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NBA Trade Rumors: Kings not shopping Harrison Barnes

Barnes has recovered from his early slump and the Kings are not trying to move him.
By | 50 Comments | Nov 21, 2022

Oct 29, 2022; Sacramento, California, USA; Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes (40) warms up before the game against the Miami Heat at Golden 1 Center. Mandatory Credit: Darren Yamashita-USA TODAY Sports

Late last week Shams Charania of the Athletic reported that the Phoenix Suns were interested in Harrison Barnes, among other trade targets. From Shams:

The Suns have a handful of first-rounders to move, but given the team’s impending ownership change, it’s also uncertain how many future assets the current regime can move. In addition, the Suns expressed interest in forwards such as Sacramento’s Harrison Barnes, Washington’s Kyle Kuzma and Houston’s KJ Martin, league sources have said.

The Suns have been trying to find a trade partner to take on Jae Crowder, who is away from the Suns while they shop him and is in the final year of his contract. Barnes’ name being in trade rumors is nothing new, as he’s been featured heavily in rumors for the last two seasons. As a respected veteran who is now also in the final year of his contract, those rumors figure to continue through the trade deadline.

But according to ESPN 1320’s James Ham, the Kings have no interest in moving Barnes at this moment:

According to a league source, the Kings are not currently in conversations regarding Barnes and they are focused on building chemistry with the present roster.

After the Kings’ 0-4 start, Barnes felt like the odd man out in the Kings starting lineup. His scoring, shooting, assists, and rebounds all looked awful. He looked sluggish on defense. Many Kings fans, myself included, wondered if the Kings had waited too long to trade Barnes and what would happen if his value had suddenly plummeted.

But Barnes has recovered nicely. He was instrumental in the Kings recent win over the Detroit Pistons, and his numbers across the board have recovered. Over the Kings current 6-game win streak Barnes is averaging 16.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 2.7 assists while shooting 42.1% from 3. His season numbers are still down overall, but are creeping back to normal with each passing game.

While there’s an obvious concern about Barnes’ impending free agency, it makes sense for the Kings to bide their time and not be overly eager to shake up the roster when the team is playing so well. Barnes was long asked to be the second or third best player on the Kings, and then blamed when he underwhelmed those expectations. Now Barnes is the 4th or 5th best starter, which is ideal for a player of his caliber. Barnes isn’t going to give you 20+ a night, but on any given night he’s capable of getting hot. And on the nights he doesn’t he can still contribute.

The Kings could still move Barnes at the deadline, but as long as the Kings are playing well the team will need to be very cautious not to unnecessarily disrupt the locker room vibes for anything less than a great return.

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RPO
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November 21, 2022 10:08 pm

Funny what winning can do for your perspective. Happy to hold on to him at this point.

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November 21, 2022 10:24 pm
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Exactly right, we should extend him at this point.

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November 21, 2022 10:18 pm

Please keep the man.

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November 21, 2022 10:21 pm

The Kings have time when it comes to Barnes. Everyone in the league knows who he is and what is is capable of, and that won’t change by the deadline. Unless some outragous overpay comes into Monte, he’s best just to sit tight.

Of course there is always the “Rudy Gay worst case scenario” when he gets a season or near season ending injury prior to the deadline. He be sunk cost by that point, but if a GM worried about worse case scenarios and let that dictate their moves, they’d be out of a job in a year or two.

I’ll repost what i said in the recap thread:

The fact that Bojan Bogdanovic, who really is just a one way player, just inked a 2 year $40M extension, it has me worried that if the Kings wait until the offseason they may lose Barnes for nothing. Someone will pay him.

I feel he needs to be extended now, or moved by the deadline. It could be crushing to the locker room if he is a key cog to a solid run this season and is gone for nothing this summer. The Kings won’t be able to replace him in free agency.

I’m in the camp of extending him now. He’s a good player and I think he wants to stay here in Sac. The guy did re-sign with the Kings in 2019, by agreeing to terms the day before free agency. Does Monte make that kind of gamble and wait until the end of June?

Again, the Kings have time. There are a lot of games between now and the deadline.

Lastly, is there a date in the season in which a player cannot be signed to an extension, or is that available at any time? I’m guessing Nate has an answer to that?

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November 21, 2022 10:27 pm
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I think it is available anytime?

Fox got his max deal a year before his existing deal was set to expire?

I think it becomes a bit of a game. Does the player take the guaranteed money or get some competing offers to raise it? Are the offers going to raise it?

