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Welcome back to Chainmail, where you ask, Will and I answer, and we all cry together! Let’s recap the last few days, shall we?

  • A report was released by Sam Amick of The Athletic that Monte McNair has been given full power to do whatever he wishes (to make the playoffs), and no names are off of the board for the Kings.
  • That same report also mentioned that Sacramento remains interested in Sixers forward Ben Simmons.
  • After winning three of four games against mostly undermanned teams last week, the Kings have lost three in a row to mostly undermanned teams, including an embarrassing loss to the Atlanta Hawks who were missing almost every single key player in their rotations. Have no worries, though. Multiple players came out recently and said they just have to be better and try harder and focus more.
  • De’Aaron Fox has returned to form on the offensive end of the floor over the last four games, averaging 28.5 points, 4.5 boards, and 5.8 assists in that stretch, but he was pretty awful in the four games prior. He has yet to find consistency for a significant stretch this season.
  • Since the offensive keys were handed over to Tyrese Haliburton, he’s looked like an entirely new player, or at least one being fully utilized to his strength. Over the last 12 games, the studly, NFT-owning sophomore is putting up 18.3 points and 9.3 assists on 51/54/87 shooting splits.
  • In 2022, the Kings are surrendering 115 points per game. On the season, Sacramento is giving up 53.5 points per game in the paint, the second-most of any team since the NBA began recording the stat in 1996. In Friday night’s loss to the Denver Nuggets, they allowed 70 points in the paint.
  • Under Alvin Gentry, the Kings have posted a record of 10-14, a win pace of 34 games, and they rank 25th in offensive rating and 26th in defensive rating in his time as the head coach.
  • The Kings are on pace for 32 wins and 50 losses this season. In Vlade Divac’s five-year tenure, Sacramento averaged 33 wins per 82 games. During their 16 months (more than half the tenure of an average NBA GM), the Kings have averaged 34 wins per 82 games. Progress, baby!

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ZillersCat
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January 8, 2022 9:35 am

Sigh ..
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January 8, 2022 9:39 am

Indulge yourself in the fantasy that Vivek was caught for ridiculing Adam Silver’s bald pate on several occasions, and after a vigorous lobby from the American Society of Hairdrepived Persons (who baldly go were everyone else has gone before), Vivek is forced to sell his shares!

Which disgustingly rich person with ties to the Sacramento area would be the most perfect successor of Vivek as majority shareholder and GM for the Kings, and why?

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January 8, 2022 9:58 am
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Are there even any disgustingly rich people with ties to Sacramento? I remember reading somewhere that Sacramento is one of the largest cities in America without a billionaire. It would likely just be another tech giant from the Bay Area.

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January 8, 2022 11:35 am
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There aren’t in Memphis. But that’s not an issue as long as there is limited supply (NBA teams). Robert Pera isn’t a Memphis guy, but he seems to be doing okay as the owner of the Grizzlies.

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January 8, 2022 9:51 am

So, how do you guys feel about breakfast?

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January 8, 2022 10:13 am

The most important question of all.

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January 8, 2022 11:43 am

Are you buying?

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January 8, 2022 12:21 pm

I’m for it

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January 8, 2022 12:23 pm

My favorite of my five daily meals.

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January 8, 2022 12:39 pm

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January 8, 2022 12:48 pm
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Yessssssssss.

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January 8, 2022 12:59 pm
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I haven’t been able to use it for a while!

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January 8, 2022 8:29 pm
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January 8, 2022 9:52 am

John, Paul, George, or Ringo?

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January 8, 2022 9:52 am

Can they play SF?

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January 8, 2022 9:59 am
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Paul George can.

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January 8, 2022 12:39 pm
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Ha!

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January 8, 2022 10:19 am
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Straberry Fields? Yes.

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January 8, 2022 10:19 am
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Strawberry Fields

my keypad, my bad

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January 8, 2022 10:28 am
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A Day in the Life of a Kings fan.

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January 8, 2022 11:46 am

I Feel Fine.

