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Sacramento Kings select Keegan Murray 4th overall

Murray is a perfect fit for the Kings needs.
By | 229 Comments | Jun 23, 2022

Iowa forward Keegan Murray (15) dunks the ball during a NCAA Big Ten Conference men's basketball game against Illinois, Monday, Dec. 6, 2021, at Carver-Hawkeye Arena in Iowa City, Iowa. 211206 Ill Iowa Mbb 024 Jpg

With the 4th overall pick in the 2021 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings have selected forward Keegan Murray out of Iowa!

Murray’s selection makes a ton of sense for a team with Sacramento’s needs. He was one of the best and most complete players in college basketball last season, as the breakout sophomore put up 23.5 points, 8.7 boards, 1.5 assists, 1.3 steals, and 1.9 blocks per game, and his two-way versatility should serve as a solution for many of the roster’s issues last season. Murray’s long-term pairing with Domantas Sabonis is particularly exciting, as any big man next to Sabonis must to be able to space the floor (Murray shot 40% from deep on 4.7 attempts per game), protect the rim on the weak side (1.9 blocks per game), and act as a defensive sweeper when opposing guards penetrate the lane. Murray doesn’t carry the defensive pedigree of a Davion Mitchell or Herb Jones or Mikal Bridges, but he should be a much more dynamic defensive contributor than Harrison Barnes.

Offensively, Murray carried a massive offensive burden at Iowa and rarely fell through for his team. He scored in double-digits in 34 of his 35 games, and his ability to score, and score efficiently, from the post, on drives, and from beyond the arc should translate to the NBA, even if he doesn’t finish his career as a 20-point scorer. With De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis as the primary offensive outlets, the Kings don’t necessarily need their third guy to be an all-time scorer, but Murray’s scoring prowess will act as an important safety valve for his more tenured teammates, especially if one is on the bench or out due to injury.

The biggest question mark facing Murray isn’t one of translation or ability, but rather it’s one of questionable star potential. Many will likely criticize the Kings for what they would consider to be a slight reach at the fourth spot, but Murray’s underrated two-way ceiling and his fit with Sacramento’s two cornerstones makes this an understandable and justifiable choice by General Manager Monte McNair. As Bryant wrote, for a team looking to win much sooner rather than later, Murray’s abilities may unlock the next level of this roster:

Murray would undoubtedly help the Kings, or any lottery team, on both ends of the court. He’d become the second best shooter in Sacramento (behind Harrison Barnes), provide further spacing for De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis, and add another transition threat. On defense, he’d give them a semi-switchable combo forward who can play with physicality, offer some rim protection, and attack the passing lanes. The Kings haven’t prioritized forward talent for a decade and a half, and adding one with Keegan’s combination of versatility and composure would help this team tremendously in a lot of eras they struggle in.

Welcome to Sacramento, Keegan!

The Kings still own the 37th pick in the draft, so stay tuned to The Kings Herald for more coverage.

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Adamsite
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June 23, 2022 5:27 pm

I love it.

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June 23, 2022 5:44 pm
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Cheaper than Collins. Wanted to be here. Ready to contribute on Day 1. Ain’t electric.

Could be a disaster. More likely a very safe pick.

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June 23, 2022 5:53 pm
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Not to pick on ImpossibleNapear’s use of wording here, but I dislike the “safe” pick talk and the negative connotations it comes with…when did someone being so solid in their game that it somehow becomes a negative to their value while someone not playing for year has “mystery” that somehow adds to their worth as a draft pick, I just don’t get it.

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June 23, 2022 6:04 pm
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Safe means safe.

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June 23, 2022 6:24 pm
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Yeah, it may not have been the best post to respond to as you didn’t use in a negative way. I just meant to say that safe doesn’t mean that he can’t be a star, it just means less likely to bust.

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June 23, 2022 8:00 pm
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Most likely to contribute from day 1 on both offense and defense. High floor. I sort of doubt he’ll be the best player from the class in 5 years, but I wouldn’t bet against him either.

Other than we drafted him and we’re cursed. Sorry Murray!

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June 23, 2022 8:41 pm
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Monte McNair’s safe word is Keegan Murray

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June 24, 2022 1:34 am

I’ll add:
Tyrese Halliburton
Davion Mitchell

I do see a certain type of player emerging in the choices.

