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NBA Trades Open Thread

The league is lifting the trade moratorium, use this thread to discuss the day's events.

The NBA transaction moratorium officially lifts at 9am PT on Monday. We've already seen a few deals agreed to and announced, but there's a chance we could see a lot of player movement today. Use this thread to discuss the day's breaking news.

If there are any Kings-related trades we will cover those separately, of course.

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TheFifthMookie
18 days ago

I wanna see Harden to Brooklyn just for all the drama and to see another superteam take down LeBron in the finals.

beephop
18 days ago
Reply to  TheFifthMookie

The Brooklyn Ball Hogs!

ForKingsandCountry
18 days ago
Reply to  TheFifthMookie

I just want to see Harden and Kyrie attempting to share the ball. I feel like they’d be sick of each other after 10 games.

MichaelMack
18 days ago

I cannot believe what teams are going to have to do in this compressed timeline. Thankful we have a more professional team to plan this out, as I would imagine you have to have numerous contingencies with how fast the opportunities will change..

Vlade might have needed a second whiteboard, or at least another pack of post-its.

17 days ago
Reply to  MichaelMack

pack of cigs*
ftfy

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago

Brown for Musa + 2021 2nd

Am I Crandelling?

RORDOG
17 days ago

It will be interesting to see if the relative quiet here in Sac is because McNair doesn’t plan on doing too much right away, or if he just prefers to keep his cards close to the vest.

Hobby916
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

My thoughts are that the rest of the league is sitting back and waiting to see what happens with Westbrook and Harden. Wise for the Kings to see if they can get involved in those trades as a 3rd team.

RAP87
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I still believe they are going to move their pick for a much bigger trade. Don’t know what that is but just my hunch for a couple of weeks now.

Of course it could just be nothing and Mcnair and Co are just playing their cards close to their vest. It’ll be an interesting week to say the least.

ForKingsandCountry
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I hope it’s because he’s keeping his cards close to the vest.

RORDOG
17 days ago

For sure. It’s just a little too early to know one way or the other. It’s technically possible that there have been no leaks because the guys in the draft are avoiding Sacramento, and McNair prefers to evaluate the current roster next season before making any big transactions.

In my gut I think Buddy gets traded, Bogi will re-sign, and the Kings will draft one of the guards that have publicly stated they’ve met with the Kings.

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Just for future reference, your gut had better make me happy. Right now I’m not especially thrilled by this comment by your gut.

Last edited 17 days ago by Kingsguru21
RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

my gut tells me “don’t worry be happy”

ElRonToro
17 days ago

My fervent hope is that on Wednesday evening we are all not wishing that Vlade had stayed.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  ElRonToro

That would take a pretty overtly terrible move. Like Fox for cash considerations.

RikSmits
17 days ago
Reply to  ElRonToro

Which kind of player would make it so?

I have to be honest; if they pick Precious it will fuel my skepticism.

I also wonder if they are so cash-strapped that they will trade a 2nd round pick or 2 for cash considerations.

RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  RikSmits

I honestly haven’t watched any Precious highlights or actual Memphis games, so I’m curious: why is everyone so down on Precious?

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

My issue is an extreme lack of awareness and passing. The fun stat is his 1:2.8 AST:TO ratio. His ceiling is something Jerami Grant-ish, which is great, but that ceiling is a long way off.

RORDOG
17 days ago

Yeah that was the biggest thing that stood out looking at his stats. His AST:TO ratio is worse than Bagley’s at Duke. The other thing is that <60% FT%. That doesn’t bode well for his ability to stretch the floor.

Hobby916
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Guys like him should not be lottery picks.

Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

In any other year, he wouldn’t be a lottery pick.

