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Marvin Bagley has been cleared to return to basketball activities

There is still no definite timetable on when he will return to game action.

The Sacramento Kings announced Thursday that Marvin Bagley has been cleared to return to basketball activities.

From the Kings:

Sacramento Kings forward Marvin Bagley III underwent further evaluation and it has been determined that the fourth metacarpal has healed.

He is cleared to return to basketball activities and a return to game action will be updated as appropriate.

This does not provide a timetable on when Bagley will return to games, but Sam Amick reports that he will likely return to action next week.

Before getting hurt, Bagley had shown flashes of potential this season. His offense in particular looked pretty good, including his interior and outside scoring. Bagley's defense had still been pretty atrocious.

Last week in media availability Luke Walton praised Bagley conditioning upon returning to the team, so it isn't entirely surprising that Bagley may be ready to play again quickly. There were some, myself included, who wondered if Bagley would play again this season. There's plenty of rumors that Bagley and the Kings may prefer to go their separate ways this summer.

I don't know if Bagley will ever find success in Sacramento, but I'll always be rooting for it to happen. With that in mind, I'm glad to see he's recovered and will have a chance to play again this year.

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April 22, 2021 9:39 am

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April 22, 2021 10:09 am

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April 22, 2021 10:13 am
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April 22, 2021 10:18 am

Well, good, glad to hear he’s been working on his conditioning and should be able to run.

These rumors about Bagley and the Kings parting ways this summer, what would that look like? It reads like some sort of buyout, which I can’t recall being done with a rookie deal, but that’s likely based in my own ignorance.

If Bagley was willing to take only half of what he’s owed for next season (Unlikely. I wouldn’t), that money will still go against the cap, won’t it? Again, I plead ignorance. If I’m owed $11 million, I’m going to be very interested in getting every dime.

If not a buyout, would this parting of ways be a trade, and what would you think would be the likely return for the Kings? Rumors are rumors, but I’d love to hear some scenarios as to how a divorce would play out.

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April 22, 2021 10:39 am
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I think the parting would be Bagley for a draft pick or young player. The receiving team basically gets to kick the tires and retain his RFA rights the following year. And given the paucity of legit free agents this summer, there will be some teams with cap space to on-board Bagley should they desire.

The question becomes, what is his market value? Late 1st rounder? 2nd rounder? A young player that has underperformed for another team?

I don’t see the Kings buying Bagley out, but I could see them move him. This is not the front office that drafted him, so he is really nothing more to them than a market commodity at this point.

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April 22, 2021 11:15 am
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That all seems sensible, thanks for spelling it out. My guess is that the most likely scenario is that he’s here another year, which gives the Kings the chance to either increase his value, or make the decision to make a qualifying offer fairly simple.

I’m beginning to think that Holmes has played his last game for the Kings. If I was his agent, I’d advise him that he’s already made his case for free agency, and that there’s nothing in it for him to run out the string for a non-playoff team. His next contract will be his only chance at a big payday, and I suspect that there will be too much money out there for him to stick around on the Early Bird. No hard feelings, either, he busted his ass while he was here, and was a joy to have around.

Very interesting stuff from Damion Jones last night, he really showed his ability to stay in front of ballhandlers, and he’s got the size and strength to not be pushed around in the post. He’s beginning to look like a viable backup center. The question is, assuming Evan Mobley won’t be available, who do you like as potential candidates to start at center next season? We don’t need a ton of offense generated there, which widens the candidate pool.

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April 22, 2021 11:32 am
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My guess is that if Bagley plays through his 4th season here, he gets an RFA offer that exceeds whatever the Kings want to pay him and they get nothing for him (Bogi 2.0). So it comes down to what they are offered for him this off-season vs. the real risk of letting him go for nothing. And there is the matter of his five figure salary for next year, which does have an ouch factor given the Kings cap constraints (unless they move Hield or Barnes and achieve cap space in the process).

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April 22, 2021 2:12 pm
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I think it’s quite possible the Kings move both Bagley and Hield this summer.

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April 22, 2021 4:59 pm
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Hypothetically, If the Kings really want to move Bagley and get out of Buddy’s deal do you take Kevin Love or Andrew Wiggins in exchange for those two. The idea being, you have a shorter commitment with either Love or Wiggins and potentially have a large expiring the end of their deals.

