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Kings 137, Piston 129: Sacramento survives an ugly one to extend win streak to six

Light The Beam!
By | 167 Comments | Nov 20, 2022

November 20, 2022; Sacramento, California, USA; Sacramento Kings forward Domantas Sabonis (10) dribbles the basketball against Detroit Pistons forward Marvin Bagley III (35) during the first quarter at Golden 1 Center. Mandatory Credit: Kyle Terada-USA TODAY Sports

The Sacramento Kings played host to the Detroit Pistons on Sunday, with the return of former second overall pick Marvin Bagley. The Pistons are struggling and were missing Cade Cunningham and Saddiq Bey to injuries. Could the Kings take care of business and extend their winning streak to six?

Quick Stats

Outcome: Kings win, 137-129

Sacramento Kings: 137 pts, 55.3% fg, 34.3% 3 pt, 88.6% ft, 29 ast, 41 reb, 11 to

Detroit Pistons: 129 pts, 52.8% fg, 51.7% 3pt, 87.0% ft, 20ast, 35 reb, 12 to

This was an ugly, ugly game. The Pistons were on fire from deep despite normally being one of the worst-shooting teams in the NBA. Domantas Sabonis had the absolute crap beat out of him by Detroit, often as the refs swallowed their whistles. The Kings struggled mightily from beyond the arc. And yet despite all of this, they never gave up, fought and clawed their way back, and emerged with their sixth straight victory.

Light The Beam!

The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
THE GOOD
  1. Classic Harry B: Harrison Barnes was huge in this game, finishing with 27 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 assists. It felt like every time the Kings were sputtering and needed a basket, Barnes was there to pick up the slack
  2. Late-game execution: In what is quickly becoming a trend, the Kings really tightened up their defensive and offensive execution late in the game to secure the victory. I’d prefer they execute better earlier in the game so we wouldn’t need the late-game heroics, but we’ll take progress one step at a time.
  3. Bully Ball Domas: As mentioned, Sabonis got beat up in this game. He had a cut on his arm that caused a game stoppage. He got a cut behind his ear that required him to get treated in the locker room. He got clocked upside the head in a play where somehow HE was called for the foul. And yet, despite the evident frustration with the refs, Domas was huge. He finished with15 points, 13 rebounds, and 7 assists.
The Bad
  1. Shooting Woes: The Kings shot just 34.3% from deep this game. Huerter finished 411 (but a few of those makes came late, right when they were needed) and Keegan Murray was 1-6. The team just wasn’t hitting their looks tonight, and that’s bound to happen from time to time over the course of 82 games. But it was painful to watch
  2. Defense: The Kings were giving the Pistons open looks from deep, which on paper seemed like a sound strategy except the Pistons kept making everything. But if you’re leaving the arc open, you need to be protecting the paint and the Kings simply weren’t. Bojan Bogdanovic and Jaden Ivey were getting to the rim with ease the entire game.
The UGLY
  1. The Officiating: If I was the Kings front office, I’d be sending montages of blown calls into the league office after each game. The inconsistency of what the Kings get called for compared to what their opponents get away with is staggering. On a late play that will on tomorrow’s two-minute report, Kevin Huerter was called for a foul because the shooter hit Huerter in the side of the face with the ball. Luckily the Kings overcame the officiating and won anyway.
The King of Kings

Is there any doubt? It’s De’Aaron Fox, who once again was dominant. Clutch free throws, big threes, big dunks, engaged defense, Fox did it all tonight. He finished with 33 points, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds. Simply put, the Kings don’t win this game without Fox going Star Fox in the 4th.

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November 20, 2022 6:08 pm

Pistons dance!

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November 20, 2022 6:13 pm

The Pistons were dancing till the Kings brought them to their knees!

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November 20, 2022 6:17 pm

The Pistons blew a gasket down the stretch!

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November 20, 2022 10:37 pm
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November 20, 2022 6:18 pm

Amazing night at G1C.

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November 20, 2022 7:22 pm
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What was Bagley’s ovation like?

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November 20, 2022 7:51 pm
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Got boo’d all night. How loud and how many fans it was I’m not sure (Marty might be able to answer that), but it was pretty loud from what I could hear over the Pistons broadcast.

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November 20, 2022 8:05 pm
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Seems unfair, at least up to a point. Had he been a second round pick (probably about right for him) no one would blame him for being a mediocre player. But it was Vlade who picked him second overall and overhyped him. That his body is fragile and he gets hurt is not a flaw of his moral character. Yes, he overhyped himself, but that was encouraged by others, including his father.

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November 20, 2022 8:29 pm
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Plus Coach Mike Krzyzewski saying Bagley is the best player he ever had a Duke!

