Zach Lowe and Adrian Wojnarowksi conducted their annual predraft show on ESPN over the weekend, discussing all manner of draft and trades rumors. With the draft on Thursday, the rumor mill is heating up quickly. Lowe and Woj spent a few minutes discussing the Sacramento Kings:
(Video is cued to the start of their Kings discussion)
Woj says that it seems likely Marvin Bagley will be moved, specifically saying “I think there’s probably a new home for him on the horizon”, and later adding “I think there’s interest in him”.
Woj also noted that there is a lot of interest around Harrison Barnes, but added that he would be surprised if Barnes left. Woj felt it more likely that Buddy Hield or Bagley would be moved before Barnes.
As for the Kings draft pick, Woj reiterated what we’ve been hearing for a while now, that the pick is available in trade talks. For teams wanting to move up in the draft, Woj said “the entry points are 9 and 10”.
There’s obviously a lot of uncertain, but we know for sure that the Kings are looking to be very active. It could be a very interesting week.
Hmmm. Barnes is making 20 and 18 mill the next 2 years. I would think they could get something really good for him if they traded him to a contender? Although for those numbers, I would probably want to keep him. Wonder what kind of offers they’re getting.
He’s an asset for sure. But considering the Kings brass is looking to make a playoff push, I’m not sure how available he actually is. Which means any Barnes’ deal should net an excellent return.
Warriors really want to improve for one last title run and Barnes makes a lot of sense for their roster. Barnes and Bagley for Wiggins and the #7 works for me.
Yeah I’ve been throwing Barnes to W’s out for a while, it makes too much sense.
I’d take Wiggins’ contract on for #7.
Having 7 and 9 would open up the potential to move up or to use the two picks to trade for a vet. I’d prefer retaining the picks and bpa at 7 and 9.
I think for 7 is a bit rich. Barnes is good but they have made Wiggins adequate on the court from Kerr’s POV. Of course he’s on an appreciating albatross but its also a year from being an expiring. A timeline comparable to Barnes team control.
Sure they are present focused and its an upgrade, but not so much greater I would argue for them to give up a top 10 lottery pick. We also are needing to send a bit more to make the money work. Fine on our end, but possibly changes the rationale for GSW if space is in part the motive.
For 14 I think there is a discussion. And in my estimation I would still possibly do it. But generally I think GSW are not as panicked to move Wiggins as much as many suggests despite his contract being the best avenue to facilitate a deal. Maybe they should be but I wouldn’t be surprised If they hold tight.
What about Barnes and #9 for Wiggins, #7, and #14?
Swap Buddy for Bagley in this deal, add Kevon Looney for cap purposes, and I’m all in.
Is the #7 pick worth that much this draft?
Peaches, is that you?
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How about a decent return rather an excellent return?
of Course there is a lot of interest in Barnes.
There was sane interest at trade deadline, no doubt, despite some thinking/claiming the Kings couldn’t get much for Barnes as a reason he wasn’t traded.
Bullshit. No one was traded because Vivek is an idiot and wanted to make a run at almost making the play in.
Guess Vivek roams this site or people who buy his bullshit. Downvote reality
Warriors fan?
Kai Jones had dinner with the team following his workout, per Jason Anderson. Isn’t that interesting? I take that to mean there was serious interest.
I heard after Moses Moody had his workout, they just gave him directions to the nearest McDonalds and $0.50 off Big Mac coupon.
Woj doesn’t know anything because the Kings FO doesn’t leak. It is not “probable” Bagley will be moved, it is definitive, it is only a matter of when. My educated guess is this week.
Agents leak and so do other front offices.
Fair point but you are still talking about an indirect source through their filter
Yeah it didn’t seem like woj had any definitive information on the Kings, just seemed like the conjecture that’s been on going for a year with the same three names.
Woj has broken several pieces of Kings news since McNair became GM. McNair was a guest on Woj’s podcast. I think there’s a relationship there. Even if McNair isn’t leaking specifics, I believe Woj is going to have a decent read on the situation compared to most.
Yeah, well i have it on authority that Woj is the one downvoting everyone here on TKH.
Carl I’ve seen you posting since 2008. Are you sure you’re not an agent as well as a groundsman?
I’ll come back to you in a couple years when Moses is widely regarded as a very good 3&D wing.
The Three B’s should all be gone this off season and not for a crappy return. In some form or fashion they all hold some value.
Thursday is going to be fun!
Agree.
Include Bibek Ranadibe.