Klam
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17 days ago

Here we go…

MichaelMack
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

I think that is a great move. He will do a lot to get Booker and Ayton to the next level.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  MichaelMack

Yeah, assuming the price isn’t CRAZY, I think Paul is a great addition. The big swing factor being his health.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

It’s going to be really interesting to see what the Suns send back. I’ve been tracking some Suns fan sentiment and my impression is that they are WAY overrating their own prospect and underrating Paul. It will be interesting to see how far off I am on that impression.

RikSmits
17 days ago

my impression is that they are WAY overrating their own prospect and underrating [insert random name]

They sound like Kings fans.

Klam
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17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

kingsforaday
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

Not Jalen Lecque!

All joking aside, I suspect there to be some good draft compensation to get this done.

MichaelMack
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

Unbelievable that Presti has two more first rounders in the next couple of years now from PHX and LA in the Schroeder trade.

kingsforaday
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

The suns look to be keeping mikal bridges, cam Johnson, and Dario saric. That team should be really competitive next year.

ForKingsandCountry
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

Any word on the draft compensation?

RORDOG
17 days ago

It’s a bit like the HIckson/Casspi trade. Various lottery-ish protections that start in 2022 and go through 2025. I think that essentially means they can’t trade any of their other firsts from 2021 to 2026 until the pick conveys. Obviously they can do draft day stuff, and obtaining additional firsts would give them a bit more flexibility, but it’s still a little restrictive on making additional moves.

ForKingsandCountry
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Gotcha I suppose that makes sense for OKC and I would guess they would be hoping that the pick gets pushed out because with Sarver owning the Suns there is definitely no guarantee they will remain “good” in a few years.

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Phoenix is thinking they are the 8th seed in 2022 and that’s the pick they give up. Maybe they are right. There’s talent there.

RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Yeah I don’t think pick protections are a dealbreaker. It just hamstrings them a bit from making subsequent moves until the pick conveys.

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Yeah and while flexibility is nice, it doesn’t necessarily mean that winning trades wins you games. That’s why I think Jones isn’t worried. He won’t be around by the time the pick ends up in OKC if things don’t pan out.

Last edited 17 days ago by Kingsguru21
NorCalKingsFan
17 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Man, Paul will be 38 in 2025 when the pick becomes unprotected.

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

Yep. And his contract will be long over by then.

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17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

Presti has all the future assets of the league.

eddie41
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

Wow! Bad deal for Phoenix. Don’t get be wrong, I’ve always really liked Chris Paul. In his prime, one of the best. And he did wonders with OKC last year, but i think he’ll be washed next year. In the bubble, it showed having to play every other day. When the nba protested and he was coming off several days rest, he looked great, but with only one rest day, he looked gassed and missed a lot of bunnies. I’d prefer Rubio plus other assets.

Otis
17 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

Rubio’s a solid player and I like Oubre well enough, but I think it’s a decent risk for Phoenix. They aren’t giving up a truckload of talent, and their young talent needs a guy like CP3 to point them in the right direction, IMO.

Sure, he could be washed, but I wouldn’t base anything on the bubble.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Yeah, I think it’s a very good deal for Phoenix. They’re taking a shot at adding a huge upgrade (if healthy) that fits perfectly with Booker/Ayton without giving up anything likely to be an important piece of their future. As for being washed, well, if this is Chris Paul washed, he’s still a top 5 PG and significantly better than Rubio. He might fall off a cliff, but he hasn’t yet. All in all, I think it’s a pretty smart risk for the Suns to take. Even if Paul just fades into vet mentorship, they still have Booker/Ayton to build around and $44MM in cap space opening up right when that draft pick comes due.

eddie41
17 days ago

Phoenix will draft a PG. That’s the only way this deal would make sense, with Chris Paul on load management, 20-25 minutes a game.

eddie41
17 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

Kira Lewis goes in the top ten, probably to Phoenix.

eddie41
17 days ago
Reply to  eddie41

50/50 chance a projected top 10 pick will be available for the Kings at #12.

andy_sims
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

This seems like a good trade for both teams. Phoenix gets a floor general with more offensive pop than Rubio, and OKC gets Oubre, and Rubio, who is still a good defender, runs the point well, and is a good veteran backup to SGA.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a couple of those guys are flipped.