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June 23, 2022 10:35 pm
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creepy and sad that safe means San Antonio

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June 24, 2022 1:46 pm
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I don’t get it either. Keegan Murray reminds me of a Tim Duncan style player. Fundamentally sound, well rounded game, kind of boring while doing the right thing. I’m good with Boring, if it brings a better quality of play. And now I’m not saying that Keegan Murray will have the same career or be near as good as Tim Duncan, but I’ll take 75% of Tim Duncan all day

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June 23, 2022 9:10 pm
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Did you say electric or eclectic?

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June 23, 2022 7:57 pm
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I really like the pick too. Murray was my very first draft crush this year. I was rooting to somehow thread the needle of getting Murray and scoring an additional asset. Oh well. Welcome to Sac!

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June 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Solid. No fears with him, but hopefully he has some greatness in him.

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June 23, 2022 6:10 pm
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I think he’ll at least be good & he could potentially be great.

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June 23, 2022 6:32 pm
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Want to feel better about not drafting Ivey. Read this scorchingly bad review of his game from a guy who watched every shot last season https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/5/17/23068617/nba-draft-detroit-pistons-jaden-ivey-what-i-learned-from-watching-every-shot-assist-turnover-steal

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June 23, 2022 7:00 pm
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I read that before the draft. It reflects my concerns about Ivey (though I’m not as pessimistic about him as that writer).

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June 23, 2022 8:02 pm
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Ivey was my third favorite prospect after Banchero and then Jabari and ahead of Murray. I’ve been wrong before though!

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June 23, 2022 8:29 pm
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I thought Ivey was the 5th best prospect, but I thought he was a tier below Murray.

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June 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Meh.

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June 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Yes!

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June 23, 2022 5:29 pm

Yeah boy!

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June 23, 2022 5:30 pm

Kings got better

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June 23, 2022 5:30 pm

I thought Smith is going to fall to #4 when Paolo is taken at #1

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June 23, 2022 6:12 pm

I hoped that’d happen, but I didn’t expect it to happen. However, it came closer to happening than I expected. At any rate, I think Murray was the BPA.

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June 23, 2022 8:25 pm
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Agreed Richie. There is just a ton to like about Murray, and he is a size and position of genuine importance in todays game.

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June 23, 2022 5:31 pm

Haters take it somewhere else. You know you’re gonna be cheering for him 😂😂😂

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June 23, 2022 6:01 pm
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This is gospel.

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June 23, 2022 6:06 pm
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No it’s not! People have a right to be pissed. You cannot possibly tell me your happy with this teams decisions over the last 16 years right? I wish the guy well but I already know this will be an over paid role player for us in 6 years.

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June 23, 2022 6:11 pm
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You do not know that . You think you know that .

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June 23, 2022 6:15 pm
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The Kings have made a lot of bad to awful decisions, but I don’t think this is 1 of them. At the very least, Murray should be a solid starter & I think he could potentially be a star. He seemed like the BPA to me.

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June 23, 2022 6:23 pm
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I like your basketball takes a good portion of the time, but that’s a really disgusting comment man.

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June 23, 2022 6:26 pm
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Why?…too soon?

Or perhaps too early?

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June 23, 2022 6:28 pm
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This guy gets it.

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June 23, 2022 7:17 pm
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The very notion of such a thing is disgusting, but incel vibes are incel vibes.

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June 23, 2022 8:11 pm
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As someone that teaches 3rd and 4th graders, go fuck yourself

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June 23, 2022 8:14 pm
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Your worst takes are the worst takes on this board. Shame on you.

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June 23, 2022 5:32 pm

The wing is THE most important position in the current NBA.

He reminds me of Siakim. But I think he will be better than him on defense.

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June 23, 2022 6:02 pm
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I’m not sure Murray is a wing, although that assessment applies more to defense than offense. He’ll figure it out.

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June 23, 2022 6:09 pm
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Agreed.

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June 23, 2022 6:21 pm
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he’s a large wing, and can probably effectively cover some of your larger SFs

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June 23, 2022 6:30 pm
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He is much better on defense than he is given credit for.

SportsJunkies’ excellent summary and models, but more importantly his analytical notes re what the data was telling him about Keegan’s defense and ability to block shots, among other notes, is worth a second review after the draft dust settles.

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June 23, 2022 6:31 pm
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I agree with you. I don’t know how much opportunity he had to deal with really athletic wings, since (I think) he spent a lot of time banging with centers and power forwards.

Anyway, he’s a rookie, and will get burnt from time to time. I’m certain that he’s capable of learning and improving, but he might not be a great match-up on hyper-athletic wings. Then again, few are.