Either way I would like to see Barnes here for a long time. He finally has some other intelligent players and coaches along side to help him.

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November 21, 2022 10:38 pm

Fox was a rookie scale extension, which does have a deadline of the day before the season starts in their third year. That is why I was wondering if there is a similar deadline for non-rookie scale deals. According to Spotrac, Barnes is available for an extension, but I’m not sure how accurate that is.

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November 22, 2022 1:14 pm
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Assuming Barnes was extended during the season, could he still be traded at the deadline? Or is he ineligible to be moved until after the season?

Caveat: I don’t know why Barnes would sign an extension if he thought he would end up being moved without any say.

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November 22, 2022 4:18 pm
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Assuming Barnes signs an extension in season, he won’t be eligible to be traded for 6 months. So basically don’t consider him tradeable until at least the 2023 draft.

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November 22, 2022 7:44 am
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Everyone in the league knows who he is and what is is capable of, and that won’t change by the deadline. 

I’m sorry Adam, but that’s quite a shift from a few weeks ago where you called him “Utahs version of Rudy Gay” or stated he had no trade value and floated Barnes trades for Hayward or Duncan Robinsons awful contracts.

That said I don’t disagree with your premise here.

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November 22, 2022 9:07 am
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Because he was playing like shit and putting up career low numbers. He looked a shell of himself, but has now returned to form. He proved me and any other doubters wrong and I’m fine to admit that. Good thing I’m not an NBA GM. How about I amend my statement to San Antonio’s version of Rudy Gay? 😜

That being said, a Holmes and Barnes trade for Hayward (and his horrible deal) and a Hornets pick is still something I would still consider doing, especially by the deadline. Letting Barnes walk for nothing is still the worst case scenario in my book.

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November 22, 2022 10:07 am
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If we can and that’s a big if keep the chemistry then I am on your wagon. IMO Hayward might be the best trade to keep the chemistry than a lot others that might be out there. Kuzma for instance is not really a team player while IMO Hayward would be. Collins is younger but he doesn’t play defense. Positives for Hayward are team player good play maker can still drive and a good locker room asset.He has two years left on his contract but then we draft a good 3 and D next year and have time to develop him. All this could improve the team.

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November 22, 2022 10:08 am
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And we get a pick.

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November 22, 2022 4:50 pm
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It seems unlikely that Charlotte would part with a first round pick for players that don’t make them a playoff contender this year. The chance that Barnes will re-sign is worth more than a couple seconds IMO.

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November 22, 2022 12:24 pm
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Lastly, is there a date in the season in which a player cannot be signed to an extension, or is that available at any time?

They can sign an extension anytime between now and June 30th.

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November 22, 2022 5:24 am

I have always been a fan of Barnes.. hope we can keep him on. A reasonable deal or take a chance and get a guy like Jonathon Issac. In return. Not a fair swap but could be a situation where an inferior player helps the team because of fit….

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November 22, 2022 5:48 am
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BTW… I’m sure there are better options than oft injured Issac but he came to mind as a player that fits and fills a weakness

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November 22, 2022 10:10 am
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He can’t stay healthy but so does Hayward.

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November 22, 2022 10:51 am
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I can’t see any realistic situation where Isaac is even worth a chance, for anything other than a 1-yr non-guaranteed deal for the minimum allowed. He hasn’t played an NBA game in almost three years. At this point, his career is basically washed. Certainly not worth answering a trade call over, unless it’s for a top-59 protected 2nd round pick in 2032.

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November 22, 2022 1:16 pm
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Plus, he seems to have a lot of trouble getting his head around reality. He’d polarize the locker room in about ten minutes.

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November 22, 2022 3:45 pm
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What he’s not grounded in reality because he didn’t want to take a vaccine that does not stop the transmission of the virus? His body his choice.. or because he invited his team to see his sermon he was giving at his church…

don’t consider those divisive all about him items. But hey I respect what people choose to do with their body as long as they are not using their body to hurt others… which he was not doing. Now if he was sitting on people and smothering them to death then he shouldn’t use his body as a weapon.

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One could argue he is much better about having his head in reality. But I won’t interrupt your soapbox speech.

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November 22, 2022 5:44 am

I have been a suspect of Barnes since we traded for him and I have been largely proven wrong. He has proven his worth and been a good King. The opt out and extension turned out a studious win for both parties. I still think there was a case to flip him last year if not the year before, but the Kings have a case for holding onto him that’s been equally strong.

