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Hornets, Raptors, and Mavericks expected to be interested in Richaun Holmes

It's looking very unlikely that Early Bird Rights will be enough to keep Holmes in Sacramento.

The Sacramento Kings are likely to face considerable competition in their quest to retain starting center Richaun Holmes, according to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype. Scotto reports that the Dallas Mavericks, Toronto Raptors, and Charlotte Hornets are all expected to be interested in Holmes once free agency begins.

Holmes is an unrestricted free agent, and is the top center on the free agent market. Scotto notes:

What's going to happen with Richaun Holmes is going to dictate the free agent market for the rest of the big men, including Nerlens Noel.

Scotto also notes that Holmes leaving would pretty much only be about the money.

He's loved Sacramento as the franchise that gave him an opportunity on the court and the ways the fans have treated him off the court.

At the end of the day, the Kings are limited to offering only the amount allowed under Early Bird Rights (Tim Maxwell has previously done a full rundown on how the numbers work). Teams with cap space can easily outbid the Kings for Holmes' services. Holmes has previously been reported as seeking $18-$20 million a year, but even if he found a deal for $14-$15 million a year it would be more than the Kings can offer.

Of course, the Kings can still try to create space via trades, which could render all of the moot.

Free agency begins August 2nd at 6 PM ET, with the moratorium ending on August 6th.

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Hobby916
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July 22, 2021 12:32 pm

The usual suspects for Holmes.

1951
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July 22, 2021 12:38 pm

90/10 odd that he is gone at the 1951 casino.

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July 22, 2021 12:54 pm
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1951 also 90/10 odd.

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July 22, 2021 1:55 pm
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July 23, 2021 7:11 am
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I am definitely not one to use “odd” as a pejorative.

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July 23, 2021 11:00 am
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1951 is completely odd. I mean, every single number there is odd.

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July 22, 2021 12:43 pm

Good teams keep good players. Still young. Getting better every year. Plays defense. And cares. I jettison contracts to keep him

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July 22, 2021 12:57 pm
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Can you clarify what you mean by “jettison?” I understand that it means that the contracts would be gone, but by what method?

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July 22, 2021 1:16 pm
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Napear just says stuff without backing it up.

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July 22, 2021 4:55 pm
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I’m sexy and you know it.

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July 23, 2021 1:31 pm
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clap your hands!

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July 22, 2021 1:17 pm
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Something like this, probably:
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July 22, 2021 1:55 pm
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I don’t know if this improves the cap situation, but I’d show up for this.

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July 22, 2021 4:54 pm
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Other teams open up cap space all the time. It can be done

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July 22, 2021 4:59 pm
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Knicks might be a good trade partner to take on salary

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July 22, 2021 12:44 pm

I’m going to miss him and his parents€¦ favorite sports parents by far!

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July 22, 2021 12:47 pm

Getting ready to watch Holmes walk for nothing this deadline like…

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July 22, 2021 1:28 pm
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Watching Holmes go like:
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July 22, 2021 3:13 pm
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Later Sherblock Holmes

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July 22, 2021 9:12 pm
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The weird thing is that it almost looks like Martin Short.

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July 22, 2021 12:48 pm

On the one hand, I love Holmes. And, I’ll be frustrated if a talent-starved team lets one of its 4 best players walk for nothing two years in a row. On the other hand, $18M per is STEEP!

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July 22, 2021 1:05 pm
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This is where I am. I would love to keep Holmes, but he is also far from a perfect or irreplaceable player. If another team that thinks they are on the cusp wants to pay him $18-20M, I’d feel bad losing him and would also be happy he got paid, but I’d try to replace him with someone like Noel for a fraction of the price.

I would be very nervous about giving him something like 4/$80 even if we had the cap space available. But would be especially hesitant to spend assets to jettison a contract in order to pay him that much money.

That said, we’ll see what the offers are. I could see Dallas going big to try to appease Doncic and to get over the hump in the playoffs. I am less convinced that it’s in the Hornets or Raptors best interest to spend that much on a talented, but limited center. Though I guess I wouldn’t be too surprised if the GM who threw a ton of money at Mozgov and Rozier and who was the other GM trying to get Barnes spent a ton on Holmes.