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November 20, 2022 8:49 pm
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That’s when I knew Bagley wasn’t it—-Coach K said the same (or similar hyperbole) about Okafor. Ofor4

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November 21, 2022 12:28 pm
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Was at the game and there were resounding boos every time he touched the ball or name was called by the announcer. Was reminiscent of the treatment Spencer Hawes got for a couple years for saying he supported the Kings moving to Seattle and Jason Terry got for refusing to show up in Sacramento after being traded here. Marvin’s dad was sitting in the front row and he was booed too when he stood up for over a minute protesting a foul call on his kid. He was visibly pointing to the Pistons bench urging a coaches challenge on the call. All n’ all it felt like passionate Kings fans blowing off steam over years of frustration recognizing that the team bagley era on several levels was highly frustrating.

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November 21, 2022 1:08 pm
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Yeah, Bagley’s dad was annoying, even watching on TV.

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November 21, 2022 7:28 pm
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I didn’t realize that idiot was Bagley’s dad.

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November 20, 2022 8:55 pm
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Also, when he was overhyping himself, he was pretty young. I would just let him be. I wouldn’t blame him for our disappointment.

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November 20, 2022 9:43 pm
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You’re a Kings fan talking about fairness?
Come on, we all know fairness doesn’t exist.
In most places, Bagley would have been relentlessly booed halfway through his 2nd season.

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November 21, 2022 6:40 am
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My point: he wouldn’t have been booed if he had been a second-rounder. It wasn’t his fault that he was selected second overall.

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November 21, 2022 8:30 am
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He and his family also might not have been a-holes had he been a second rounder?

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November 21, 2022 8:31 am
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who’s fault was it when he picked himself to win league MVP?

I think you are cutting him too much slack. He deserves the boo birds.

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November 21, 2022 8:53 am
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He was 19 years old when he said he would be MVP, a mere child. Cut him some slack.

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November 21, 2022 9:02 am
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There’s actually a guy here who’s name is a disparagement of Bagley. I appreciate your efforts, but there are some tragically small people among us.

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November 21, 2022 9:04 am
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His name can be taken as a disparagement of Vlade. Cut him some slack too.

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November 21, 2022 10:00 am
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The pick at that spot should have been any body but Bagley. Not Bagley’s fault.

Bagley was picked in the wrong spot. His Dad is a jack ass. Bagley was not mature enough to realize the folly of his NBA career.

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November 21, 2022 10:02 am
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Big picture is picking anybody but Bagley would have been better.

Nothing against Bagley.

You going to start calling people names now?

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November 21, 2022 10:44 am
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Every player pushing for that dream and legitimately drafted into the NBA should have that desire and drive to be MVP. Called confidence. Bagley’s confidence was simply normal.

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November 21, 2022 11:25 am
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Nope. It was his fault how he carried himself the first 3 yrs. with the media. That’s more the issue I think most of us has vs. who he was drafted over. Most of us understand a player doesn’t have control over where they’re drafted but he did nothing to endear himself to the fanbase or even his team, really. He’s gone. I’m glad. He’s not worth a “boo” in my book but I’m not gonna begrudge anyone for wanting to. He is the definition of a bust.

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November 21, 2022 9:00 am
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In many places, trans people wouldn’t just be assaulted, they’d be systematically murdered.

I guess we’re pretty great after all!

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November 21, 2022 9:20 am
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What the heck is that supposed to mean?

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November 21, 2022 10:02 am
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Exactly.

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November 21, 2022 9:01 am
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That we live in an unfair society is not a reason for us to treat one another unfairly, just the opposite.

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November 21, 2022 10:17 am
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In most places, Bagley would have been relentlessly booed halfway through his 2nd season.

In order to get boos, you have to be on the court Dutchman. Just saying…

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November 21, 2022 11:12 am
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He should have been cheered when playing and booed when sitting on the bench or in Phoenix for extremely long periods of time.

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November 21, 2022 8:58 am
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Yeah, that was tremendously embarrassing. It’s not often that this fanbase should be ashamed of themselves, but given the chance to be the bigger person and move on without hard feelings, that was an airballed free throw.

I guess there are still a lot of people letting Marvin Bagley live rent-free in their heads.

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November 21, 2022 10:22 am
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I guess there are still a lot of people letting Marvin Bagley live rent-free in their heads.

Too many people were booing simply because of whom he is not.

I think it’s time to put this whole thing to bed. It was a bad decision amongst a myriad number of bad decisions.

I hope Bagley the tree can put it together. He’s talented enough and in the right spot to figure it out if nothing else.

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November 21, 2022 10:47 am
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Bagley should have been in the G league. Not his fault he hit the lottery and was available for the KaNgZ.

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November 21, 2022 9:06 am
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Agreed, we should save our boos for Vlade.

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November 21, 2022 10:23 am
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I’m over Vlade. I want to start cheering this team, not constantly over-analyzing the many ills that have befuddled this franchise over the years.