My concern though is really his viability in extending, his financial expectations and that compared to alternatives. Coming into camp it really seemed from reports he might not be here post this year. And if he is open to staying, the fact that over his next deal he may transition to a four, might be troublesome with Murray. But if he is the bird in the hand re-upping would have sense for both parties based on our lack of ability to attract other options. Crowder, Barton you may not have a drop off but for how long is worrisome. Nor am I sure we could assuringly get either come the summer. A tier below starts to come with finger crossing or players with glaring issues, what if’s or clunky fits.

Monte though would be wise to exhaust the market with the Indi 2nd (maybe one of our own as well) and Holmes’s salary for available three’s. Is that enough for the position of premium to get a viable starter grade guy I would guess no but maybe the Spurs want to clear some cap and rotation minutes for McBuckets.

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November 22, 2022 8:05 am

comes toWhat you said is probably right. I don’t want to upset the apple cart when it comes to chemistry. What I worry about is age. If Monty could get someone younger say 24 to 26 that fits his timeline more and would be a good fit then he should consider that.

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November 22, 2022 6:13 am

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November 22, 2022 6:52 am

Seems like a weird thing to come out and deny.

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November 22, 2022 1:19 pm
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Maybe if it wasn’t a fairly hot topic of conversation. Besides, it’s smart to publicize that he’s off the market, it just raises the price for interested teams.

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November 22, 2022 7:12 am

I’m totally against letting an asset expire, but with everything Monte has done, he gets a pass from me here.

Let him stay if he wants to stay and keep trying to have all this fun. I’ve always liked Barnes and still feel he can fill some gaps on the floor.

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I agree but when he is gone how are you going to replace him? We do have next years draft but the rookie better be good. You probably won’t get anyone close in FA. Sometimes its better to do something while the iron is hot.

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November 22, 2022 10:14 am
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You also have to look to the future. Monty needs to keep improvig the team or we might have only one playoff run. Would be sad.

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November 22, 2022 11:05 am
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Would be a bit easier to move on from Barnes if Murray proves he can shoot the 3 like he did the first few games and not the brick he is right now.

Still unsure how Keegan suddenly can’t shoot. Still hope it’s been injury

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November 22, 2022 1:31 pm
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I’d guess that it’s somewhat due to injury, but even though he appears unflappable at all times, it’s understandable that he may be overwhelmed with all that comes in a rookie season. Murray may have had his confidence shook a bit, but he is who he is, and he’ll play his way back into the kind of player that, honestly, he already is.

He’s got great mentors with Brown and Barnes, and it’s not as if he needs a dramatic course correction. He just needs to keep getting back on the horse after he’s thrown. It’s a huge step here that the team isn’t reliant on him having a great game in order to secure victories. I honestly can’t conceive the idea that he’s not going to come around, and sooner rather than later.

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November 22, 2022 1:24 pm
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There’s still cap space, which may actually be attractive to free agents if it looks like Sacramento has built a culture that lets players excel. We’ve got Monk & Huerter far exceeding any previous output, because they’re getting opportunities previously denied. The same goes for Fox under Mike Brown.

It’s always going to be a tough sell, but if nothing else, the toxic dumpster fire is finally out. There will be players who won’t let calls from McNair go straight to voicemail, and with that, there’s a chance.

Which is new.

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November 22, 2022 7:56 am

The Kings don’t need to move Harrison Barnes today, tomorrow or at the deadline. And they could easily just let him walk in FA if that’s what’s best for him and the team next July. It’s not like Harrison Barnes leaving the org would be an earth shattering thing for you to figure out over the summer. Wasn’t it a big deal that the Kings let Donte DiVicenzo walk? How big a deal is that, really?

The Kings should move Harrison Barnes for one reason and one reason only: You get a substantial improvement that helps you improve the team’s defense without causing your offense to take a major step backward. You have a top 5 offense and a bottom 5 defense by O and D Rtg at the moment. Some of that is SSS, bad luck and some of it is bad defense. Some of it is roster construction.

Trading Harrison Barnes won’t likely fix your systemic issues nor should it be approached as such. But Harrison Barnes does help you win games TODAY and last I checked the Kings have never gotten to a place where at the mid point of the season they were seriously considered a potential playoff team outside of a single season a few years ago. Where that team, fairly or not, did largely overachieve for a large part of the season and fell back down to Earth even after acquiring Harrison Barnes for so little I’m not sure people even remember who was traded to the Mavs to get Barnes in the first place.

