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Suns 120, Kings 109: Sacramento got outplayed in the desert

The Kings held on far longer than they had any right to, but ultimately fell short in Phoenix.
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Feb 14, 2023; Phoenix, Arizona, USA; Phoenix Suns center Deandre Ayton (22) shoots over Sacramento Kings forward Domantas Sabonis (10) during the first half at Footprint Center. Mandatory Credit: Joe Camporeale-USA TODAY Sports

The Sacramento Kings had one final hurdle before reaching the All-Star break, but unfortunately that hurdle was the Phoenix Suns. Even without Kevin Durant in the lineup, the Suns did what they always do, dismantling the Kings in frustrating and methodical fashion. I don’t know what it is about Phoenix, but it feels like for the last several years they’ve always been one of the most frustrating opponents for the Kings. Tonight was no different, and the Suns walked away with a 120-109 victory.

The Kings won a lot of key categories in this game. They shot 36.8% from three, 14/38 from deep, while Phoenix went 7/22. The Kings shot better from the charity stripe, and despite what felt like a very rough whistle all night, the Kings shot more free throws overall. Even though it felt like the Kings gave up offensive rebounds after every key stop, the Kings won the offensive, defensive, and overall rebounding battles.

Where the Suns really picked apart the Kings was through a combination of some brilliant shot-making, excellent ball movement, and scoring inside the arc. Even without KD, Devin Booker and Chris Paul are still masters of the mid range, and both players made a variety of absurd shots even when well-defended. The Kings also allowed a lot of dribble penetration, where Domantas Sabonis would rotate to help and then a quick pass would lead to an easy Deandre Ayton dunk.

Booker led the Suns with 32 points on 13-20 shots. He didn’t even attempt a three in this game. Ayton had 29 points and 11 rebounds. Chris Paul finished with an absurd 19 assists along with 17 points. It was just a good damn game from the Suns.

The Kings were led by by De’Aaron Fox’s 35 points. Fox did everything he could to keep the Kings in this one. Sabonis notched his normal double-double that was nearly a triple double, with 24 points, 15 rebounds, and 7 assists. Kevin Huerter had a nice night as well, with 18 points including 4/9 from beyond the arc. Nice to see him bounce back after a rough February.

Where the Kings really got killed were the bench minutes. Trey Lyles struggled, going just 1-7 and finishing with 4 points. Terence Davis had some great moments that led to 11 points, but also had three costly turnovers and erratic plays. But as bad as those two performances may be, those were the highlights of the bench play. No other Kings player scored a basket. Chimezie Metu in 10 minutes? 0 points. Davion Mitchell in 10 minutes? 0 points. Kessler Edwards in 10 minutes? Despite some nice moments on defense, he also notched 0 points. The trade deadline is gone, but I remain hopeful Monte McNair might find something, anything, in the buyout market to help improve the bench for the final stretch.

Despite this loss, the Sacramento Kings enter the All-Star break with a 32-25 record, still holding onto the third seed in the West. Whatever stress we may feel game to game, this is a fine time to reflect on how wonderful the season has been up to this point. The home stretch will be a challenge. The Kings very well may finish lower in the final standings than where they currently are. But this has been a tremendous year already and the Kings are far from done. Before the season started I placed a bet that the Kings would finish with more than 31.5 wins. Never in my wildest optimism did I think they’d reach that mark before the All-Star break.

The Kings will be well-represented in All-Star festivities, with De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis in the All-Star game, Keegan Murray in the Rising Stars game, and Kevin Huerter in the three-point shootout. Despite this, the break should allow the Kings a moment to rest up for the home stretch. They’ll resume their regular season on February 23rd against the Trail Blazers.