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November 21, 2022 10:46 am
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Focus on the present not the past. Exactly.

What is our Ortg or our Drtg after the last game?

The defense sucked ass but better than it has historically been.

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November 21, 2022 6:40 pm
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Yep

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November 21, 2022 11:30 am
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Bagley should have been a top 10 pick. His biggest problem in the NBA has been staying on the floor which is something you can’t really scout if he was always healthy in high school and college. He still has the makings of a solid athletic big when he’s actually playing. That said, it definitely didn’t help him to be drafted over players already established as a generational talent, a couple of all stars and a few more solid role players.

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November 20, 2022 9:37 pm
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The booing was much louder than expected. It started early and never really went away, Kings fans were focused. It was significant. Truly a wonderful thing to see.

Booing doesn’t have to be made into some evil, dark behavior. Sometimes it’s just simply fun to boo a foe.

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November 21, 2022 9:04 am
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That’s gotta be it. Remember how loud that (checks notes) no other former Kings player was booed upon returning to Sacramento?

The fans basically elevated Marvin Bagley to the level of Kobe Bryant. Nice work!

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November 21, 2022 10:03 am
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?

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November 21, 2022 1:03 pm
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Fans cheer, fans boo.

I can’t believe this is controversial and “shame worthy”.

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November 21, 2022 8:22 pm
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My username is a societal issue I guess?

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November 21, 2022 10:29 am
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Booing doesn’t have to be made into some evil, dark behavior. Sometimes it’s just simply fun to boo a foe.

That’s my problem. It’s not that I care about the booing, I think it’s a reminder of how angry alot of people are about something that happened 4 1/2 years ago. That Bagley is only a representation of, nothing else. He was booed because he’s not Luka Doncic. That’s a dumb reason to boo IMO.

But I think it was done to remind the powers that be that this fanbase doesn’t forgive or forget egregiously bad behaviors exhibited during the Vlade era.

That said, I don’t think you show that by booing a player. You do that by not showing up which fans did do for quite awhile.

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November 21, 2022 10:59 am
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Bagley and everything about his entire existence on this team was a mistake. Bagley is the player associated with all of it. He cashed the checks and said what he said. He got booed. He is a big boy and played basketball through it.

Not always a nice world we live in and sometimes booing at a sports event is fun. Bagley is just fine and extremely wealthy. Nothing personal. I was not booing Bagley. Inside I was cheering the fact that he was finally wearing another jersey in G1.

This singular event is nothing like the abuse Simmons has dealt with during his mental crisis.

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November 20, 2022 10:06 pm
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loud and consistent.
This was the type of game where if the Kings were the Pistons, we would be saying- we hung tough against a good team but in the end we could not put it away.

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November 21, 2022 10:30 am
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Yep. Well said.

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November 21, 2022 11:13 am
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You pay your money and you take your chances. Within reason the criticism you take isn’t overly personal or racist/sexist etc. In short I don’t really care, think some of the booing is a bit much at times. But if you enter the league and take the money, it seems to me that’s part of what you signed up for

I’d suggest he could have handled it better with a degree of self awareness

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November 21, 2022 11:26 am
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Funny thing is, odds would have only given a 52% chance that he would be suited up for the game.

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November 20, 2022 6:22 pm

This team is always one hot streak from catching a lead, and I’m glad they found it before the game ended tonight. Massive offensive rebounds by Sabonis lead to some much needed scores by Huerter — all credit to the latter for continuing to shoot through a below-average night. And of course, Fox with the late game midrange dagger and free throw consistency that is starting to become much appreciated comfort food for this squad.

We started getting stops in the 4th when the starters were put in, but it was when coach switched out Murray for Mitchell that the defense really locked in. Davion has shown he can do damage against much bigger scorers — tonight it was Bojan, last week it was Durant. I think he should be closing alongside the rest of the starters more often than not. Murray will get there in time.

Last time the Kings went on a win streak like this, I was 9. The streak ended in a 30 point loss on my 10th birthday. Glad to see the beam’s getting lit again today.

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November 20, 2022 6:54 pm
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Fellow Northwest Kings fan here! I agree with Davion. He is a literal weapon for Brown.

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November 20, 2022 11:32 pm
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Ayo that’s rad! I got my tickets today for March 29th in Portland, gonna get my tickets for the March 31st game next month I think. You gonna come out too??

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November 21, 2022 12:13 pm
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Now if Davion would stop trying to guard opponents tightly on pick and rolls 40 feet from the basket. Go under the pick and stop the dribble drive! Let them take 35 footers all night! With the exception of Steph Curry, nobody will hit that shot with any consistency.

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November 20, 2022 7:41 pm
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The last time the Kings had a streak like this, I was newly married, just bought our first home in Sac, I was sporting a Nokia flip phone, and awaiting my Netflix DVDs in the mail.