Murf
17 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

Makes you wonder what Presti has planned for the Thunder, look at all the draft capital he has, and deals he makes

Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  Murf

He is doing a rebuild right. The next two drafts are supposed to be stacked, and he currently has 4. Not to mention, if OKC goes full rebuild and blows things up, their own pick may be a top 5 next year.

I now have OKC and the Kings as the worst teams in the West. Still waiting to see what San Antonio does.

richie88
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I think Minny will join the Kings & OKC at the bottom of the West next season.

Adamsite
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17 days ago

So what are the percent chances the Kings finish dead last in the Pacific?

I’m going 100%

Aykis16
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17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I think bookmakers would put it at -1000

Last edited 17 days ago by Aykis16
Timmy_13
17 days ago
Reply to  Aykis16

Stop the count!

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  Aykis16

You’re so cynical.

Adamsite
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17 days ago

No clue who Landon Buford is.

Last edited 17 days ago by Adamsite
BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Hard to find a deal there for me. They don’t have many picks. Then don’t have much interesting talent outside of Doncic and Porzingis. There would have to be a 3rd team involved.

Adamsite
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17 days ago

Has Hardaway opted into his deal yet? I think he would be the one Dallas would lead the package with if it were to happen.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

He’s the contract that most works. I just don’t see him as a valuable asset. He’s just contract filler to me.
I mean, outside of simply being expiring, of course.

Last edited 17 days ago by BestHyperboleEver
Adamsite
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17 days ago

He’s an expiring that gets the Kings out of Buddy’s deal and lets them focus on retaining Bogi.

Buddy for Hardaway and the #18?

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Probably can’t pull that deal off until after the PPP on Buddy expires. But that’s semantics. That won’t kill a deal.

Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Is there a date on that PPP?

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Friday. When Free Agency starts.

Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Ah..no biggie. Like you said, it’s semantics. A deal could be agreed upon in principle and the #18 pick just wears a Mavs hat for a few days.

Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

The bigger issue is whether they want to build around Buddy, Porzingis and Luka. That’s what’s really questionable IMO.

Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I think a shooter like Buddy is the 3rd banna they kind of need. I think Hardaway fills that need for them on a better deal, but they do need shooters around Luka.

Otis
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

“get out of Buddy’s deal”…are we at that point? It seems like his deal is fair value, he’s durable and still relatively young.

Maybe it’s semantics, but I’d rather keep him than just fire sale him to get the trailing years of his contract off the books.

Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I’m fine with his deal, I’m just not ok with his recent attitude and rumored desire to get out of Sac. I don’t want to start the season with a dude that doesn’t want to be here.

Otis
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Under Vlade, I wouldn’t have been surprised if Buddy and Bagley were moved just to make them happy. But these guys are still assets IMO, and I’m optimistic the new FO sees them as such.

I mean, for all we know, McNair’s already working with Buddy so he sees that there are actually professionals running the show now – and that Coach Handsy is (hopefully) on a short leash.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I think his deal is close enough to FA market value. But whether a specific team should paying FA market value for a certain player depends on team context. For example, for a team like the Sixers who have a Hield shaped hole in their lineup and are ready to compete for rings now, paying market for the right piece makes more sense.

Also, on a technical note, the average age in the NBA is 26. Buddy is 27. So he isn’t relatively young unless you’re talking relative to other older-than-average players.

Otis
17 days ago

For me “relatively young” is in relation to his extension. Age shouldn’t be a mitigating factor on his performance the last years of this deal, IMO.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Maybe, the vast majority of players start to decline as they approach thirty and that decline accelerates around 30. Hield is generally healthy and his game should have some staying power. But in general I’m not one to bet on non-elite players being outliers.