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January 8, 2022 12:42 pm
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You can’t do that – as a kings fan

Kings are so bad they lose Eight Days a Week

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January 9, 2022 2:25 pm
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I’m in Misery.

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January 8, 2022 12:48 pm

with Vivek (The) Fool on the Hill

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January 8, 2022 1:03 pm
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We’ll reach the playoffs When I’m Sixty-Four?

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January 8, 2022 3:58 pm
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Mean Mr. Monte won’t make a trade.

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January 8, 2022 4:07 pm

Maybe he had a better deal Yesterday.

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January 9, 2022 2:26 pm
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C’mon man, just Let It Be.

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January 9, 2022 2:25 pm

That was Yesterday for me.

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January 8, 2022 12:21 pm

No spoilers, please!

Still need to get Disney+

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January 8, 2022 10:17 am

What kind of Buddy Hield trades are out there in your opinion, and regardless at this point what type of deal would you take to move on from Buddy at this point?

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January 8, 2022 10:31 am
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I’ve been struggling with this. I can’t think of any teams that need a sharp shooting guard that makes $22M this year, $21M next year and $19M the year after that when most teams already have shooters just as good as Buddy that cost a fraction of his contract.

Currently there are 50 qualifying players shooting over 40% from 3. Buddy Hield currently ranks 69th, tied with Tim Hardaway Jr. His once unique skill set just isn’t that unique anymore.

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January 8, 2022 10:46 am
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Damn, Buddy’s so bad, he ranks 69th out of 50!

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January 8, 2022 11:44 am

I was told there would be no math.

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January 8, 2022 11:06 am
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It’s also opportunity cost Adam. Buddy’s on a short contract and getting shorter by the day. You make it sound like Buddy costs 63 million in contract cost when in reality it’s going to be much closer to 45 million by the time it’s all said and done. Or less if if he’s traded in the off-season sometime.

Buddy is tradeable at this point. What he does is shoot the ball and score the ball. He also rebounds well for a wing and is a better than advertised playmaker. There are teams that need that (Cleveland comes to mind even with Love’s renaissance). Cleveland isn’t the only team out there, but they are one that makes sense as a destination. And all it ever takes is one.

I guess my point is, yes, you could point out there are other players more successful from one vantage than Buddy right now. But he’s also a guy who does more than just shoot the ball, and frankly, IMO, shoots too many of his attempts from 3.

It’s about opportunity cost. The question is whether anyone wants Buddy, or not. If the question is no, then it’s going to be a long road ahead. I suspect, though, the answer is yes but for the right price. I would be curious to know what that price is.

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January 8, 2022 12:41 pm
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I agree that Cleveland could use him and his shooting. Something as simple as Buddy for the injured and expiring Rubio, filler and maybe 2nd rounder is an easy cap clearing move for Monte, if he is wishing to simply move on from Buddy.

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January 8, 2022 3:36 pm
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Just to put this out there, but it might be a lot more easier to make a trade at draft time if you dump Buddy for an expiring and have cap space to facilitate a deal in late June when you really need to.

The cap space technically wouldn’t kick until July 1 as always but that doesn’t matter if teams know you’re going to have cap space come July 1. It opens up opportunities for you and your franchise.

Just to put this out there, but if you take just Buddy out of the salary mix for 2022 and beyond, you have (as of now) 81.451,613 for 8 guys (Fox, Barnes, Holmes, Mitchell, Haliburton, Davis, Harkless, Len) with team options for Metu, Ramsey and Woodard and EBR’s for Jones. Plus you’ll have an opportunity to add both King and Queta on standard exhibit 10 contracts at some point as well.

In otherwords, that’s just trading Buddy Adam. I think you do it because of that flexibility alone.

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January 9, 2022 7:04 am
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I would trade Buddy for the Pelicans Josh Hart and Tomas Strananosky. Josh can play 3 positions,rebound and likes to drive to the basket. Tomas’s contract is up this year. You save 10mil. The Pelicans want a shooter.We could make this trade.

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January 9, 2022 1:00 pm
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I doubt the Pelicans do that. I don’t think Buddy changes much for them, if anything.