The Kings don’t need to trade Harrison Barnes, I repeat (for the umpteenth time). Asset maximization is an opinion of how to get the most value out of a roster, what it is not is a guarantee in how to do so. And even when you spend money, you still get criticizied for spending money badly depending on whom you’re talking to. So it’s not like trading a player to ‘maximize asset value’ or ‘spending money because you can’ guarantees anything. It doesn’t.

Unless you’re trading Harrison Barnes for a longterm core piece, keep him around for the season. He helps Keegan Murray, he helps the roster, he’s smart and knows how to play even if he’s not a perfect matchup everywhere against everyone. There’s plenty of issues with this roster, what the Kings do after the season with Harrison Barnes after the season isn’t even really top 5 that McNair and the FO has to address at this time.

I get people want the vision beforehand, but that’s not how this works. Patience is a virtue, we’re going to have to wait to see how this thing plays out and that includes Harrison Barnes.

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November 22, 2022 9:55 am
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And they could easily just let him walk in FA if that’s what’s best for him and the team next July. It’s not like Harrison Barnes leaving the org would be an earth shattering thing for you to figure out over the summer.

I’d like to know you what you think the Kings could to do to replace Barnes. If you admit that the Kings have a top 5 offense with him and they help the Kings win TODAY, how do you replace that in free agency?

By my rough math, if the Kings let everyone walk in free agency, they’d have 7 players Fox, Sabonis, Huerter, Holmes, Monk, Murray and Mitchell and would sit around $105M in guaranteed deals. That doesn’t count the possibility of a first round 2023 pick.

7 players at $105M with an expected cap of somewhere between $125-$130 (it was $123.6M this year). So at best the Kings are looking at $25M in cap space, not counting any exceptions. Who would be a good target to replace a starting level player in Barnes with that kind of space AND who would be willing to come to Sac?

Short list of FAs this summer that may fit that bill and what they currently make: Jermi Grant ($20M), Myles Turner ($18M), Caris LeVert ($18M), Kuzma ($13M PO), Josh Hart ($12.6M PO), Oubre (12.3M), and maybe a few others if I squint.

If Monte feels he can replace at least most of what Barnes brings at a reasonable price with one of those guys, then let Barnes walk. It’s a gamble though. This is why I feel it may also be better to simply extend Barnes on a deal that pays him less annually than what he makes now to keep continuity and fill in other holes with what is left with cap space. They also still need to replace or re-sign current free agent roles players in TD, Lyles, and Metu.

Like you said, a move doesn’t have to happen today or anytime soon, but I’d much prefer to extend him then let him walk and futz around in free agency.

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November 22, 2022 12:31 pm
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At this point, what I’m advocating is for patience. I don’t think you need to have an answer for Barnes right this second.

You don’t need to trade him unless you have the right trade out there. You can move on this summer. You can extend and/or resign him. None of these options require a decision today.

You want an answer. But that doesn’t mean the org is obligated to give you one.

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November 22, 2022 1:54 pm
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It’s important to remember that McNair can’t make Barnes sign another contract, and if it is Barnes’ intent to leave town, that’s how it’s going to be. I’d rather have the cap room than take back bad pieces/contracts.

As has been said, sometimes nothing is a real cool move. We’ll know when we know.

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November 22, 2022 2:53 pm
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Who says it has to be bad pieces/contracts? If that’s the case then pass, but if a team, like the Suns or Heat, come wanting to buy at the deadline, then why not?

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November 22, 2022 4:22 pm
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If that’s the case then pass, but if a team, like the Suns or Heat, come wanting to buy at the deadline, then why not?

Not interested in Jae Crowder for Barnes unless that’s Richaun Holmes you’re moving. Not sure if Phoenix is that motivated to do that.

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November 22, 2022 8:05 am

Not mad about it. It’s hard for me to imagine flipping Barnes for a player that is as good or better than he is, and he’s so solid as the 4th/5th option that you wonder why he can’t just be the guy here for another 3-4 years?

I don’t believe the roster is complete, but I also think things are going so well that you don’t want to tinker too much. Barnes makes sense with the team on the floor and in the locker room, and the value of that can’t be overstated.

At this point, when considering the alternatives of losing him for nothing or trading him for a player that likely won’t fit as well, I’m leaning toward resigning Barnes.

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November 22, 2022 9:06 am

Seeing him realizing success as he settles into his new role of being the 4th/5th option, and seemingly excelling as a relief valve of sorts, I wouldn’t mind seeing him stay on via an extension. The question is, what would that look like. Maybe a 3/$45-$50 gives him some security for the next couple of years in a place he does seem to enjoy, and buys us some time to find the player who will let Barnes transition to a key bench piece.