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June 23, 2022 8:40 pm
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I’d say he’s a forward. I think he’ll be able to guard most PF’s & some SF’s & small ball C’s.

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June 23, 2022 5:33 pm

It’s the player i wanted, but the inability to extract another asset and still get him makes me question the deftness of the front office.

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June 23, 2022 5:34 pm
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Murray wouldnt fall past 5. And Detroit had no reason to make a trade with us

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June 23, 2022 5:43 pm
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This.

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June 23, 2022 6:03 pm
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You and your, simple, logical, and obvious explanations.

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June 23, 2022 5:58 pm
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my thoughts as well. Much better fit than Ivey. But I thought Monte could extract something from Detroit but thy must have know that this was a smokescreen and a trade to Pacers was off the table since Pacers would have taken Murray at 4.

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June 23, 2022 9:45 pm
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It was like a game of chicken with Monte and Detroit, and Detroit called his bluff. Would Monte take the guy he didn’t want, who was the worse fit? He didn’t, to his credit, would have been a pernicious move.

I favored Ivey, but am glad both players ended up with the teams they hoped for.

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June 23, 2022 5:34 pm

Makes a Collins trade less likely, me thinks

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June 23, 2022 6:00 pm
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probably takes it off the table. King really liked Murray, who was redundant with Collins and Hawks wanted too much- like Davion or a 2023 pick

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June 23, 2022 7:22 pm
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with that said, I’d much rather have traded Barnes and Mitchell to end up with Ivey and Collins!!

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June 23, 2022 5:34 pm

Looking to getting another ROY (fingers crossed) and a better future than our last one (fingers crossed really hard)

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June 23, 2022 5:35 pm

The guy I wanted, so I’m happy. I don’t really consider it much of a reach either, considering he’d be gone by 5 or 6.

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June 23, 2022 5:35 pm

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

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June 23, 2022 5:37 pm

As much as I like Keegans game I have fears based on the precedence of this franchise drafting older rookies and factoring fit more than most teams in the draft. I think the Kings mediocrity has been mostly based being a bit short sided. I like Keegans game and I think its not egregious. He has a lot of things I personally value. But the age and upside makes me worried and the kings leash to take risks in those areas is short.

That said welcome Keegan!

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June 23, 2022 5:40 pm

Man. He’s 22! He’s a kid everywhere but in the NBA. I think getting guys who have been coached, grown, learned to play. I love this pick. Age. Sheesh.

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June 23, 2022 5:44 pm
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he’s only 21…at least for another 2mos

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June 23, 2022 8:16 pm
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He’s been getting better so rapidly, that I don’t think he’s already reached his ceiling.

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June 23, 2022 5:41 pm

Mediocrity?? The kings haven’t been even mediocre in 15 years. The draft busts have a lot to do with that, and I would be surprised if Keenan turns into a bust.

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June 23, 2022 6:18 pm
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Some of the lottery picks will be busts . There always are a few .

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June 23, 2022 8:20 pm
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Thanks?

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June 23, 2022 6:05 pm

At the ancient age of twenty-two, I peaked. I never learned anything new, and never got better at anything.

A typical experience, if the comments are any guide.

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June 23, 2022 6:29 pm
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By most metrics and statistical models a basketball player is closer to the player they will be at 22 then they are at 18. He is likely on precedent closer to the player he will ultimately be the majority of his career. Dramatic growth post 25 is rare statistically which he is three years away from. Thats of course not set in stone, and the improvements made in that time could be enough, but the examples are smaller in relation to a growth curve for an older rookie then a younger one.

Granted if his production and impact can translate in a jump in competition then this isn’t really an issue. I will preface I really do like Murrays game and even more his ethos, but my main issue with the Kings is process and outcome in relation to their decisions which overrules me aesthetically enjoying a guys game. This isnt as clear black and white as past blunders made with similar rationale but still has overlaps that make me raise concerns.

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June 23, 2022 8:48 pm

Murray’s only 1 year older than Ivey, so it isn’t a major difference. I’d say Ivey needs to improve a lot more than Murray, so I think Murray will likely be a better player than Ivey.

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June 23, 2022 11:38 pm

Its not easy to get the 4th pick, especially since the Kings are usually just terrible enough to not be dead last. With the fourth pick in a 4-6 player draft lottery, you don’t aim for adjectives like “safe/solid/good … fits a need” — you always take best talent with highest ceiling, which a majority of experts agreed was Ivey.