I think you need a team with elite defensive personnel around Buddy and that is not New Orleans.

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January 8, 2022 10:28 am

This organization is the biggest losing organization for a reason, and its not changing anytime soon. They waited to fire Luke, when everyone knew he wasnt an even average NBA coach. (Being generous there.). They then had an opportunity to name the Interim head coach, and they went with another loser in Alvin Gentry. Not even 20 games in he is asking for advice on how to coach the team from anyone who can help him figure out how to get this team to play in the 3rd quarter. Loser.

They didnt hire Doug Christie, cause they scared everyone will mock them for hiring another former King to a position, instead they did the loser thing and went with Gentry, when if they hired fired Luke before season started we wouldnt even have him as coach. Is money a factor for this loser organization, probably since thats the word on the street.

This Organizion has been a loser group for well over a decade, and its not gonna change anytime soon.

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January 8, 2022 1:20 pm
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To be fair, being a former King is really the only qualification Doug had for the HC gig.

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January 8, 2022 2:18 pm
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If they had hired Christie, this would just be a rant from someone else about how the KANGZ had hired yet another legacy Kings good guy into a position where he’s utterly unqualified and is now failing, as he’s no better record wise than Luke F. Walton. Walton was a problem in more ways than one, but he was not **the** problem.

I actually like Gentry quite a bit. He’s one of the only people in or connected to the Kings organization over the last decade who speaks honestly to fans, like they are educated consumers instead of dumb rubes to be lied and tricked into spending money.

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January 8, 2022 4:17 pm
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To be frank, you don’t give the Keys to an ex player with virtually ZERO pedigree in coaching NBA players. Christie does not deserve to be head coach. Just because he’s an ex player and he gets along with players? Is that the rational for hiring him? He’s not deserving because he has not paid any dues in the coaching circle. I don’t even know why Chritie was hired as an asst in the first place. It’s dumb moves like this that keep this team in reverse. Continue to hire ex players like they’re some elixir to winning. The Sentimentality is nauseasting. This team needs fresh blood and an infusion of new ideas. Someone who will establish culture and accountability.

I agree that this team’s owner and front office don’t have the balls to change anything. Status Quo. Waiting is what Kings fans do. Year after Year. Hope for Jaylen Brown. But, end up with Kent Bazemore and Shumpert as the 2 missing pieces to the the 4th seed.

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January 8, 2022 10:58 am

They turned me into a newt.

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January 8, 2022 11:02 am

The Knights of Ni meet the Kings of No.

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January 8, 2022 12:12 pm

I hope you get better.

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January 8, 2022 11:20 am

The Fox/Simmons trade rumors are back. Assuming a third team isn’t involved, what would a Fox/Simmons trade currently look like?

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January 8, 2022 11:37 am
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The Fox/Simmons rumors are back because Morey got Monte to put him on the table. Now Morey will leverage Fox for a better trade elsewhere. Monte is that doofus Jags GM from Draft Day.

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January 8, 2022 1:23 pm
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So, never put anyone on the trading block?

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January 8, 2022 2:16 pm
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Not your star player. Not in a leak. And not if you’re Monte “Blink First” McNair.

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January 8, 2022 2:20 pm
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And not if you’re Monte “Blink First” McNair.

This is an unfair characterization. You have to be awake to blink.

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January 8, 2022 2:46 pm
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Well, the two days he tried the Buddy and Bogi deals anyway. But yes.

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January 8, 2022 11:42 am

To maximize all the thrills and suspense of the trading deadline:
a) who will be first King traded before the deadline?
b) when will the first King trade happen?
c) how many current Kings will no longer be Kings by the deadline?
d) how many current Kings will no longer be Kings by start of next season?

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January 8, 2022 12:24 pm

When will Greg give you guys the greenlight to boo?

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January 8, 2022 12:45 pm

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January 8, 2022 1:13 pm
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It had better not be Hali because the Kings would have to send so many other contracts and depth and make it work. It would almost assuredly also require Barnes or Buddy.

