 9:52 am
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If you don’t get Jesus to play point, the rest of these guys are worthless.

1951
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June 28, 2022 9:53 am
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They even got LeBron James’s hair right.

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June 28, 2022 10:46 am
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I laughed way too hard at this. Probably why I’ve been relegated to basketball hell for the last 25 years.

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June 28, 2022 11:04 am
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Blasphemy is the best.

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June 28, 2022 12:48 pm
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LeBron isn’t worthless.

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June 28, 2022 12:37 pm
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I assume the James on the bottom is LeBron.

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June 28, 2022 4:23 pm
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Vivek is lower row, second from right.

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June 28, 2022 6:51 pm
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If they ain’t playing for a top pick for the next draft, they ain’t doing it right. Unless Murray is the new Tatum (and who the hell knows, maybe he is), this team is dog doody

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June 28, 2022 8:13 pm
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I’m not thinking we should pin our hopes on a rookie. Of course he could be Clyde the Glide!

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June 28, 2022 9:32 pm
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Pin our hopes on Murray or pin our hopes on the top pick of next years draft?

Which one?

I agree that Murray should earn his minutes and not be the next Bagley.

I also agree that this team should have tanked long ago to get draft picks that are assets.

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June 29, 2022 6:45 am

No rookie (even a ROY) should be expected to lead a bad team to the playoffs, this season next season, or ever. The Kings still need another starting quality forward.

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June 29, 2022 4:14 pm
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I think the Kings need four three new starting players.

I don’t anyone is expecting Murray or a first round pick to lead this team the to the playoffs in their rookie season.

Tanking, then getting better draft picks is a proven process to improve a team. Do you agree?

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June 28, 2022 9:42 am

I love the Murray pick! I wanted him over Ivey. I loved the Mike Brown hire. He was one of my favorites out of the initial list.

Check. Check.

So,

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June 28, 2022 9:51 am

Why do you think that so many people insist that the Kings had a good offer for the #4 pick, despite there being absolutely no evidence of such a great deal?

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June 28, 2022 3:15 pm
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Purpled!

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June 28, 2022 3:22 pm
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I don’t get why people figured there was a great offer, Detroit wanted Ivey and would have been happy with Murray, no good reason to give up an asset.

Collins for Chance at Murray? No thanks..

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June 28, 2022 9:54 am

Cap space be damned…What does your realistic 6-10 roster spots (primary backups) look like to make the playoffs?

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June 28, 2022 11:16 am

Murray, Holmes, Mitchell, DiVincenzo, Davis.

Because in order to be reasonably confident in making the playoffs, they need to add talented enough players to push guys like these to the bench.

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June 28, 2022 11:52 am

So, in your opinion, the Kings are still 2 starters away from being a playoff team, and I’d agree with that.

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June 28, 2022 12:00 pm
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Yeah. I mean, obviously it depends on who those starters are. If somehow one of them is a top-10 or 15 type, then one of these others guys could probably fill a spot passably. But short of that, I think they need another 2 unconditional starter types.

In case it isn’t clear, by “unconditional starter” I mean a guy you don’t have to say “sure, they could start in the right system or with the right personnel around them.”

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June 28, 2022 12:19 pm

Now that’s a bench I can get behind! I guess the follow up question would be “what two newly acquired starters push two of those guys to the bench?” Gary Payton Jr? Otto Porter? Malik Monk? John Collins?

I like your answer and agree but I project two of those players being starters, unless we can, hopefully, bring in two more to push them to the bench. As the roster currently stands and with Tim’s previously explained salary cap limitations, I could easily see Mitchell and Murray being starters on this team. Murray maybe not to start the year but certainly for at least half of the year or post-trade deadline.

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June 28, 2022 12:22 pm

Oh, I agree that two of those guys probably will be starters, I just don’t think that will create a starting 5 I’d feel comfortable beating on making the playoffs.

Your follow-up question is the big one. Really, I think only one of those guys (Collins) would be a no-doubt starter. The others are still guys that I think are best used from the bench.

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June 28, 2022 3:14 pm

That’s actually kind of why I asked the original question. Because I see two players like Murray and Mitchell starting, I really think we are going to need to beef up our 6-10 spots.

