Harry Giles signed a one-year contract with the Portland Trail Blazers, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
Free agent Harry Giles has agreed to a one-year deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, source tells ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 22, 2020
After Vlade Divac initially declined Giles’ fourth-year option earlier in the season, it seemed unlikely that Giles would return.
Declining the option limited the Kings to a maximum offer of $3.9 million in the first year, but that does not appear to have been a factor as Giles is reportedly signing for the minimum.
Source says the Harry Giles deal with Portland (reported earlier by ESPN) is for the minimum. Great pick-up by the Blazers. Harry still has big upside, and is a fan favorite/great locker room guy type. (Had to edit source of original report here; apologies).
— Sam Amick (@sam_amick) November 22, 2020
Once new general manager Monte McNair took over, it was unclear if Giles would stick around in McNair’s plans, but in the early hours of free agency, KHTK 1140’s Carmichael Dave reported that both sides would split ways.
The Sacramento Kings and Harry Giles will part ways, according to multiple league sources.
Unclear where he is headed, but his time in Sacramento has come to an end.
— Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) November 21, 2020
Giles, 22, is coming off a season where he averaged 6.9 points, 4.1 rebounds and 1.3 assists while shooting 55.4% from the field on 5.5 attempts.
Sacramento originally drafted Giles 20th overall in the 2017 NBA Draft. Giles redshirted his rookie season to heal from multiple ACL injuries and made his debut in the 2018-19 season.
As Portland looks to capitalize with Damian Lillard on the team, Giles could turn out to be a good signing for them if he develops on the defensive end and limits his fouls.
Last year, Portland’s big man rotation (Jusuf Nurkic, Zach Collins) dealt with several injuries. Now, they’re adding Giles and newly acquired Enes Kanter to a rotation that if healthy, looks really solid on paper.
Hopefully they return the favor and steal Wenyen from the blazers
My thought exactly!! or even Skal, whats the story on that dude?
Another player Kings fans overhyped that just isn’t very good
I like this idea!
This makes me angry. It’s a big strike against Monty in my book.
Giles at that price, you keep him.
That said, I have a feling this is a gamble play Giles is taking on himself. He knows here in Sac he is #3/4 on the big man depth chart for what will be the worst team in the west and maybe the worst team in the NBA. Why sign a one year del in Sacramento? Makes no sense. Now, a one year deal on a team that is a realistic Title contender (Blazers) that really needs big man depth, it’s a better career move. He’ll get a bigger contract in 2022 after being the #4 big man on the Blazers then he would being the #4 big man in SAC. It’s a gamb;e he is taking on himself. Better then signing a 3 year 10 million deal with the Kings. If he has a break out season on the Blazers (which Harry is clearly banking on) then summer of 2022 he’s signing a 3 year contract 20 million.
Maybe he did not want to stay anymore, and who can blame him? If I – as a player – could choose between Blazers and Kings I know who I would pick.
The strike is against Vlade, not Monte.
Agreed, and not to mention, sometimes you just need a fresh start
Maybe both sides need a fresh start.
Amen, G-Naps!
Well, I guess I am arguing that now it’s both. It’s Vlades fault for not extending the offer (which in hindsight, now that we see the small offer sheet Giles received was actually GOOD asset management by Vlade). Had vlade not been fired he likely re signs Giles on a longer and bigger contract. Monty could have done the same thing. Seemingly. In my eyes, Giles was the steal of free agency (Bazemore just changed that with his STUPIDLY LOW contract with the Warriors). It doesn’t speek well to talent evaluation if you’re not keeping a young big man that your organization invested millions in and that just started to pay off with substantial improvement. To me, retaining Giles should have been a priority of Monty. The fact that it wasn’t, concerns me.
Giles likely wanted to leave so I won’t hold it against Monty that much. But if we hear later that Giles wanted to stay and offered to stay for one year at 3 million… then Monty just lost his new car smell.
Giles is an okay player. If he was worth absolutely keeping Monte would have done so. No need to over think it. Perhaps Harry wanted out and Monte did him a solid.
I here you, Maybe Giles did want out. Like I kinda already discussed, I can totally see why Giles would want to leave for Portland. If I were him I would do the same. However, if the team I was already on that I enjoyed playing on and saw potential opportunity for myself in (which there was) and they are offering me 3.5 for one year or 8 for 2 years then maybe I choose that instead.
maybe that did happen and harry still chose Portland at the minimum for one year. Maybe we will never know. Thats why I wont hold this against Monty for now. However, regardless it is another cause for concern on top of how the Bogi trade was handled and how he is seemingly choosing Buddy over Bogi which I think is a big mistake considering each players skill level and their contract size on top of the playing style you would hope they want to play moving forward.