Trading, Fox for Simmons,however, is a lot simpler. I’ll keeping saying it, but wing line of Hali, Buddy, Simmons, Barnes would be so much better than a wing line of Fox, Simmons and who’s left of Buddy or Barnes.

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January 8, 2022 1:31 pm
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Just no more Buddy in the line up please! trade him now!

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January 8, 2022 2:09 pm
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1.Trade anybody not named Tyrese or Fox,2. bottom out the rest of the season, 3.get a top 5 pick, 4.pick a new coach.

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January 8, 2022 3:25 pm
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Deck chairs being moved while the captain and Iceberg still in play !

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January 8, 2022 4:23 pm
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If you’re holding on to the backcourt.

  1. You’re not gettting much back in a grab bag of Barnes/Hield/Bagley
  2. The Kings will not lose enough games to be in that Top 5 conversation. Because you still have Hali/Fox. 8-10 is morelike it. The Kings will still win 33-35 games. Have you looked at the Western Conf?
  3. A new coach will help. But this team needs ALL STAR talent. You don’t win in this league without it. Fox is no All Star. Hali TBD. ( I see Solid starter. I don’t think he ever becomes an All Star.)
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January 8, 2022 4:56 pm
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Right now Kings are 8th from bottom. The bottom 4- Orland, Detroit, Houston and OKC pretty well set- a head start and a desire to lose. Then you got NOP and Blazers who are ready to give up and Pacers and SAS who might give in. So that’s #7 and maybe 10. There is no top 5 pick in that scenario unless Kings win a top 4 with the lottery ball spin. Getting #5 itself is highly improbable, means losing more than NOP and Blazers and not getting by-passed by the ping pong balls. If all stays the same, expect around 8-9. Even if many assets are moved, NOP and Blazers hard to “catch” since they have a head start and clear motivation to sit their very top players for the year.
So tanking by trading is risky. Trading to open cap space is also a risky strategy- this is not LA or any sort of desired location.

There is no way out of here said the Joker to the Priest. or Stuck in the Middle Again.
At the same time, Buddy, Bagley and Barnes are not part of any winning future. I suppose Kings could give them away for pennies on the dollar in value, solidify a top 10 pick at least, hope for a home run and hope to sign a skilled FA. While hope is never a plan, I don’t see any FA coming here unless there is something attractive- like Fox and Hali.
The price for BS is high and I think Philly is using Fox as leverage. There seems to be two courses of action: go like the Pacers and Blazers- a bit above mediocre and then fade inevitably or the lucky lottery path of the Suns, Memphis or Cavs. While the Bulls saved LaVine they are an attractive location apparently. (Caruso, Lonzo and DeMar). They did trade zero to Orlando who wanted zero for Vuc. Suns hit in lottery times 3 and signed a big FA. Cavs had 3 solid picks before hitting the big one. Memphis hit the big one and then got great value with late picks.
My preferred path- dump them all except Fox and Hali and wait for the big one (should have been the Bagley pick)
and yes, a new coach but not DC (keep him as assistant)

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January 9, 2022 7:09 am
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Really hard to get a really good coach during midseason. Why not do something really different and hire Becky Hammond. The players would have to but in.

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January 9, 2022 10:20 am
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You notice Pop did not promise her the Spurs job ! Called a tell !

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January 8, 2022 3:59 pm
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Just reading what Neubeck wrote, but Philly is saying they wouldn’t take Fox and Haliburton back in a Simmons deal. To be clear, Daryl Morey and the Sixers are saying that isn’t enough value.

I mean that’s just stupid doo doo dumb for Sacramento to even consider anyway. But you just never know with the idiots running things in the G Spot.

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January 8, 2022 4:06 pm
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Smells of leverage to me. I’d put money on Morey is still looking elsewhere.

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January 8, 2022 4:29 pm
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Oh yeah, for sure. Morey’s trying to set the market to no avail and frankly I don’t think anyone will come asking for Simmons at that asking price anytime soon.

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January 8, 2022 8:46 pm
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Link? I’m not seeing that in either his tweet or in his article about the subject here. Is there a source I’m missing?