For the record, I’m excited to see a Mitchell and Fox backcourt if that ended up being the case. But if Mitchell is coming off the bench that’s really encouraging because it means we acquired a really good starting guard opposite Fox.

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June 28, 2022 5:29 pm

Mitchell as a starter can raise this team a notch thru tenacity and defense . Young version of Kyle Lowry – winner .

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June 28, 2022 12:35 pm

While I don’t necessarily expect Keegan to be good enough as a rookie to be a starter on a playoff team, it wouldn’t be a complete surprise for me if he was that good. Also, Sabonis pushed Holmes to the bench.

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June 28, 2022 12:56 pm

Anyone other than the current 6-10.

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June 28, 2022 3:16 pm

You’re not wrong!

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June 28, 2022 10:26 am

Do any of the following guys have a chance to make the roster?

Keon Ellis
Jared Rhoden
Jeriah Horne
Alex O’Connell
Jai Smith

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June 28, 2022 11:34 am
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June 28, 2022 10:38 am

Why are some people hurrying to extend Monte McNair’s contract? Why can’t it wait until after the AS break/trade deadline?

ZenBaller
June 28, 2022 10:44 am

Sasha Vezenkov today’s news. He made some new comments on Bulgarian media:

The Kings look at me positively and that could urge them make me a proposal at some point. For now, I’m totally focused on the national team […].

The way he said it sounded like there’s a decent possibility for this year.

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June 28, 2022 4:20 pm
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I read that as he has conditions to his coming to the NBA. Like a guaranteed rotational or starting spot.

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June 28, 2022 5:03 pm
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“Proposal” = money and playing time.
Is biannual to low2/8? and taxpayer midlevel too high4/43?

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June 28, 2022 10:59 am

Who is going to start next to Fox in the backcourt? Is that player currently on the roster?

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June 28, 2022 1:21 pm
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I don’t think so. I could put in a word for the Nets Bruce Brown.

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June 28, 2022 5:04 pm
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with the flat earth fella signing in NJ it would seem that Brown is “out”

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June 28, 2022 11:00 am

I’ve been reading that Keegan is actually a left hander but his brother taught him to shoot right handed; the exact opposite of De’Aaron Fox if I’m not mistaken.
Outside of being able to surprise defenders off the dribble with the “off”-hand, what benefits are there to this?

+1: Vezenkov played with Papa G last season at Olympiakos. Does that give us more or less chance of bringing him over this year?

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June 28, 2022 5:05 pm
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Ambidextrous = good

+1- worse chance.

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June 29, 2022 4:28 pm
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He’s an identical twin, so either he or his brother is left handed.

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June 28, 2022 11:03 am

With no clear starter/minute eater at the 2, is DDV the best the Kings can hope for by matching in RFA? If not, is there an alternative in the free agent market or already on the roster that is a better alternative?

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June 28, 2022 12:05 pm
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Adding onto this, what sort of sign/trade returns might there be for a DDV?

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June 28, 2022 12:12 pm
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I keep wondering who might throw money at DDV to try and pry him away from the Kings, and I can’t think of any. Few have the cap space or need for a player like him. At best I think he might be worth the full MLE. Maybe the Spurs offer more and a chance to start? He seems like a Spurs type player.

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June 28, 2022 3:07 pm
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He seems like a Spurs type player.

Exactly why I’d prefer we keep him for the next couple of years.

Adding that if we could figure out a SnT that moves him and another Kings asset for a decent near all-star that compliments our current core then we should probably do that.

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June 28, 2022 4:34 pm
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I don’t believe you can package a S&T player with anyone else. Multiple players can come in return but said player must go alone. I could be wrong.

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June 28, 2022 4:51 pm
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Multiple players can be packaged with a S&T player. The tricky part is helping around the BYC element of S&Ts.

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June 28, 2022 6:34 pm
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So specific and useful.

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June 29, 2022 8:05 am

Unlike yourself who has difficulty presenting yourself as either of those things let alone both simultaneously.

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June 28, 2022 5:07 pm
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Spurs roster is full- so there are options
at the same time, it is tough to get like for like.
Spurs did draft 3 wings. + Primo from last year.

