The NBA transaction moratorium officially lifts at 9am PT on Monday. We’ve already seen a few deals agreed to and announced, but there’s a chance we could see a lot of player movement today. Use this thread to discuss the day’s breaking news.
If there are any Kings-related trades we will cover those separately, of course.
I wanna see Harden to Brooklyn just for all the drama and to see another superteam take down LeBron in the finals.
The Brooklyn Ball Hogs!
I just want to see Harden and Kyrie attempting to share the ball. I feel like they’d be sick of each other after 10 games.
I cannot believe what teams are going to have to do in this compressed timeline. Thankful we have a more professional team to plan this out, as I would imagine you have to have numerous contingencies with how fast the opportunities will change..
Vlade might have needed a second whiteboard, or at least another pack of post-its.
pack of cigs*
ftfy
Brown for Musa + 2021 2nd
Am I Crandelling?
It will be interesting to see if the relative quiet here in Sac is because McNair doesn’t plan on doing too much right away, or if he just prefers to keep his cards close to the vest.
My thoughts are that the rest of the league is sitting back and waiting to see what happens with Westbrook and Harden. Wise for the Kings to see if they can get involved in those trades as a 3rd team.
I still believe they are going to move their pick for a much bigger trade. Don’t know what that is but just my hunch for a couple of weeks now.
Of course it could just be nothing and Mcnair and Co are just playing their cards close to their vest. It’ll be an interesting week to say the least.
I hope it’s because he’s keeping his cards close to the vest.
For sure. It’s just a little too early to know one way or the other. It’s technically possible that there have been no leaks because the guys in the draft are avoiding Sacramento, and McNair prefers to evaluate the current roster next season before making any big transactions.
In my gut I think Buddy gets traded, Bogi will re-sign, and the Kings will draft one of the guards that have publicly stated they’ve met with the Kings.
Just for future reference, your gut had better make me happy. Right now I’m not especially thrilled by this comment by your gut.
my gut tells me don’t worry be happy
My fervent hope is that on Wednesday evening we are all not wishing that Vlade had stayed.
That would take a pretty overtly terrible move. Like Fox for cash considerations.
Which kind of player would make it so?
I have to be honest; if they pick Precious it will fuel my skepticism.
I also wonder if they are so cash-strapped that they will trade a 2nd round pick or 2 for cash considerations.
I honestly haven’t watched any Precious highlights or actual Memphis games, so I’m curious: why is everyone so down on Precious?
My issue is an extreme lack of awareness and passing. The fun stat is his 1:2.8 AST:TO ratio. His ceiling is something Jerami Grant-ish, which is great, but that ceiling is a long way off.
Yeah that was the biggest thing that stood out looking at his stats. His AST:TO ratio is worse than Bagley’s at Duke. The other thing is that <60% FT%. That doesn’t bode well for his ability to stretch the floor.
Guys like him should not be lottery picks.
In any other year, he wouldn’t be a lottery pick.
Here we go…
I think that is a great move. He will do a lot to get Booker and Ayton to the next level.
Yeah, assuming the price isn’t CRAZY, I think Paul is a great addition. The big swing factor being his health.
It’s going to be really interesting to see what the Suns send back. I’ve been tracking some Suns fan sentiment and my impression is that they are WAY overrating their own prospect and underrating Paul. It will be interesting to see how far off I am on that impression.
They sound like Kings fans.
Not Jalen Lecque!
All joking aside, I suspect there to be some good draft compensation to get this done.
Unbelievable that Presti has two more first rounders in the next couple of years now from PHX and LA in the Schroeder trade.
The suns look to be keeping mikal bridges, cam Johnson, and Dario saric. That team should be really competitive next year.
Any word on the draft compensation?
It’s a bit like the HIckson/Casspi trade. Various lottery-ish protections that start in 2022 and go through 2025. I think that essentially means they can’t trade any of their other firsts from 2021 to 2026 until the pick conveys. Obviously they can do draft day stuff, and obtaining additional firsts would give them a bit more flexibility, but it’s still a little restrictive on making additional moves.
Gotcha I suppose that makes sense for OKC and I would guess they would be hoping that the pick gets pushed out because with Sarver owning the Suns there is definitely no guarantee they will remain “good” in a few years.
Phoenix is thinking they are the 8th seed in 2022 and that’s the pick they give up. Maybe they are right. There’s talent there.
Yeah I don’t think pick protections are a dealbreaker. It just hamstrings them a bit from making subsequent moves until the pick conveys.
