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20Q: Can Marvin Bagley stay healthy?

The former #2 overall pick is entering his third season, with a plethora of looming questions to resolve.

Welcome to 20Q, a variation on our usual 30Q series. With the abbreviated time until the season begins, we'll just do 20 questions this season finishing up right before the season begins on December 22nd.

The sum of myriad questions encompassing Marvin Bagley’s third season in the NBA is at the forefront for the Sacramento Kings. The former second overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft has seen his career derailed with various injuries, all affecting distinct parts of his body. As we witnessed last season specifically, Bagley failed to assemble a string of games together before a fresh injury spoiled a potential run; the same situation prevailed before the commencement of the Orlando Bubble. 

So, can Bagley stay healthy? Before Bagley can patch up the expectations that arrive as a #2 overall pick, maintaining good health is the foundation for any potential success this season, if any. But what other questions loom for Sacramento’s biggest mystery box?

Positing that Bagley can endure the game’s physicality, the complications of Bagley’s positional situation remain imperative in discussing his potential contributions this season. Can he prove he can attach a reliable three-point shot to his promising interior game? While last season accompanies small sample sizes for Bagley, his 15% (3/20) three-point percentage is quietly distressing. Bagley can certainly be effective without a materialized three-point jumper, but his game could ascend to the next level if that rocket launches.  

Can he defend the more towering bigs of the league and develop into a consistent, switchable defender? Bagley moves well for a 6’11” big, but those are two key defensive aspects of his game he must unlock to contribute on that end of the floor.    

This season bears substantial consequences for both the Kings and Bagley depending on how things progress during the season. If Bagley can stay healthy, the Kings can feel good about including Bagley in the potential triumvirate young core of De’Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton, with the possible insertion of another talented prospect in a deep 2021 draft class.

However, if last season replicates itself, the waters become significantly murky; Bagley’s contract contains an $11,312,114 club option at the end of the year. Former general manager Vlade Divac exercised Bagley’s option in October 2019, but if obtrusive injuries continue to linger, Monte McNair could have an interesting situation on his hands - one that involves the shadow of his infamous predecessor.

A return to health could completely change the narratives around Marvin Bagley, but another season lost to injuries could cement a different narrative forever.

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PatFenis
December 2, 2020 8:21 am

The craziest thing I keep hearing is people saying yes, he should be fine to start the season. He sprained his ankle like 18 months ago. If it’s even questionable, that’s a huge red flag.

Adamsite
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December 2, 2020 8:29 am
Reply to  PatFenis

Was it even an ankle? Last I heard it was a “foot injury.” Did we ever get an actual medical diagnosis from when he injured his foot while in the bubble? Hell, it could have been a stress fracture for all I know.

PatFenis
December 2, 2020 8:47 am
Reply to  Adamsite

I honestly don’t even know. They were always vague with any details. I was just exaggerating.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 9:29 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Sprained foot is the most detail I can find.

Which can be a lingering issue, and can also easily be code or a common early misdiagnosis for a stress fracture.

Hobby916
December 2, 2020 9:47 am
Reply to  Adamsite

With all of these medical professionals and state of the art equipment for MRI’s, X-ray, CT scan, etc., it baffles me that a possible misdiagnosis can still happen. Millions of dollars are on the line, and it needs to done accurately.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 10:59 am
Reply to  Hobby916

Good medicine stills says to assume the most likely differential diagnosis. Usually, they would assume spring then, if it doesn’t heal the way a sprain should, then they look deeper (ie. do more imagining).

sonny
December 2, 2020 2:04 pm

I know you meant imaging…

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 2:19 pm
Reply to  sonny

Ha. Yes. And maybe a little imagining. Nothing better than a physician with an imagination.

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December 2, 2020 10:26 am
Reply to  Adamsite

If I recall correctly, both Bagley and Holmes were given vague injuries and they said they would be day-to-day/minor injuries, and then after going a long time not hearing anything they all of a sudden came out with “oh, they actually sustained this injury and will be out for a long time.”