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June 28, 2022 5:06 pm
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Olidipo might want a short-term deal to show his value
otherwise, DDV

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June 28, 2022 11:05 am

Kangz have to win more regular season games than 5 western conference teams to make the play-in. Assuming we make it to the 10 seed, name those teams. (to me 4 are obvious but the fifth is not)

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June 28, 2022 1:35 pm
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I have the current Kings lineup ranked 12th in the West.

Dubs, Mavs, Pels, Blazers, Grizz, Clips, Suns, Jazz,Nugs, Wolves, and Lakers as Top11.
If healthy.

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June 28, 2022 1:47 pm
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I have them in the second of three tiers (teams in no particular order within their tiers):
GS, Phx, Dal, Mem, Den, Min, LAC, Uta
NO, Por, LAL, Sac
SA, Hou, OKC

The age thing is real with the Lakers and cannot be ignored. Portland gets Lillard back but also drafted the rookie that may be least ready to make a contribution this year. New Orleans should be improved with the return of Zion, but chemistry is TBD with him / Ingram / McCollum.

My guess is that the Kings are in a four team race for 9 and 10, and they will need to perform at or near their peak while teams in their tier fall back to them. With no further additions to the top of the roster, I am not anticipating having to set aside any time in April for playoff basketball.

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June 28, 2022 1:52 pm
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I had the same list. I guess we’ll have to wait to see what happens in free agency too, but of those teams at the bottom, I have some questions.

Blazers – I’m not sure when exactly Dame started hurting, but they were barely flirting with .500 prior him going down with CJ. I don’t Grant makes up for that loss.

Clips – Is Kawhi fully recovered and if not, can PG repeat the hot start he had last season?

Jazz – What do they look like with a new coach, and do one of the stars get moved?

Lakers – They are another year older and need both AD and LeBron to stay healthy

The Kings would still need to improve to catch 2 of the above teams if they faltered.

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June 28, 2022 3:19 pm
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Spurs finished at the 10 spot last season 4 games ahead of Sacramento and they still have Coach Pop. They go in the Play-In tier for me.
That leaves OKC and Houston which both tip the PotentiaMeter with all their young talent. Maybe Jabari Smith, Jr. or Chet Holmgren really are dynamic win getters. Maybe their other young stars begin to blossom.

I am going with the oft healthier outlook that the Kings will underperform my underwhelming expectations. This has served me well these last 16 seasons. I am not saying I hope them to finish 12th in the West again, I am just saying I hope to be pleasantly surprised if they don’t.

Western Conference prognostication:
Phoenix won 64 games last season. That’s a ton. I expect them to have less wins next season.
Who is anybody’s guess, pre-FA, pre-season, to both
A) Top the West and
B) win 60?

The Western Conference – More Parity. The Sacramento Kings – more parody?

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June 28, 2022 3:20 pm

I’m figuring that D. Murray gets dealt and the Spurs embrace the tank.

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June 28, 2022 4:11 pm
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Indeed. Sounds like the Spurs are looking to tank given the Murray rumors. They may just pull another Duncan by landing the first pick and getting Victor.

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June 28, 2022 5:37 pm
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It is still a lottery .

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June 28, 2022 8:46 pm
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yeah, I don’t see why trade a young all-star PG who plays both ways just to hopefully increase the odds of landing the #1 pick. Hell, I’d trade Fox straight up for Murray if we could. Spurs would laugh at the offer. That’s why they are now insisting on 4 first round picks for Murray. They only trade him for a ransom.

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June 28, 2022 11:05 am

Complete the trade: Holmes, Holiday, and a lightly protected 1st round pick for…

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June 28, 2022 11:37 am
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For reference, that’s about $17MM in salary. Right in the Anunoby/Robinson range.

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June 28, 2022 11:43 am

OG seems to fit what the Kings want to do with the roster. He would help defensively and allow for Keegan to come off the bench and ease in to the season.

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June 28, 2022 11:52 am
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He does in theory, but he’s a “when he can stay on the court” guy. And I’m not a fan of investing much in those guys. If you could be sure of his health I’d be fine with that deal. But you can’t, so it gets pretty nervy.