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Timmy_13
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February 14, 2023 9:36 pm

I love our defense 🙃

Jack
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February 15, 2023 7:45 am
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You of course are kidding.For the most part the Suns played pretty good defense. We played no defense except maybe a combined 3 or 4 minutes. Ayton took Sabonis to the cleaners. He stood 3 feet under the basket all night letting Ayton shoot 8 to 10 foot shots all night. Sabonis needed to get into Ayton’s face nose to nose then turn around. You now have Ayton on your back all night and a free run to rebound. If not Barnes and Murray were bigger than anyone they had to rebound. Barnes, Lyles, Metu and Mitchell were nonexsistant all night long.Davis scored some but offset that with bone headed plays such as turnovers and doing the opposite of which Brown wants playing defense without fouling. Also we were out hustled on the floor all night as Fox was the only player on the floor once.Suns made more assists less turnovers and their field goal percentage was greater. Other than that we played a great game. LOL.

Jack
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February 15, 2023 7:47 am
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Why did Murray only play 21 minutes and Edwards 10 without scoring. If you gave those 10 minutes to Murray we might have had a chance to win this game.

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February 15, 2023 9:23 am
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Two ends to the floor. Edwards was the most active defender on Booker during his 10 minutes. Also interesting that you think that Murray would score twice as many points in those 10 minutes than he did in his 21.

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February 15, 2023 3:59 pm
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We will never know.

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February 15, 2023 5:21 pm
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I know! I really do.

I’m just not saying.

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February 14, 2023 9:43 pm

That perimeter defense is what causes nightmares. The Sacramento Matadors is more like it.

Last edited 1 year ago by deepshot22
satdawg
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February 14, 2023 9:51 pm

Davion is officially unplayable and a big blame for why we lost this game. When the suns get KD back sheesh have fun trying to stop them.

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February 14, 2023 9:53 pm
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we posted that at the same point, and I agree

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February 14, 2023 10:08 pm
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The whale-shit rebounding effort, dumb turnovers and PHX hitting a few ridiculous shots is why the Kings lost tonight.

Davion is what he is and his on/off impact on NetRtg for everyone in the main rotation (except Fox) is neutral at worst – everyone (again, except Fox) looks like a lockdown defender in the box score when they share the court with Davion even if their offense suffers.

(Fox, I think, just has a problem defending up a position so when he plays with Davion and defends a wing he just gets cooked)

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February 14, 2023 10:42 pm

If Monk played today I think the outcome would’ve been different, we needed a little more juice from the offense. I don’t really think Davion defense is having that big of an impact. We just have way too many problems on the defensive side of the ball for one guy to fix.

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February 14, 2023 10:54 pm
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If KD would have played today the outcome also would have been different. Or not.

And which version of Monk would we get?

I never understand these arguments.

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February 14, 2023 10:57 pm
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The KD-led Suns will blowout the Kings at least once this a season.

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February 14, 2023 11:08 pm
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well yea, they’re pretty close to having a big 3, doubt we could beat them but without KD we shouldn’t lose especially without Bridges, Johnson, and a host of other guys. You think Monk puts up a big 0? Davion can’t even consistently score 10 points a night

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February 14, 2023 11:26 pm
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I think Monk has been very inconsistent, yes.

I also think that it is weird to make an “if we have been at full strength” argument while not allowing the opposing team similar conditions.

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February 15, 2023 9:18 am
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I agree. Aside from Fox and Sabonis, most every other player is inconsistent. I’m apprehensive every game because of the inconsistency. Having said that, they are in third place, above .500. If they do hit on every cylinder, it would be a thing to see.

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February 14, 2023 11:02 pm
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Davion off court (1714 minutes), the Kings have an ORtg of 119.8 and a DRtg of 117.5 (NetRtg of +2.3)

Davion on court (989 minutes), ORtg is 116.7 and DRtg is 114.1 (NetRtg of +2.6)

His defensive impact is pretty clear.

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February 15, 2023 7:50 am

Yeah but he can’t score. Even if his guy scores 2 points we lose that matchup. IMO Mitchell had a bad night on defense. Too many fouls.