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January 8, 2022 9:25 pm

It wasn’t in that article. It was yesterday.

The basic thrust is that there needs to be a 3rd team for Fox and Tyrese isn’t enough because he isn’t a star.

And to that, I say hell no.

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January 9, 2022 12:15 pm
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And I don’t think Simmons is worth anywhere near what Morey and the Sixers are asking to begin with.

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January 8, 2022 6:54 pm
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It would be a horrible mistake to trade Haliburton. Unless the player you get back can shoot and play next to Fox.

Haliburton, in my opinion, is the best potential player (maybe best now) on the Kings. Better passer, shooter and defender than Fox. Clearly can run an O and make plays for the team and he can play with anyone. He’s not limited.

Fucking stupid if they trade Hali. ,

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January 8, 2022 7:25 pm
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Then for sure they’ll trade him, because they’re fucking stupid.

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January 8, 2022 12:48 pm

Are there any rumors about an active search for a head coach? Or is it Gentry’s job to lose? (Alt: which HC candidates should they be looking to hire? Like, legit ones, not more 12-seed filler)

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January 8, 2022 2:12 pm
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One thing I have a serious concern for, is if the Kings were to follow that path and build for the future, Fox may demand out. I’m not sure he would want to wait a few more years to become competitive.

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January 8, 2022 2:40 pm
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I’ve waited 5 yrs for Fox to be really competitive.

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January 8, 2022 8:47 pm
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I don’t know. So far he hasn’t seemed too bothered by it.

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January 8, 2022 12:52 pm

You’re a Kings season ticket sales rep. What is your pitch?

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January 8, 2022 12:59 pm
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Fast breaking balls

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January 8, 2022 1:00 pm
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High scoring games.

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January 8, 2022 1:02 pm
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Plenty of room to stretch out? Nightly upgrades? Reduced traffic?

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January 9, 2022 7:13 am
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Then you have to rebound.

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January 9, 2022 7:13 am
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Then you have to rebound.

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January 8, 2022 1:02 pm
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January 8, 2022 2:15 pm
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I had that kings pass, it was less than $5 a game last month. Not worth it…I feel for those sales reps bc there salary is based upon the ineptitude of our front office and ownership.

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January 8, 2022 2:25 pm
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You’re a Kings season ticket sales rep. What is your pitch?

We don’t enforce the mask mandate, but there are so few people in the arena, you still won’t get sick!

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January 8, 2022 2:35 pm
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We’re still doing the mini ball toss.

You’re a Kings season ticket sales rep. What is your pitch?

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January 8, 2022 2:43 pm
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We’re putting Washington Generals on our uniforms next year, so you can root for the opponent every night in a beautiful arena.

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January 8, 2022 6:17 pm
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Last night looked like a Globetrotters v Generals game

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January 9, 2022 10:43 am
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Barf bags in every seat!

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January 8, 2022 1:07 pm

Boston is struggling right now and they aren’t trading the Kings Brown for Fox, but if Stevens calls up and offers Smart, an expiring Schroder, a disappointing Nesmith and lottery protected 2022 for Fox, do you take it?

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January 8, 2022 2:57 pm
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Nope.

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January 8, 2022 3:07 pm
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Do you think the Kings could get more for Fox than they did for DMC? DMC basically landed the Kings Buddy and the #10 pick.

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January 8, 2022 3:18 pm
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Yes. Fox is a better citizen, I think more talent evaluators think he’s more valuable on the court, he’s younger and still has 4 years left on his deal.

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January 8, 2022 3:30 pm
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I think his contract hurts ! A lot of teams have no room and others no need !

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January 8, 2022 3:33 pm
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Better citizen for sure, but I’m not sure he’s more valuable on the court. DMC was at his peak averaging 27, 10 and 5. It’s crazy to think, but DMC was a better 3pt shooter than Fox. DMC still had another year on his deal and the Pels controlled his rights so I’m not sure that’s a big difference. He was 2 years older than Fox is now.

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January 8, 2022 4:44 pm
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That was a good deal too. I think the kings are hiding the stupid toxic stuff knowing that will kill the trade market,

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