Bapsoluteky. Barina can go too. And Buke
And Bogi. Oh wait…
If the team wants an actual talent upgrade, they’re going to have to deal Barnes and some combination of picks over the next three seasons, or be willing to put Haliburton or Fox into a deal.
Maybe you get some salary relief, a minor talent or better fit for Bagley/Hield, but you’re not going to get a difference maker.
This is a totally fair point. I am for moving Barnes, Hield and Bagley, but the idea that trades constituted around them being the main asset, generating a better present roster for the Kings is unlikely. The deals possibly with Bagley an exception are going to be widely compromised on future assets or unproven rookie scale players along with bad money. A kind of return that is still wiser IMO to pursue. But if this team his making a playoff push they aren’t going to close that gap via trade without picks on the table.
Just broadly, this team is not going to get better next year with them in different jerseys. I don’t think thats likely with them rostered either, but the point remains. It just indicates what we know, this is a disguised rebuilding project. In uprising deals better admitting that fact. As our most important players timeline, record, and possible returns in trades all suggests as much.
So you like my Hield for Adams + NAW, eh?
So, if I’m understanding this correctly, a couple of guys whose business it is to know what’s going on in the NBA have suggested that the two Kings’ players who have been repeatedly referred to as unwanted, useless, and unmovable, might be sought after by other teams?
Obviously, Woj & Lowe are idiots.
You could tell they had no intel on the Kings and were just talking out their backside like Bill Simmons. These NBA talking heads are good at droning on without saying anything of substance.
Used to love Lowe’s writings, but once ESPN put his content behind a pay wall, I stopped following any of his content.
Monte seems all-in on wiping away the Vlade stink in one fell swoop
The odious turd left by Vlade will take two decades to wipe away. That’s the effect of passing on a generational talent like Luka for a generational douche bag like bagley.
I don’t think the guy is a dbag. Just not very mature and not a very good NBA player at this point.
DeMarcus Cousins is a generational douche bag.
I rec’d the two decades to wipe away the stink part passing on Luka. I don’t think Bagley is d-bag, just not a good NBA player.
Nothing would make me happier.
Super low expectations next 1-2 years, at least TKH will be fun with dramas and funny memes. Next 3-4 years could be better, less Vlade stink and we’ll see if Vivek implements new buggy code to NBA 3.0.
Except for the coach РVlad̩s buddy Рstaying?
I’m not convinced yet that this team will be significantly better or different once the season starts. Let’s wait and see.
I wonder if Luke staying is more of a money saving measure for Vivek since they don’t want to be paying out Luke and a new incoming coach’s salary. How many times have the Kings been having to pay out 2 coaches salaries during a season since Vivek took over?
I don’t care. It is a dumb move, costing them more money in the long run, and Monte accepted it.
He is not wiping away any Vlade stink, at the moment. He’s continuing to build on crooked foundations.
What would it take for you to consider Luke Qalton a good coach?
I don’t know who Luke Qalton is, but dammit let’s see what he can do.
Sounds like he’s got the Qanon endorsement already. He’s certainly a hero in the chin Covid community.
Luke Walton ^
Well for me I believe it would to be more stoned in the 60’s than I ever was (and that is saying something bro) and even then it would likely a one night deal.
I hope so. McNair, it seems is trying to change the roster but the owner doesn’t seem to want it.
After all, Walton id still be coaching.
This is my biggest concern: conflicting visions in the FO, with Vivek being the final vote.
Yes. As of now it seems the little chap with a huge ego won’t back off.
As he should be.
Brandon Ingram trade talk? anyone seen that rumor?
Where did you see this? I doubt we could make it happen but I would be over the moon to have him.
I’ve seen rumors of the Heat chatting up the Pelicans about him. I just wonder where that leaves the Pelicans. With the rumors of not matching Ball, and both Adam and Bledsoe being salary dump fodder, then they’re left with just Zion.
On a related note, I wouldn’t mind picking up NAW and/or Naji Marshall on the cheapish. As I’ve mentioned before, a deal based on Hield for Adams+ makes a decent amount of sense.
I’ve read trade chatter that NOP is looking for the CP3 effect. So that would mean Lowry, Conley or perhaps CP3 himself.
I actually Buddy would be a good fit with Zion considering all the attention Zion procures, would be a lot of open threes for Buddy.
Ingram is interesting, would just want to know the price tag. I don’t think the Kings could get him without Fox or Hali going out.
yeah I wouldn’t want to move either. imagining a core of fox, Hali, and Ingram is fun to dream about though. I saw a random Twitter rumor about the Kings being in talks over Ingram today but it wasn’t a super notable reporter. can’t even remember his name.