The Kings have shown a pattern of drafting for fit, which neatly fits their timeline pattern for losing — and being the most mocked and player-despised team in the NBA. If the Kings ignored Ivey b/c he didn’t want to come to Sacto, they should put on big-boy pants, grow thicker skin, or maybe just ignore prob 95 percent of NBA players … because nobody wants to be there. But winning cures all.

I bet Ivey would’ve fallen in love w/the Kings had he been given a chance to be our tough/go-to scorer that we so desperately need down the stretch of games, someone who cannot be stopped (plus he’s an underrated passer) … instead, weirdly, we continue to treat Fox as if he’s a franchise player that the entire Kings universe must revolve around. He’s just not. I gave him plenty of chances. Still his only elite attribute is speed, and that is fading fast like a cheap rose. Ideally, Fox is a slashing/scoring six man like Ben Gordon or someone who comes in for bursts of scoring. NAH the PG who makes others better and brings joy to all who watch. That was Tyrese Halliburton, we had a great one that slipped through our fingers bc …. of Fox.

Keegan is a nice role player, seems to have decent bball IQ, but at 22 is not likely to suddenly take another big leap into star potential at NBA . I hope he proves me wrong, and of course, Ill root for him — But its going to be so painful to possibly watch Ivey — who has the freakish athleticism to be dominant in this league — become the next exciting player to watch, like Jah — and to know gee, Monty, we could’ve breathed some life back into the purple corpse of the Kangz, if only … If only we learned from our mistakes.

Murray may (technically) be the better rounded player right now, but Ivey is dangerous and he’s coming …Plus after the legendary Doncic foulup … if Ivey does become a star, Ranadive should be gagged and bound during all basketball decisions, I don’t need to know his latest silly heart throb .. and the Kings really should consider drafting by online poll w/Kings fans. Would likely work out much better.

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June 24, 2022 2:15 pm
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Must be a heavy burden always being right! I’m curious if Ivey flames out or is average will you come here and admit that you are not always right?

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June 23, 2022 8:17 pm
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Certainly applies to me!

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June 24, 2022 12:40 am
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You know sims – I’ve only met you twice at SacTown Royalty nights at ARCO but I have always wondered about that.

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June 23, 2022 6:17 pm

Should only be good for 12 years . Big concern .

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June 23, 2022 9:29 pm
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Damn.

Just realizing our playoff drought is longer than many players’ entire careers.

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June 23, 2022 10:50 pm
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This makes me want to research how many players are left in the NBA that were playing when the Kings last made the playoffs in 05-06.

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June 24, 2022 1:03 am
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Carmelo Anthony, Udonis Haslem, LeBron James, Trevor Ariza,Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Joe Johnson, Chris Paul, and Lou Williams.

LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay, Kyle Lowry, Paul Millsap, Rajon Rondo entered the following year

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June 23, 2022 6:26 pm

I agree with this. Most people are going to mock the age thing and compare it regular aspects of life. Fact is most elite NBA players over the last 15 years have the ability to opt to enter the draft at 19-20 because they display elite talent and will be picked in the lottery. Doesnt always pan out but it’s true more often than Murray’s path.

I’ve posted it before but if you look at players 21 or older at draft time in the lottery, the results aren’t good over the last decade. Not all busts, but not a ton of franchise altering talent. Being 22 itself when drafted isn’t terrible…if it didn’t mean you were playing against many 18-20 year olds who you developmentally are superior too. That matters.

I don’t hate the pick. I wasn’t enamored with Ivey or Sharpe by the end here…so it’s fine. But history over last 10-12 years would suggest Murray is likely nothing more than a Solid starter at best…which feels disappointing when drafting 4th. Drafting 8-12 is a different story.

Im rooting for Keegan and there is some stuff to like. Go Kings.

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June 23, 2022 6:49 pm
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Better said than I Wizs. I dont mean to be a buzzkill, especially for a player I do aesthetically enjoy to watch and find really engaging. But the opportunity costs, precedence and frustrations I have had with the franchise in approaching a fair amount of decisions with similar rationale, is what it is.

I really agree with the hesitations on the alternatives which is important to weigh. But the growth plate as you state is smaller with less assurance for an older rookie then the other options. We dont have to look that far in our own draft history (with picks largely justified on win now and fit aspirations) to see case and point.

Its there that is the crux personally. I have harped process to outcome questions on the teams FO for a decade on this blog. Failing and succeeding will happen, but neither are necessarily proof of concept. Its how and with what rationale we make decisions that is informative and in our case inconsistent or not what I would prioritize.