9sac8
December 2, 2020 8:24 am

No! On to 19Q.

Adamsite
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December 2, 2020 8:27 am

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ZillersCat
December 3, 2020 7:40 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Scary, he does remind of Mr Glass!
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RAP87
December 2, 2020 8:41 am

Its make or break time for Bagley. For his sake I do hope he stays healthy for the majority of the season. If not, Monte has an interesting situation in his hands.. Do you package Bagley with one of the remaining vets in Buddy, Cojo and Barnes? Or do you keep him and sign him to a decent contract ala Stephen Curry during his first rookie extension.

Adamsite
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December 2, 2020 8:53 am
Reply to  RAP87

He needs to hire whoever Curry hired to help him strengthen his ankles.

RAP87
December 2, 2020 9:01 am
Reply to  Adamsite

I’m not sure though if the problem is his ankle. I think its the foot which is really concerning since Bagley relies on his athleticism rather than skill.

AmateurNerd
December 2, 2020 10:21 am
Reply to  RAP87

The problem is not just his foot, or ankle, or any one piece. It’s the entire system, from back to legs to knees to ankles to feet. Remember, he had a significant back injury his rookie season.

Dirkula
December 2, 2020 9:21 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Ankles, health…

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Hippity_Hop_Barbershop
December 2, 2020 8:49 am

Does Sean Bean survive his movies?

aplumley
December 2, 2020 8:51 am

Honestly, it’s more than health that he needs to show to be worth picking up that option. There needs to be reason to believe he’ll ever be worth that much. So far he hasn’t shown it. It really is a pivotal season for him. He has to stay healthy and prove he’s more than a rotational player with a good left hand and is bouncy. He’s definitely got some elite skills, but also some glaring weaknesses. His defense needs to tighten up and he needs to not be such a ball stopper.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 9:31 am
Reply to  aplumley

This is really my question. I agree that clearly staying healthy is step 1, as without that nothing else matters. But then, once healthy, he needs to show that he can be more than a one-way athletic play finisher, one dribble close-out attacker, and rebounder.

Otis
December 2, 2020 9:51 am
Reply to  aplumley

He certainly didn’t show it last season. But I’d argue he showed something his rookie year (under a decent HC, for sure).

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 9:55 am
Reply to  Otis

He showed some usefulness. And I’m confident a healthy Bagley will be a useful NBA finisher and rebounder. What I’m waiting so see is some decent evidence that his ceiling is higher than “skinny Zach Randolph.”

Otis
December 2, 2020 10:20 am

Yeah, completely agree. We really do need him to be much more than that, even.

aplumley
December 2, 2020 11:08 am

If his ceiling is Zach Randolph, you keep him all day. If his ceiling is Tristan Thompson…move on.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:22 am
Reply to  aplumley

Sure, depending on the cost and how much you can convince him to play a team-oriented role. Randolph spent most of his career as an overpaid, high-usage/low-efficiency chucker. His only real standout skill was his rebounding.

RORDOG
December 2, 2020 12:37 pm

minor correction: The Ringer said one of Bagley comps was “Slim Zach Randolph”

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 1:10 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

It’s still the best comp I’ve seen in terms of impact on a game.

RobHessing
December 2, 2020 9:02 am

Bagley’s longest game streak is 21, and those were the first 21 games of his career. His next longest streak is 20, which came roughly midway through his rookie season. Since March 2019 he has been unable to string more than 9 games. Here’s hoping for a 180 degree turn in Bagley’s health.

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 9:49 am
Reply to  RobHessing

A guy could really injure his leg doing a quick 180.

RobHessing
December 2, 2020 10:24 am
Reply to  andy_sims

Or in Bagley’s case, un-injure it.

Klam
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December 2, 2020 10:36 am
Reply to  RobHessing

“Perhaps we can help you un-injure that leg.”
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Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 10:42 am
Reply to  Klam

Sounds like he got off the wrong foot to start his career.