Otis
17 days ago

Dude’s played four seasons, and is less than 9,000 minutes overall in the league. Let’s not get too crazy, he’ll be fine physically.

Mentally? Hell if I know.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

That said, it isn’t like he just started playing basketball when he hit the NBA. All of these guys have been playing basketball year-round since they were kids.

Otis
17 days ago

I feel like you’re arguing just to argue at this point. If this is true for “all of these guys” then Buddy shouldn’t fall off the cliff anymore than any other youngish guy who doesn’t have a ton of NBA mileage on his legs.

Let me put it this way…are you really concerned that Buddy Hield’s is going to physically deteriorate prior to the end of this deal (23-24, when he’ll be 31…and making 18.5 million)?

Last edited 17 days ago by Otis
BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

Not at all. I was just pointing out that he isn’t “relatively young” for an NBA player. You were the one that latched onto the aside in my comment.

I’m not really concerned about him falling off. What I’m concerned about is a building team with gaping holes committing 20MM per for multiple year to a specialist.

Otis
17 days ago

I don’t necessarily disagree, but he does do a few things at a very high NBA level. Most of our guys with “gaping holes” can’t say the same.

More specifically, I’m not a huge Buddy Hield fan, but I don’t think you move him just to make him happy. In a perfect world, we’d move Walton and see and keep Buddy for a season and see if his market value increases (as his contract shortens and decreases).

RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

This is why I could never be a GM. I’d be too spiteful and trade Buddy just because he annoys me.

Otis
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I couldn’t either, but for different reasons – I’d probably keep him around just for spite. 🙂

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

I wouldn’t move him just to move him. I’d need a decent return. I am personally not of the opinion that his value has taken a hit and I think there are multiple teams for whom he makes a lot of sense (Sixers, Nets, Lakers, Magic, Hornets, etc.) and who therefore might give up a decent return for him.

Gregoryl
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

A couple things:

  1. Landon Buford has a website, so you know he’s 100% correct.
  2. I wish Buddy Hield would shut the F up.
Kingsguru21
17 days ago
Reply to  Gregoryl

#2 ain’t happening.

RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

That source is a bit suspect. Keith Pompey is legit, but he’s just relaying info from some guy named Landon Buford. Buford is not really followed by anyone relevant that I can see. I wouldn’t be surprised if Buddy would want to play in Dallas, but I don’t think I fully trust that Buford has first hand knowledge of Buddy’s thinking.

That being said, give me THJ + DFS + #18 pick for Buddy.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Yeah, I can get behind that. I mean, I think some team is going to be SHOCKED to find that Hardaway and DFS aren’t actually good shooters once they don’t have Doncic getting them open 3s all game, but DFS is cheap, Hardaway is expiring, and I like some people in that 18 range.

andy_sims
17 days ago

Of course you would, it’s completely one-sided in Sacramento’s favor.

That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

lol what? I can see an argument to be made that the Kings would “win the trade” so to speak, but “completely one-sided” is a bit of an exaggeration IMO. The Kings get two replacement-level players plus a pick that hopefullly turns into another replacement-level player for one of the most prolific three point shooters of all-time. I find it hard to believe that the team that gets the best player in the deal is somehow getting robbed.

RORDOG
17 days ago

Yeah I mean I’ve always had a weird obsession with ol Dorian for some reason. I think it’s because he’s basically as effective as Barnes, but 1/6th the price. At #18? Give me Bane.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

Yeah, I’d happily have him on the roster, and would certainly rather have him on his deal than Barnes on his. I would just want to make sure we’re clear-eyed about player DFS is likely to be for the Kings.

As for 18, yeah. Bane. Tillman, Bolmaro, Terry, Flynn Riller, etc.

Last edited 17 days ago by BestHyperboleEver
Adamsite
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17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

I’d do that deal.

Klam
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17 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I keep reading “Landon Buford” as “LaBradford.”