Ingram is just 23. I’d send Haliburton, Hield and two first rounders to get him
One more downvote for the road.
Why not include Fox while you’re at it?
I wonder how much money Puma paid Brandon Williams to convince Vlade to select Mavin Bagley. That pick was such trash that it feels like some nonense like that was behind it.
I am all ready to send that bum somewhere else.
I’m all about punting Vlades stink away from this team.
The sad part of this is I don’t think Vlade needed a lot of convincing from Brandon Williams that Bagley was the pick at #2. I think Bagley was Vlade’s guy from early on. Had one impressive in person workout and the rest is infamy….errr…history.
Brandon Williams is an idiot-stubborn too. Heard him defending the Bags pick a few months ago and saying how Bags will be great
Wether it’s Williams or Dumars, Vivek always has some yes men doing his biding.
I think Vlade clearly wasn’t a good evaluator of talent. Isn’t familiar or very good with advanced metrics or scouting. So he did what I think anyone with a successful NBA career and ego would do. Tried to fake it til he made it by taking his clones or what he thought would be his clones. Was an issue because they were all busts as well as being from another era.
Once you look at it thru the prism of Vivek honestly thought at the time of purchase he was smart enough to do it all. Owner/GM/game theory/Savior. So he hired names constantly. Still does with joe dumars.
It’s never going to be as easy as just the Bagley footnote when they do the complete history of the Sacramento kings. The real day of infamy would be the best and worst day for a lot of us. 5/31/13.
Bags pick was one of worst ever, but Vivek’s stink is still here no matter who is gone.
Amd can’t wait to finally get rid of Bags so I don’t have to hear people and Kings trying to convince me that he will be good. He won’t. Knew that since summer league.
Attributing a monetary component to VD’s decision lets him off the hook. The choice was made out of incredible stupidity and pure ego, nothing more, nothing less.
Hanlon’s Razor
Yeah, Fleetwood Mack!
Between what could be a very active pre-draft, draft, and open of FA AND the MLB trade deadline where the Giants inexplicably have the best record in baseball, this could be one hell of a week to try to get work down.
To pick the direction this team will take, one only need to look what best helps the bottom line in the revenue column, not the win/loss column.
Anyone heard anything about KAT rumors? I think he’s on the block.
I have to imagine they want to at least give the DLo, Edwards, KAT trio a shot.
How do you think that trio workouts?
No idea. Both guards are score first-types so they aren’t an ideal fit. But there also aren’t any theoretical fatal flaws. They could really use high level versatile defenders at 3 & 4, but with so much potential scoring from the other position, that becomes easier to find.
Russell is absolutely a first-rate facilitator as a point guard. He’s been relied upon more as a scorer since coming into the league, but if Minnesota works with him to focus and work more on point guard functions, I don’t have any doubt that he can average better than a 2.5:1 asst/TO ratio.
With his ability to score, it just further opens up his opportunities to orchestrate and distribute for his teammates. He’s got incredible court vision, and if he’s able to limit forced passes, he could make things much easier for KAT & Ant.
I think D-Lo is kind of at his ceiling, which is top-15 or 20 at his position.
The real question is on Edwards’ ceiling, IMO. There were some flashes (I know, I know) at the end of the season that make me wonder if there’s a truly high-end talent there.
KAT’s great. So if Edwards takes a leap, I think that trio is pretty damn good.
I would be very surprised as they looked pretty good with Chris Finch. they were 120 per 100 possessions with all their key players healthy which would have been a league leading number. And the adapted high post facilitating KAT looked convincing. Defense is a huge concern but I expect them to pretty decent. They are likely meeting a judgment moment with Towns, but they have pretty good rationale to at least see out the first half of the season.
It’s almost like we could’ve moved Buddy, Marvin, Holmes and Barnes before the deadline last year, gotten assets and been a few slots higher in the draft.
weird.
ugh.
Play-in baby!!! woooo!!!!
Andy Sims, asking for reciepts in 3…2…1…
It would be silly to ask for receipts for such a ridiculous premise. The only player of those four that held real value to other teams was Barnes, and there was no incentive to deal him for the sake of it.
I should think that from reading TKH that anyone would understand that Hield and Bagley are absolutely useless in the eyes of basketball experts. And shockingly, no one was willing to trade anything of value to get Holmes for two months, and the prospect of needing to triple or quadruple his pay come summer.