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July 22, 2021 2:02 pm
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That’s all fine and dandy but did the Kings not have a price in mind and a sense of the coming market BEFORE the trade deadline?

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out and if he walks and the Kings are left holding a bag of nothing then I will be very discouraged about the acumen of this FO.

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July 22, 2021 2:53 pm
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It was a risk for sure. But no one knows what we could have got for him (none of these teams was sending us a pick for him at the deadline). That’s the counterfactual we all have to live out as fans and it takes time to tally the evidence…we don’t know if the only offer we got was for a 2nd rounder from the Lakers. Would you rather have taken that offer or let him walk for free lol?!

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July 22, 2021 2:58 pm
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There were playoff teams that would have given you something. Heck, even taking a flier on a young struggling player like Kevin Knox – just an example so don’t go all crazy on Knox is trash takes! – or Nesmith or someone.

I am sure you could have rolled the dice on some player, which is better than having nothing to show for it!

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July 22, 2021 3:09 pm
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Agree with SBK. Aaron Gordon got Hampton and a first. Fournier got two 2nd round picks. We couldn’t even find a decent package for Barnes having perhaps a career year.

I really don’t think we were getting more for Holmes on an expiring than a 2nd round pick (and probably a bad one considering the only teams offering one may have been a contender). Now if we lose him for nothing, then maybe that late 2nd looks better than getting zero.

However, it’s reasonable there was a calculation that we’d rather take a 50% chance Holmes walks and 50% chance we can resign him for a reasonable contract over getting a late 2nd round pick.

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July 22, 2021 6:02 pm
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I’d honestly rather have the cap space and an attempt at resigning Holmes than a late 2nd. This team was close to the playoffs last year and I think could have played their way into the playoffs had things broken differently.

Holmes missed 39 of 144 games. That’s over a quarter of the games. He’s never played 75 games or 2000 minutes in a season. The Kings defense was atrocious….. with Holmes on the floor.

An useful player to have, obviously. But it’s not some great issue if he walks either. You can replace the Richaun Holmes’ of the world.

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July 22, 2021 3:06 pm
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I agree with this all the way. If the offer was a second or someone like Kevin Knox quality (which feels reasonably accurate) even if I thought I had a less than 1/3 chance of retaining Holmes, I turn that deal down. Taking a chance you might resign him either Early Bird or figuring a way to clear space, far outweighs the worth of the asset you might have received back. I do not see a situation where they ship him and then resign him in off season without overpaying. That just doesn’t really happen except for maybe a upper echelon playoff team.

Plus, no one wants to hear it, but you still got to keep chasing the 8th seed for the last 25 games. That’s not nothing, when shipping him probably doesn’t greatly enhance your tanking odds and the Kings 5 games clear of the bottom 5-6 teams at the deadline. But I think the reason stated above previously is the far better reason not to trade him though.

Note: SptsJunkie beat me to post…but same general idea : )

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July 22, 2021 12:52 pm

Well this is why Monte gets paid what he does and we see what he can do. He made those trades at the deadline knowing exactly what it did to their space and their ability to retain Holmes. So either he has plans to move contracts around to make space for Holmes or he never planned on being that interested in a big number for Holmes and has an alternative plan. Unless he gets lucky and the market isn’t what is indicated.

I don’t think he didn’t game plan this scenario out back in March…we just don’t know what the game plan is or whether we will like the results.

Be an interesting couple of weeks.

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July 22, 2021 5:32 pm
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Very well said.

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July 22, 2021 11:48 pm
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He tried to walk away from Bagley to get cap room as well. If he pulled that off he would have more options.

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July 23, 2021 10:24 am
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I really want to like McNair, and we don’t know what happens with him and Vivek nor what the larger plan is, but losing Bogi and Holmes for nothing in back to back offseasons leaves a sour taste in my mouth – especially when you run an already talent-starved team.

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July 22, 2021 1:02 pm

State taxes will always harm the Kings.