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June 28, 2022 11:56 am

Games played:
17-18:74
18-19: 67
19-20: 69
20-21: 43 (covid shortened season, I think)
21-22: 48

Not the best. I don’t remember the injury, think it was in the lower body.

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June 28, 2022 12:08 pm
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He tore his ACL, missing the second half of his last college season. Missed time in ’19 for an appendectomy (though I don’t hold that against him as it certainly isn’t a future concern). Missed intermittent games in 20-21 and 21-22 with a lingering calf and hip issues. Then he fractured his finger last season.

I’m not worried about the finger or appendix. But the ongoing lower-body issues are an issue. Especially for a guy so heavily dependent on his athleticism and agility.

I could still probably get behind the idea, and it wouldn’t be a franchise killer if he didn’t become a star, but the injuries definitely play a role in my comfort level.

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June 28, 2022 11:50 am

I’d go for Robinson. The Kings desperately need floor spreaders. I also think you wouldn’t need to include the pick.

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June 28, 2022 11:56 am
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I’m not sure the rest of the supporting cast can support giving a lot of minutes to a guy quite as one-dimensional as Robinson.

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June 28, 2022 12:01 pm

I think he provides the gravity to the perimeter that Fox and Sabonis need to maximize their games. I’d tell Duncan to either float behind the 3pt line or cut for layups off a Sabonis pass, and that’s it. Use him like Klay.

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June 28, 2022 12:09 pm
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Yeah, you just have to ask if Klay is so great if he’s an easy target on the other end. A big reason Klay is so effective for the Warriors is that he’s a great shooter AND a plus, versatile defender.

Like I said, I’m just not sure the Kings have the personnel to make up for Duncan’s lack of any contribution beyond his floor spacing.

I’d probably rather have someone like Martin, who’s a lesser but decent shooter but brings more other skills to the court. And, of course, cheaper.

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June 28, 2022 12:14 pm

Very true. Here’s hoping coach Brown would have some solution for the other end of the court.

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June 28, 2022 1:09 pm
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It will depend on what he has to work with. Right now, the two cornerstones of the team are how les to plu on D. With Robinson, that’s 3.

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June 28, 2022 1:22 pm
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How les to plu?

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June 28, 2022 1:29 pm
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Crap: holes to plug. Sorry

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June 28, 2022 12:55 pm

I think Hield showed that they can’t.

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June 28, 2022 12:58 pm
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Who is they? All that’s left of the core from the Buddy era is Fox and Barnes. IMO, Sabonis needs a Buddy type shooter to be successful.

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June 28, 2022 1:20 pm
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I think Sabonis & the other current Kings wouldn’t have been able to cover up for Hield’s defensive mistakes.

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June 28, 2022 3:02 pm
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I agree Adam. I think Robinson would look better here than he does in Miami.

I would imagine that Brown is going to be considerably more clever than the previous coach in defensive schemes and might be able to make it work for 25 min a game.

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June 28, 2022 3:23 pm
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The Heat just paid a guy $90M and then he sees hardly any playoff minutes. Uncan Robinson does not seem like a good get.

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June 28, 2022 5:43 pm

Please no Robinson . Beat out by undrafted Max Strus . Trade for him !

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June 28, 2022 9:00 pm
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A shooter. Hopefully not a Buddy type.

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June 28, 2022 12:10 pm
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Glad I’m not the only one who thinks that about Robinson!

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June 28, 2022 12:20 pm
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Only positive I’ve seen out of Robinson is his shooting. Anything else is a lot to be desired. And he earns 17 million next year which is too rich for my taste.

We just get rid of ourselves with Buddy (shooter and no defense) and only to replace him with someone similar.. I’d go for a hard pass.

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June 28, 2022 5:40 pm
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Miami would give picks to move him . Terrible contract .

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June 28, 2022 8:50 pm
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Then the Kings should take picks to bring him on. Yeah it’s a terrible contract, but getting his shooting, contract, and picks, while moving other contracts (Holmes) is better then overpaying for some middling vet in free agency with nothing in return.

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June 28, 2022 9:22 pm
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Terence Davis is better and he is here and under contract .