Kosta
December 2, 2020 1:30 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

I’m not a huge Bagley fan right now, but that 180 alley-oop dunk still amazes me when I think about it.

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 6:21 pm
Reply to  Kosta

The ease with which he did it was stunning. I’m not sure that everyone realized how difficult it was. Just effortless.

NinjaFetus
December 2, 2020 9:06 am

I think half of the 20Q’s could be about Bagley himself.

Obviously, he needs a huge improvement in staying healthy. Next, he needs to show he’s actually been working on improving his game so he doesn’t just rely solely on his athletic ability. Bulking up some to handle being in the paint some would also be nice since he’s missed so much time. Lastly, he needs to not develop into WCS where he thinks he deserves something without putting in the work. These all need to be conditions meet before his next option is picked up.

RORDOG
December 2, 2020 9:06 am

This part is a bit confusing:

However, if last season replicates itself, the waters become significantly murky; Bagley’s contract contains an $11,312,114 club option at the end of the year. Former general manager Vlade Divac exercised Bagley’s option in October 2019, but if obtrusive injuries continue to linger, Monte McNair could have an interesting situation on his hands – one that involves the shadow of his infamous predecessor.

Are you saying that you think there’s a possibility that McNair won’t exercise Bagley’s club option for 2021-2022? That seems like a pretty far-fetched scenario. I think the deadline to exercise club options for players on rookie scale contracts needs to be made at the end of this month.

Adamsite
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December 2, 2020 9:27 am
Reply to  RORDOG

If that is the case, I don’t see how they don’t pick up that option. The only way I see that scenario happening is if Bagley injures himself pretty badly in camp or preseason.

RORDOG
December 2, 2020 9:44 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Typically, the decision needs to be made at the end of October. That’s basically like 5 games into the season. I assume that means the deadline will be the end of December this year, but I haven’t seen anything official. Point being, they won’t be able to see how this season plays out before deciding on the club option. His health this season will have an impact on the decision to offer an extension next offseason. My gut feeling is that all party’s will find it beneficial to let Bagley become a RFA though.

Kingsguru21
December 2, 2020 1:02 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I was going to make this point. All rookie scale, i.e. 1st round picks, are picked up a year prior to the players actually playing that season.

In otherwords, you pick up a rookie option for the 3rd season after the rookie year and the 4th year option after the 2nd year (or in the next month, whenever the deadline is).

Sanjesh got this one wrong. Via that Larry guy:

Teams have until the October 31 preceding the player’s second regular season to exercise their option for the player’s third season. Likewise, they have until the October 31 preceding the player’s third regular season to exercise their option for the player’s fourth season (see question number 57 for more information on options). If the team invokes both options (keeping the player for all four seasons) and submits a qualifying offer after the fourth season, then the player becomes a restricted free agent (see question number 42 for more information on restricted free agency). If the team declines either option, then the player enters free agency as an unrestricted free agent.

Here’s the link (it won’t let me link it normally on my tablet): http://cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q47

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RORDOG
December 2, 2020 1:57 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

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Kingsguru21
December 2, 2020 3:35 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I didnt say anything about cable you obnoxious fake Bratz.

RORDOG
December 2, 2020 5:26 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

a lot of people don’t know that Larry the Cable Guy is a CBA expert.

Kingsguru21
December 2, 2020 6:54 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I have done been learned correctly.

You’re still an obnoxious fake Bratz though.

Kingsguru21
December 2, 2020 3:12 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I see no way they don’t pick up the option on Bagley.

Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 9:48 am

At this point, I won’t hold my breath. But I still consider him part of the young “core.” I do hope he turns it around though.