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April 22, 2021 5:19 pm
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I think that undersells Bagley especially, and probably Buddy, too. I’d rather have Buddy at 3 years 60 million than Wiggins at 2 years 63 million.

Bagley could get the Kings a 1st, he’s got All Star talent IMO. That could be worth a mid-late 1st to the right team (Charlotte?).

So, no, I’m not doing that deal.

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April 22, 2021 5:49 pm
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What kind of All-Star talent do you see in Bagley? I’d really like to know.

Personally, other than rim running and flashes of a corner three, I’m not seeing a whole lot, especially when it comes to the defensive end. All I’m seeing is a bouncier version of Jason Thompson but with more range.

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April 22, 2021 8:47 pm
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What has Bagley done to show any glimpse of all star talent?

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April 23, 2021 1:11 am
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Bagley does not have All-Star talent.

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April 23, 2021 10:36 am

Sure, he does. I mean, if guys like Magloire and BJ Armstrong can make the All-Star team….

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April 23, 2021 12:43 pm
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Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease

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April 23, 2021 12:50 pm
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Getting rid of Buddy somehow, someway, would be a HUGE benefit for this roster.

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April 22, 2021 11:57 am
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I like what I see in Damion Jones as a backup C. I think its great he is only 25. If I have to choose over him and Whiteside, I am choosing Jones.

Silva and Bagley could be moved if it meant bringing in a rookie big like Mobley or Kai Jones.

To me, Jones and Holmes are the only ones worth keeping right now. Metu is okay and servicable.

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April 22, 2021 12:12 pm
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Geez what exactly are you seeing in him. I think his NBA days are numbered. Bigs like him with more skills are a dime a dozen.

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April 22, 2021 2:14 pm

Damion Jones – I see a a good screen setter, pretty good lateral quickness defensively, ability to defend, IQ, decent strength and size, and knows his strengths. He definitely needs to find a way to be more servicable on offense. Maybe he can add a mid range shot.

Whiteside – Blocks shots, can set good screens, and has a big body. Whiteside’s weaknesses outweigh his strengths to me. He cant move his feet and is a liability on both ends of the court for spacing and PnR. I am honestly not sure if its IQ, laziness, or lack off attention when he loses his man in the paint.

Not trying to bash Whiteside and I love the personality he brings to the team but he just doesnt seem servicable to me. I am also not saying Jones is a starter but provides something we dont have all in 1 person: IQ, size, defensive awareness, lateral quickness.

FWIW – I am in the camp that says Holmes is too small to be our C full time.

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April 22, 2021 12:13 pm
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I’ve been liking what I’ve seen from Metu, both as small-ball five, and at PF with a bigger player backing him up. The two years he spent in the Spurs’ system seem to have made him into a pretty sound ballplayer. He’s been bringing some pretty good minutes off the bench at both ends.

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April 22, 2021 2:17 pm
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Metu has definitely came on lately. I just need more consistency out of him offensively and better rebounding moving forward. It felt like he was missing a ton of easy ones the first half of the season so these last couple of games have been interesting.

He also moves very fluid.

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April 22, 2021 6:10 pm
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Agreed. Can we send Bagley to the Spurs’ system for two years so we can get this kind of production out of him?

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April 22, 2021 1:40 pm
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who do you like as potential candidates to start at center next season?

Who do I like? Low level trade for Goga. Who’s it going to be? I’m going to go with Mason Plumlee after we trade Bagley to the Pistons for him and a future well-protected 1st.

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April 23, 2021 6:34 pm

lol at future “well-protected”

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April 22, 2021 1:31 pm
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my guess would be a 2nd rounder from a playoff team unless another lottery level squad was desperate and was willing to give us a pick in the late 30’s early 40’s for him

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April 22, 2021 7:16 pm
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This year will be our chance to finally get Luka….Garza that is. I would take him with our second round pick in a heart beat. The AP college player of the year and a sure fire three and D player.