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June 28, 2022 10:30 pm
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Wait…we just got rid of Buddy Hield and you want a poor man’s Buddy Hield?

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June 29, 2022 7:16 am
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The Kings should definitely get a pick back in a deal for Robinson.

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June 28, 2022 12:07 pm

I would guess that OJ would cost an additional pick and Robinson shouldn’t cost a pick.

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June 28, 2022 12:11 pm
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Maybe. I don’t know. I think these types of markets are hard to guess at.

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June 28, 2022 1:25 pm

I like Anunoby first and Kuzma secod. You can have Collins.

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June 28, 2022 1:27 pm
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I think Kuzma’s well below Collins & Anunoby.

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June 28, 2022 4:04 pm
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Could you go a little farther on why that’s true. Anonoby might be but is always hurt. If you look at the major stats such as scoring and rebounds Kuzma wins out. Don’t understand.

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June 28, 2022 4:05 pm
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PS Kuzma is making 13M for the next two years way below the other two.

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June 28, 2022 5:07 pm
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Collins is a better shooter & defender than Kuzma. Anunoby’s a much better defender than Kuzma. However, he’s definitely more injury-prone than Kuzma.

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June 28, 2022 5:09 pm
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You don’t understand because you’re looking at an extremely narrow couple stats without any context or nuance. Even just looking at last season, which was easily Kuzma’s career best and one of Collins’ worst, Kuzma scored less than 1 more pt per game. Great! But it took him more than two more shots per game and 4 more USG points to do it. The short story is that Collins’ 16.2 pts/gm on 20USG and a .610 TS% means that Collins scoring benefits his team’s offense more than Kuzma’s 17.1 pts on 24 USG and .547 TS%. As for rebounding, you have to keep in mind the context. Collins shares the floor primarily with an elite rebounding C in Capela. Kuzma shared the floor primarily with poor rebounding Cs in Gafford and Harrell.

But even if you wanted to put all of that aside, to compare two players on different teams, at the very least you need to compare their “per 100 possessions” numbers. Doing so reveals that the only statistical advantages Kuzma has are in assists (he handles the ball A LOT more, especially with Beal out), though he also turns it over enough that Collins has a better AST:TO ratio, and Kuzma makes more total 3s but does it at a lower percentage as Kuzma’s 3pt percentage is below league average and Collins’ is above.

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June 28, 2022 5:46 pm
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Agree, Kuzma is better and more available with a reasonable contract .

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June 28, 2022 11:19 am

Ham put together a reasonable list.

https://twitter.com/James_HamNBA/status/1541846068840738816

Which of these would you add to the Kings?

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June 28, 2022 11:28 am
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Jalen Smith, Taurean Prince and even Oladipo (if we lose Donte in FA).

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June 28, 2022 11:33 am
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Martin twins are interesting. The rest are not that intriguing

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June 28, 2022 11:35 am
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I would absolutely make a run at Roby, and keep a close eye on the Smith market. Adding a Martin would be nice. Preferably Cody, but the RFA issue is big for the Kings.

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June 28, 2022 3:40 pm

If you go after Roby do you not keep Lyles? I guess Roby instead of Metu.. I think we need more help at 3 because Bar es can also play 4 and as much as I love Murray I see him spending most time at 4

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June 28, 2022 5:12 pm
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I’d let Metu walk since he’s non-guaranteed and not as good as the other two. Lyles is fine on his contract, but neither of them are guys I’d really consider that much in my decision making. Personally, I think Roby is better than both and has more upside.

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June 28, 2022 5:20 pm

Lyles got signed today
Brown coached Metu on Nigerian national team.

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June 28, 2022 5:48 pm
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What do you mean Trey got signed today. The Kings had a team option. Did they pick it up? I would be surprised if they elected not to.

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June 28, 2022 6:20 pm

Trey’s team option was indeed picked up today. No word on DDV and Queta’s QO’s as of yet. We’ll hear about that tomorrow, that’s the deadline.

People find extension, team option, and new contract interchangeable I’ve found.

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June 28, 2022 6:44 pm
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All those people less than you…..

How do you do it?

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June 28, 2022 6:58 pm

He is just crazy that way; similar to the way I read the entire SCOTUS opinion or Controversial bills at state and federal level..