Also not saying this is or will be indicative of his career but Greg Oden has played more games than Bagley in his first two playing seasons than Bagley has. It’s somewhat concerning.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 9:52 am
Reply to  Timmy_13

At the moment, I think Kings “young core” consists entirely of Fox. Hopefully Haliburton and Bagley show that he belongs in there too. Obviously, Woodard and Ramsey showing out would be great too, but I’m not going to hold my breath on them forcing their way into the “core” discussion in their first season.

Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 10:18 am

Agreed, and I still think Bagley is talented. Just very raw. The next two seasons may determine who he really is or will be.

Excited about Woodard and Ramsey and I hope they turn out to be great role players.

jwalker1395
December 2, 2020 11:29 am
Reply to  Timmy_13

I keep dreaming of Ramsey becoming a microwave oven 6th man coming off the bench behind Fox and Tyrese while Woodard develops into a starting caliber 3 and D type. If Bagley can stay healthy and realize his true potential, that’s a real strong start on a future contender. But then again…..that’s a lot of “Ifs.”

itsjabby
December 2, 2020 9:56 am
Reply to  Timmy_13

How many games did each team play last season?

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 10:10 am
Reply to  itsjabby

All of them.

Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 10:12 am
Reply to  itsjabby

71-75 games

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 10:19 am
Reply to  itsjabby

Yeah, there’s a little manipulation in there. First using the first two “playing” seasons. Obviously, Oden sat out his entire first season. Basically, in their first two seasons, Bagley played 75 of 154 possible. Oden played 61 of 164 possible in his first 2 seasons. And 82 of 164 in his first 2 “playing” seasons.

So the details aren’t fully accurate, but the fact that there’s even a comparison to be made is sad.

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RobHessing
December 2, 2020 10:31 am

I “like” to use the Sam Bowie comparison, as the Jordan / Doncic component makes for a nice dose of lemon juice in the open wound. Bagley has played in 75 / 154 games over his first two seasons, or 48.7%. Bowie played in 114 / 164, or 69.5%.

Separate but related, LeBron James has averaged 76 / 82 games over his 17 year career (not counting playoffs), an amazeballs 92.6%. He has only missed >10 games in a season twice, and >20 games once. Jeebus!

RobHessing
December 2, 2020 10:37 am
Reply to  RobHessing

And while we’re at it, Buddy Hield has played in 314 / 316 games (99.4%!), including the last 219 straight. Hield’s current streak is more than 10x Bagley’s best streak.

Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 10:41 am
Reply to  RobHessing

Sam Bowie is also a good comparison. Honestly just makes you sigh every time you hear about that.

Also Buddy Hield is insane.

RikSmits
December 2, 2020 10:51 am
Reply to  Timmy_13

Don’t forget Pervis “out of service” Ellison, 110 games in his first two seasons.

Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 11:43 am
Reply to  RikSmits

How good of a player was Pervis? I never really looked into his career as he was one of those #1 picks who never really truly justified where they were picked.

AmateurNerd
December 2, 2020 1:51 pm
Reply to  Timmy_13

Sam Bowie is a bad comparison, actually. Bowie played in a far higher percentage of games than Bagley has. Womp womp womp.

Kosta
December 2, 2020 1:35 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

Hield could possibly be the one to break Jason Thompson’s all-time record of 541 games played as a Sacramento King in a couple of years if he doesn’t get traded or get ________________.

(I dare not jinx it by mentioning the other horrible possibility)

Timmy_13
December 2, 2020 10:39 am

Yea and I know that it’s kinda clickbaity to put that in but it just puts into perspective the gravity of his injuries, and yes it is sad and I really fully wish that he eventually becomes an all-star caliber player.

Gregoryl
December 2, 2020 9:57 am

In my opinion, this is the our most important question. IF he can stay healthy, he should be a 15/10 guy, easy and a big part of the future. If not, he needs to go.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 10:26 am
Reply to  Gregoryl

The thing is “15/10” doesn’t mean much without know how many shots it took him to get those 15, how he works in the flow of the overall offense, how he impacts the defensive end, etc. I have no doubt he can put up 15/10. I wonder if he can put up 15/10 in a way that positively impact overall team performance.