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April 23, 2021 10:46 am
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He showed good 3 growth (whether you decide to buy into huge leap in percentage in his senior season is up to you), but the D is highly questionable. He’s certainly worthy of a 2nd round pick, but I have a hard time imagining a situation where he’s among my top choices still on the board there.

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April 22, 2021 8:45 pm
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They proved at the trade deadline that he has very little of any value in a trade scenario. Maybe they get a bag of popcorn for him?

Very difficult for a legitimate GM in the NBA to announce that they gave the Kings anything for Bagley. Thanks to ESPN his defense and his daddy are famous. He will have to go quietly in the off season as a sign and trade or as a garbage free agent after next year.

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April 23, 2021 1:13 am

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April 23, 2021 8:25 am
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I could see something worked out with Minn for Culver (so far failed high pick) and one of their young PF (whichever one they like least) Vanderbilt or McDaniels.

I’d also like to see Buddy traded to one of these teams with tons of cap space like the Knicks for Knox and their Det owned 2nd round pick

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April 22, 2021 10:19 am

He went from €œnot close to play€ to €œcleared to play€ in 2 days has got to be one of the highlights of the otherwise lowly season! I had rotator cuff repair surgery a week ago and still is 5 weeks away from recovery. Sure wish I’ve been treated by the kangz medical staff!!

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April 22, 2021 10:28 am
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I think Metu is bringing more to the game at the 4 than Bagley and that speeds recovery?

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April 22, 2021 12:14 pm
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Hey, whatever puts a negative spin on an otherwise innocuous announcement!

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April 22, 2021 10:09 pm
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You have to see the announcement in conjunction with the previous announcement about it.

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April 22, 2021 10:20 am

This should be great news for the tank!

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April 22, 2021 10:46 am
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Except…their winning percentage has been about identical with and without Marvin on the floor.

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April 22, 2021 10:59 am
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Earlier in the year there was a formidable difference at the 24 min. mark. Not sure if that has changed or if that is just a coincidence. Hard to draw conclusions when the difference is a team being bad vs. worse.

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April 22, 2021 12:14 pm
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  • Hard to draw conclusions when the difference is a team being bad vs. worse.

But of course you did.

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April 22, 2021 12:17 pm

I did no such thing, but you keep doing you, and stay classy!

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April 22, 2021 1:25 pm
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Why don’t you post your comments about Kayte on her twitter and see what she does to you. You’ll get chewed to pieces.

This is the response of a child, or a very childlike adult.

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April 22, 2021 1:28 pm
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I posted the stat, with no conclusion or opinion. So if I understand you correctly, your issue is that you feel that other members here lack the intelligence to draw their own conclusions. Interesting.

Again, you bring up Kayte Hunter when I have made no mention of her here. I don’t tweet. This site is my only form of social media, and I back my comments by using my real name. I don’t attack other members or name call while hiding behind a screen name. Your mileage may vary.

As opposed to you and Kayte, I would rather talk about the team than its fans. And on this team, I think that Fox, Haliburton and Holmes are the only players that are a net positive on the floor. That is, the net of their offensive and defensive contributions are a positive. Barnes is close to a wash. And that’s it. Marvin Bagley is not close to being a net positive or even a wash. Now, that’s just my opinion, but I’m guessing that advanced stats would back me up on that.

Your posts that focus on this team are insightful, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. In that regard, I like reading your comments on the team when I may not agree with them, as it gives me another perspective. Your posts attacking and name calling other members here are cowardly and a waste of everyone’s time.

Go Kings fans!

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April 23, 2021 5:49 pm
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Overall, these are all pretty small samples. I’ve seen some putrid basketball this season with and without Marvin Bagley on the floor.

Which is why I still have no issue with them playing big minutes down the stretch. I could live without seeing Whiteside on the floor ever again.

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April 22, 2021 12:07 pm
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Yeah at the time I agreed that was a trash Bagley BS stat. I think the recents events have proven it was a crap statistic.

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April 23, 2021 1:16 am
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They actually got red hot once Haliburton was put in the starting lineup following Pervis’s most recent injury … then Luke decided that was going too well and removed Haliburton for Harkless, and now they’re awful again.

So the real €œpercentage€ should be their record with Haliburton in the starting lineup, because that’s the key to their future.