I now have two kids, one of which will be driving soon, we are on our third home up in Placer County, and I haven’t used physical media (other than vinyl) in close to a decade.

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Same.
Except I am an empty nester and the now grown-man pictured below in blue shirt in the old arena over 6 years after said win streak (which did not occur in his lifetime), has graduated early, and is studying abroad

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November 20, 2022 6:22 pm

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From 666 of Basketball Hell to Six Wins!

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November 20, 2022 6:36 pm

I’m a JJ Pfister man, but it’s tough to beat Gym Beam.

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November 20, 2022 6:39 pm

Ugly victories>”Moral” victories.

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November 20, 2022 6:54 pm
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Well said.

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November 20, 2022 10:43 pm
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Every win is beautiful.

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November 20, 2022 6:41 pm

I’m usually one to dismiss terrible reffing as something that evens/averages out over the year but the Kings apparently constantly getting the short end of the stick is troublesome. Hope that coach blew up during the postgame.

For now, another beam lighting and dance.

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November 21, 2022 9:08 am
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The Kings got like 12 more FTs than Detroit…not blaming the refs in this one.

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November 21, 2022 10:25 am
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I’m with you. The officiating was lousy, but it was not slanted.

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November 21, 2022 11:18 am
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2 sides were grumbling. That’s a tough night on the officials. And the NBA is a very tough league to officiate anyway.

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November 20, 2022 6:46 pm

I believe that the Kings will be tied for 4th in the WC once the Mavs/Nugs game wraps up.

If you’re into that sort of thing.

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November 20, 2022 6:58 pm
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My bad – sole possession of 5th.

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November 20, 2022 10:08 pm
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same losses as the 4 above.

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November 20, 2022 6:58 pm
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Well, in all fairness, it has been a decade plus since looking at the standings were relevant. Really interesting year in the NBA. Some good teams might be mediocre, some teams thought to be weak are quite a bit stronger. The old guard is seeming quite old, injuries are playing a big factor, and youth and depth are making some teams really competitive. I started following the NBA in 1978, after reading a Boy’s Life (Boy Scout Magazine) article on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and the next year was the rookie years of Magic and Bird and I was hooked. I thought the early to mid 80’s were peak NBA, I think the depth of talent across the league right now is probably the most watchable and appealing since that era.

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November 20, 2022 7:32 pm
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It does seem like a transition type of year, the NBA seems to have finally found parity..it seems to initially have started the year Phx and Mil made the Finals and has accelerated this year. But really for a good decade the only teams that had a chance at the title was a team that had lebron, kd, leonard or curry on it (aside from the Spurs who won in 2014). The NBA lost me during those years, especially when KD went to GS. As a result, I’m just a passive fan now. But it is good to see a season like this where you you can’t say for certain which teams will be in the conference finals, maybe even the Kangz 🙂

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But really for a good decade the only teams that had a chance at the title was a team that had lebron, kd, leonard or curry on it (aside from the Spurs who won in 2014).

You do know that Kawhi Leonard was on that 2014 Spurs team right?

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November 20, 2022 9:03 pm
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He must have meant Meyers Leonard

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November 21, 2022 11:18 am
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My bad.

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November 20, 2022 6:52 pm

Interesting game, certainly. It is important that this team win a game when things are going wrong, like a poor shooting team getting hot, inconsistent calls, and defensive breakdowns. Games like this make me think this team is for real. They did not fold, the crowd did their job, and Sabonis and Fox did the work that leaders and all-stars do.

This team is putting up these offensive numbers and they are not even used to playing with each other yet.

45 wins was my hope for them this year, it seems like that should be be the expectation now, and the hope should be more. I am not sure they have even played well yet, their ceiling might be quite a bit higher.

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November 20, 2022 7:08 pm

The execution late in games has been incredible.

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November 20, 2022 7:21 pm

Missed the game. Watching highlights. Go Kings!
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November 20, 2022 8:54 pm
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I am beyond thoroughly impressed with how Fox has done the work and found his potential.

He’s one of the better players in the NBA playing like this. I wasn’t sure Fox would ever turn the corner but he’s legit. Focused. Professional.

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November 20, 2022 11:38 pm
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He looks like a top 15 player, and a top 3 PG behind only Luka and Steph. And even then he’s looking better on defense than either of them. His ball IQ and mastery of the game has really been on display, especially in late game situations.

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November 21, 2022 6:48 pm
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Fox gave Ivey the business. He shook Ivey so hard he left the screen.

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November 20, 2022 7:22 pm

If the officiating doesn’t get better, anyone wanna storm the NBA headquarters on January 6th?

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November 21, 2022 7:43 am
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I think Marc Davis was wearing a Piston jersey under his shirt…

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November 21, 2022 9:14 am
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As stated above, the Kings had like 12 more FTs than the Pistons. It seemed fair to me, maybe leaning in the Kings favor, to be honest. Monk’s 2nd T was completely legit, he needs to be smarter when he already has 1 T.