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July 22, 2021 1:03 pm
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Yet, somehow not the Warriors, Lakers or Clippers. Huh.

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July 22, 2021 1:20 pm

And the Heat. Don’t forget the Heat.
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July 22, 2021 1:38 pm

Honestly, the taxes argument is also very complicated.

Usually people look at income taxes and see that some states like Texas are far lower than California and assume that’s a massive advantage and a player will be much richer living in Texas with no income taxes.

However, all states need to pay their bills and they will always get their money to do so. It just varies if they get that revenue from state income taxes, local income taxes, sales/excise taxes, or property taxes.

Here is an analysis of all 50 states effective tax rates: https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494

Yes, some states are higher or lower, but to compare two perceived extremes:

Big ole, tax and spend California: 9.48%
Personal freedom, small govt Texas: 8.19%

The big difference is that California has a more aggressive income tax. And Texas has much higher sales and property taxes. And the difference for an NBA player maybe even smaller, as you have to pay taxes in other states where you work. So a Texas player still might end up paying a % of money in taxes to other states unlike an engineer who works every day in an office in Dallas.

I’m not saying they are identical or that a player might not be able to play for a Texas team, rent a relatively cheap apartment in Texas, buy a mansion for the offseason elsewhere, and make all of their big purchases in states with a smaller tax – but for a lot of players who want to buy a big house and have their family live in the same city as their team, the differences end up being far more negligible than we often perceive.

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July 22, 2021 1:41 pm
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July 22, 2021 1:56 pm
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We’ve got us a Tax Guy!

Thanks for the explainer.

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July 22, 2021 2:05 pm
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Well…there goes another KANGZ excuse…

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July 22, 2021 11:50 pm
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That was basketball genius. Expose an a entire country to the Kangz and destroy the players before the season even starts.

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July 22, 2021 2:16 pm
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Wait a minute, I just realized Texas is like “Taxes”, but like, all backwards.

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July 22, 2021 8:33 pm
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More like Tickses.

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July 22, 2021 2:57 pm
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That’s true in the aggregate, but for a player making $15M a year the tax rates make a huge difference. CA top rate is 13.3% so for people with very high incomes the difference is huge, but for the average person it’s not nearly so much. Bottom line is I agree with BHE that if your team is good enough people will come and play there regardless. Taxes never hurt the Lakers unfortunately.

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July 22, 2021 3:21 pm
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SPTSJUNKIE’s point, which is correct, is that just looking at the top marginal tax rate doesn’t actually tell the story. When you consider all aspects of taxation in our lives, the way NBA players are taxes, AND the underlying fact that as wealthy people they have access to nearly endless avenues to reduce their tax burden, the true differences are much much smaller. Ultimately, top marginal income tax rate is WAY down the list of deciding factors when players consider where to play.

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July 22, 2021 5:38 pm
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There’s an analysis of Texas vs California taxes that basically says that you’re only better off in Texas if you’re rich (which professional athletes are).

Snowflake warning: Politics

Texas has lower taxes than California . . . for some people

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July 22, 2021 9:17 pm
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Yep, the tax thing is really a red herring with respect to sports. Not to mention (and a CPA is free to correct me) they’re taxed on where the games are played.

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July 23, 2021 8:35 am
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Really, it’s a political argument disguised as a sports argument.

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July 22, 2021 1:10 pm
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As they clearly have with the Lakers and Warriors.

I know, I know: “Gubmint bad.”

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July 22, 2021 6:44 pm
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Because LA and Sacramento are the same markets. Oops.

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July 22, 2021 6:47 pm
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Uhm…

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July 23, 2021 7:15 am
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Because Northern California and Southern California are two separate states, like North Dakota and South Dakota.

Oops.

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July 23, 2021 11:04 am
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I grew up in south Sacramento. I’m guessing that’s why my parents paid taxes differently than folks in West Sacramento did.

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July 23, 2021 11:05 am
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Also, when John Denver sings “…(W)west Virginia…”

is he talking about West Virginia, or the western part of Virginia?

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July 22, 2021 1:18 pm
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CA state taxes harm us all, yet we’re still here. I don’t think players put that much thought into state taxes as we think.
The Texas teams have never really been FA destinations even with their tax advantage.