It’s almost like oversimplifying the situation to suit your own agenda is of no use whatsoever.
From the video:
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Indeed.
I’d have thought my use of irony in regard to the supposed complete uselessness of Bagley & Hield would have been apparent, but the written word isn’t always adequate to the task.
Curious though: Which part did you find to be an oversimplification?
Barnes, Buddy and Bagley all have at least some value. If Buddy and Bagley had zero value, they would have trade for whatever Monte could get at the deadline. They weren’t trade either because Vivek wouldn’t allow it or the offers were not worth it.
Anyways, the next few weeks should answer whether Buddy and Bagley have any value.
Buddy has situation value. A contender who thinks they are a shooter short and does not care about the cap ramifications.
Simply put, it’s common knowledge Barnes carried value.
While Marvin’s value was limited (he wasn’t worth Saddiq Bey for example) there are teams interested, the Kings simply have tried to avoid selling low.
Holmes as a rental wouldn’t have had tremendous value, but again, if he’s not in the long term plans he absolutely could have been moved for *something* even as simply an expiring.
Hield has an elite skill that is in great demand. His salary reduces his net value but again, he IS tradable.
The other elephant in the room is the foolish chase for the play-in, keeping all these resources, potentially also cost us a few draft slots.
it’s short term vs long term thinking. It became very clear midway through last season it wasn’t a team we could ride into the playoffs and have a punchers chance with, so a strategic withdrawal would have made a ton of sense to reload for 21-22.
THERE’S YOUR RECEIPT!
Exactly.
Oh, but the Kings couldn’t get value at trade deadline And they were poised for a title run. And they are 1 player away.
Good thing they kept the coach
Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
When’s our celebration?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1419492599329656832
Any and all Andrew WK videos will get a thumbs up from me.
Let’s play “Who wants to make a
baddeal?!”…with your host,
MontyMonteHallMcNair!I stopped listening to Simmons like last year. Gave him another chance today with his War Room pod. Holy crap, what a horrible choice.
“What if the Knicks called and offered Quickly, 17 and 21 for Fox?”
Holy hell.
I think he’s a very entertaining podcaster. His actual basketball opinions are often laughable.
He’s eventually right … I mean the Celtics could trade for Cousins now offering 2-3 2nd Rnd picks.
I do appreciate his knowledge and respect for NBA history. I dont feel that he is particularly insightful, but he is a big fan of the game and I find that entertaining.
I listen to him for entertainment and not for actual reporting or anything like that.
But yeah that’s one helluva dumb trade for the Kings, maybe if Vlade was still around he could posit that trade
To be fair, Kevin O’Connor, Jonathan Tjarks and the other guy they had on there openly laughed at his trade proposal and told him it was not even remotely in the ball park. So at least there’s that.
Makes no sense….but please let the interest in Bagley be true!
Socks, expired G league contract, a bag of chips….take it and move on.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419756065625972747
I’m trying to figure out how the math works on this. Jonas makes just $14M while Adams makes $17 and Bledsoe makes $18M. There has to be more moving parts, right?
EDIT:
Ahhh, just realized they must have declined Winslow’s TO and freed up the space to absorb both Adams and Bledsoe. From that, I wouldn’t mind the Kings taking a cheap flyer on Winslow.
Memphis is not done. They still want to move up inside the top 10 in the draft as well.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1419769446499971074
Eric Bledsoe isn’t going to get them any higher that’s for sure.
This could morph into a 3 team deal by the time it’s all said and done because based on the money that I’m seeing here it can’t be completed until then. So theoretically Bledsoe could be back in LaLa land by the time the smoke clears for Kuzma.
No the trade seems straight up. Here’s the thing about Justise Winslow’s team option. Unlike a player option, a team can trade that player until the day of that option kicking in. So, Memphis can, as they apparently have, trade Winslow today, and New Orleans can waive Winslow tomorrow with no penalty.
Team options that are about to expire are handled differently in trades than player options.
In otherwords, since Memphis had about a 5 day window to trade Winslow as essentially an expiring contract before next season, they had to make this trade now.
EDIT: I take it back Adam. This trade can’t be done until after the moratorium is lifted in July as it’s currently constructed. There’s no possible way the Grizzlies could pull that trade off today just looking at Adams salary alone.
Just ignore this Adam. As I’m sure you, and many others, already do.
Blah Blah blah. Wake me up when we trade Buddy for KAT!
😉
These moves will surely fix this franchise.
I can only comment on what I’ve seen. Having been involved as a player and a coach for many years, here’s my take.