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February 15, 2023 8:31 am
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Everyone is going to have bad games and WOWY doesn’t tell the whole story (mostly because it doesn’t adjust for everyone else on the floor), but Davion + Sabonis lineups score at nearly the same clip as Fox + Sabonis lineups but the team is *way* better defensively with Mitchell in there.

http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612758&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=1627734,1628368,1630558&OnlyCommonGames=true

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February 15, 2023 8:59 am

Not with Mitchell last night.Also would not wanting him replacing Fox in the fourth quarter.

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February 15, 2023 10:59 am

That stat actually does not tell you the whole story either. That does not include Mitchell’s stat when Fox was out and Mitchell had to be the starting PG.

http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612758&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=1627734,1628368,1630558

Mitchell’s stat does not look rosy any more. Defense is worse and offense is much worse when Mitchell has to fill in as a starter for Fox.

He is talented. He is just probably not a good fit on this team. And he is looking a lot like a career backup than a starting level PG.

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February 15, 2023 11:05 am
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He is talented. He is just probably not a good fit on this team. And he is looking a lot like a career backup than a starting level PG.

Lots of good meat on this bone – rec’d.

It is odd that a defensive minded player like Mitchell struggles under Brown, but offensively he just seems to have a pnr mindset and very narrow vision. And without a consistent 3 pt. shot, he is hard pressed to be the type of contributor that the Kings need at backup PG.

When he was drafted I had a ceiling for him of Patrick Beverley. I have seen nothing from him to move me off that projection (and there is certainly nothing wrong with a 10+ year career), but to your point, he does not appear to be a good fit here.

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February 15, 2023 11:07 am
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Did we… think… he was supposed to be a starting PG? He’s the 10th pick in his draft class – getting a solid rotation player there is fine.

His net impact is basically neutral, I’m fine with that at backup PG.

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February 15, 2023 11:01 am

At an almost equal reduction of offensive output, unfortunately.

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February 15, 2023 11:08 am
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Yep. Maybe not ideal but it’s fine for now. I don’t think there’s any reason to panic-sign Westbrook or Wall.

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February 15, 2023 11:49 am

I don’t think there’s any reason to panic-sign Westbrook or Wall.

I don’t want Wall at this point. And Westy ain’t coming here. I see him ring hunting in a place like Miami.

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February 15, 2023 11:57 am

Absolutely no wrt Westbrick or Wall. I cringe even thinking about it.

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February 15, 2023 7:47 am
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That squad + KD? Yikes…

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February 14, 2023 9:52 pm

not only is davion a bust and a mark on mcnair’s record, but he needs to be replaced in the lineup at this point. Delly cant be worse, and this should have been addressed at the deadline.

but its a sad mark on what we all thought of davion at some point that he isnt hacking becoming a standard backup pg

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February 14, 2023 10:20 pm
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If we’re talking about increasing Delly’s minutes, we might as well talk tanking. At his absolute best he’s a “it’s either a blowout or nobody else is able to walk” replacement player.

Going into the season, this team was never supposed to achieve the 3rd spot. So it’s a crazy to think we should have panic bought at the deadline to try to keep it, when it all ends in a 1 and done (at best), regardless of where we sit on 4/9.

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February 14, 2023 10:26 pm
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I’d be ok with Monk taking some backup PG minutes from Davion depending on how things are going, but yeah, Delly shouldn’t be playing any competitive minutes. Delly is something between a player-coach and a human victory cigar unless things get desperate.

I’d be giddy about 1 and done but I also think this team can win a series (depending on the matchup)

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February 14, 2023 11:47 pm
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Davion is hardly playing as is- like 10 minutes a game.

I was nervous about McNair picking Davion cause he’s so short. Guys can simply shoot over him, so he had to be able to hit the 3 and drive/dish. Have some O

Unfortunately, Davion is doing none of those. I hope somehow Brown gets Davion to at least drive and or play some O. He’s kinda just standing around and getting rid of the ball.

Kings are gonna need guys like Murray to step up/continue their improvement.