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July 22, 2021 1:30 pm
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Or Memphis. Or Seattle (too soon?)

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July 22, 2021 2:31 pm
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The taxes weren’t the main reason I moved away, it was the price of housing. Just stupid in some areas. No thanks, see ya CA.

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July 23, 2021 7:16 am
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Door, ass, etcetera.

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July 22, 2021 1:14 pm

Love Holmes, but he’s not worth what he’s going to get. Over paying is the last thing this franchise needs considering we’re already capped with a trash roster.

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July 22, 2021 1:18 pm

He gone

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July 22, 2021 1:25 pm
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…..he’s gone
Oh I, oh I
I better learn how to face it
he’s gone, he’s gone
Oh I, oh I
I’d pay the devil to replace him
he’s gone, and he’s gone
Oh why, what went wrong?
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July 22, 2021 1:33 pm
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Soon:

“Everybody’s high on consolation”

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July 22, 2021 3:05 pm
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Him gone

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July 22, 2021 1:25 pm

I’ll be rooting for him, no matter where he’ll be and I wish he gets a nice paycheck.

worked hard on both ends of the floor. One of the few who actually cared about defense. Let’s see how we replace that if he’s gone.

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July 22, 2021 1:32 pm
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I’ll be happy/sad to see him get a championship elsewhere
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July 22, 2021 3:06 pm
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King’s fans,
Forever living vicariously through the success of former Kings.

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July 22, 2021 1:26 pm

It’s telling for this organization that asset management and ass hat management sound so similar.

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July 22, 2021 1:27 pm

A franchise would be nuts to pay anything near Holmes’ asking price of 18-20 mil. The Hornets are the only team I can see paying over 10 mil a year for Holmes which is the absolute max the Kings should offer. There’s very few teams with the salary cap space and positional need to pay anything close to his asking price.

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July 22, 2021 3:07 pm
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I’d say he’s worth $12 million max.

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July 22, 2021 2:15 pm

Holmes leaving for nothing was easily forseeble, and it’s a failure on the part of the front office if it happens. They should be able to think past the end of their nose. If he ends up leaving for nothing, Holmes should have been dealt at the deadline. And yes, he had more than zero value at that point.

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July 22, 2021 2:22 pm
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Hornets, Raptors, Mavs to Monte:comment image

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July 22, 2021 2:29 pm
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This Kings’ TV show is about letting assets walk for
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July 22, 2021 2:27 pm

I know the teams that are cited in this report have some cap space and center positions are a bit in question, but I’m not sure it makes a ton of sense for all of them.

Dallas unless it pulls some deal is stuck with Porzingis and that huge contract. He has played 100% of his minutes as a center the last 2 years. I’m not sure how Holmes fits into that equation at 15+ million. Assuming Richardson opts in (Which I imagine he would off last season), article I read said they have about 21 mill in practical space. If they move Zinger, sure I could see Holmes floaters for days off Luka passes. But if they can’t or won’t, I don’t see how they spend most of their space on Holmes. They also have a Tim Hardaway resign question.

Raptors already have Chris Boucher, who is an undersized center as well. He played pretty well last year (83% as a C) and started for them down the stretch. Similar production as Holmes. Stretches the floor too. He makes 7 mill, free agent next year. If they really like him, do they save Center dollars for him after next year? They could run a small center Holmes/Boucher combo, but that doesn’t really leave them with a bigger body at all (Had Baynes last year)

Hornets makes sense. Zeller is also free agent…don’t think he would be terrible to look at for Kings on the cheaper side. HIs per 100 numbers aren’t wildly different than Holmes, but Holmes is definitely better overall.

As someone said, I do think it’s a small crowd of teams with space and would be interested in his exact skill set. Will a team bid against themselves?

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July 22, 2021 8:28 pm
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Will a team bid against themselves?

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July 22, 2021 2:33 pm

I like Holmes so much and love rooting for him. I really wish he would’ve been able to stick around to play in front of a raucous crowd at G1C during a meaningful playoff game. I’m sure he would’ve played so hard that the fans would be chanting his name.