NorCalKingsFan
17 days ago
Reply to  Klam

well then, lets get a look at his credit card

HandOfTheKings
17 days ago

As if we didn’t know this already, the Kings have no choice but to dive into a full rebuild around Fox and Bagley. I truly thought we would’ve been what the Suns were during the bubble. Their acquisition of CP3 catapults them into a legitimate playoff team and a full season of D’Lo, Culver, KAT, and their first round pick have them on a fast track to relevance past us.

Time to pull a Presti and strip the team of all assets minus Fox and Bagley and build from the ground up to contend for a playoff spot once some of the teams begin trending downward in a couple of years.

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17 days ago
Reply to  HandOfTheKings

Agreed. I hope McNair has the wherewithal and guts to do that. The Kings aren’t competing in the West anytime soon. Focus on future asset acquisition and youth.

Adamsite
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17 days ago

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PlayoffModeT
17 days ago

Not sure if this was shared but this article actually had good trade ideas:

Kings: #3 pick, Batum, and Miles Bridges
Hornets: Russell Westbrook and Buddy Hield
Rockets: Terry Rozier and #12

5 Wild (But Possible) Kings Trade Scenarios

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17 days ago
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

I’d think the Rockets would want a lot more than Rozier and #12 for Westbrook. They’d likely get Bridges in that deal.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

All of those are hugely skewed towards the Kings.

PlayoffModeT
17 days ago

I agree but at the same time, these are all salary type trades. The Hornets have a terrible cap. I also dont think Westbrook has that much trade value with his style of play, shooting, and contract remaining.

RORDOG
17 days ago
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

The Hornets cap situation is fine. I’d much rather have their cap sheet than Sacramento’s.

PlayoffModeT
17 days ago
Reply to  RORDOG

My apologies, I didnt realize they were finally getting out of those horrible contracts:

Batum (PO at $27M)
Rozier $18M for 2 more years
Zeller at $15M next year

Biyomobo, MKG, and Marvin Williams are finally coming off and they were at 15-18M each.

BestHyperboleEver
17 days ago
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

The only really bad one left there is Batum, and it’s expiring. Zeller isn’t ideal, but it isn’t limiting.

ImJoeKing
17 days ago
Reply to  PlayoffModeT

Wild indeed. Fun ideas but probably too rich for the other teams especially in draft compensation.

I could see Bogi for Bledsoe + Late 1st, but no way we get 2 picks and DiVincenzo

Likewise, Bogi for Olynyk + Dunn but no draft pick

9sac8
17 days ago
Reply to  ImJoeKing

Nope
Nope

ArcoThunder
17 days ago

Bold prediction, what do I win if I am correct?

Blake Griffin and the # 7 pick to the warriors for the #2 pick and Wiggins

andy_sims
17 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

You’d win your own replica of the Kings’ 2002 Western Conference Second Place trophy, which fits easily inside your car’s glove compartment.

furious.d
17 days ago
Reply to  ArcoThunder

This is pretty darn logical – kudos

Hobby916
17 days ago

Is there an easier to find new comments other than scrolling through and looking for timestamps? lol.

Otis
17 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

If you keep the page open, the new comments will show up in yellow. Easier to scroll, not sure if there’s an equivalent to the old Z key at this point…

Hobby916
17 days ago
Reply to  Otis

The yellow is nice when I stay on the page, but I usually navigate away and then come back later to stare the small print on my phone and hope to find some new comments.

Jman1949
17 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

If I’ve been away from the page, I use the “Find on page” function on my browser to search sequentially for something like “3 hours”, “2 hours”, “1 hour”, “minute”.

andy_sims
17 days ago
Reply to  Jman1949

I mean, that’s a great idea, but you know, effort.

andy_sims
17 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

We absolutely need this option. I’ll bet I’m missing a lot of amazingly incisive insights, not realizing that they are new comments.

Otis
17 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

You’re good, I haven’t been posting much lately.

andy_sims