Yeah and while flexibility is nice, it doesn’t necessarily mean that winning trades wins you games. That’s why I think Jones isn’t worried. He won’t be around by the time the pick ends up in OKC if things don’t pan out.
Man, Paul will be 38 in 2025 when the pick becomes unprotected.
Yep. And his contract will be long over by then.
Presti has all the future assets of the league.
Wow! Bad deal for Phoenix. Don’t get be wrong, I’ve always really liked Chris Paul. In his prime, one of the best. And he did wonders with OKC last year, but i think he’ll be washed next year. In the bubble, it showed having to play every other day. When the nba protested and he was coming off several days rest, he looked great, but with only one rest day, he looked gassed and missed a lot of bunnies. I’d prefer Rubio plus other assets.
Rubio’s a solid player and I like Oubre well enough, but I think it’s a decent risk for Phoenix. They aren’t giving up a truckload of talent, and their young talent needs a guy like CP3 to point them in the right direction, IMO.
Sure, he could be washed, but I wouldn’t base anything on the bubble.
Yeah, I think it’s a very good deal for Phoenix. They’re taking a shot at adding a huge upgrade (if healthy) that fits perfectly with Booker/Ayton without giving up anything likely to be an important piece of their future. As for being washed, well, if this is Chris Paul washed, he’s still a top 5 PG and significantly better than Rubio. He might fall off a cliff, but he hasn’t yet. All in all, I think it’s a pretty smart risk for the Suns to take. Even if Paul just fades into vet mentorship, they still have Booker/Ayton to build around and $44MM in cap space opening up right when that draft pick comes due.
Phoenix will draft a PG. That’s the only way this deal would make sense, with Chris Paul on load management, 20-25 minutes a game.
Kira Lewis goes in the top ten, probably to Phoenix.
50/50 chance a projected top 10 pick will be available for the Kings at #12.
This seems like a good trade for both teams. Phoenix gets a floor general with more offensive pop than Rubio, and OKC gets Oubre, and Rubio, who is still a good defender, runs the point well, and is a good veteran backup to SGA.
I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a couple of those guys are flipped.
Makes you wonder what Presti has planned for the Thunder, look at all the draft capital he has, and deals he makes
He is doing a rebuild right. The next two drafts are supposed to be stacked, and he currently has 4. Not to mention, if OKC goes full rebuild and blows things up, their own pick may be a top 5 next year.
I now have OKC and the Kings as the worst teams in the West. Still waiting to see what San Antonio does.
I think Minny will join the Kings & OKC at the bottom of the West next season.
So what are the percent chances the Kings finish dead last in the Pacific?
I’m going 100%
I think bookmakers would put it at -1000
Stop the count!
You’re so cynical.
No clue who Landon Buford is.
Hard to find a deal there for me. They don’t have many picks. Then don’t have much interesting talent outside of Doncic and Porzingis. There would have to be a 3rd team involved.
Has Hardaway opted into his deal yet? I think he would be the one Dallas would lead the package with if it were to happen.
He’s the contract that most works. I just don’t see him as a valuable asset. He’s just contract filler to me.
I mean, outside of simply being expiring, of course.
He’s an expiring that gets the Kings out of Buddy’s deal and lets them focus on retaining Bogi.
Buddy for Hardaway and the #18?
Probably can’t pull that deal off until after the PPP on Buddy expires. But that’s semantics. That won’t kill a deal.
Is there a date on that PPP?
Friday. When Free Agency starts.
Ah..no biggie. Like you said, it’s semantics. A deal could be agreed upon in principle and the #18 pick just wears a Mavs hat for a few days.
The bigger issue is whether they want to build around Buddy, Porzingis and Luka. That’s what’s really questionable IMO.
I think a shooter like Buddy is the 3rd banna they kind of need. I think Hardaway fills that need for them on a better deal, but they do need shooters around Luka.
“get out of Buddy’s deal”…are we at that point? It seems like his deal is fair value, he’s durable and still relatively young.
Maybe it’s semantics, but I’d rather keep him than just fire sale him to get the trailing years of his contract off the books.
I’m fine with his deal, I’m just not ok with his recent attitude and rumored desire to get out of Sac. I don’t want to start the season with a dude that doesn’t want to be here.
Under Vlade, I wouldn’t have been surprised if Buddy and Bagley were moved just to make them happy. But these guys are still assets IMO, and I’m optimistic the new FO sees them as such.