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April 22, 2021 3:04 pm
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This is good

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April 22, 2021 10:24 am

Right after a win …
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April 22, 2021 10:54 am

As poignantly asked by British grindcore legends Napalm Death, “you suffer, but why?”

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April 22, 2021 11:34 am

Ideally give him 35 MPG to put up empty numbers and increase trade value.

“But we have Whiteside” – Luke Walton.

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April 22, 2021 11:50 am

I want him to be successful, I really do. I just think that bridges have been burned with the organization and probably some teammates. Get what you can for him and cut bait. Let him be someone else’s headache and see if they can get through to him.

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April 22, 2021 12:23 pm
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The only bridge that matters is the one set ablaze by fans who will never forgive him for not being Luka Doncic. All of that shit with his father is a whole lot of nothing, and all of the other made-up “controversies” (why is he not with the team, etc.) stem from a frustrated fanbase that needs something to talk about while the team misses the playoffs for the past fifteen years.

If you want to harp on his injuries, knock yourself out (Seriously. Consider it.), but I’m not going to join in piling on a player who got injured while doing his job. The misplaced anger towards Bagley that is so clearly about VD would probably make for a fascinating psychological study.

Whether he stays or goes really doesn’t matter to me, but if he’s here, then he has to play in order to create some value. He may walk for nothing in a year, but it shouldn’t be as a result of being mothballed for ’21-’22.

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April 22, 2021 12:42 pm
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I didn’t even mention his injuries, nor did I mention not forgiving him for not being Luka (he has no control over which team drafted him) When players/coaches have to address stuff publicly that a player’s father talked about, it has an effect in the locker room. It started his rookie season and has continued since he has been her. It is a distraction that the other players should not have to be asked about while they are trying to win basketball games.

Bagley “figuring it out” will be good for the Kings, which I hope is a goal that most fans want, is for the team to be successful. I just don’t think it will happen.

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April 22, 2021 1:25 pm
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I disagree with the premise that the MBII bullshit needs to be addressed in the locker room. All of these guys have parents, as we do, have disagreements with them, and wish sometimes that they would just shut up.

Look at Lavar Ball. All of that noise he’s made didn’t turn Lonzo into a good ballplayer in LA, or stop him from being traded to a small market. Same with Lamelo, his dad didn’t want him playing in North Carolina.

If Lavar ball is a hurricane of stress for his kids and their teams, then Marvin Bagley Junior is a popcorn fart.

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April 22, 2021 1:39 pm
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it’s already been reported that Bagley, the player, would prefer a change of scenery. I don’t know why you keep pretending father and son are in disagreement on this.

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April 22, 2021 2:19 pm
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It’s too bad Bagley really wants out, I found his game intriguing this year.

Some things just aren’t meant to be.

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April 22, 2021 8:58 pm
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I hadn’t seen the actual report on this. Was it in the Athletic?

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April 23, 2021 2:53 pm
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Where’s this report? It wouldn’t surprise me seeing that it leaked we were willing to take offers on him but still haven’t seen anything as tangible as you’re saying.

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April 22, 2021 6:51 pm
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You’re either with Marvin, or against him.

if you don’t love Marvin, you’re a hater. And it must be because he’s not Luka. It has nothing to do with him being a tunnel-visioned, ball stopping, low IQ, contact avoiding,me-first type of player, because that doesn’t fit Sims’ narrative.

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April 22, 2021 10:40 pm
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Yes, yes yes.

Or that Bags doesn’t contribute to winning. D is horrific (same reason many people hate Buddy). Doesn’t fit the modern game. Etc etc etc.

Wanting Bags gone isn’t hating its simply the best thing for The Kings. Like wanting Walton gone.

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April 23, 2021 1:19 am
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I would have preferred that we drafted Luka instead of Bagley.

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April 23, 2021 10:25 am

THE JURY’S STILL OUT!

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April 23, 2021 10:42 am
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Come on Rik, the angst about Bagley at this site is way out of proportion to his actual play on the floor (or his alleged influence on the locker room).

And for all the negatives you listed (and IMO just nonchalantly spouting that stuff is the sign of a “hater”), you neglected to mention that he did improve, as did the team when he was on the floor, as his minutes increased.