Murray in a vacuum is really intriguing, maybe even for the Kings having forced a timeline in a way I wouldnt have. If another team picked him I would have gone out of may way to watch him play. But thats a different factor based on the opportunity costs and when pertaining to us.

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June 23, 2022 8:55 pm
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I think the age thing is real for athletes. but I don’t think 1 year necessarily makes a difference for Murray & Ivey since I think that Ivey needs to improve a lot more than Murray.

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June 23, 2022 5:37 pm

Why did Monte not trade up for Jabari!?

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June 23, 2022 5:41 pm

I thought the same thing.

but the asking price maybe just too high

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June 23, 2022 5:55 pm

absolutely no way that Houston would do that. They were happy with Smith

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June 23, 2022 6:06 pm

I suppose if I told you that Houston didn’t want to trade, you’d accuse me of spinning a conspiracy theory.

But that’s what happened.

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June 23, 2022 6:14 pm

What could the Kings offer that HOU would have wanted more than Jabari?

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June 23, 2022 6:28 pm

Unprotected first in 2023

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June 23, 2022 8:58 pm
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Which would’ve been dumb.

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June 24, 2022 1:09 am
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IOW, The most valuable unrealized assett in the whole damn league.

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June 23, 2022 5:38 pm

Not selecting Ivey could set the Kangz back another 5 years

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June 23, 2022 5:42 pm
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or “selecting Ivey could set the Kings back another 5 years”…you don’t know.

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June 23, 2022 5:43 pm
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Keegan is no bust. I’d be surprised if Ivey is a franchise changing talent. You might consider that you’re probably overreacting.

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June 23, 2022 11:53 pm
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And you might also consider that nearly every NBA expert disagrees with you and thinks that Ivey might be one of the only talents in this draft that could blossom into an all-star, franchise changer …. Keegan is def. not on that list. Ivey is a maybe.

Keegan’s not bad if the Kings were drafting between 7-10 — but bottom line is Keegan had one surprisingly good, big step-up season during a weak Big 10 year. And he’s 22.

You don’t blow the #4 on a safe, potential Barnes in the making. Just my opinion. No, I think the Kings were scared of drafting a malcontent. And yes, I’m still mad that they didn’t do everything they could to keep Haliburton and get rid of Fox (a coming attraction for someone’s 6 man bench scorer).
Halburton and Ivey are going to be on highlight reels, putting butts in seats, for years to come … Keegan and Foxy, not so much, I’m afraid. But let’s hope I’m wrong and Keegan is surprise at this level.

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June 23, 2022 5:52 pm
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Just no

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June 23, 2022 6:23 pm
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You know that how ! Ivy may be the next Killian Hayes that Pistons drafted at 5 two seasons ago to be a star point . Now bust .

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June 23, 2022 5:39 pm

In what I consider to be sort of a meh draft, I think this was the right choice. Very happy with the selection!

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June 23, 2022 5:43 pm

You can pretty much mark it down that Ivey will be MVP in a year or two, now — nice job, Kings. Way to learn from your own idiocy. You just picked a younger, pale shadow of Harrison Barnes, who you’re currently trying to trade away. Bagley was a great fit too, compared to Doncic. Keep going for the fit around Fox (a terrible PG) and ignoring the good players bc of the owner who wanted one player to stand on a stepladder beneath the basket the whole game… We are officially the laughing stock of pro sports. Don’t stop until the most remote indigenous villages around the globe know that Sacramento equals basketball hell.

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June 23, 2022 5:47 pm
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Lol…seems a bit of an over-reaction. I hope you intend to stay around a bit.

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June 23, 2022 5:50 pm
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“You can pretty much mark it down that Ivey will be MVP in a year or two”

I’ll bet any amount of money you want that this doesn’t happen. I’ll even spot you 2 more years.

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June 23, 2022 5:56 pm
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Id prefer you spot me a real NBA team run by humans w/functioning brains.

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June 23, 2022 6:07 pm
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I feel like I need to say this too often, but being the fan of a team is strictly voluntary.

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June 23, 2022 6:36 pm
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You would think so, but after an untold number of wasted years rooting for the worst team in sports (and blowing far too much $), it becomes involuntary to a degree, sadly.

And after listening to fans whine and argue incessantly about missing Doncic 24-7 for years now, I don’t feel the slightest bit bad about bemoaning a “safe,” low-ceiling pick by a team that has needed a star for about 16 years now … and just passed on a guy being called a cross between Morant and Dwayne Wade.