Going to miss that sweet push-shot. 🙁
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Kosta,
You clearly have a bias for sweet push shots.

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July 22, 2021 5:34 pm
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LaBradford Smith had a push shot, didn’t he?

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July 22, 2021 6:34 pm
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One of the original Doctors of Dunk. €¦ and they operate €¦ on the other team.
€œDr. Kimbro, scalpel please€

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July 22, 2021 6:59 pm
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i stand corrected. Just outdated myself. Labradford was Not an original dr of dunk, but they did call themselves that and made a cool vhs video with Jerome Harmon and Felton Spencer and the others. I always thought they were the originals.

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July 22, 2021 2:43 pm

Well, it looks like Holmes is gone, too bad, loved he and his family. Need a big in this draft, I just hope that it will be Segun. I would hate to see us lose another talented Euro like Vlade did with Luka. Monte did great last year with Hali, can’t wait to see what he’ll do this year.

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July 22, 2021 2:53 pm

We are going to lose him for nothing. I’m sure our front office’s viewpoint on his offensive production in particular is that he benefitted from getting set up by Fox/Haliburton moreso than his skillset. I’m sure they feel they can plug in a cheaper player and get similar value for whatever reason.

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July 22, 2021 6:57 pm
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If they do feel that way there is a huge chance they will be proven wrong ! Nothing worse than unnamed , unknown and unsigned players !

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July 22, 2021 3:00 pm

Alright. Holmes is leaving in free agency this year. Bogi left last year. Kings are saving up cap room for something. Sincere question, if you’re Monte and looking to pair Fox with two other stars, how do you do it? Sell the farm, I’d love everyone’s best takes. Hali, all the picks, Barnes, everything. Get two stars for Fox.

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July 22, 2021 3:13 pm

First, Fox needs to develop into a star, then Hali and then you hope you hit on a draft pick. Which means we need more draft picks. Try and get a first for Barnes.
Buy low for players with upside who are available – both Reddish and Heurter were available the last year. We couldn’t pick one up? Perhaps in a Bogi SnT?

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July 22, 2021 3:56 pm
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I wanted Huerter too prior too free agency start…but there was zero reason for Hawks to have done that once the Bucks deal fell through. Kings were willing to move Bogi for Dante D at about 14-15 mill per. Hawks probably had very good sense Kings weren’t going in on him at 18mill.

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July 22, 2021 4:40 pm
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Hali hitting the press as untouchable was a smoke screen to raise his value. Monte overhauled the bench at the trade deadline. All starters not named Fox are next. Morey rarely made draft picks. FO’s gonna swing. Thus, all starters are gone, all future picks may be gone. What can we get?

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July 22, 2021 8:30 pm

Yep. Except Fox is on the block too for the right deal.

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July 22, 2021 6:41 pm

Assets to trade:

Hield $22.5M
Barnes $20.2M
Bagley $11.1M
Wright $8.5M
Haliburton $4M

Future first round picks and swaps

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July 22, 2021 9:22 pm

Where’s Fox?

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July 23, 2021 10:44 am
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Fox is likely the piece being built around. 23 year old scoring 25 points a game and improving. He’s unlikely to yield a better player. For example, Sixers demanding nothing short of Fox for Simmons. Fox is better than Simmons.

Hence, keep Fox and find what you can.

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July 22, 2021 3:56 pm

does the CBA allow multi year player options? If Rishaun really loves sac, he could start with the early bird and then decline future years and sign for more if cap gets better?

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July 22, 2021 4:03 pm

I’ll give McNair credit when it’s due but this was an idiotic move to keep him at the deadline in pursue of this so called play-in

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July 22, 2021 4:55 pm
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You can said the same to the situation of Hield, Balgey and Barnes……..

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July 22, 2021 6:11 pm

Well he didn’t want to trade Bagley for a bag a chips so it makes sense he’s still here. Hield may just been so low of value that trading him last season doesn’t make sense. Barnes is probably the same situation as Holmes except he’s under contract for two more seasons so we aren’t missing out by keeping him

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