I think it was always weird that some thought Giles would stay. This team declined a modestly priced year of his contract and basically sullied his reputation in the press.
There was never much of a chance he’d hang around.
And I would like for him to have stayed, just as a prospecting move. But from a basketball perspective, I’m skeptical we’ll regret it.
I agree with that. I’m not even mad because I think he is amazing. I think he’s good with the chance of being great and an off chance of be amazing.
And for that possible reward at that price tag, you bring him back. Nuff said.
Yep. I held out hope (foolishly) because I thought the FO change could have convinced him to stay. But it was never realistic.
Giles was all potential and charisma. He was mostly ineffective and totally inconsistent. The affinity this fanbase has for mediocre players is exasperating.
He’s played a total of 1500 minutes and is only 22 years old. It was worth a minimum contract to see if the big man just needed a few years to develop post-injury. You don’t need to assume you’re better at porjecting his future development than any other member of the fanbase billoddity.
YES!! Thank you RORDOG
Is he replaceable? Sure.
THATS NOT THE POINT THOUGH!!!! The point is, for that price and considering all that you have already invested in him, you keep him, 100%. Throw on top of that the upside that we all can blatantly see and it’s even more obvious. Throw on top of that he’s an A+ team mate/locker room presence and fan favorite, YOU KEEP THAT GUY AT THAT PRICE. period.
We can try to act like it’s not because “hes replacable” or “he couldnt stay on the floor because of fouls” or “he wasn’t consistent on offense or defense” but those are just excuses trying to rationalize how blatantly stupid it is to not keep Harry Giles. It’s really bad.
Well said, ArcoThunder.
Glad to see we’re not overreacting 😉
If Giles was willing to stay for the minimum then I’d agree he’s worth it. We have no way of knowing if he would.
The time/money the org already spent on him is a sunk cost. You can’t consider that when making decisions.
Just like we shouldn’t get too high after the draft (more luck than skill Tyrese was available and who knows how the 2nd rounders will turn out) we can’t get too low because Harry signed with a perennial playoff team for the minimum.
“The time/money the org already spent on him is a sunk cost. You can’t consider that when making decisions.”
Yeah you can. In this case they should have. Its a sunken cost now because he’s out the door. If you bring him back for 2 years at 6 million and he plays next year like a player thats worth 10 million per year statistically (Which is highly likely) then your investment just paid off. BIG TIME. Then, maybe that last year of his contract when he’s making 3 million and its the allstar break you trade Harry Giles for a future first round draft pick. Now you still have value from the investment you made in a certain asset, even though he’s not on your team anymore.
This is why this is STUPID.
How would you feel if Vlade was still our GM and this just happened?
So whats the difference now if Monty is the GM? It’s not, it’s just as STUPID.
I am so very very very tired of stupid by our front office. This makes me sick. If I find out they tried and Harry opted for Portland then I take it all back. Until then, this is really really stupid.
A couple things:
1) Seems like you don’t understand the definition of a sunk cost. It’s not a forward looking element (in your example you cite essentially pay him now, it could pay off later if he’s worth more which could turn out to be true that’s not what I’m referencing when talking about sunk costs.)
2) You state it’s highly likely next year he plays like he’s worth $10mil. Unless you’ve got some inside info, if that were true he’d have signed for more than the minimum. He may pan out. He may not. It’s still very much an unknown. Teams are throwing huge numbers at semi-capable bigs this offseason.
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He will never be able to guard in the NBA, interior or on perimter. I’ve seen enough of Harry to come to this conclusion. He doesn’t get off the floor quickly and he doesn’t move well laterally. He’s fairly strong but he’s only 220-225. His knees will not cooperate. And the reason he only got the minimum is bc this was the general assessment of 30 other GMs.
Knowing what the Kings Organization knows about Giles (more than 29 other teams) I think it’s ridiculously stupid to not bring him back for slightly more than what Portland just gave him.
I don’t see any rationale not to keep him at that low of a price unless Giles said “I’d like a fresh start somewhere else”.
kings4ever: I agree with this assessment. I like Giles, but he fails the eye test defensively, and that’s not going to change because his failings are the result of his injuries. I wish it were different.
“You don’t need to assume you’re better at porjecting his future development than any other member of the fanbase billoddity.”
And neither do you.
Yes, the problem with this organization is and always has been the fan base.
…well, buying the FO’s nonsense thrust upon us by Crew Peaches hasn’t helped.
Not all of us listen(ed) to him, and not all that listen(ed) bought in. In fact, I have found that there is a huge portion of the fan base that is quite reasonable. I guess it depends with whom and where one spends their time.