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Looking at total free throws as an indicator of referee fairness doesn’t really work though. Maybe one team attacked the basket more. Maybe both teams attacked the basket the same amount but one team really was more physical and actually did foul more often.

In last night’s game, if nothing else the eye test tells me that Sabonis got whacked with no call a lot more often than the opposing centers did.

Regardless, whether the calls were balanced or not it’s good to see that this Kings team is fighting through the bad calls instead of giving up.

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November 20, 2022 7:26 pm

This offense is ridiculous. Shot 34% from three and still scored 137 lol. Such a fun time to be a fan.

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November 20, 2022 9:45 pm
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But the opposition shot over 50% from three. Not gonna win like that on most nights.

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November 20, 2022 11:14 pm
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I’ve been harping on this all year but… once again the Pistons were hitting absolutely everything, including some ridiculous shots. The Bogdanovic 3 falling out bounds, the Corey Joseph 30 footer with a hand in his face, Kevin Knox hitting anything. The Kings are actually giving up very few open threes but teams are just making an insane number of contested threes against them. That almost always evens out but it really hasn’t for the Kings yet.

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November 21, 2022 7:20 am

Other teams will shoot like that some nights. What impresses me is we still won. If you aren’t making your threes then do what Fox, Barnes and sometimes Huerter and Monk then attack the rim and shoot free throws.

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November 21, 2022 9:16 am

We have bailed the Kings out for years saying “wow, teams shoot out of their minds against only the Kings for some reason!” Nope- the Kings defense was bad tonight, that’s why NBA players make lots of 3’s.

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November 21, 2022 11:23 am

I really wanna see where the Kings are at in another 5 games. I think a 20 game sample size is fair enough to draw conclusions.

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November 21, 2022 8:18 pm
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Then five games after that…..five games after that….when does the limitless do overs for your predictions end?

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November 21, 2022 7:16 am
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And most nights the Pistons won’t shoot 50%.

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November 20, 2022 7:27 pm

A win is a win is a win, but man do the Kings need some defensive help on the interior. Too many layups and offensive rebounds for the Pistons. Metu is not the answer. He got burned more times than I could count tonight.

Monte may need one more minor move to help with that issue, or Brown is going to have to go back to Holmes, Len, or maybe even Queta.

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November 20, 2022 7:35 pm
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We absolutely need an interior defender is we’re going to make some late season noise. It will be interesting to see if Monte can get that done.

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November 20, 2022 7:49 pm
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Who do you want Adam? I ask because I’m not sure what’s out there that I want that’s actually available.

I think Holmes is tradeable, personally, if only because his contract is manageable for a starter level player.

I’ll be interested to see how McNair goes about fixing the interior defense issue. Because whie it is an issue, it’s also true the Kings have the 7th best Net Rtg in the NBA atm.

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November 20, 2022 8:00 pm
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Sure their Net Rtg is 7th best, but their Def Rtg is 4th worst in the league. There is obvious room to improve there.

Who do I want? I could name a number of players but I don’t know how they are attainable. Who knows, maybe the answer is elsewhere on the roster in some combination we haven’t seen yet.

ll I do know is the Metu at backup 5 isn’t going to work, as evidenced by him giving up layups and offensive rebounds to the team with the worst Net Rtg in the league.

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November 20, 2022 10:11 pm
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Wanting a better roster to win games is simply unacceptable.

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Defense is 4th worst in the league, but offense is currently the highest scoring in almost 40 years. I don’t think a rim protecting 5 is the answer because that would force Sabonis to guard 4s, which would be a disaster. We’d need a long-limbed 4 who would fit in this offense. Maybe Jonathan Issac?

For the most part, I think this is the team we’re rolling with and Mike Brown has to find a scheme that gets the most out of it.

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November 21, 2022 7:33 am
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In the last 2 out of 3 games Barnes grabbed 9 rebounds.

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November 21, 2022 1:09 am
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But it is working. I mean, scoreboard. It is working.

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November 21, 2022 7:39 am

It’s working now, but the Kings are producing damn near unsustainable offensive numbers. Do you really expect Huerter to shoot 50% from three all year long?

I’m not saying there is anything wrong with the offense, because it is clearly working. I’m just saying there is definitely room to improve on the defensive end. improving the later doesn’t mean sacrificing the former.

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November 21, 2022 8:56 am
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The need for defensive improvement was Mike Brown’s post-game emphasis too.

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November 21, 2022 11:36 am
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Of course it was. Why would Mike Brown be dancing on the podium because the Kings beat one of the worst teams in the league without 3 of its best players on offense?

The guy wants to win, and win alot of games. He’d like to win a championship if possible. You don’t do that by accepting poorly played games against bad teams as somethimg you’ll love with. I can accept ladt night as a fan, but were I within those walls I’d be singing a different tune.