RikSmits
December 2, 2020 10:28 am

Right, Hassan Whiteside is a 15.5/13.5 guy; so basically that would make Bagley worth less than a one year minimum deal guy?

People need to stop focusing on counting stats.

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BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:03 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Good examples of out-of-context “15/10” guys are Enes Kanter and Jahlil Okafor.

rockbottom
December 2, 2020 10:26 am

If feet and ankles are an issue the best part of his game is in jeopardy – quick 2nd jump !

BeTheBall
December 2, 2020 10:26 am

Hopefully he can get in at least 50 games this year to provide some rest minutes for our main bigs. That’s my mark for a successful season from him. Mainly because I’ve seen nothing from him that shows he’ll ever be more than a mid-to-back of bench player.

TitleChaser
December 2, 2020 10:29 am

Well, Bagley’s health and development should at least help us determine if we need something closer to a true rebuild, or if it really will be just a “soft reset.” As good as I hope Fox will be, I can’t imagine he will ever be good enough to carry the team without at least a second All-Star beside him. Bagley’s got the talent to be that good— at least a 20-10 guy— if he can realize it. If he can’t, we’re likely staying mediocre to bad for quite awhile, short of getting a star in the upcoming draft and Halliburton exceeding expectations.

RikSmits
December 2, 2020 10:48 am
Reply to  TitleChaser

As I said, people need to stop focusing on counting stats. Derek Coleman was a 20-10 guy and not conductive to winning basketball.

Too long ago? Andre Drummond averaged 17.7 and 15.2 and he’s a 2-time All-Star; but good luck building a team around him.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:07 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Derick Coleman was the best player on a playoff team 3 of his first 4 seasons! And made the playoffs 7 times.

But, yes, judging players by out-of-context PPG is silly.

RikSmits
December 2, 2020 11:17 am

Having his best season at 45 wins and losing the first round in these 3 season is not what I really view as winning basketball. But YMMV.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:26 am
Reply to  RikSmits

I mean, it’s above .500 and making the playoffs. It’s definitively winning and significantly more “winning basketball” than anything we’ve glimpsed in Sacramento in nearly decade and a half.

RikSmits
December 2, 2020 11:45 am

Yes, like I said, YMMV. And using the Kings as bar is the lowest of low bars. Unfortunately.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:54 am
Reply to  RikSmits

My point is really that, while Coleman was certainly not a great player, I think the narrative has gotten a bit out of control. To use another player in this thread, he was much better than Zach Randolph. Basically, he was equally inefficient with his scoring and an equivalent rebounder, but was a much better passer and defender.

BigDrewbot
December 2, 2020 4:22 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Now that’s a bar we might be able to climb over!

Otis
December 2, 2020 12:10 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a winner, just means he wasn’t a superstar. Kind of like IT or Mitch Richmond. The teams they played on would have been worse without them.

Want2win
December 2, 2020 11:54 am
Reply to  RikSmits

I have been hard on Bagley and truly hope he gets healthy, and has a great season so he can get out from the shadow of Doncic. I know he won’t ever be a Doncic impact type player, but hope it won’t sting as badly if he develops. My fear is something you are alluding too, I don’t think he is a guy that makes a team better, he doesn’t look to pass, he doesn’t set screens, he seems to a be a all about my stats type of player. I hope I am wrong..

TitleChaser
December 2, 2020 12:00 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

i used 20-10 as a short hand for a productive player, hence the “at least.” I would hope that were Bagley to realize his potential, he’d become much more. Preferably, I’d like him to become a decent enough shooter to spread the floor, I’d like him to maintain and expand his interior scoring talents, and I’d like to use of his athleticism smartly enough to defend out to the perimeter while using his jump of his to intimidate on the interior. I do think he has the ability to all that, whether or not he realizes it. I also would like him to score 20 points and grab 10 rebounds a game on top of the other things, because he can do things and because it’s hard to win basketball games with scoring points and grabbing rebounds.