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November 22, 2022 9:58 am
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That is exactly around the amount I’d offer him. If possible front load it and give him a PO in his 3rd year. Something like $17M, $15M, $13M PO.

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November 22, 2022 10:24 am
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If I had a choice in FA from the above mentioned players I would take Hart then Grant.

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November 22, 2022 9:56 am

The current Kings team has a great chemistry and positivity. Barnes is an important part of that. Barnes so often scores when the Kings have dry spells- and is doing so efficiently now. He’s not loud, or showy like some of his teammates. He is also a true professional. Extend him.

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November 22, 2022 10:37 am

Let’s not forget – Barnes is Vivek’s guy – wether he is playing well or not, you can bet your bottom dollar he will get a contract extension.

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Everyone on the roster is being paid with Ranadive’s money, so they’re all his guy. If McNair had the juice to trade Haliburton, he’s certainly got enough to do what he feels is best in regard to Harrison Barnes.

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November 22, 2022 12:58 pm

The Pros of Harrison Barnes
Wonderful guy: smart, reliable
Pro’s Pro
Championship pedigree
Has nice 3 point ability
Has nice low post ability
Decent Free Throw %
Decent Rebounder
Good decision maker
He’s happy fitting in, isn’t trying to “get his”, but seems to know what to do and when to do it
Good relationship with HC Brown
Super choice as Keegan Murray mentor

The Cons of Harrison Barnes
He’s getting $20M/season
He’s a solid starter but not a star
He’s not an Ace Defender; last season’s stats say he’s Less Than
His skill set seems to be on the start of the downslope

Just my opinion: Pros > Cons

The things on the (+) side of the ledger outweigh the (-) side. I really like him as a Keegan Murray mentor. I really like that he has the skill set to be a low post threat – other than the obvious (Domas), who else on the Kings is a low post player? Alex Len? Metu isn’t a low post player – he’s a Lob threat. Who else is a secondary rebounder? I thought it was Richaun Holmes – but Mike Brown doesn’t think so (or they are holding him out to trade him without injury).

If you are looking for areas to improve the Kings, I would like to see another 4 or 5 who played powerfully to give Sabonis a rest and add to the D down low. Right now, HB is the guy who does that better than anyone else on the Kings other than Domas. As for his $20M – fine by me – ain’t my money and if it takes Sac extra cabbage to make it to the playoffs – then spend it or sell the team. Enough is enough.

Another Hot Take by me.

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November 22, 2022 1:10 pm

Under the current circumstances, I think the trade deadline is going to come at Sacramento like a high-speed train. If they’re still playing well and in the hunt, you don’t want to mess that up, but if an actual decent offer is there (i.e. not Jae Crowder), I could see making a move.

Without bothering to check, I’m assuming that the Suns’ draft picks are likely to be out of the lottery and likely in the twenties, which, for me at least, doesn’t move the needle.

Having yammered all that, if under the ridiculous circumstance that they make Ayton available, how many first-rounder would you be willing to include with Barnes in order to make that happen?

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November 22, 2022 1:25 pm
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I don’t really see Ayton playing well next to Sabonis.

Hypothetical scenario: Let’s say it’s the deadline and the Suns still haven’t moved Crowder. They sit near the top of the West and the Kings are hovering between 7th and 8th, which is optimistic IMO.

They offer Crowder, their unconditional 2023 first round pick, and expiring filler (Saric) for Barnes. Do you bite? Keep in mind both Barnes and Crowder are UFA. Would swapping Barnes for Crowder move that needle all that much in terms of wins and losses with 1/3 of the season to go? You help the Suns, but get a late first round pick as thanks.

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November 22, 2022 1:30 pm
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I’ll add, what if it were their 2024 pick, which is more of an unknown, but CP3 will be another year older? It also help mitigate the loss of the Kings 2024 pick (hopefully) to the ATL as part of the Huerter deal.

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November 22, 2022 11:00 pm
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I’m not an Ayton fan. The Kings traded away high talent/ low BBIQ in Buddy and Bagley. I put Ayton in that camp.

As seen tonight (Memphis win), you ain’t moving HB. He’s as much glue as Domas on the Kings.

You find a way to move Holmes and get some front court help that rebound and defend and put in some low post offense when your 3 pt game is cold. He’s not available, but Brandon Clarke would be a nice fit.

Metu is your guy now and he is a lob threat and an “oh no” 3 point shooter. He rebounds poorly and doesn’t help defend/block shots well.

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