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Pacers hire Rick Carlisle
After leaving the Mavericks with two years left on his contract, Rick Carlisle has agreed to a new contract with the Indiana Pacers.
Pacers worked quietly and quickly to get a deal done with Rick Carlisle. Team had planned to start interviews with several candidates in Chicago this week. Carlisle was a top assistant to Larry Bird early in his coaching career with Pacers. https://t.co/Hf1POaqEFp
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 24, 2021
Carlisle is a top tier NBA coach and should help the Pacers as they attempt to break out of the lower-end of the Eastern playoff bracket.
Carlisle was an assistant coach for the Pacers under Larry Bird, and was the Pacers head coach from 2003-2007.
Mavericks hire Kidd and go full Kangz
The Dallas Mavericks are hiring Jason Kidd as their new head coach and Nico Harrison as their new GM. Harrison comes from a position as a Nike executive.
Dallas Mavericks and Jason Kidd reached an agreement on a four-year deal to become the franchise’s next head coach, league sources tell @YahooSports.
— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) June 25, 2021
Nico Harrison will serve as the Mavs‘ new General Manager and run basketball operations, sources said. https://t.co/WK2pUKtZ6y
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 25, 2021
Nico Harrison has been pursued for several front office jobs in recent years but thus far remained at Nike. He’s well respected and well connected to many of the game’s best players. https://t.co/3PCZxeDf9a
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 25, 2021
As Jason Kidd begins to assemble his coaching staff, with his formal hiring as Mavericks head coach apparently imminent, 2011 title-team teammates JJ Barea and Jason Terry certainly appear to be strong candidates to rejoin the organization.
“I hope,” Barea says.
— Brad Townsend (@townbrad) June 25, 2021
Let’s take a quick moment to note all the ways that Mark Cuban has gone full Kangz in the last couple of weeks:
- Had an analytics-centric outsider disrupt basketball operations
- Drove away successful lifelong basketball people
- Surrounded himself with players from the good old days as advisors
- Hired a friend of said advisors to be head coach despite a bad track record of mistreating women and being a bad basketball coach
- Hired a coach before a GM
- Hired a GM with zero front office experience
- Filled out the staff with other players from the good old days despite no prior experience
Could things work out in Dallas? Sure. But it is never encouraging to see another team go full Kangz.
Trail Blazer hire Chauncey Billups
The Blazers decided to replace Terry Stotts with Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups.
The Portland Trail Blazers are hiring Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups as their new head coach, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 26, 2021
Billups was a favorite of Blazers star Damian Lillard. It’s a big risk by the Blazers to replace an established and winning coach like Terry Stotts with a relative unknown like Billups. A first time head coach could be a huge success or a huge miss, and only time will tell.
Minnesota Timberwolves add assistant coaches
The Wolves rounded out Chris Finch’s coaching staff. Among the additions are former Kings assistant coach Micah Nori.
NEWS: @Timberwolves Announce Assistant Coaches
Full Release: https://t.co/YhTbRJOU0a
— Timberwolves PR (@Twolves_PR) June 25, 2021
Mavericks hire Kidd and go full Kangz
I really love to see that……….
They took advantage on us…..(they wanted Doncic so hard, but did not make that “Hawk’s deal” with us)
Just can’t wait to see Doncic force his way out of Dallas
-Fired ex-GM
-Bad coach (Kidd)
-No help to him from current roster
I am not enthusiastic about the moves the Mavs made, but I find it hard to understand the schadenfreude by some Kings fans.
Harrison is allegedly respected around the league and was previously pursued by other teams.
And as much as I dislike Kidd, his coaching record is still better than (or more accurately; not as bad as) Walton’s (.491 vs .410).
Let’s see how they do next season.
Am I wrong to assume they made these moves to actually make Luka happy?
Apparently, Luka has a strong relationship with Jamahl Mosley, and the assumption was that he wanted Mosley to be promoted. Could be speculation, for all I know.
Like I said above…they took advantage on us….
Why was it hard or surprise to understand the schadenfreude by some Kings fans…
How exacy did they take advantage of us? Am i missing something?