December 2, 2020 10:50 am

My opinion of Bagley is not a popular one. It’s not his fault that he was selected before Luka. It’s really not his fault that he’s often injured. He went from being overrated to somewhat underrated now. This might be the best thing for him. I think his success and team success will really come from him playing within a clearly defined role. I don’t want him out there forcing things just trying to prove that he is worthy of that pick. Take the shots defense gives him, keep the ball moving, focus on setting good picks, play hard on defense and go after every rebound. In my opinion, he could get us more wins without scoring more than 10 points a night by just doing all of the other things better.

my only concern is, with his narrow frame, I just don’t see him ever playing the 5 which might be his natural position. He can still be a really productive player as long as we can find a younger version of serge Ibaka to play next to him.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:08 am
Reply to  Sir_tajj

I wouldn’t say that’s an unpopular opinion at all. In fact, I’d guess most of that is closer to the majority opinion around here.

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 12:53 pm
Reply to  Sir_tajj

I agree completely. All of the vitriol directed at him for being selected at #2 makes about as much sense as screaming at a baby because the kid’s father nailed your wife.

There are places that people end up through no fault of their own. As with most things, this is a VD issue.

KGB-Ball
December 2, 2020 5:00 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Venereal diseases really can be blamed for most things.

Marty
December 2, 2020 5:14 pm
Reply to  Sir_tajj

Great post.

RAP87
December 2, 2020 11:40 pm
Reply to  Sir_tajj

Evan Mobley comes to mind. Perfect modern big who can basically do it all. Grab rebounds, block shots, have a good low post game, has a mid range shot and a three point shot .

jwalker1395
December 3, 2020 9:07 am
Reply to  Sir_tajj

Totally agree. The simple fact of the matter is that after Bagley’s first season we were all extremely excited about the guy. He can play, we just haven’t seen it in a while and many of us have forgotten. But when Bagley is on the floor he’s a real impact guy on the offensive glass and can go out and get his own shot, too. Defense and passing still a concern, but he seems like a high character, hard-working type of dude who wants to get better and it frankly isn’t his fault that his body hasn’t given him the opportunity to prove it. As upset as we all are that he can’t stay on the floor, I’m sure nobody is more frustrated than Bagley himself.

ForeverKANGZ
December 2, 2020 11:09 am

Left mid foot sprain in December 2019 and non-specified right foot injury in practice in July 2020. Maybe it is vague to protect his value as a prospect?

Peja
December 2, 2020 11:24 am

This is going to be unpopular for sure but here is the link to a sactown royalty article grading Marvin’s rookie year in May of 2019

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2019/5/21/18632571/sacramento-kings-grade-the-season-marvin-bagley

I post this just to show that a lot of people graded Marvin’s rookie season as a success and believed he had a solid upward trajectory. I think IF, and i mean IF, he stays healthy, then he can possibly continue that upward trajectory.

RobHessing
December 2, 2020 11:32 am
Reply to  Peja

I was very encouraged by his rookie season. Unfortunately he is now a full year behind in his needed growth, as his second year was a complete write-off. He went from 1st team all-rookie to arguably not being in the top ten (at least the top 7-8) of his draft. So in that regard, he has to do a bit more than just trend upward. He needs to close the gap on all of the players that have left him behind.

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BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 11:32 am
Reply to  Peja
  1. I didn’t agree with those grades at the time.
  2. The standards by which we judge a rookie are different than those by which we judge a player entering his 3rd season.
TheFifthMookie
December 2, 2020 1:39 pm
Reply to  Peja

That thread is a reminder of how much better the threads on TKH are.

Gojira2021
December 2, 2020 11:26 am

Plain and simple, I go by the 3 strikes rule…. 3 strikes and you’re out. Since Bagley was a Vlade pick, and McNair has no sentimental attachment to him, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bagley gone after this season if he can’t stay healthy.