A great example of a fair reasonable fan is Jill Adge. And somehow, she manages to be controversial with some people which is mind blowing yet somehow true. I’ll never understand the internet as long as I live.
Well… it’s not like the Kings have had many high end players to have affinity for over the past 14 years, so it’s not like kings fans have much choice, assuming they want to fan for their team’s players – basically have to have affinity for ‘mediocre’ players……. or go root for a contender elsewhere.
He was also super young, and super talented.
“big men take longer to develop” thats a saying we hear all the time. So when you draft a guy who hasn’t played basketball in 2 years, then you hold him out another year to protect your investment and then you slowly work him in over the next two seasons while he works through other injuries while showing glimpses of greatness, YOU KEEP HIM!!!!!!!!
and you retain that guy when you’re the new GM and the old the GM before you just got fired, partially for not extending the qualifying offer to him.
I’m so pissed. This is just dumb and I am soooooooooo sick of dumb shit our front office does.
Monty just dropped off a cliff for me. Great draft, I’ll give him that but SHITTY handling of Bogi with the bucks, shitty letting Baze walk for 2.3 million to a team in your own division, shitty not trading Buddy on draft night, an really shitty for not firing Luke.
This is not as bad but pretty damn close to Pete D letting Isiah Thomas go for nothing. Just for background, once Pete D let Isiah go the way he did I was done. I would have fired him right then and there. It’s still one of the worst GM decisions I have ever seen in my life and I will always hate him for that. This is pretty close to that. So, I dont hate Monty, yet. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt after such a great draft but this just significantly shortened the leash. Theres literally only one reason why Monty shouldn’t have kept Giles and thats if Giles wanted to leave. Until I know for a fact that this was the case Monty can suck a D.
Wait, didn’t I just read a comment from you in the other thread about the significance of losing Bazemore?
Bazemore is player who can contribute on a consistent level to a quality team, and play lockdown defense. I like Giles but he’ll rarely see the floor on a good team and disappears, not for parts of a game but for parts of a season. I’m tired of the term flashes. I’ve been watching this team since 1985 and just really tired of these players that have so much value here and then you never hear from them again. I could make a list but anyone who’s watched this team understands how many Harry Giles’ we’ve had over the years. Just because he’s cheap doesn’t mean you need to take up a roster spot with him.
Yeah, it does. When he’s that cheap, that young, that talented, that cool, that well liked, with that much upside, AND you already made a HUGE financial investment in him.
You 100% take up a roster spot with that guy. He’s a potential starter on this roster with huge upside for 3 million a year for 2 years guaranteed.
Think about that and then tell me that is not some seriously stupid ass shit!
And just for reference, I have been watching this team since 1985 as well. I’m tired too, I feel you man. But Harry, at that price, for this team, for this coming season and next… you keep. I feel really strongly about that.
ArcoThunder it’s hard to tell if you feel strongly about this or not.
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Farewell, sweet Prince.
Hopefully Portland’s sports radio hosts don’t carry their front office’s water and declare him The Savior.
one thing’s for sure, Kevin Calabro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peaches
Bruno Caboclo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peaches
I’ll preach the flavor of the day. I’m a yo yo, I back whatever suits my narrative at the time, dating all the way back to the Magoofs.
Apricots >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peaches
Am I doing this right?
The real crime here is bad asset management from the idiots of the old Front Office (i.e. Vlade).
Even if Mcnair doesn’t want Harry back, we could’ve at least gotten a 2nd rd pick from Harry. Not to mention the 10th pick we traded netted us 0 as of right now. (Some could even argue a negative since we have to pay Barnes).
Exactly. Which is why I am pissed. Monty has been pumping up this “assets” philosophy since he’s been here. So why not off Giles a bigger and longer contract to stay?!?!?! thats bad asset management as much as Vlade not picking up the qualifying offer was. Plenty of people in this organization and front office are still here that know how valuable Harry Giles could be to this team at 2.3million. Offer him 3 mill for 2 and we are likely seeing Harry in Sac for another 2 years. The fact that this did not happen is STUPID!!!!!!! and thats on Monty, not Vlade.
Now, if we here that Monty offered Giles 2 years for 6 million and Giles chose to go to Portland then fine. Thats on Giles and I wish him luck.
That’s not how I perceive it as. According to the reports, it sounds like Harry despite whatever we offer him, would not want to stay. It’s on Vlade because we had a chance to control the player. It’s hardly Monte’s point since at this point, it’s up to Harry.
Show me where you are getting this info please.
Seriously. PLEASE!!!