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November 21, 2022 10:29 am
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The Kings lead the league in the percentage of opponent 3 point shots marked as “Tight” and “Very Tight” coverage, the problem is that the opponents are making an incredibly annoying amount of those shots (71.4% against “Very Tight” coverage!)

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/opponent-shots-closest-defender?CloseDefDistRange=0-2+Feet+-+Very+Tight

They also lead the league in “Tight” coverage against 2P shots (and are respectable in the “Very Tight” category), where again, opponents are making a statistically improbable 59.3% of their shots.

So yeah, the Kings offense is probably going to regress a little bit due to mean reversion but the defense should also improve for more or less the same reasons. And if they can keep up the defensive rebounding (also best in the league, which is just wild), those extra missed shots should help generate extra transition possessions.

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November 20, 2022 10:09 pm
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How does being in the bottom ten defensively translate into playoff success?

It doesn’t.

When you copy and paste statistics but don’t understand them maybe?????

This team is entertaining and improved. That will only mask shit defense for so long. The progress is there.

How far can this roster go defensively?

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November 20, 2022 10:12 pm
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Who do you want?

Who do you think Holmes gets in return?

Curious.

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November 21, 2022 7:26 am
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I really would like to give Holmes a chance to play more. We have to remember what he did not to long ago. His playing and how he played was infectious. If you give him a chance it can’t be for 3 or 4 minutes but time to get into the game. I know he can do it.

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November 21, 2022 7:28 am
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PS Brown stayed with Barnes and look what he is doing now.

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November 21, 2022 9:29 am
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Metu was getting destroyed defensively tonight.

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November 21, 2022 12:17 pm
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Well stated–exactly my thoughts. But it also starts on being smarter about defending pick and rolls 40 feet from the basket and allowing dribble drives into the lane. Alot of what I observed is lack of quick foot movement to cut off the driver and/or the angle. Let teams shoot difficult 3’s–they will miss most of them–and focus on being positioned for long offensive rebounds.

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November 20, 2022 7:29 pm

Noticed that TD played 3 minutes tonight. Was he hurt, ineffective, or just played the starters heavy minutes instead?

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November 20, 2022 7:38 pm
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I think Brown didn’t like the matchup for whatever reason. I thought it was interesting he only played 3 minutes as well.

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November 20, 2022 7:44 pm
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It was a pretty tight rotation tonight. All the starters played around 4-5 minutes more than their averages.

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November 20, 2022 10:11 pm
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me too. ( Not Metu)

but he did hit a timely 3.

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November 20, 2022 10:13 pm
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I think it was a close game and Brown was riding his starters.

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November 21, 2022 7:37 am
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Played 3 minutes and hit a big 3 at the buzzer.That should have started him as he is a streak shooter.

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November 20, 2022 7:32 pm

The last two games have been pretty sloppy. However, we’ve won them both. In previous seasons these would have absolutely been two losses, but clawing out a win in bad games is something good teams do.

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November 20, 2022 7:42 pm
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I recall the Kayte and Mark mentioning the Kings may be relying on simply outscoring their opponents rather than stopping them. That will be you some wins when you have the firepower the Kings have, but it’s not enough to make noise in the post season.

Giving up 129 points to a team that averages 108 ain’t gonna cut it.

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November 20, 2022 7:54 pm
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Let me get this straight. We’re worried about how the Kings are going to fare in the post-season in late November?

Huh. That’s a feeling I hadn’t concerned myself for the better part of 2 decades. Good to know.

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November 20, 2022 11:21 pm
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I suppose it depends how good you expect the Kings to be this season. My expectation has been somewhere in the 42 win neighborhood and a play-in birth with the possibility to make the playoffs. I might adjust that up closer to 45 wins given what we’ve seen lately. If I thought we were competing for a title this year I would be really concerned about how to solve the defense but I’m actually ok with sitting back and seeing what happens for a little bit at this point.

I think a backup big who can actually defend the rim could be had pretty cheap and they need some more big wing depth but everyone else is young enough I’m content to let them try to score 150 a game for the time being and hope the defense comes along.

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November 21, 2022 9:18 am

Alex Len isn’t the answer to the long-term problem, but I thought he could’ve eaten some minutes and saved some wear-and-tear on Sabonis when SAS and Detroit were playing Poetl and Duren, repsectively. Neither of those guys has any game outside of six feet, and Len is big and strong enough to make other centers uncomfortable.

But the team is winning, so second-guessing is pretty hollow. As to a fix, I’m not sure who might be available for a price that won’t mess with the chemistry, so I’m hoping that Queta is logging a lot of minutes and becoming an NBA player in Stockton. There is a non-zero probability that he could be a starter one day.

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This team is finally at or above average.

How many at or above average teams want Queta?