Yes, you are. And, like a big slimey booger hangiin’ out of your nose, it’s obvious to everyone but you.
My guess would be that Dal made the offer to the Kings, but the Kings did not want to drop to 5, fearing that Bagley would go 3-4. Sigh.
This is what scares me Rob: The Kings organization is trying to win.
Yeah, this has been perhaps the worst part.
I think this has always been the most disheartening piece in my eyes. They are actually attempting to win and keep failing over and over again in the exact same ways.
A lot of barf.
So many good candidates would have been available to the Kings while other teams soak up this interesting (to be as nice as possible) collection!
Carlisle to Pacers, Kidd to Mavericks, Billups to Trail Blazers… Walton to… be fired?
The Suns – Kings alliance is no more. How about the House of Mavericks – Kings?
No sadly the kings are alone on this trek now. We have been left in the wastelands by all. Even Dolan has found his way out. The kings are solidly the worst team in the league top to bottom now.
Mostly top.
The rest of the league continues to attempt to improve their teams. Meanwhile…
Kings: “I think we’ll just sit here in our wet fart and hope no one notices.”
Mavs: “Here Kings, hold my beer.”
As much as these are undoubtedly kangz moves the mavs are doing there is one huge difference. Mark Cuban. Man likes to win has won a championship and has spent more years in the playoffs with that team since he’s owned it than almost any owner in the league. The main difference is if this is his call and his gut going full kangz, he will quickly make the moves necessary to gut the front office and get back to relevance even before we do. As long as we have the ð¤ð¼-con nothing changes.
If it wasn’t for Dirk and now Luka, Cuban would be a Vivek.
If it wasn’t for Magic and Kobe, if it wasn’t for Robinson and Duncan, if it wasn’t for Jordan and Pippen. if it wasn’t for McHale and Bird…
You missed my point. Cuban never paired Dirk with a star. The 2011 ship was all Dirk with a bunch of over the hill former stars. So far, Cuban is following the same recipe with Luka.
Jordan had Pip
Bird had Mchale
Duncan had Robinson, Manu, Leonard, Parker
So I don’t get your point in reference to my original comment.
You still don’t get it! We know.
And if Vivek drafted Fox, Luka, and Haliburton in succession we’d be erecting a statue of him in a couple decades. Results matter, not hypotheticals.
Cuban has been far from perfect, but the original point is correct. Winning cures all and he has a ring and countless playoff runs to show he’s willing to do what’s necessary to succeed, even if the path is messy and could’ve resulted in even more hypothetical wins.
Every Owner/GM is wiling to do what it takes to win, that doesn’t make them good at their jobs.
ð¤ð¼-con has always been willing just apparently never able to. Which is strange 29 others can at least once in the last 7/8 years but he can’t?
Great job identifying one false pillar of knowledge which has you so misled. Vivek is willing to do what it takes to;
1) satisfy his ego
2) enhance his pubic image
3) hang out with cool celebrities
Vivek doesn’t want the Kings to win unless he was the architect, because; See goal # 1.
Have yourself a “like”for:
Where is Luke going. Oh, that’s right, nowhere. Nobody wants him but the KANGZ.
We should definitely have a new coach as well.
Cuban has been known to roll the dice and it usually works out for him. Cuban will also completely dismantle the organization in a heartbeat if it does not work.
Kangz culture is a life commitment that never changes¦..
Kangz culture is a life commitment to Vivek’s ego that never changes …
Becky Hammon to the Kings. Prove me wrong. Take advantage of the Blazers screwup in hiring Billups! Get rid of Lose Walton.
I think Hammon should rightfully remain in S.A. and take over for Pop once he retires. He can’t have too many more years left in him. I feel the job is hers to be had.
How is Billips a screwup? He was one of the best on-the-floor coaches in the league for a decade. I’d be thrilled to have him here.
Hard to call it a screwup when this is his first opportunity as a HC.
But I think the counter-argument is Hammon was also one of the best on the floor coaches for more than a decade, plus has more assistant coaching experience in a better system.