I mean, for all we know, McNair’s already working with Buddy so he sees that there are actually professionals running the show now – and that Coach Handsy is (hopefully) on a short leash.
I think his deal is close enough to FA market value. But whether a specific team should paying FA market value for a certain player depends on team context. For example, for a team like the Sixers who have a Hield shaped hole in their lineup and are ready to compete for rings now, paying market for the right piece makes more sense.
Also, on a technical note, the average age in the NBA is 26. Buddy is 27. So he isn’t relatively young unless you’re talking relative to other older-than-average players.
For me “relatively young” is in relation to his extension. Age shouldn’t be a mitigating factor on his performance the last years of this deal, IMO.
Maybe, the vast majority of players start to decline as they approach thirty and that decline accelerates around 30. Hield is generally healthy and his game should have some staying power. But in general I’m not one to bet on non-elite players being outliers.
Dude’s played four seasons, and is less than 9,000 minutes overall in the league. Let’s not get too crazy, he’ll be fine physically.
Mentally? Hell if I know.
That said, it isn’t like he just started playing basketball when he hit the NBA. All of these guys have been playing basketball year-round since they were kids.
I feel like you’re arguing just to argue at this point. If this is true for “all of these guys” then Buddy shouldn’t fall off the cliff anymore than any other youngish guy who doesn’t have a ton of NBA mileage on his legs.
Let me put it this way…are you really concerned that Buddy Hield’s is going to physically deteriorate prior to the end of this deal (23-24, when he’ll be 31…and making 18.5 million)?
Not at all. I was just pointing out that he isn’t “relatively young” for an NBA player. You were the one that latched onto the aside in my comment.
I’m not really concerned about him falling off. What I’m concerned about is a building team with gaping holes committing 20MM per for multiple year to a specialist.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but he does do a few things at a very high NBA level. Most of our guys with “gaping holes” can’t say the same.
More specifically, I’m not a huge Buddy Hield fan, but I don’t think you move him just to make him happy. In a perfect world, we’d move Walton and see and keep Buddy for a season and see if his market value increases (as his contract shortens and decreases).
This is why I could never be a GM. I’d be too spiteful and trade Buddy just because he annoys me.
I couldn’t either, but for different reasons – I’d probably keep him around just for spite. 🙂
I wouldn’t move him just to move him. I’d need a decent return. I am personally not of the opinion that his value has taken a hit and I think there are multiple teams for whom he makes a lot of sense (Sixers, Nets, Lakers, Magic, Hornets, etc.) and who therefore might give up a decent return for him.
A couple things:
#2 ain’t happening.
That source is a bit suspect. Keith Pompey is legit, but he’s just relaying info from some guy named Landon Buford. Buford is not really followed by anyone relevant that I can see. I wouldn’t be surprised if Buddy would want to play in Dallas, but I don’t think I fully trust that Buford has first hand knowledge of Buddy’s thinking.
That being said, give me THJ + DFS + #18 pick for Buddy.
Yeah, I can get behind that. I mean, I think some team is going to be SHOCKED to find that Hardaway and DFS aren’t actually good shooters once they don’t have Doncic getting them open 3s all game, but DFS is cheap, Hardaway is expiring, and I like some people in that 18 range.
Of course you would, it’s completely one-sided in Sacramento’s favor.
That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
lol what? I can see an argument to be made that the Kings would “win the trade” so to speak, but “completely one-sided” is a bit of an exaggeration IMO. The Kings get two replacement-level players plus a pick that hopefullly turns into another replacement-level player for one of the most prolific three point shooters of all-time. I find it hard to believe that the team that gets the best player in the deal is somehow getting robbed.
Yeah I mean I’ve always had a weird obsession with ol Dorian for some reason. I think it’s because he’s basically as effective as Barnes, but 1/6th the price. At #18? Give me Bane.
Yeah, I’d happily have him on the roster, and would certainly rather have him on his deal than Barnes on his. I would just want to make sure we’re clear-eyed about player DFS is likely to be for the Kings.
As for 18, yeah. Bane. Tillman, Bolmaro, Terry, Flynn Riller, etc.
I’d do that deal.
I keep reading “Landon Buford” as “LaBradford.”
well then, lets get a look at his credit card
As if we didn’t know this already, the Kings have no choice but to dive into a full rebuild around Fox and Bagley. I truly thought we would’ve been what the Suns were during the bubble. Their acquisition of CP3 catapults them into a legitimate playoff team and a full season of D’Lo, Culver, KAT, and their first round pick have them on a fast track to relevance past us.