I don’t think Marvin has a particularly high ceiling at this point, and it wouldn’t really bother me if they moved him or cut ties completely, but I’m also ok with a shitty team continuing to play their younger players as long as they are on the roster.

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April 23, 2021 11:13 am
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I resent the premise that everyone who is negative about Bagley is so only because he got picked instead of Luka.

You can try to ignore that there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike his style of play, lack of fundamentals, his hubris and comments (or lack thereof) in the media and cling to some improvement (you neglected to mention that the bar was so low that improvement was almost inevitable).

You may not agree with these reasons, but it is silly to dismiss them nonchalantly.

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April 23, 2021 11:25 am
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I resent the premise that everyone who is negative about Bagley is so only because he got picked instead of Luka.

Non sequitur – I didn’t mention Luka at all.

You can try to ignore that there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike his style of play, lack of fundamentals, his hubris and comments (or lack thereof) in the media

Non sequitur – I don’t necessarily disagree with most of this (although the hubris/comments stuff is pretty silly).

and cling to some improvement (you neglected to mention that the bar was so low that improvement was almost inevitable).

In my opinion, improvement in young players is usually inevitable due to getting time on the floor.

Outside of that, Bagley’s RPM right now is considerably better than Tyrese Haliburton’s. His improvement wasn’t simply a product of being previously terrible, it’s, you know, actual improvement.

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April 24, 2021 12:11 am
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Non sequitur €“ I didn’t mention Luka at all.

LOL, sure.

So when you wrote:

the angst about Bagley at this site is way out of proportion to his actual play on the floor 

that had nothing to do with resentment that Bagley was picked over Luka?
Then what is the angst about?

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April 23, 2021 2:56 pm
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Only thing you got right was the contact avoiding…everything else is hyperbolic trash.

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April 23, 2021 12:47 pm
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Personally, my frustration with Bagley has less to do with his injuries and non-Luka-ness, and more to do with his historically bad defense, his non-right-hand-ness, and boastful comments like “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet”… after a loss. But that’s just me.

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April 22, 2021 11:51 am

This explains why he’s allowed to join the team. He can now watch Basketball. Before the clearance to resume basketball activities, watching was considered a basketball activity so…

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April 22, 2021 12:10 pm

Play the guy and see what happens. I doubt his trade value is anything substantial so it seems like playing him is the prudent thing to do. I’d rather see him on the court than Mo Harkless..

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April 22, 2021 12:15 pm

No rush Marvin, we have Whiteside and Harkless, we don’t have room for anyone with youth that may potentially be part of the teams future in the rotation

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April 22, 2021 12:21 pm
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I think if Marvin wanted to be part of the team, he would have been with them the entire team, in the huddle, talking with players, listening to coaches on the sidelines, asking questions about certain plays/strategies/ideas, and just soaking up everything he could to become a better basketball player.

But the dude was just gone for weeks. A young player that has yet to make any noise in this league should be doing all they could to get better. He ain’t done shit in the NBA except be known as the guy picked instead of Luka. He thinks he has it figured out and it’s not his fault he has played poorly. Maybe he will figure it out one day, but most likely he will end up like Derrick “Coke Machine” Williams.

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April 22, 2021 12:47 pm
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Fwiw this wasn’t meant to be a pro-Bagley post as much as sarcastic criticism of Walton for not playing guys like Metu, Woodard, and Halliburton more recently

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April 22, 2021 1:19 pm
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It sounds almost like you’ve been standing next to him every step of the way!

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April 22, 2021 1:27 pm
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So, you’re saying that you didn’t watch the game last night where he was doing pretty much all of the things that you claim that he didn’t.

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April 22, 2021 2:47 pm
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And what about the previous X amount of games?

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April 23, 2021 12:53 pm
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Teacher: “You have skipped class for the last month and not turned in any work.”
Student: “But I’m here TODAY! Where’s my passing grade?”

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April 23, 2021 1:20 am
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Facts … have a thumb.

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April 23, 2021 1:30 pm

Do they have a middle finger too?

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April 23, 2021 2:38 pm
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Once the inevitable trade for a non-descript journeyman happens, followed by an eventual career overseas, Marvin Bagley III will cement himself as Derrick Williams II.