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February 15, 2023 7:49 am
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He’s kinda just standing around and getting rid of the ball.

I noticed the same thing on many plays. Bring the ball up, pass to someone, stand in the same place. No movement, no cutting.

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February 15, 2023 9:01 am
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Then play him. 21 minutes doesn’t do the trick.

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February 15, 2023 11:51 am
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Wasn’t implying he should play more. Just saying he already isn’t playing much because he’s not very effective

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February 15, 2023 7:05 am
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Davion minutes can be used for TD or Monk but not Delly . Actually, facts show team slightly better with Davion on the floor so maybe the Eye test is flawed .

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February 14, 2023 10:14 pm

Lick your wounds, heal, take a well-deserved rest and get ready for the final stretch.

Go Kings!

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February 14, 2023 10:31 pm

The Suns are better than the Kings. That’s fine. We’re not contenders and I doubt we finish in the 3 spot. Still a piece or two away and that’s cool. First half of the year has exceeded my expectations by a ton.

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February 14, 2023 10:37 pm

No matter what seeding the Kings ultimately end up, I just hope that based on how this season has gone, that we do get a postseason spot.

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February 15, 2023 7:50 am
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Post season = top 6 or play-in?

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February 15, 2023 11:03 am
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Either for me is a massive improvement over the past 16 years.

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February 14, 2023 10:34 pm

players made a variety of absurd shots even when well-defended

Isn’t this a recurring theme with our defense? Are we just unlucky or is the defense really not as good as it appears?

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February 14, 2023 10:41 pm

Harrison Barnes the only Kings player not going to SLC. That’s ok as his 3’s were coming up short today and could use the rest. Been a fun year and will be a challenging second half of the season. But hey if Sacramento really wants to beat the Suns you better call Skal. Seems like ages ago I had so much faith in a 37 point showing at the garbage part of the season. I like this product so much more even if they fall this year to the playin. My fear is Vivek will fire the coach ala Joerger if that happens. I do appreciate McNair kept his powder dry and not panic buy the deadline as I feel we are way ahead of my expectations for this club. Boy winning is fun though.

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February 14, 2023 11:00 pm

It’s the break, and I have to say that after 16 years ofplayers putting up big stats in meaningless games (I see you March/April 2022 Davion!), it is so refreshing to watch Fox continue to excel in games that mean something.

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February 14, 2023 11:34 pm

For the rest of the season I’d be very curious to see the pick up Wall for 15 min a game. Dude will score and or assist over 10ppg every game and would be a more consistent presence off the bench. Doesn’t mean Davion is done just speed up the process for the team for a year and Davion gets his shot again next year.

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February 15, 2023 7:09 am
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Clippers got rid of Wall and worst team in NBA waived him twice . I think he is Washed as did these teams plus still a diva . No thanks

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February 15, 2023 7:39 am
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Also, Davion Stats are actually better than Wall with both playing about 12 minutes a game .

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February 15, 2023 9:10 am
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IMO next year if Mitchell doesn’t do something this year Keon Ellis with some improvement might be the backup point. At 6’6″ can play defense and shoot the 3 it might happen.

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February 15, 2023 7:31 am

Kings lose to a team with championship aspirations on the road. I’m not going to panic. The Suns will be especially scary once Durant is healthy. Ayton is looking like he’s worth his salary, and if CP3 has another run in him this team has to be considered a favorite.

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February 15, 2023 7:51 am
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Man, Ayton looked great last night! He knows his role and owns it.

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February 15, 2023 8:04 am

This is one of the few time I question Coach Brown’s rotations. Keegan Murray didn’t see a minute of action in the 4th. All of his minutes went to TD and Edwards who COMBINED went for 0 points, 0 rebounds and 1 assist.

The Kings were down by 4 to start the 4th and you didn’t give a minute of action to, at worst, your 5th best player and best shooter? Head scratcher.

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February 15, 2023 8:45 am
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If Keegan weren’t a rookie and was playing well I’d agree. But he is a rookie and he didn’t play especially well I thought.