Historically better system, yes. But I think the game has maybe passed Pop by to some degree. Granted he’s had less talent, but it’s something I’d be questioning, unfortunately.
I wouldn’t. Player “on-the-floor” coaching, whatever that is, isn’t actual coaching. The Kings need someone who has actual coaching experience in a great system, not taking a flyer on another coaching newbie.
Then stick with Luke. Warriors and Lakers are great systems.
Not really. The only time Luke can be equated with a good system or “winning” is when he handled the Warriors in place of Steve Kerr. Unfortunately, because of that super team you could have been brain dead and coached that team to the championship.
Lose Walton isn’t a good coach.
He’s considered a disciple of Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr. My point was bad coaches come from good systems all the time.
I haven’t seen Vanterpool’s name mentioned as a favorite for any of the remaining open HC positions. Can we at least make him an offer to replace Kalamian as Gentry’s defensive counterpart?
Jamahl Mosley might be available.
Notice Lilliard did not push for Vanderpool to get Blazers job after trashing TWolves for not hiring him ! A bit hypocritical at best !
Welp, there goes my backup team.
I know Blazers fans are not happy.
I just read this article over at Blazers Edge.
In Their Own Words: Five Women Offer Thoughts on Chauncey Billups Hire – Blazer’s Edge (blazersedge.com)
That is a powerful read that everyone should click on and read through.
Don’t know what knuckledragger posters on this site downvoted you. Have an upvote. It’s a powerful read.
I almost wonder if it’s personal given that I got more thumbs down than Rik, who actually shared the link.
You said something mean about Texas awhile back. The red state snowflakes have no sense of humor. I’ll downvoted for this. Also Florida.
Wow.
Having lived in Portland for most of the Jail Blazer era, this could really hurt them in terms of $. Attendance really slid during the latter part of that era & I could see the same thing happening again (though I doubt the relocation rumors that were prevalent during the latter part of that era will happen again).
No Joerger? What a shock. Not even an interview? I guess that 39 Kings win season wasn’t as heralded as some thought, and Mr prickly insubordination may never get another job again (especially now with the deference to not hire white males, don’t get me started..)
The league is 75% black. From 2001-14, 37% of head coaches were black. As of this season, 74% of coaches were white and 27% of coaches were black, with one asian head coach.
Stop being such a victim.
Yeah, don’t get started.
Then don’t reply to it
You, and the sock puppet accounts that you used to roll with in the STR days, have had a long-running propensity for saying dumb, reactionary shit around these parts for years, and most of the time, you’re ignored, but when you start bringing your bootlicking “woes of the white male” bullshit around, you can pack it right the fuck up and move along. This isn’t the place for it, and 99% of the people here don’t agree with you.
Id call you a name, but you need to keep your stuff to yourself. You have had the propensity of attacking viewpoints that you disagree with, and you have no clue who agrees with you.
Its not going anywhere.
Joerger, despite not being a good coach, IMO will be hurt this and the coming few years for being a white male. You can see the pattern with who has already been hired this year, and its to a purposeful response by the players association and others to “make” the coaching ranks more diverse instead of letting the market dictate itself
No, its 100% pertinent to why Joerger might not get a job
74% white coaches, 27% black and maybe that shifted a few percentage points with Stotts to Billups and Stephens to Udoka, in a league where 74% of the players are black. What exactly are you crying about? Why exactly is 8-10 black coaches in a league with 30 teams too many? How is having 19-21 white coaches not enough? Please enlighten us.
This was the first year past the intended inclination to make the coaching less white male. This summer the hiring percentages are opposite. It will affect Joerger
Hopefully we can get to a place where folks are hired on their merits
Hopefully we can get to a place where folks are hired on their merits
This country has yet to reach this goal, and that failure has overwhelmingly benefitted white males.
According to you. As far as Im concerned people hire who they think will do the best jobs for their own security now
what does “trying to make things fair” equals when race is already largely not at play
Racism against whites
Well, according to history. But you’re not moving off of Plymouth Rock anytime soon, so I will leave you to your own worries of centuries of white male self-entitlement being (way too) slowly eroded away in the name of equality.