I would love to read somewhere a quote or a report from Harry’s agent or an inside reporter that could confirm what you are saying. That Harry wanted to sign the minimum in Portland as opposed to returning to Sac for the minimum or a contract for more money and more years.
PLEASE attach a link to that tweet or article or whatever it is. PLEASE!!!
I’d love to not be pissed off about this and put a stop to the growing hate inside of me for Monty. I’m so tired of stupid. I was so happy when Stupid got fired and we hired a new guy that by all accounts wasn’t stupid. Yet here we are, Witnessing a great draft along with a botched Bogi deal thats being investigated by the NBA, a terrible evaluation choice of Buddy over Bogi and a failure bring Back a player for basically nothing that your franchise has invested millions in and who could potentially be a starter on this team as early as NOW and who is a fan favorite and overall good human. This is what I am seeing. What happens with Boi and buddy we dont know yet, the Bogi Bucks deal could all be the fault of the Bucks and Bogi. So I’m holding out Judgement on those things. He had an A+ draft which is awesome. Losing Giles when he could have come back for 3 million per year or even 4 per year over 2 years would have easily been worth it. It’s stupid that we aren’t celebrating Giles returning. Absolutely stupid.
Dude.
This franchise leaked rumors of Giles’ poor work ethic to the press, and declined a cheap option for the fourth season of his rookie deal.
I think it’s incumbent on you to show he actually wanted to come back.
I’m begging for someone to show me a tweet or some article that has an interview or inside information through some anonymous source saying Giles was pissed and wanted out. Chose to take less money that was offered by The new Kings front office and turned it down to go to Portland.
I want that info to make me feel better about this.
I don’t want that info because I need someone to prove me wrong. I want to be wrong. I want to be convinced otherwise.
unfortunately, from what I do know and what I have read and what I have heard is that Giles signed the minimum to be as deep if not deeper on the bench for the Blazers than he would be in Sac for the league minimum. good luck to him. I hope he chose Portland over more money to stay here. I hope he chose that, I want to here how he chose that.
we heard how IT was hurt by the Kings not wanting to retain him. Is Giles equally hurt that Monte and his staff didn’t want to keep him? Is he hurt or was he pissed that Vlade didn’t extend the qualifying offer? Did he hold it against the entire franchise? Would he have come back if Monte offered him anything more than the minimum? Did Monte actually offer him money and Giles turned it down?
I don’t know, I am googling and searching for anything to make me less pissed off at how incredibly stupid this appears to be. If you or anyone can help with info that would make me less upset please do pass it along.
what makes you think someone would have traded a second round pick for him? If anyone was able to gamble literally more than the minimum in him, they could have had him.
If Vlade didn’t decline the QO and if Monte doesn’t really want him back, they have no choice but to send some assets to us or cash for us to agree to not match the minimum.
You didn’t answer the question – why would the Blazers give up a second round pick for a guy who is barely in the league? Anyone could have had him for more than the minimum this offseason and they declined. Nobody was trading a second round pick to take him on at $4 million.
You’re a Blazer, Harry. 🙁
I’m going to assume that Harry told the Kings that he didn’t want to return. In that case, why stress over it. Loved the kid but I think he’s too small to be a Center and too limited defensively to be a PF. 3.9M can be spent better elsewhere. More unhappy with Bazemore leaving for 2.3M. Much more productive and consistent.
Baze obviously chose to play for Golden State for reasons outside of money. Theres no way in hell he couldn’t find a bigger contract from all 29 other teams.
Harry… Not so sure. I get that he would want a fresh start and maybe like a potential fit in Portland but I have a hard time believing that Harry wouldn’t have returned to Sac for 2 years at 6 if it was offered. Since I have a hard time believing that, it leads me to believe that Monty didn’t offer it. Which means he is not as smart and good at his job as I was hoping he was. In fact, it unfortunately means that he’s likely more of the same sorry ass shit – KANGZ.
this sucks.
Portland is where all ex-King bigs go as the next stop.
Not really.
It sucks that we didn’t draft Luka Doncic. This is minor in the realm that is all-things KaNgZ.
Loved the kid but I have homer glasses that blinds me from his mobility with his passing ability. Not sure he wanted to stay because
This was on Vlade and I can’t imagine any reason why Harry would want to stay with the Kings. Who would choose to play for the Kings over the Blazers? I think any idea that he’d want to stay around here because the fan base likes him is silly.