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February 15, 2023 9:17 am
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In the past Murray has done a great job in the fourth. He has hit some clutch 3’s and plays good defense. I agree with Adamsite. He could not do any worse last night. He is also a starter and one of the best shooters we have. Along with that I don’t think during a whole game he doesn’t get enough touches.

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February 15, 2023 9:27 am
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Agreed. It’s not as though he pulled a hot player on either end of the floor.

I’m not a Davis fan, but Brown has gone to him before and the team has been rewarded for it. And Edwards gave the best defensive effort of the bunch.

An extra 10 minutes of less than his best Keegan Murray would not have turned the tables last night.

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February 15, 2023 8:29 am

I guess the bottom line for me is this: Phoenix had a big 3. The Kings do not. Not yet.

You can look at the 3pt/FT disparity in Sac’s favor, the paint points and points off turnovers in Phx’s favor, and all that. That’s all true. But….Phoenix had 3 of the 4 best players on the floor last night. Domas showed up, but it took awhile. Huerter showed up, but his impact wasn’t as great as any of Phx’s big 3. Nor should you expect it to.

The Kings lost this game because Murray and Barnes weren’t great last night. They needed 1 to be great, and preferably Murray. But, he’s 22 and a rookie and these games are new for him. He did rebound and assist well. If I’m not mistaken, last night’s assist total was a career high for Keegan Murray.

Just as an aside, I thought Phx came out hard last night in part because they don’t like their chances as much against the Clippers tomorrow night. And if the Clipps win, they’ll be tied with Phx in the loss column and both clubs will be 3 back of Sac in the loss column. At some point, and I know the frustration of last night may cloud some’s judgment, the Kings could still finish in the top 4. But you need to have better top end production.

That said, the Kings are on a 46 win pace. And sure the schedule still has tough games left. But, if I’m Phx, I’m like, we needed to win this by 25. And we didn’t. They were a cut above last night. Not a weight class above. That tells me the Kings are closer to prime time than maybe the general opinion (including the one around here) is allowing for.

You have to.play at a championship level to beat this Kings squad. That’s….. a refreshing change. And, 32-25 ain’t damn bad neither.

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February 15, 2023 9:33 am
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Re: The Big Three. I think that Barnes has been huge for this team this year, and his durability and dependability have been big plusses. That said, I think this is where the payroll and roster needs to change next year to get over 50 wins. Murray will not be ready to become that third musketeer, and it is at that 3 and/or 4 spot that the Kings need to add some length, a guy that will plug in well with Sabonis and Fox on a night in, night out basis, giving Murray another season (at least) to evolve and expand his game.

OG? J. Collins? C. Wood? J. Grant? I’m not sure who the answer is, but I think that there is a little bit of a redundancy to Barnes and Murray, and that this is the key spot of the roster / payroll that needs to be turned. Beyond that, a viable backup PG that can facilitate, and a 3-D bench wing that is more dependable than Edwards or Ellis (not saying that these guys can’t develop, but 50 win teams see these types of guys as found money once they develop but do not bet on them to develop).

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February 15, 2023 9:37 am
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Yes, those are the spots where the team is vulnerable.
Who knows, maybe Monte can pick up a gem for 6 second round picks.

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February 15, 2023 12:46 pm
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I think that Barnes has been huge for this team this year, and his durability and dependability have been big plusses. That said, I think this is where the payroll and roster needs to change next year to get over 50 wins. Murray will not be ready to become that third musketeer, and it is at that 3 and/or 4 spot that the Kings need to add some length, a guy that will plug in well with Sabonis and Fox on a night in, night out basis, giving Murray another season (at least) to evolve and expand his game.

This is obviously your opinion, not that there is anything wrong with that! Actually, all kidding aside, this is the general POV right now. I saw DLo & KC hint at a ‘Would you do a Keegan Murray for Paul George’ type trade coming this summer on a clip posted to Twitter. So the question is absolutely fair game.