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June 28, 2022 9:35 pm
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You should get a sticker!

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June 29, 2022 8:03 am
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What kinda crazy are you W2W? First, you’re all pro Keegan Murray and now you actually read SCOTUS’ opinions on the cases before them? What’s next? Base jumping with Batman?

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June 30, 2022 4:18 pm
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Base jumping with Batman would at least be exhilarating! It’s really all a waste of time to go down the rabbit holes I do.. oh well!

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June 28, 2022 5:19 pm

Like most twins, the Martin’s add a bit of nasty (think Morris)
Cody better scorer.
Bench guys.
SAS would be a good spot for DDV but they have a ton of wings- and drafted 3 more.

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June 28, 2022 1:03 pm
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1 of the Martin twins would be nice. Brown’s the most intriguing player in his guards article, but Idk if he’d leave the Nets.

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June 28, 2022 1:36 pm
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Of the above forwards on Ham’s list the two I like are Jalen Smith and Isiah Roby.

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June 28, 2022 3:37 pm
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Either of the Martin Twins..

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June 28, 2022 4:05 pm
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Tier 1: Right fit, right price.
Prince
Roby
Caleb Martin

Tier 2: Worth the risk if other options are missed
Porter Jr.
Boucher
Cody Martin
Jalen Smith

Tier 3: Meh or Nope
Warren (injuries and too much of a wild card)
Jones Jr (if he’s anything other than your 11th man, meh)
Kyle Anderson (ultra meh)
House Jr (Meh)
Okogie (not interested at all)

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June 28, 2022 11:57 am

Q1: Keegan Murray is expected to be wonderful and turns the ripe age of 22 in August – but is he ready to be a first day starter? Is that a reasonable expectation? Preferable to start him with HB or let him grow into the role? That is a question for HC Brown and his staff, but what is your opinion?

If he is not the starter – who would you expect to be of the current pre-FA roster?

Q2: Now that Keegan Murray is a King – will he continue to pick up the check for meals for both Fox and Sabonis? Where will they dine next? Lunch or Dinner?

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June 28, 2022 12:13 pm

I’m generally of the opinion that, except in extreme cases of generational prospects, teams with any ambition at all should build their roster as if the rookie won’t be starting immediately.

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June 28, 2022 4:24 pm

That would be ideal. At the moment, I’m guessing that Trey Lyles at PF might be the way to go if they want to ease Murray into NBA play. I suppose it’s either that or a small lineup with Barnes & Mo at the 3/4, which I don’t think anyone is excited about.

I do think that Lyles is going to have a good season. He’s very skilled, stretches the floor, is a smart defender, and will be playing for a new contract. Maybe Mike Brown can coax out all of that potential that made Lyles a lottery pick back in 2015.

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June 28, 2022 1:40 pm

To your first question the only free agent I can think about would be Bobby Portis. About lunch or dinner I don’t care as long as they invite me.

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June 28, 2022 1:49 pm

Q1: I understand experts hate that the Kings passed on Ivey, but from what I’ve listened to, I think they all agree Murray is the most “day 1 starter” out of everyone in the lottery. I expect him to start right away.

Q2: In and Out for everyone!

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June 28, 2022 12:12 pm

Just now:

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The Kings remain engaged in talks for Atlanta’s John Collins.

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June 28, 2022 12:40 pm
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Pick swap, Holmes+Holiday+Davis? What the hell does Atlanta really want for Collins, other than getting him off the roster?

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June 28, 2022 1:49 pm
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cap space i.e. Harrison Barnes.

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June 28, 2022 4:08 pm
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Atlanta wants Dejounte Murray. That’s a heck of a lot more than we could trade for.

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June 28, 2022 4:10 pm
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But SA does not appear to want Collins – if the reports are right, they want a full tank.

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June 28, 2022 4:21 pm
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Depending on the car they drive a Full Tank will cost them a lot! I specifically if they get it in California

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June 28, 2022 4:46 pm
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Most of the Murray talk seems to be coming from Atlanta, not San Antonio. Imagine that.

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June 28, 2022 4:53 pm
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Yep. We’ll see if anything comes of it soon enough. Murray posted the old cryptic chin rub a few hours ago.