Hopefully this team has moved beyond borderline NBA players to play a role on the roster.

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November 21, 2022 7:00 pm

This is a fair point. I am not eager to see Queta minutes outside of garbage time.

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November 21, 2022 7:41 pm
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Hope Queta does something somewhere but this team and fan base has to move past the long shot story. This franchise has lived off of the “hope and dreams” player because they have had nothing else to sell.

Giles
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Not calling Bagley a failure
The fat Greek guy they drafted

Anything or anyone other than legitimate NBA basketball and talent.

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November 21, 2022 11:42 am

If I thought we were competing for a title this year I would be really concerned about how to solve the defense but I’m actually ok with sitting back and seeing what happens for a little bit at this point.

Well put FKC.

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November 21, 2022 1:14 am
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But the kings average 120 and put up 137 and it did cut it. I think their defensive rating is reflective of pace, not effort.

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November 21, 2022 1:19 am

Defensive Rating is already pace-adjusted. It is based on scoring per possession, not raw scoring.

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November 21, 2022 11:07 am
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They have a few months to get a real defensive game sorted out.

Outscoring your opponent is hard to do when playing opponents that can hold a team below 100 and also put up 120.

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November 21, 2022 1:14 pm

They better figure it out before a few months. They right now have players who can play pretty good defense. I believe Brown is working them real hard. They have to buy in. Offense wins games. Defense wins playoffs.

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I think Brown has had to get to the pure basics of defense. Like fifth grade level. At least he is going there and teaching it. That is my worry though.

How fast can he get this team to average NBA defense capabilities?

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November 20, 2022 7:36 pm

This was a redemption game for a handful of Pistons. Easy for them to get up for. Ivey wanted to show he should have been 4th. Bagley, Burks, and CoJo wanted to show they were mismanaged. They all played well. It was a trap game for the Kings. I love that when it mattered they turned it on, defensively and offensively, and squeezed out the victory. LIGHT THE MOTHERF#@&#ING BEAM!

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November 20, 2022 7:40 pm

The glory days are back!

Fox is playing at a hall of fame level!

Sabonis continues to dominate inside!

Huerter is a literal heater! SO CLUTCH!

G1C is Arco 3.0!

The refs still suck! We shall overcome!

The defense locks down in the 4th!

Mike Brown is a guru!

Nothing left to do but LIGHT THE BEAM!

Moving on to Memphis for 7 in a row!

JUST KEEP STREAKING!!!!!

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Even if you aren’t the real JLV, keep doing what you’re doing JLV 2.0. 🙂

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November 20, 2022 8:02 pm

Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet, but HB was incredible tonight. He basically kept us in the game until Fox and Huerter took over. I know there’s a lot of talk of trading him, but at this point, I’d rather extend him if we could get a good deal.

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November 20, 2022 8:05 pm
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He’s quietly returned to form and has arguably been the 3rd best player on the team over the 6 game winning streak.

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November 20, 2022 11:23 pm
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Probably a good thing he wasn’t traded for Hayward, Crowder or Duncan Robinson over the past 2 weeks…”heard” Barnes had no trade value though.

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November 21, 2022 11:43 am
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I thought we were supposed to be trading him. Or was I supposed to ALL CAPS that?

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THEN TRADE THE GUY!

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November 20, 2022 8:28 pm

Light The Beam!

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November 20, 2022 10:16 pm

Barnes is simply doing the little things that keep the team going in the right direction. With Barnes and Sabonis on the floor together the BBIQ of this team is light years ahead of what it has been for over a decade.

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November 20, 2022 10:40 pm

Agreed. Barnes seems to have adjusted his game again, which he has had to do often in his career. He was a very specific role player to start his career for Golden State, then was miscast as a primary scorer on mediocre Maverick team. He became much more efficient with Sacramento, eliminating the long 2’s in favor of drives and shots behind the arc. Now he seems to be focusing on rebounding, and taking the ball to the rim to draw fouls. It takes a great amount of basketball acumen to continually evolve like he has. In addition, he seems to have the attention and admiration of the young Kings. I know the worry is that he is an asset that leaves at the end of the year for nothing, and he might get an over sized contract offer as he is the only legit wing hitting the FA market, but I think the Kings have to weigh his ability to carve a productive role while still letting the stars of the team cook, and his locker room influence, before thinking of what he might bring back in a trade at the deadline.

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I think you try to resign him now on reasonable terms for 2-3 years (suggestions elsewhere on TKH) and if no agreement move him at the deadline.

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November 21, 2022 8:18 am
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The fact that Bojan Bogdanovic, who really is just a one way player, just inked a 2 year $40M extension, it has me worried that if the Kings wait until the offseason they may lose Barnes for nothing. Someone will pay him.

I feel he needs to be extended now, or moved by the deadline. It could be crushing to the locker room if he is a key cog to a solid run this season and is gone for nothing this summer. The Kings won’t be able to replace him in free agency.