And it is the obvious next step, too. The question here is twofold Rob: One, how good do you believe Keegan Murray becomes? Two, you know you need that stretch rim protecting 4, how do you get that? Paul George is obviously better than Murray for the next year or two. After that? Great question. I think Murray has top 50 potential. But George is not a rim protecting stretch 4. And how much does he improve your defense given your holes on the roster? I lean no but I get why you do it. I just don’t think you’re an obvious championship contender in doing so. And there are never guarantees.

That rim protecting stretch 4? My feeling has been you will have to develop that guy. Not trade for him or sign that guy in FA. Which means the draft. Is that guy there? Good question. Using Tankathon’s PF list and showing no preferences whatsoever, I’ll list guys that vaguely fit that bill. Jarace Walker (Houston– don’t waste your time I know he’s likely not there where the Kings pick), Taylor Hendricks (Central Florida), GG Jackson (South Carolina), Noah Clowney (Alabama), Coleman Hawkins (Illinois), Azuolas Tubelis (Arizona), Trayce Jackson-Davis (Indiana). You’re welcome to add anyone. But that list, whomever constitutes it, is likely the player the Kings will take. The whole BPA pick argument (whatever BPA means exactly) with Davion likely won’t cut it right now. It’ll be a swing on a player who has the outline of a player that they really need who could be the missing piece. Yes, I see the specious’ness of that comment but that’s what happens when you get to this point. To take that next step, you need to get seriously lucky in a way that you typically don’t.

Barnes is interesting. I can see them S&T’g Barnes to a place he’d like to go. I can see them resigning him. I can see them resigning Barnes but adding a no trade clause in exchange for a reduced cap number. There’s lots of ways this could go. I’m not nearly daring enough to predict what, though.

Bottom line here is the Kings have assets, some cap space (possibly), and trade chips that might yield something valuable. Richaun Holmes and Davion Mitchell should not be buying a winter home im Sac anytime soon. Metu, Lyles, Davis, and Len are all FAs. The Kings could move on from Edwards and Okpala.

At this point, the only ‘safe’ roster spots are Fox and Sabonis. And it’s not likely there’s a trade that comes up that would change that. Murray, Huerter and Monk shouldn’t expect a trade. After that, all bets are off.

OG? J. Collins? C. Wood? J. Grant? I’m not sure who the answer is, but I think that there is a little bit of a redundancy to Barnes and Murray, and that this is the key spot of the roster / payroll that needs to be turned. Beyond that, a viable backup PG that can facilitate, and a 3-D bench wing that is more dependable than Edwards or Ellis (not saying that these guys can’t develop, but 50 win teams see these types of guys as found money once they develop but do not bet on them to develop).

No on OG Anunoby. I’ll never consider the price worth it. He needs to play more. Which he’ll likely never do. Christian Wood gives me Joe Barry Carroll vibes. ‘Nuff said. Jerami Grant isn’t a rim protector, and I think he’s a better fit next to Nurkic. If he’s even available, at that. John Collins? Depends on what I’m giving up. Especially if I have that young rim protecting stretch 4 in tow. But the price has to be right, and frankly I don’t trust the Atl FO to bargain in good faith. They are so worried about optics they won’t deal Collins to Sac on the basis they’ll look bad. Especially now. And I’ll believe they’ll trade him when they do, to boot.

As far as Ellis and Edwards, I think they could pan out as backups. Edwards especially as he’s gotten time against NBA competition. Do the Kings need them to pan out? No, but it would help. Cheap depth is always valuable. I could see a reacquisition of Delon Wright to name one. That would buffer you a bit.

It is what it is. Interesting times are ahead. I’m going to go ahead and say I think the Kings surprise a few people and finish with 48 wins. 😊 That alone might help you go about building this team out. And who knows? Maybe Kessler Edwards is that guy! (Okay, likely not. But it’s fun to dream.)