Will Ivey by MVP candidate in two years, like Doncic? Probably not. That’s what they call hyperbole. It def. shouldn’t be a foreign word for Kings fans by now. And I hope I’m wrong about the Keegan, the dude who got jacked by the perennially unranked Richmond Spiders in first round of tournament.

Now let’s figure out who else we can get to compliment Tyreke Evans. Another overhyped PG that it took the Kings a few years too many to figure out was leading them nowhere.

If you want to bankroll wagers, might I suggest the Virginia Beach Kings?

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June 23, 2022 7:26 pm
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the dude who got jacked by the perennially unranked Richmond Spiders in first round of tournament.

21/9/2/1/1 on .611 TS% vs Richmond.

Meanwhile, Ivey got knocked out by powerhouse St. Peters by putting up a 9/8/2/0/0 game with 6 TOs.

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June 23, 2022 8:42 pm

There you go again. Ruining a completely obtuse narrative by stating facts. Why are you the way that you are BHE.

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June 24, 2022 12:09 am
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Um … you want obtuse? Yes, Keegan was the team’s All-American star and yes, you quote stats well — he did somehow manage to get his (lower than?) average numbers in a huge upset loss in the first round to the unranked Spiders, who were sixth place in the A10 and terrible all season until the A10 tourney. The Spiders MVP was a 5’9 guard (24 pts) that nobody on Iowa could stop, including Keegles.

Fact stands. Keegan and his squad got jacked literally by dudes who I’ve played with in my local gym. And I’m a 50 year old ex smoker with torn rotator cuffs who can barely move on the court. Facts. And even Im not afraid of the 5th year Finnish player who was guarding Keegan … Keegan should’ve had 40 and 20 and carried them to a win. But sit back, you’ll see … between the nightly Doncic and Ivey highlights, there should be plenty more obtuse narratives for you to dissect. Enjoy.

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June 23, 2022 5:57 pm
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I will bankroll GFunk’s bet.

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June 23, 2022 6:00 pm
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Can I help?

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June 23, 2022 6:24 pm
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Thank you, but I got this BlueJohn.

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June 23, 2022 8:42 pm
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Nice to see you posting JP, hope all is well.

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June 24, 2022 1:00 am
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I thought you probably wood but I’d have no problem putting up some more money if only to make these idiots put their money where their mouths are. Later bro

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June 23, 2022 6:19 pm
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I’ll spot another

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June 23, 2022 9:57 pm
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Remember when they asked Bagley before his rookie year what his goal was for the season? And he said MVP. Not rookie of the year. MVP. Good times

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June 24, 2022 9:51 am
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I do. I thought the comment was vastly overblown by the fanbase. Do you find it equally absurd this years #2 pick Chet Holmgren essentially said the same thing…when he said he’d be the best player in the NBA? Not best of the rookies. Best of the NBA.

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June 24, 2022 11:21 am
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Sure, Chet can say he wants to be the best in the NBA at some point. Pretty sure he didn’t mean it would happen this year. Players should understand these timelines. For Marvin to say that was beyond showing confidence, it was delusional. In retrospect, it probably wasn’t overblown enough, as it showed some lack of connection to reality that we all eventually saw in terms of his and dad’s perception of his skillset, and what the rest of us saw.

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June 26, 2022 10:10 pm
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No. When he was asked who the best person in the NBA is, he responded myself in 2 months.

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June 23, 2022 6:16 pm
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I find it hard to believe that the guy that wasn’t the best player on his college team as a sophomore this year is going to be the best player in the NBA two years from now.

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June 24, 2022 12:41 am

Hey, Jordan didn’t make his high school varsity team, and a few short years later was the best player in the world. And still reigning GOAT to many.

Then again, he had those extra gear/next level explosive talent that players like Ivey, Morant and Westbrook exhibit.

I think there’s a contractual clause that prohibits Kings from signing those top-tier athletes based on “bad fit” due to D. Fox.

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June 24, 2022 1:25 am
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I hate the “Jordan didn’t make Varsity” narrative. It’s absurd. Jordan didn’t make varsity as a 5’10” sophomore, which most don’t even tryout.

He made varsity and was clearly the best player once he was the proper age.

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June 23, 2022 6:26 pm
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Wow, basketball savant in the house . Just to repeat- you do not know . All opinion and guess .

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June 23, 2022 6:29 pm
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Always rite: Ivey MVP in the next 1-2 years. Probably the most curious take I’ve seen here.

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June 23, 2022 7:48 pm
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Contextually, this is no Papagiannis.