As of this summer whites are at a distinct disadvantage, which I know you don’t see or support along with others on this thread
Only question is whether this is the new norm or a summer inspired by the latest happenings
Here’s how I see things as of this summer:
My son earned a partial scholarship to Boston College as his entryway into pediatric medicine. The rest is being picked up by the family, a family that has indeed worked hard to earn what it has, but also a white family that has not been burdened with overcoming bigotry and racism (and a family that probably should have earned even more had the females been given an even shake in the work force). There is no doubt that he has earned his opportunity, but as I remind him…
Somewhere in Meadowview or Del Paso Heights or Rio Linda there is a kid or kids that are just as sharp as he is, but because their families were not afforded the same opportunities as our family (that is, the simple opportunity to be on a level playing field and improve their standing as we have ours), those kids are not in a financial position to get to Boston College, and the infrastructure around them, decades in the making, do not support their efforts either, at least not to the degree that my son enjoyed growing up in a strong Rocklin school district and in a family that could work its schedule around his events and opportunities.
Socio-economically, the deck is stacked against people of color, and this is the result of centuries of white male entitlement. Women get the short end of the stick as well, a byproduct of not being treated as equals to men for centuries.
“Racism against whites” is the steroidal version of when I see Lakers fans that think they should get whatever they want because, you know, they’re Lakers fans. They’ve always had it a little better than everyone else and it should stay that way, right?
As I tell my son, don’t feel guilty for the opportunity that you have earned, especially since your advantageous standing as a white male in this country is not of your making, but make the most of it, because you have been dealt a hand in this country that most people of color and/or women would love to have. And when you “arrive” professionally, maybe take a look at what you can do to help level that playing field a little moving forward.
In closing, I have been white for 62 years in this country, and I have enjoyed opportunities and access and courtesy that many of my female friends and friends of color either have been denied or have had to work harder for. And that’s just not right. Never has been. Never will be. And as of this summer, white males still hold a distinct advantage in this country, and by a wide, wide, wide margin.
thanks for your take
It’s a matter of opinion. I see, as of 2020, largely a post racial setting where owners, GMs, really are not pontificating the color of who they are hiring already. They are worried about their own security and will hire the best choice to cover their own azzes.
now if we add that to the social pressure of not hiring white men. Making GMs/ownerships think twice on hiring a white man simply due to that, I think you can see where I think things are.
I think as of now this summer where you can see two white coaches hired, who have bullet proof histories, and the rest folks of color can be a temporary over correction, but hopefully it goes a little more smoothly after this
When you’re accustomed to preference, equality feels like discrimination.
I agree with you on this, and think this would naturally lead to there being more black coaches in a league that is overwhelmingly filled with black players.
I agree, especially as it pertains to filling the coaching position of the Sacramento Kings.
Hired, or FIRED on their merits…
It’s not a function of that. We’ve covered that African Americans are more gifted athletically
it’s a function of coaching in the country. Who are the pee wee/high school/college coaches. College coaches are mainly white as well
No, you’ve covered the gross, groundless generalization that Black people are “more gifted athletically”. No need to bring anyone else into that, because nobody else has said it.
Your theory completely gives strength to Rob’s statement on privilege; generally, young Black people are given far fewer avenues to success that their white peers are, often being shown a career in sports or entertainment as the only viable options for their future. That’s as deep as it gets. Studies upon studies have been conducted on your baseless theory, and each and every time they’ve come up to prove that the myth of the overly-dominant Black athlete is, well, an unsubstantiated myth.
EDIT: Also, be honest here; if you’re so concerned with racism in the NBA’s coaching ranks, then why wait until now to speak up about it? Why weren’t you this vocal about all of the qualified Black coaches that have been passed up for gigs all these years? Did that not bother you?
Zero Asian, Hispanic or Native Americans even interviewed ! Diversity ?
Part of me wonders if my “caucasian-sounding” name has helped get me into some job interviews.
Another part of me wonders if, once they actually saw me in person (not caucasian) during the interview, that they saw me as a way to fill a hiring quota?
Another part of me just wonders why anyone would hire me.