December 2, 2020 11:29 am

Considering McNair’s bargain bin shopping spree on centers, Marvin’s health, and poor defense, Marvin has a lot to prove to the new FO.

LandParkJimmer
December 2, 2020 12:44 pm
Reply to  socksofthewiz

“bargain bin shopping sprees” – too accurate lol

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02kingsfan
December 2, 2020 12:14 pm

I wonder if there is any precedent of players who were good at low post scoring and rebounding with very little assist rate coming into the league and somehow improve greatly in that assist department later. Bagley can’t defend effectively nor pass the ball happen to be the two skills you can’t really “teach”. He’ll have a long career in the league as the Julius Randle type player but won’t ever impact the team in overall success

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 1:00 pm
Reply to  02kingsfan

Randle gets his numbers, but when he was on a decent team (I guess only the Pelicans), he really made them better. If Bagley produces at that level, that’s a pretty decent career. Hopefully he can stay healthy, and will make real strides as the roster becomes more coherent over the next few years. He’s still just 21.

Also, has anyone heard anything about Marvin adding muscle since Orlando? He has to get stronger, but not so bulky that it diminishes his mobility

BeTheBall
December 2, 2020 1:10 pm
Reply to  02kingsfan

I don’t see Bagley ever reaching Randle’s level.

Adamsite
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December 2, 2020 1:11 pm
Reply to  02kingsfan

Aaron Gordon kind of comes to mind, in regards to assist numbers improving.

Adamsite
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December 2, 2020 1:13 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Kevin Garnett is another one, but Marvin is light years away from Garnett in his overall game.

BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 1:19 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Both of those guys had passing upside and BBIQ as positives in their scouting report. So, yeah, they increased their assist rates over the years, but it was more cases of guys that had shown some aptitude for it being given more playmaking responsibility, rather than the developing a skill out of nowhere that it would be the Bagley.

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 1:57 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Most are.

RORDOG
December 2, 2020 12:17 pm

I’m curious if the 5-out offense talk yesterday has a lot to do with their vision for Bagley’s role on offense. That type of offense only really works if the bigs are willing passers, cutters and screeners. It doesn’t work too well if one player is fighting for position in the high post calling for the ball the entire possession. I think he’s pretty decent off cuts. The question will be if he’s willing to make the right pass when he gets the ball in the paint, and the double team comes.

Kingsguru21
December 2, 2020 3:18 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I thought the 5 out comment was about Kaminsky but that would be great if it would work with Bagley, too.

RAP87
December 2, 2020 11:54 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Bjelly comes to my mind when he mentioned about the 5 out.

Bjelly, Barnes, Buddy, Haliburton and Fox.

LandParkJimmer
December 2, 2020 12:17 pm

I know people will disagree but Bagley is a waste of time. I don’t think he will ever get healthy on a consistent basis.

bjax1
December 2, 2020 1:34 pm

Great article. I get sad every time I think about what could have been with Doncic, but such is life for a Kings fan, however I do think Bagley has some serious talent. Last year was a disaster due solely to injury. I give him a pass. Year one Was good overall. I’m seriously hoping he’ll be healthy and keep improving. The last thing we want to do is get rid of him and watch him ball out for someone else. Regarding injuries, they seem kind of freakish. A back issue from a slip, broken thumb and 2 separate foot sprains. So, I do t see why he can’t get healthy. Me, I think he got the Popovich curse for bailing on the National team after getting invited on to the Big Squad. Think about what a difference a year makes. If I remember correctly Pop wanted to call Bagley up to the main squad over Bam after those two were practicing with the Select Team. Same with DeAaron.

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 2:08 pm
Reply to  bjax1

Given that he’s only 21, and big men generally take awhile to come into their own, I still think that Marvin can have a nice career. Barring the kind of injury that has a permanent deleterious effect, I think that you have to pick up his option. It’s a lot of money, but he’s young enough that you have to pony up for potential. It isn’t his job to perform to the expectations of a dimwit general manager and frustrated fan base. He couldn’t possibly meet those lofty goals.