That would be silly. What wouldn’t be silly is wanting to stick around because you like more money ð° on top of the potential for a starting role here if you continue improving.
if he would rather be in Portland for the minimum as opposed to Sac for slightly more than more power to him and Monte is off the hook. It’s all in Vlade. However, if that is not the case, if Harry would have stayed in sac for 2 at 6 then we should all be upset about that.
if Vlade were the GM and this shit just happened with Giles signing with Portland for the minimum this website would be on fire and the account for fire Vlade billboards would be overflowing with cash.
things we can evaluate our new GM on.
1.) A+ draft
2.) Gentry Hire
3.) Failure to retain Giles for a very small amount of money.
other things soon.
At least I’ll always have my wedding photos *sigh*
This is disappointing but not a surprise.
My mindset is any moves from here on out are truly to make this team better.
The previous GM is gone so I’m done acknowledging let alone blaming him.
Onward and upward. Go King’s!
G naps, I love this sentiment.
I was right there with you, onward and upward!!!
the failure in not retaining Giles for such a small amount is very concerning to me and killed that sentiment. It’s concerning because it seems so obvious to me.
Keep Bogi? Let him walk? I have an opinion on that too but it’s not necessarily the right one. There’s an argument to either side. A lot of it based around future money being tied up or not. That’s a fair conundrum that I will have an opinion on when the decision is made. While I might disagree with the choice Monte eventually makes in regards to Bogi I’ll be able to respect that decision because it was clearly made with what Monte sees as what’s best for the future. It’s a hard choice either way. I’m down with that. What I am not down with Is completely bumbling obvious decisions. Retaining Giles in Sac for anything less then 3.9 million for one year is an absolute no brainer for this team at this time. Period. It’s the same no brainer that initially got us all pissed off that started with Vlade F’n up.
Monte seriously F’d up this very easy decision and that is seriously concerning to me.
If Giles doesn’t fit with the kind of team McNair wants to construct, any amount of money spent on Giles is wasted. Given that he probably wants more mobile players who can switch, especially on the pick and roll, and close down on shooters on the perimeter, it makes sense that he didn’t make an effort to keep Giles, assuming, of course, that Giles was interested in staying here. As noted by others, Giles had plenty of reasons to want to play elsewhere.
The world of communications is a subtle one and this issue is a prime example Consider the following Harry didn’t want to play here anymore, The Front office didn’t see him as a fit on this roster? (they didn’t draft him), thought his body won’t hold up?
Front offices don’t come out and air dirty laundry, so that’s why we got the messaging from other sources, RE Carmichael Dave
As an aside had Vlade picked up his option what would have this front office done then?
Giles was a likable player who was mistreated by the former front office. He was an underdog that we all wanted to succeed because of his injuries, his positive personality and his work ethic. With all that said, though, his departure will be a footnote on McNair’s record, McNair will succeed or fail here based upon other, much more significant decisions. Personally, I think that the more aggressive he moves to rebuild with players of his own choice, the better we will do.
Well, the new and improved Kings BBOps was fun while it lasted!
https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1330724163397455877
In sum, Amick reporting that McNair may not be as empowered as we thought, with Vivek still meddling and giving his son a larger voice too.
So, shit.
If Amick is correct, it is alarming. McNair can’t keep Buddy and Bogi after drafting Halliburton, and, if Amick is to be believed, McNair has to let Bogi go.
this Seems like nothin. More theorizing than anything else. If this, and we assume tha, then maybe this, and possibly that, which could lead to this, and that might happen. Somethings gotta give.
the ranadive involvement stuff and his son’s involvement stuff is all just fishing for clicks here in my opinion. It’s all speculation stuff.
in regards to the basketball decisions in front of McNair… he is 100% correct. Somethings gotta give. If infact there is zero trade market for buddy (wxhich I find hard to believe) then yeah, you can’t really match Bogi and keep him on the roster and un tradable for an entire season when you just drafted Halliburton. Agreed. I think we already kinda knew that didn’t we?
Fred Vanvleet just signed a contract for 4 years at about 21 million per. Buddy’s cont descends but averages about 21 million a year. It’s not a crazy contract. That would seem to be very tradable. If it’s not tradable and there’s zero market then Luke fucked us and Monte is Screwed at no fault of his own. He could have kept Giles for basically nothing though and didn’t. That hurts.
Yeah, that’s not really how Sam rolls.
League minimum for Giles? What a steal. All I have to say is last year when Fox was injured, and the backcourt of Joseph, Hield was looking like Michael J. Fox’s team before he became Teen Wolf, putting Harry Giles in the same lineup turned them into an nba team. I mean, Joseph and Hield couldn’t even break a Rick Pitino Kentucky press, let alone get the ball near the 3-point line. But you could blindfold them and tell them to simply throw the ball down court somewhere, and chances are Giles would grab it and initiate a better offense than whatever offense had been planned.
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