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November 21, 2022 8:58 am
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Extend him.

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November 23, 2022 8:50 am
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EXTEND HIM!
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(Am I doing this right?)

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November 21, 2022 11:02 am
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I think he is worth more than most realize. When he goes simply finding an average replacement is going to be difficult.

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November 21, 2022 11:45 am

weren’t you one of the 4 people trolling “TRADE HIM” 3 weeks ago?

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November 21, 2022 1:20 pm
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In defense of ABB that was 3 weeks ago and then I wanted to trade him too. Things change and for the Kings for the better. Maybe in 3 weeks I might change my mind but I don’t think so. He is playing great and had as much as anyone in winning last nights game.

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November 21, 2022 7:49 pm
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I wanted to trade Fox for the last four years. Now only a “maybe” trade.

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November 21, 2022 7:47 pm
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No. I think Barnes stays no matter what.

I was simply making fun of Jack. Jack was simply trying to point out that all the people complaining about players don’t think they should be traded either.

Jack is a good dude and we have fun here.

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November 21, 2022 7:46 am

It’s a very good sign that the Kings were able win even though they didn’t play their best and it was a classic trap game. In previous years, they lose that game 100% of the time. Also a good sign the Pistons played their ‘A’ game the Kings did not and still won.

I will take an ugly win over an encouraging loss, 24/7/365.

They need a long, athletic defender/rebounder type. That seems to be their biggest weakness at the moment.

If they are going to shelve Holmes why not give Queta a chance. I think he offers some things nobody else on the roster does. Of course with the way the refs are treating the Kings he will foul out in about 7 minutes.

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November 21, 2022 8:12 am
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I think it should be noted that yes, the Pistons brought their “A’ of who they played, but they were also missing 3 starters in Cade, Stewart and Bey. Had those 3 been playing, this could have been a very different type of thread today. Still, a win is a win.

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November 21, 2022 8:50 am
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Yes, agreed. That is a big part of the trap game equation though.

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November 21, 2022 1:24 pm
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The way the reserves were shooting threes last night maybe playing those 3 starters we might have won by more. Maybe.Yes I’ll take a win anytime.

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November 21, 2022 1:26 pm
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PS Adam don’t you think the Kings still play to their competition. Hard to change.

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November 21, 2022 7:51 pm
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I think that is a habit or culture that they can was if all back into. Almost did it last night.

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November 21, 2022 8:08 pm

……easily fall back into.

Maybe I should try copying and pasting everything I post to avoid the typos.

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November 21, 2022 8:29 am

Like they say on The Solid Verbal podcast, “Win your clunkers.”

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November 21, 2022 9:37 am

Thread jack: Can someone talk to Kayte about coming to work when sick? Poor Mark Jones has to sit right next to her as she is clearly sick. This is his least important job…it would be a real problem if he has to miss national NBA games or ESPN college football b/c he gets sick on his side hustle.

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November 21, 2022 11:01 am
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Better with only Kayte anyways. Her partners drag her down.

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November 21, 2022 11:23 am

Just about every player in the NBA would be, by far, the best shooter in your local rec. league. On a given night, a lot of NBA players can get hot shooting. The Kings’ defense was off on Sunday, but the Pistons also shot well. Lots of tightly defended threes went in. Last year’s Kings got a lot of their 30 wins on hot shooting nights. It’s a tribute to this year’s Kings that, despite the Pistons being on fire offensively, the Kings still won the game. Of course, they’re going to need more consistent defense to beat teams that are better than the Pistons.

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November 21, 2022 12:09 pm

While the ability to gather themselves, make some big shots, and get at least a few stops down the stretch without turnovers is a big improvement. Kings defense is still porous, especially stopping dribble drives. When we see wins with opponents held to <100 points, we’ll know this is actually a winning team.

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November 21, 2022 12:11 pm

Sabonis did his best Rocky impersonation in honor of TNT’s Rocky/Creed marathon yesterday, good lordt. Trial by fire, I guess but its good we got the W despite it all. Banking some respect for the playoff run, hopefully. Nice job Kings.

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November 21, 2022 1:07 pm
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Respect to Sabonis: The dude goes out every night knowing he’s is going to get f’d up, and does it with a smile.

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November 21, 2022 1:36 pm
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The refs have no respect for Sabonis and also Fox for that matter. I wonder if some of the refs really understand and see the game as it should be called? Some of them are just waiting to throw a techical T. Some also think they know it ALL and wouln’t listen if you used a horn. In defense some do. Keep the ones that respect the players and fire the rest.

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November 21, 2022 2:52 pm
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I really think its different for big men. If there was a foul for every time a C gets hit or whacked…the game would never end.

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November 21, 2022 12:53 pm

New City edition units are still undefeated!

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