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April 22, 2021 12:28 pm
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don’t have room for anyone with youth that may potentially be part of the teams future

I still have hope he can develop quicker feet, instincts, and skills, while also transforming his body. He just needs more time on the court and support from us.

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April 23, 2021 1:22 am
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It’s been three years. How much more time does he need?

Some guys make, like, All-NBA First Team and lead their teams to the playoffs in as fast as two years, at exactly the same age, so I’ve heard.

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April 23, 2021 10:56 am

More than 2,850 floor minutes, IMO.

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April 23, 2021 3:04 pm

It’s been three years. How much more time does he need?

He just needs the right mentor, maybe a nutritionist.

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April 22, 2021 12:37 pm

Hopefully we go into next season with Holmes, Metu, (maybe Jones) and whatever we get in a trade for Marvin Bagley.

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April 22, 2021 12:53 pm

As long as Bagley is on the roster the Ghost of Luka’s Past will continue to haunt this team (think Dickenson, Charles). Then there’s his dad, and this pond ain’t big enough for the two of them.

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April 22, 2021 6:44 pm
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Trade Bagley to Dallas for Mark Cuban.

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April 24, 2021 12:39 pm
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I’m willing to trade him for Charles Dickens(on).

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April 22, 2021 2:35 pm

So wait, his hand is healed but they don’t know when he’s coming back? Get out there on the damn court right now and show us something.

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April 22, 2021 4:53 pm

It is a litte presumptuous to say he will be “returning to action”. Isn’t it more appropriate to say he will be available to play if the coach chooses to put him in the game?

I said it before and I will say it again, What doesn’t Metu do that Marvin does?

Marvin 55% TS%
Metu 61% TS%

Metu got a couple of putbacks I don’t think Marvin gets last night. Metu has more length. Metu makes quicker reads. Metu doesnt shoot from deep, but so what. I dont need to see Marvin shooting 3s, is that something we need or is that just a lazy way to try to get points because you are too uncreative or soft to power up and through in the paint where the big boys play?

And speaking of the lazy way, welcome to the team Buddy Hield!

Where ya been all season!?

I swear Buddy is a maddening case study in NBA “star” player, I comment about him more than any player, but I think I have him figured it. Awful first game vs Wolves, just woeful, then was the difference last night, his best game of the season. That winning 3 had to be the release of a lot of pent up frustration, it had to feel good for him, the shot was pure , barely rippling the cords!

Buddy looks more athletic in the last 1-2 weeks, you can see it in his physique and activity level if not the way he finishes at the rim, but he never had lift. Buddy finally looks like an athlete, imagine that!

Dude was chunky to start the season, bloated and sluggish. This has played a role in the ridiculous percentage of 3s. It is not just the clause in the contract that incentivizes him to chuck shots, it is that he has been too sluggish to get looks inside the arc when the defense converges on his mollasses scheme.

Buddy back in the day was among the league leaders in distance traveled per game. Do fans even remember this player? He was exciting to watch! Is that stat still kept? I don’t think Buddy is nearly running as hard off-ball to get to his spots as he was, but like I said there is a liveliness to his game missing before, at least it made a re-appearance for one game.

If Buddy is only spry and agile enough to get loose with 6-12 inches of separation from 25 feet, then he’s more than Bjelica type YMCA type player with two gimpy knees. But if he is a spry and agile like he showed most of the game last night, then he is back to being the guy who can part of our core, as a super 6th man. 16 shots last night (no FTs lol), 11 3s and 5 2s. And those 5 FGA from 2s are about enough to keep the defense honest. And also enough to try to get him into a rhythm.

I was going to say Buddy should shoot 55-60% of his shots from 3. And then I thought let me look up one of the greatest scorers ever and greatest 3 point shooter ever and use him as a benchmark. Curry shoots 57% of his shots from 3. How about that?!? If the greatest three point shooter ever can find a way to shoot 43% of his shots from inside the arc, Buddy should be able to find a way to shoot more than 26% of his.

His progression in # of 3s as a percentage of shots over four full seasons makes NO sense unless there is a complicating variable, and that variable is he got too big (muscle and body fat) and his average speed and quickness become less so and more conspicuous detriment.