As I’ve said all along Jalen Green will be a better player than Cunningham and Suggs although I think all 3 will have very successful NBA careers.
Kispert will be the biggest bust. He really can’t shoot as well as advertised. He can’t create his own shot and he shoots a very low percentage when pressured. It’s one thing to make wide open college level 3’s in the West Coast Conference and quite another making NBA 3’s against NBA defenses. Lastly his defense is beyond bad, so bad he will become unplayable.
I can’t get a good read on Mobley despite seeing him play many times. His physicality definitely needs to improve. I suspect he’ll become a good NBA player in time but he will take some years to develop.
As for the Kings. They certainly are in no mood to rebuild. With that said, if the trade that involves Buddy for Kuzma and Harrell is really available which I doubt, the Kings could then afford to keep their draft pick if getting better now is the objective. That might give them the dual benefit of getting some proven commodities and still make a draft pick for the future. Absent of a similar pre draft trade, the Kings have to move their number 9 pick and perhaps next years first round pick for some proven talent. IDK but it seems Siakam and Porzinges (no sure thing) are the best targets available. I prefer Siakam so maybe this years 1 and next years first round pick plus Bagley for Siakam and away we go. I’d also look at possibly swapping picks with OKC for Roby and Maledon. Two young developing guys that should be able to provide immediate bench help. Remember, the Kings first 6 players contributed a positive net rating but prior to the trade deadline Sacramento had the worst bench in the league.
A fatal mistake besides drafting Kispert would be to overpay for Holmes on a long term deal. 3 years for 30 mil with a team option in year 3 is the absolute max they should pay. Despite his great heart and attitude, he’s still an undersized big who can’t score from the perimeter. Lastly, they need to sign Davis
Was basically okay with everything here until I got to “sign Davis.” No thanks. Find some bench filler that doesn’t have a domestic violence record, please. If there ever is a player who is worth taking on despite a documented history of morally abhorrent behavior, it sure won’t be Terence “Average At Best” Davis.
Grizzlies just became a very good basketball team.
Bledsoe
Morant
#10
JJJ
Adams
This team is gonna be fun as hell. Don’t know why it seemed Valanciunas was valued so relatively heavily in that deal.
I don’t think they are going to keep Bledsoe, but the do have 3 first round picks in next year’s draft.
Bledsoe and Adams were pretty bad last year so I’m not sure why they are going to be good on that team. That starting lineup won’t be able to hit a jump shot to save their life.
On balance, I like the concept of Buddy to the L*kers for Kuzma and Trez, but that’ll require Trez to opt in before the trade is finalized – and I doubt Trez will want to go to the team he so often pulverizes with his very presence on the court.
This one scares me, though:
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1419769446499971074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1419769446499971074%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fkingsherald.com%2Farticles%2Fnba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-marvin-bagley-harrison-barnes-buddy-hield-nba-draft%2F
I can definitely see Vivek wanting to toss the #9 at the Griz for Eric Bledsoe. Bledsoe’s got that Monta Ellis kind of stat line that Vivek’s gonna love.
I don’t see Bledsoe coming here, but I do see a Bledsoe for Kuzma trade as a possibility. Lakers need a ball handler.
BUDDY for NOLA #17. Make it happen McNair!!!
Lowry
Buddy
Ingram
Zion
Jonas
Make it happen Griffin.
Barnes is a good player on a large but decent contract and it’s known the Kings are willing to make roster moves. So yeah, teams are interested.
Bagley and the Kings share mutual animosity. So yeah, Bagley will be on the way out. This isn’t really news.
That said, I think Barnes stays and Bagley moves for cash considerations or another disgruntled and underperforming high draft pick (Mo Bamba?).
Bagley for Bamba definitely has the Skal for Swanigan vibe. It’s a trade of disappointing prospects to see if they can do anything with a change of scenery.
Hearing Woj talk about the Kings is like the equivalent of a cheerleader smiling at you in high school.
You obviously didn’t hook up with many cheerleaders in high school, but hey that’s cool. It’s an interesting comparison if you’re into male sports writers I guess. Otherwise don’t get it, good luck though.
You obviously missed lessons about similes and metaphors in high school. You don’t get it¦but good luck to you.
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I made this purple because…well…Eminem always flips a great bird.
Tier one on any big board of bird flippers¦
Agreed
Yeah that makes some kind of sense if high school still has any importance to you.
How many cheerleaders did you hook up with in high school since it still seems kind of important to you f*ck head? What a stupid comment!
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