Time to pull a Presti and strip the team of all assets minus Fox and Bagley and build from the ground up to contend for a playoff spot once some of the teams begin trending downward in a couple of years.
Agreed. I hope McNair has the wherewithal and guts to do that. The Kings aren’t competing in the West anytime soon. Focus on future asset acquisition and youth.
Not sure if this was shared but this article actually had good trade ideas:
Kings: #3 pick, Batum, and Miles Bridges
Hornets: Russell Westbrook and Buddy Hield
Rockets: Terry Rozier and #12
https://theleadsportsmedia.com/5-wild-but-possible-kings-trade-scenarios/
I’d think the Rockets would want a lot more than Rozier and #12 for Westbrook. They’d likely get Bridges in that deal.
All of those are hugely skewed towards the Kings.
I agree but at the same time, these are all salary type trades. The Hornets have a terrible cap. I also dont think Westbrook has that much trade value with his style of play, shooting, and contract remaining.
The Hornets cap situation is fine. I’d much rather have their cap sheet than Sacramento’s.
My apologies, I didnt realize they were finally getting out of those horrible contracts:
Batum (PO at $27M)
Rozier $18M for 2 more years
Zeller at $15M next year
Biyomobo, MKG, and Marvin Williams are finally coming off and they were at 15-18M each.
The only really bad one left there is Batum, and it’s expiring. Zeller isn’t ideal, but it isn’t limiting.
Wild indeed. Fun ideas but probably too rich for the other teams especially in draft compensation.
I could see Bogi for Bledsoe + Late 1st, but no way we get 2 picks and DiVincenzo
Likewise, Bogi for Olynyk + Dunn but no draft pick
Nope
Nope
Bold prediction, what do I win if I am correct?
Blake Griffin and the # 7 pick to the warriors for the #2 pick and Wiggins
You’d win your own replica of the Kings’ 2002 Western Conference Second Place trophy, which fits easily inside your car’s glove compartment.
This is pretty darn logical – kudos
Is there an easier to find new comments other than scrolling through and looking for timestamps? lol.
If you keep the page open, the new comments will show up in yellow. Easier to scroll, not sure if there’s an equivalent to the old Z key at this point…
The yellow is nice when I stay on the page, but I usually navigate away and then come back later to stare the small print on my phone and hope to find some new comments.
If I’ve been away from the page, I use the Find on page function on my browser to search sequentially for something like 3 hours, 2 hours, 1 hour, minute.
I mean, that’s a great idea, but you know, effort.
We absolutely need this option. I’ll bet I’m missing a lot of amazingly incisive insights, not realizing that they are new comments.
You’re good, I haven’t been posting much lately.
Unfortunately that’s been a tough nut to crack. Adding that kind of coding is tricky and we haven’t gotten it perfected. We’ve prioritized other aspects of the site, but it is still on our list of improvements we’d like to do.
If I recall, CowboyRon96 practically invented that kind of coding. You ought to reach out.
I am seeing all these rumors from random sources where Buddy prefers to be traded to Dallas, Philly, or Miami. Does Buddy understand that lists of trade destinations are for respected stars and not three point specialists?
Do we know the deadline for Nemanja’s unguaranteed deal? Also, has Parker officially opted in yet?
That was specified in a recent article, either here or sacbee.
Unless you’re expecting to be onboarding a shit-ton of salary, it seems like a no-brainer to pick up Bjelica’s option. Given what he does, it’s a very affordable contract.
Plus you can include him in trades down the road. He’d thrive on a contender getting 25 minutes a night off the bench.
It amazes me that Jabari Parker went from one of the most promising star young player to about-to-be-cut-by-the-kings and play in China in all but 5 years.
Guess that’s how long it took the league to realize he has no intention of ever really playing defense.
Hello everyone, it’s me Marvin B. Just wanted to give everyone an update. I’m fully healthy and can’t wait for December 22nd. I’ve been working on my right hand as well as my dribbling skills and my 3 point shot. Coach wants me to play a little bit of point center as well anchor the defense. I’m up to the task, can’t wait to show you!!
Is that you, Vlade?! Don’t lie to us!!!
This is going to end well.
I’ll add, the longer this plays out, the less Houston gets in return.
It seems inevitable that this was going to be a painful transition for Houston.
I love the Hornets deal. Essentially getting Bridges, the Number 3 and an expiring in Batum. Kings will get another Top pick in a loaded 2021 draft. In addition, freeing up a ton of cap space to go after another big piece in Free Agency next year.