2017-18 44%
2018-19 48%
2019-20 59%
2020-21 74% (!!!)

If Buddy’s career is salvageable in SAC it is going to be with a new disciplinarian type coach and as a guy who can play with more focused and relaxed energy. That has been missing, and the missing piece to the puzzle of his dismal season has been his reliance on jacking shots not just bc he is has extreme self-belief as a shooter but the dude has been too heavy to get free consistently by other means.

It is clear as day his offseason training was trash and it just about now that he is correcting this mistake. Better late than never. McGenius will have to factor this into his assessment in to what to do with Buddy. The book needs to be closed on Marvin and this coach, forget about them both, but I would leave the book on Buddy open just a crack.

Buddy should be a 42-43% 3 point shooter, instead of career low 38.5%. And the way you do that is keep the defender off balance by being able to make him pay when he overplays you. Then the opponent has to respect your drive and dish game. And when you are not creating on your own, which should be most of the time, you need to be quick and spry enough to get to your catch and shoot spots. And the way you do that is not be fat.

So that solves the misadventures of Buddy. Unfortunately, for the coach and Marvin there is no solution. Two lost causes, onto the next!

And this game by Buddy should put to rest the nonsense by James Ham that Buddy play suffered this year by thinking Haliburton could replace him. Thats bunk. If there was truth to this would he not also be threatened and angst ridden by the spark by Terrence Davis 2-3X so far , and him getting consistent 20 MPG? Would Buddy not be pressing even more with the new acquisition showing his game a few times?

Buddy’s fear of losing his starting job has nothing to do with his struggles. The good news is I think he knows why he has been struggling and finally decided to do address it. We were only talking about 10-15 pounds, but the NBA is literally a game of inches and pounds. I am interested to see how Davis, Jones, Metu and Buddy finish the season. I know about the rest of the players, but these guys need to make a statement one way or the other to clarify their possible future with the team.

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April 22, 2021 6:46 pm
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To sum up your dissertation, Metu is just better than Bagley.

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April 22, 2021 7:58 pm
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And this game by Buddy should put to rest the nonsense by James Ham that Buddy play suffered this year by thinking Haliburton could replace him.

Yeah agreed–that theory was laughable, IMO.

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April 22, 2021 8:27 pm
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Prolly one of few who had time to read all that, but the points about his lack of running and speed do play out by the stats.

-Buddy was 7th league in distance traveled 2 seasons ago (14,000 ft) and now down to 18th at 13,500 (with more mins this year).
-Led the league in offensive average speed at 5.2 mph, down to 4.6 now.

I still think there is a valuable player in there. The vast majority of comments on the old site were in favor of Buddy’s extension at the time 2 years ago. What’s changed since then? Maybe Buddy’s body, but most notably Walton as coach. If Buddy will let em (dunno maybe Buddy just fancies himself as a chucker now), I think another coach can get Buddy back to a slight positive asset (relative to contract) or at least neutral. Would make McNair’s job a hell of a lot more flexible.

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April 24, 2021 9:17 am
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Let’s not forget that Buddy had the €˜rona and it may have had some long haul effects on his peak performance.

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April 22, 2021 5:54 pm

Yay?

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April 22, 2021 8:25 pm

Sweet. Might actually start watching this shit show again

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April 22, 2021 8:40 pm

Am I glad he is healthy? Not sure? Do I kind of feel like puking every time I read about Bagley? Yeah, I do.

This article even mentioned his €œpotential€. So tired of that garbage. He has potential somewhere but hopefully not in a Kings uniform.

He wants to leave, his daddy wants to leave, and his team wishes they never drafted him. Time to move on for everybody involved.

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April 22, 2021 10:47 pm

That is the only annoying thing about Bagley being back…all the announcers-Kings media trying to convince me that Marvin isn’t exactly what he is €”a bench big who’s very unlikely to turn into much more.

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April 23, 2021 4:46 am
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That’s not the only thing annoying about him being back, trust me.

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April 23, 2021 6:33 pm
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The Kangz have been talking about his potential for 3 years. Any other NBA team would have sent him packing and issued a press release calling him a failed draft pick.

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