I want him to succeed more on a humanitarian level, than as a Kings fan. An athlete not being able to perform due to injury is such a waste, particularly at the level of a major sports league.

Kosta
December 2, 2020 1:40 pm

It’s ok. We have Hassan Whiteside.

rff
rff
December 2, 2020 2:37 pm

This is the second day of camp. Has anyone heard or seen any reports on how Bagley is looking? I miss Grant, he would have been reporting Bagley training camp progress from Day 1.

andy_sims
December 2, 2020 2:56 pm
Reply to  rff

I would like to announce that I have a bridge for sale.

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TheFifthMookie
December 2, 2020 2:58 pm
Reply to  rff

Bagley is jumping out of the gym in the first practice!

Bagley looks like a potential all-star this year based on practice!

Bagley is going to take the league by storm this season!

Grant would give you updates, but you wouldn’t know if any of them were factual.

rff
rff
December 2, 2020 3:16 pm
Reply to  TheFifthMookie

Lol! That could be very true. Thanks for the laugh, that is too funny!

Kingsguru21
December 2, 2020 3:23 pm

I personally believe that if Marvin could stay on the court, he would be better. But the injuries and fits and starts last season have not done him any favors.

I think other than Fox talking his big leap, I think Bagley playing a minimum of 1800 minutes this season is the most important element to the Kings success. In the past I put that at 3800 minutes combined for both Bagley and Fox, but I think that’s too low. I think Fox needs to be closer to 2400 this year, and Bagley at least 1800. 2200 would be far more encouraging.

I think the playing issues will work itself out as he plays more. It would help if he’s physically more mature, as people have noted, also.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
December 2, 2020 3:24 pm

OT: Holy Smokes. Teams are going to have to run deep this year.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
December 2, 2020 6:48 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Ha, I get a kick out of everytime I mention COVID and how the NBA is going to need to adjust to make things work, it gets a down vote.

Someone here refuses to recognize the elephant in the room.

Hobby916
December 3, 2020 5:10 am
Reply to  Adamsite

I remember when the NFL did their first round of tests and 77 positive cases. Those later turned out to be false positives. Not saying that this will be the case for the NBA, it is an interesting thing to track as the season moves forward. Hopefully players and staff will adhere to the rules. We have a crappy basketball team to watch all season!!!

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
December 3, 2020 8:06 am
Reply to  Hobby916

I think the big difference from the NBA to the NFL is roster size. NFL has backups to the backups plus practice squads. If COVID hits and NBA roster and 4 players come back positive, that is potentially 25% of the nightly rotation, and doesn’t even take into consideration the coaching and support staff.

December 2, 2020 3:39 pm

I’m excited for Fox, Haliburton, Buddy, Ramsey, Woodard and Jeffries.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
December 2, 2020 3:54 pm

Uhhhh, Hali’s shooting stroke is… something? He flips the ball around in his hands before he shoots, of which his shooting hand starts on the side of the ball. We’v3 got some Kevin Martin/Matrix level of weirdness in his mechanics.

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BestHyperboleEver
December 2, 2020 4:14 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Sounds like someone had their dog in the gym.

Gregoryl
December 2, 2020 4:15 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

That hitch is a little concerning. Looks more pronounced than when he was in college.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
December 2, 2020 4:39 pm
Reply to  Gregoryl

I’m fine with a hitch, as long as he continues to shoot 40% from three. The little bobble with his hands before he shoots bothers me more. It slows down his whole motion which will allow quicker and longer defenders in the NBA alter his shot. It adds a little delay in his raise and is a completely unnecessary movement.

KGB-Ball
December 2, 2020 5:07 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

It’s almost like he’s trying to find the seam on the ball before he shoots. No idea what’s going on there.