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February 16, 2023 7:29 am
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I would not trade Murray for George. When Murray develops into a very good player George will be in a rocking chair.

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February 15, 2023 3:24 pm
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Yeah there are some redundancy between Murray and Barnes and there are some redundancy between Murray and Huerter. Huerter’s production can also be replaced by Monk’s.

However, it is just very tough to upgrade from Barnes or from Huerter. I mean the King’s starting 5 is one of the better starting 5 in the league.

No to Wood. OG is injury prone. Collins is an undersized center. Grant is a decent fit but he just changed his agent. He wants a big payday, which we don’t have cap space for and/or are willing to offer.

Unless Barnes really wants to leave, we should bring him back. There is no obvious upgrade that we can sign with our cap space or can trade for with our available assets.

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February 15, 2023 5:53 pm
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I think that because the Kings couldn’t off load Holmes, they didn’t put much effort into replacing him. Just my guess. I don’t think they are ready to eat his $24M either, despite not playing him.

Davion seems to have fallen by the wayside under Coach Brown – he started the year showing promise, a few good games here and there and for the past two months, he’s been “less than”.

I still something there. Maybe it’s his work ethic and his attitude. His offense needs to show more but I think it can and if not he moves further down the bench. Maybe it’s just that I want him gain a level – but he has not.
And the Kings need someone besides Malik Monk as a back up QB. It’s why they have to have either De’Aaron or Domas on the floor at all times.

I don’t have any suggestions.

And they still need a rebounding, defending frontcourt presence. And that ain’t Metu. Lyles has been doing well, but they need a bigger body. Thomas Bryant would have been nice, IMO. Vanderbilt. Naz Reid. Even the toughness of Olynyk, Plumlee, but I like younger, better given the choice.

Unless there is a rise in the current ranks, or some new surprise emerges from the waiver wire – these are questions for next season. And there are too many games left to play this season.

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February 15, 2023 7:50 pm

I think that because the Kings couldn’t off load Holmes, they didn’t put much effort into replacing him. Just my guess. I don’t think they are ready to eat his $24M either, despite not playing him.

I guess they have to offload Homes first before they can go after another back up center. So I hope they can strike a deal with the Spurs for Zach Collins in the off season. You can hit 2 birds with 1 stone. Offload Holmes and get a back up center.

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February 16, 2023 6:01 am
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I know he doesn’t fit the profile perfectly, but I want Jaxson Hayes.

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February 16, 2023 7:32 am
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Could be a possibility.

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February 16, 2023 8:54 am
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He just might be Alex Len’s replacement.

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February 16, 2023 11:08 am
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I consider Hayes to be more of a 2nd draft type the Kings are hoping will pan out.

Similar to Kessler Edwards. You have to take swings at upside. Especially if you’re limited in assets which the Kings currently are.

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February 16, 2023 11:17 am
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I consider Hayes to be more of a 2nd draft type the Kings are hoping will pan out.

Oh yeah I agree. What I meant with Alex Len’s replacement is that he would be our 3rd center on depth chart.

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February 16, 2023 11:32 am
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Yeah but the Kings have a 3rd C in Queta already. In Hayes you’re hoping there’s maybe a starting solution at your PF spot.

I’m hoping the Kings go after Hayes in FA and draft a PF that has upside as a stretch 4 rim protector.

I’d probably offer Hayes a 3/36 type deal and dare New Orleans to match.

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February 16, 2023 11:52 am
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Another guy that I think if flying low and could be poached from a deep team is RFA Darius Bazley. Potential stretch 4 with good length and has shown some rim protection. At worst, he’d basically be a Metu replacement.

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February 16, 2023 12:04 pm
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James Ham and Sean Cunningham have talked about the Kings being interested in Bazely. So that doesn’t surprise me at all Adam. I highly doubt the Suns even offer a QO. They are so far over the tax, they aren’t paying to keep a guy like Bazely when he doesn’t play.