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June 23, 2022 5:44 pm

Comments section:
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June 23, 2022 5:45 pm

can we get this taken down?

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June 23, 2022 5:46 pm

Please delete. Gifs arent working. Ugh.

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June 23, 2022 5:47 pm

This is the one, right?

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June 23, 2022 5:46 pm

17 in a row.

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June 23, 2022 5:47 pm
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Yep.

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June 23, 2022 6:05 pm
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Or will it be: 1 in a row?

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June 23, 2022 6:21 pm
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It won’t last forever

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June 23, 2022 9:02 pm
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Picking Ivey would’ve made that even more likely.

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June 23, 2022 5:46 pm

I don’t know how to put into words how this pick makes me feel. A mix of “meh”, “well maaaybe”, “hey at the least he should be a solid rotation guy”, “Why the heck not swing for the fences or make a sick trade to give me more hope damnit”, and “Of course Holmgren and Smith Jr. go right in front of us (even if we knew it would happen)”. I guess that is just all the stages of Kangz draft grief.

I don’t pretend to follow basketball close enough to be confident in my opinions, just don’t got a great feeling about Murray. Hoping to be proven wrong.

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June 23, 2022 5:49 pm
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It wasn’t BPA in my opinion. It was more fit and play it safe which I don’t get for a team that needs elite talent. I would’ve taken Ivey, but we’ll see how it plays out.

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June 23, 2022 7:10 pm
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ivey is not the better player, Murray has more basketball skills, especially those that translate to the NBA. That doesn’t mean that Ivey might may not become a superstar but I think he has him twice as much chance to be average. Murray Was BPA, Ivy was a chance of being a better player someday

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June 24, 2022 12:52 am
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So the question becomes: Do you swing for the fences w/a 4th pick, or play it safe? I personally feel the Kings need a dominant player w/all star upside. Not another solid role player. The pattern is all too clear if you look at all the talent the Kings just missed in recent years because of “fit.”
Then again, I think the sooner the failed D. Fox experiment ends, the sooner we can rise out of purgatory. Who, looking back, would take Fox over Donovan Mitchell? NOBODY. And here we go again, another Mitchell type player and we took a maybe he’ll be as good as Barnes one day (no offense to Harrison).

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Jimmer was a swing for the fence. B-Mac was the only guy in his class with “all-star talent”. T-Rob was a “steal”. It’s a lot easier to watch an Ivey highlight reel and get excited than a Keegan one, but at the end of the day, Draft Day hype fades and we have to live with the player we selected. Keegan, in my opinion, is the selection that a smart, mature franchise would make.

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I can get on B-Mac as a potential all-star talent, and maybe even T-Rob, even though many said he was undersized/underskilled. But pretty much all (but Jimmermaniacs) agreed Jimmer was not a swing for the fence and would best evolve into a role-playing shooter.

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June 23, 2022 5:49 pm

I know it’s not an advanced stat or something tangible. But I liked the guy after seeing an interview where they asked him about going from a blah freshman to what he became last year. His poise and his ownership of hey if I need to get better it’s up to me and my drive so let’s do it. Reminded me of Banes interviews.

regardless of wether or not he’s the ROY or better guys we’re on the board he seems like he
has heart and drive and lord knows the Kangz are in short supply.

Just glad it wasn’t another blue chipper from Duke waiting for the red carpet to be rolled out and expecting to have their “elite athletic ability” save them and cover a lack of focus.

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June 23, 2022 5:51 pm

Jerry Reynolds mentioned Davion Mitchell last season leading up to the draft, and this season he mentioned Keegan Murray.

JERRY, please say Victor Wembanyama next season.

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June 23, 2022 5:54 pm
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JERRY, please say Victor Wembanyama next season.

We’ll be in the lottery again with a chance to move up to 1, that much we know. So it could happen.

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June 24, 2022 9:41 am
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Don’t worry Gonzo, Will has him beat on the the Wembanyama front.

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June 23, 2022 5:55 pm

Solid pick. I think this is a good selection who will help the team.

shout out to the Pels, who just drafted Dyson Daniels. He was #5 on my board.

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June 23, 2022 8:46 pm
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I think thats a great situation for him, has time to develop, and really fits well with the talent already there. Daniels, Sochan, and Murray were the three guys outside of the top trio whose game I thought would really transfer well to the NBA.