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June 28, 2022 5:00 pm
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SA could trade him, I have no doubt of that. But for John Collins? Believe it when I see it.

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June 28, 2022 5:02 pm
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Everything that I have read says that Collins is not part of the deal – SA does not want the salary. Sounded like shorter contracts and picks.

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June 28, 2022 5:05 pm
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That said, if the deal has legs and you’re Sac and trying to jump in, the expiring of Barnes to SA might get you in the door. Murray to Atl., Collins to Sac., Barnes and Atl. picks to SA.

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June 28, 2022 5:10 pm
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That would be worth doing.

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June 28, 2022 5:21 pm
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I could see SA try to pinch Jalen Johnson or Griffin from Atl. while they’re at it. I’m guessing the Davion’s name would come up as well, but that would be a pass for me.

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June 28, 2022 5:27 pm
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Yep. I can see that.

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June 28, 2022 5:47 pm
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Can WE try to pinch Jalen Johnson? He’s a talented guy.

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June 28, 2022 6:23 pm

Yes! Let’s poach all the talent!!!

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June 28, 2022 6:27 pm
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From what I heard, the guy they are interested is Okongwu to be included in the deal

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June 28, 2022 4:14 pm
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Don’t think we should have to give up more than a highly protected first rounder as the center piece for Collins given his contract. Even then, don’t know that it makes sense given Murray and it’s hard for me to look past that contract because it basically locks us into a core of Fox, Sabonis and Collins which isn’t going anywhere.

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June 28, 2022 12:13 pm

Let’s talk Bulgarians. This will be a two-parter, and I’ll take my answer off the air.

Is Sasha Vezenkov already the best Bulgarian basketball player of all time, better even than Cedric Simmons, Vaunt Saxoni, Dmitri Angelov, Doneeka Lewis, Peanut Alleev, and Pasha Georgiev?

Part two. How many of these guys are completely made up?

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June 28, 2022 12:44 pm
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Thank you for Part two, I was struggling to reconcile Bulgarian surnames with Lewis & Simmons.

Having said that, I honestly don’t know if any of the names are real.

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June 28, 2022 12:56 pm
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One of those names I remember from the 80’s Olympic Weight Lifting squad.

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June 28, 2022 1:23 pm

If it’s the same guy you’re thinking of, my recollection is that he was a high-ranking member of Spuds McKenzie’s entourage.

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June 28, 2022 3:40 pm
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Those two are real.

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June 28, 2022 4:26 pm
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I believe they were all drafted by Vlade Divac in the 2016 lottery.

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June 28, 2022 4:45 pm
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Vlade owed his Dad a favor.

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June 28, 2022 5:27 pm

Marinovic or whoever did get moved by the Kings- or his rights plus cash considerations ( that pesky old power forward)

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June 28, 2022 12:36 pm

Monte seems to be under a win now mandate which might partly explain his moves.

Let’s assume the Spurs would have assembled this roster or a new Kings owner would hire a new manager. How would someone maximise the assets on the roster? Do you think they would trade Fox and draft differently (potentially twice in the first round with the return of such a trade)?

I fail to see how a team led by Fox will achieve contender status, and positioning the team for an 8th seed does not seem to make a lot of sense for any franchise apart from the Kings. Even the Pacers acknowledged as much recently.

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June 28, 2022 12:40 pm
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What seed do you feel should be the minimum the organization should be positioning for in ’22-23? And, based on actual reality, which includes not being able to force teams into one-sided trades, or lure high-end free agents, how would you make that happen?

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June 28, 2022 12:43 pm
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My impression is that Fox doesn’t have a lot of trade value right now. I think the Kings will be led by Sabonis, not Fox (though the Kings are a long way from being a contender).

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June 28, 2022 12:45 pm
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I agree, Sabonis is the cog to the Kings roster that determines its success or not. Fox is second fiddle, which I feel is a good thing.

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June 29, 2022 8:42 am
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I would trade Fox. One option I have been reading about is Fox to the Knicks for Barrett, Rose ad two 2023 draft picks.

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June 28, 2022 5:54 pm
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Fox will be the leading scorer and 4th best player by seasons end .