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February 15, 2023 9:35 am
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Didn’t see the game; Valentine’s Day dance date night with the wife.
Sounds like the Kings were competitive. What you said, teams have to “play at a championship level to beat this Kings squad,” is heartening.
Still think they should have grabbed a backup center. That hole is huge. At this point, I’d rather play Len.
It’s an odd year. Except for a few games, the Kings have not been blown out. Yet most games are tight right up to the end. Unlike most years, the Kings are not blowing these tight games (in most cases).
The games are fun and exciting, and the team looks good.
However, when I watch them, I cannot NOT see the vulnerabilities in the team, which makes them hard to watch.
Yet when I look at the standings, I don’t fixate on the teams nipping at our heels. I look at Memphis and think, We’re just 2.5 games away from booting them.
I can’t figure out if I’m a pessimist or an optimist.

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February 15, 2023 11:32 am

I can’t figure out if I’m a pessimist or an optimist.

As Kings fans, we’re probably a bit of both. Or maybe some of us more fatalistic than pessimistic?

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February 15, 2023 1:53 pm

Still think they should have grabbed a backup center. That hole is huge. At this point, I’d rather play Len.

I think if they could find an upgrade, they would. I doubt Len is the answer. I would give Holmes another shot were I Brown. The Kings have 6 b2b’s coming up in the remaining 25 games. You have a home/road b2b (Portland/@LA Clippers), 2 home b2b’s (LA Clippers/Minnesota & Phoenix/Utah), road/home b2b (@Utah/Boston), and 2 road b2b’s (@Chicago/@Brooklyn & @New Orleans/@Dallas). So depth will matter down the stretch.

The games are fun and exciting, and the team looks good.

However, when I watch them, I cannot NOT see the vulnerabilities in the team, which makes them hard to watch.

I enjoy the games and the process. I don’t worry, especially during the game, what the roster construction is.

Yet when I look at the standings, I don’t fixate on the teams nipping at our heels. I look at Memphis and think, We’re just 2.5 games away from booting them.

I can’t figure out if I’m a pessimist or an optimist.

Eh, you’re a weirdo in a fanbase full of ’em.

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February 16, 2023 7:36 am
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Right now I’d give Holmes another chance. From what we have to pick from IMO he would be the choice although in certain situations such as the overtime game Lyles can do the job.

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February 15, 2023 8:46 am

I know I’m going to have to duck after saying this, but Westbrook off the bench would have helped a lot tonight.

I like Russ on an affordable deal, a lot actually. I think he would do really well in this motion offense. The guy rebounds well as well.

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February 15, 2023 8:49 am

The issue would be whether he wants to come and for what the Kings could offer.

Miami is the team I think he goes to.

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February 15, 2023 9:18 am
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Nate…
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Were you a consultant on this?

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February 15, 2023 9:30 am
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Sadly no Rob. I do not have a stranglehold on a deranged sense of humor. Me and God continue to disagree on that one. We clearly see things differently.

The mask doesn’t suite Pooh though. Menacing serial killer Pooh with a commie hat is a much better look IMO.

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February 15, 2023 8:50 am

I don’t think you are wrong. At all.

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February 15, 2023 9:22 am

I read an article that said he would maximize his earning potential if he sticks with the Jazz and then does a sign and trade next season. Had to do with the intricacies of contract rules. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him finish the year with the Jazz.
It would be interesting to see him off the bench for the Kings. He’d have to keep his ego in check, which I don’t think he can do.

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February 15, 2023 2:53 pm

Would love to see a deep dive article about what it is that teams like Philly, Phoenix, and Boston do to consistently best the Kings unlike other teams in the association. These games feel just out of reach from start to finish. It’s gotta be something more than “good players making good shots” cuz we struggle against them even when they’re missing top guys.

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February 16, 2023 9:28 am
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I think the difference is just those teams are built from top to bottom to be title contenders, while the Kings are built to hopefully make the playoffs. The gap between the Kings and those teams is still quite wide.

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