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June 23, 2022 5:58 pm

I hate every part of this.
Doubt he ever threatens to be an all star.
2 of the 3 picked after him will be.
It’s like we haven’t been watching Barnes not help us win for three years.
If the goal is truly to lock down the 7 seed and get bounced…then nice job.
The power of lowered expectations got us here.
The basketball world laughs and points at us and we turn around collectively to see where they are pointing.
You issue faith where none is deserved.
Kangz.

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June 23, 2022 6:10 pm

I recognize your dope style, but I think you’re wrong when it comes to basketball.

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June 23, 2022 6:33 pm
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The contest of ideas. No problem here.

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June 23, 2022 6:33 pm

You’re offering the 7 seed? I think 90%+ in here would take that all day long.

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June 23, 2022 6:34 pm
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Exactly.

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June 23, 2022 9:05 pm
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It’d be good as a starting point, but not an end point.

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June 23, 2022 5:58 pm

This ESPN draft telecast is horrendous.

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June 23, 2022 6:00 pm
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You could have left out the word “draft” and never be wrong again.

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June 23, 2022 6:31 pm
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Perkins is terrible .

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June 23, 2022 6:43 pm
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Agreed. And WOJ announcing the selections before they’re made by mincing words is childish and annoying. I thought the NBA banned this a few years ago.

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June 23, 2022 5:59 pm

Would’ve been great to trade down and get an asset with Murray, but Murray is going to be great, and can go from game one.

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June 23, 2022 6:01 pm

All the people buying into limited upside are crazy. Look at his growth as a player the past two years and now put him in an ideal situation to maximize his strengths. I’m all in on this pick. He may very well turn out to be the best player in this draft. It’s going to be fun watching him cut with Sabonis, be poised for a kick out with Fox, and weak side defend. I really like Fox, Sabonis, Barnes, and Murray on the starting rotation. I’m guessing Davion as the other guard. For once we have a somewhat balanced starting 5. I wouldn’t have hated the Ivey pick, but the folks that are so pissed are either overrating Ivey, or underrating Murray. And if they were equal talents, fit absolutely should come into play.

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June 23, 2022 6:03 pm
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fit doesn’t matter when you lack a star. I hope you don’t think we have an actual star on this team right? Ivey has that potential of being a star Keegan not so much.

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June 23, 2022 6:13 pm
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Why? In order for Ivey to be star, he needs to get better at creating, passing, shooting, and defense. For Murray, he simply needs to learn to pull-up off the dribble consistently. Who is more likely to improve in their respective area(s)? I bet it’s Murray.

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June 23, 2022 6:21 pm
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Yeah, I’ve been asking this question a lot and have yet to find an answer.

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June 23, 2022 6:27 pm

I think it’s probably the Ja Morant comparisons that lead some people to feel Ivey has star potential.

(which I don’t think are accurate, other than athleticism)

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June 23, 2022 6:33 pm
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Mostly, I think it’s that athleticism still gets mistakenly conflated with upside.

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June 23, 2022 6:37 pm

I think you brought up Dennis Smith Jr. as a bust-comparison before which hits the nail on the head, although I think Ivey will be much better.

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June 23, 2022 6:49 pm
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It definitely wasn’t an original by me. But if we’re brining up guys like Ja, Donovan, Edwards, etc then I think DSJ is probably just as apt. But even DSJ showed the ability to create space on three levels in a way Ivey hasn’t. The fact that Ivey has shown absolutely zero in-between/pull-up game is just odd to me.

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June 23, 2022 6:39 pm

Mostly, I think it’s that athleticism still gets mistakenly conflated with upside.

Murray doesn’t leap off the page, but he’s still a really good athlete.

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June 23, 2022 6:45 pm
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Honestly, I think there’s just a lot of highlight bias. And in a lot of cases, that’s on purpose because high flying dunks deliver more eyes to advertisers than up-and-under layups.

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June 23, 2022 6:36 pm
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Ivey is nowhere near Morant. Ja scored 24 with 10 assists as a sophmore with a PER of 31. Ivey went 17 and 3 with a PER of 22.5. They both jump high and have similar hair, that’s where the comparison ends. Keegan was a 23.5 pts, 9 Reb, 2 block big shooting 40% from 3 with a PER of 37.8! Yes 37.8 PER. Dude just had an all time statistically great season playing for a major conference. Give me a break with the “doesn’t have star upside” BS.

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June 23, 2022 6:47 pm
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I’m a Keegan fan and wanted the Kings to draft him over Ivey.

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June 23, 2022 6:50 pm
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Sorry, The last sentence wasn’t directed at you. I was just pointing out that Ivey, while solid, was not Morant, Basically agreeing with you and you caught friendly fire.