Not sure if this is supposed to be snarky, but I never said “diversity.” I merely pointed out to the person watching a lot of Tucker Carlson that the great majority of NBA head coaches are white guys. I don’t think you should hire coaches based on skin color, white or black. Given the numbers, it kind of seems like that’s been happening anyway, from the beginning of the league.
I’m all for everyone qualified getting a fair shot, and as I said, the white coach (and front office) to black player ratio seems pretty skewed, but I don’t think you have to fill out a racial bingo card to hire an NBA coach.
You should on the other hand, interview more than one person, especially if said person is the incompetent dope son of a lifelong goof ball.
(Also, for the kids in their 30s, “dope” used to mean bad. And for the kids in their 40s, “bad” used to mean bad.)
There may be something of an under the table Rooney Rule thing going on in the NBA, who knows. I personally think the Rooney Rule is a joke and should be done away with. Merit should earn one a job, irregardless of race or gender. And to me in the NFL and NBA, the whole diversity’ thing is relegated to White and Black coaches. If there was a true push for diversity, there’d be a lot more non-Black and non-White coaches and female coaches as well. But I don’t see many Asian, Latin, Arab, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc. coaches on the sidelines. So both the NBA and NFL can get lost with their so called push for diversity, it rings hollow from what I observe.
Grant Napear preaching diversity? That’s rich!
Psst
So the parody bit decided to drop the parody part.
“Merit should earn one a job” is the true calling card of the racist white male.
This country has never had that philosophy, and rules like the Rooney Rule (as flawed as it might be) are at least an attempt to allow the most meritous to get a freaking job.
All Coaches Matter.
To be fair, the original definition of merit is son of golfing buddy at the all white country club.
This is, for real, some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen posted. How did this site get confused for a Proud Boy meeting…?
Is that four playoff teams that have changed head coaches? And we’re 12th in the conference but keeping the same knucklehead because “basketball reasons?”
So many good candidates this offseason. And still good ones available yet we are sticking with a coach whose record as a coach speaks for itself and to what we can expect in terms of wins and losses next season.
tHe pLaYeRs LiKe hIm.
A coach the allows them to not play defense or actually play in a system is a great friend of the players.
and not quite as important the ownership group like their bottom line by keeping Walton around for one more year
All the dysfunction so eloquently summarized in one paragraph.
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
Yeah, I find it to be perfectly Kangz that we’re keeping a coach who has never sniffed a winning season in his head coaching career because the players (many of whom have few to no playoff appearances on their resumes) like him.
I seem to remember Lillard blasting the T Wolves for not hiring David Vanderpool ! Seems he did not push Blazers to hire him ! A bit hypocritical !
Since Richard Nixon was elected President the Kings have employed 24 different coaches (with Phil Johnson and Jerry Reynolds getting 2 cracks at the coconut) so 26 coaching changes¦I have compiled a list of all the coaches who had an above 500 record for the Kings.
Cotton Fitzsimmons
Rick Adelman
Dame wants out of Portland. How about Fox and the ninth pick?
No thank you
May I ask why? Is it age related or contract related? Bc those are the only two things I would need to consider before calling that in to the league office as fast as I could. Not that I think Dame would Ok that trade.
And I like Fox a lot.
As good as he’s been, they have very similar numbers at the same points in their career but Dame has always been a better shooter.
I think Fox is still improving as a shooter and with the massive age gap I’d rather stick with him.
I wouldn’t do fox for Dame straight up.
Here we go again. You want a top five player in the NBA? Hell no, especially not for Fox and Franz. This is why Sacramento can’t have nice things.
Top 5? Lol c’mon bro
It’s almost certainly going to take A LOT more than that.
Weird that Carlisle left the Mavs with 2 years remaining. He either didn’t like coaching Luka. Or Luka didn’t like him coaching.
Well, that or any combination of the various reasons that have been broadly reported and confirmed by multiple sources. You don’t actually have to speculate. The information is easily available. Assuming, of course, you’re actually interested in it.
Funny, I look it up, and both articles mention his relationship with Doncic as one of the various reasons. You’re right, it was easily available.
And also…
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