The Kings Herald Show featuring Jerry Reynolds, Will Griffith, and Tony Xypteras returns to talk Sacramento Kings preseason basketball. We’ve got expectations, predictions, lineup notes, rotation talk, goals, and everything else you’d expect in a preview of something.
Timestamps:
- (2:00) What does a GM and head coach look for in the preseason?
- (3:15) What should we expect from more established players like Fox and Haliburton in the preseason?
- (4:00) Do preseason expectations change for less established players?
- (5:30) How important is the 2021 preseason for Marvin Bagley?
- (8:55) Should Kings fans buy into the training camp hype?
- (12:00) Will Monte McNair look to make a big move before the season starts?
- (16:00) Is this roster well balanced like Monte McNair suggests?
- (20:00) How much of the three guard lineups will we actually see this season?
- (27:20) What can we expect from Davion Mitchell in his rookie season?
- (39:10) How good can Tyrese Haliburton be?
- (43:40) What would make this a successful season for the Sacramento Kings?
One quick note on the audio this week – we had some issues towards the beginning of the show with the recording. We tried cleaning it up as best we could, and it gets better as the show goes on, but yeah. It’s there. Apologies. We’ll do better next time.
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Good show.
When Tony said he did not know whether Buddy would be better defending 3’s, talked about how his strength might help at the 3, and about how Buddy might be better at defending the 3 (though this was very non-committal), I immediately doubted it. I thought it made a lot of sense that Buddy would be worse defending the 3 than he is defending the 2.
But then I decided to see if lineup data might be able to prove my thought or at least shed a little light. I looked at 3-man lineups to find the defensive rating for a couple different groups:
First thing apparent is that putting Tyrese in for Buddy improves the defense at least for three man lineups. But when comparing Barnes at the 3 with supposedly Buddy at the 3, they are nearly identical in Drtg. Barnes may be playing the 4 in the Fox, Tyrese, Hield lineups but that’s still Buddy or Tyrese, a guard, at the 3.
So maybe I’m wrong. We’ll apparently see more of Buddy or Tyrese at the 3 with Buddy at the 2 this season, so I guess we’ll find out.
I appreciate you looking that up. I’m definitely not comfortable saying anything with confidence w/r/t Buddy’s defense. He’s just not good on that end no matter where you play him, but I don’t want to write off him being a potentially better or similarly bad defender defender at 3 vs. 2
Buddy always struck me as a player with below average quickness / athleticism at 2 with above average strength. He’s a very good rebounder at guard, and as we’ve seen with guys like PJ Tucker, an extreme example I know, but strength can sometimes fill the height gap when defending taller players. So *if* Buddy is a better defender at 3 than he is at 2, I just wouldn’t be surprised. I’d have to watch him closer in those matchups to feel comfortable saying it with conviction.
And let’s be real, I’m not really complimenting him here lol. I’ve been so disappointed with his defense at guard that my take can be boiled down to “how much worse can he be at 3?”
Fun fact: The Athletic has Bagley’s contract extension value at 4 years, $20M. That’s $20M total, not per year, for all you MB3 fans out there.
Oof. That’s a couple million less than league average.
Do you trust John Hollinger’s assessments? He also has Mikal Bridges as a 31.25 million a year player. Is that right?
His BORD calculations seem really off with certain players. DiVincenzo as an almost 25 million a year player seem unusually high. Okogie seems high. Brunson too. Mitchell Robinson seems really low.
538 has Bagley at 5 years, $40 million, which seems about right, and possibly even low if he improves at all this season.
Can’t imagine anyone offering Marv a five-year deal with his injury history. My guess is he signs a one-year thinking he can increase his value. But he very likely descends into Cousins territory, struggling to find a min contract on a new team every year. If he can get 5/40, he should jump on it.
I agree, I think what’s important with their number is average annual value, not length of contract. It’s a five year value and not a contract suggestion.
That being said, I think Bagley gets a three year deal somewhere unless he’s hurt all year.
I hear you, but why are these “experts” even suggesting 4/20, 5/40? They have to be implying he gets 4-5 more years in the league, right?
Yeah, I suppose that does mean he’ll stay in the league, but as I mentioned, it definitely doesn’t mean he’ll get a long term deal. Derrick Williams got six years in the NBA and Bagley is definitely better. Barring injury, my guess is that Bagley is still in the NBA in five years.
Outside of Sacramento nobody knows who Bagley is. They plug his stats into a spreadsheet and it spits out a number.
They do not factor in how often he sits at home in Phoenix.
The only team that can offer a 5 year deal is the Kings. Other teams can only offer 4 years. Unless Marvin gets traded and that team has his Bird rights.
So… they think Marv is going to be on the Kings for the next 5 years? Is there a Vegas prop bet on that?
The article he referenced is not a contract prediction, it is a prediction of their value over the next four years.
Bagley is the next Cousins in so many ways.
All that “potential” is a train wreck waiting to happen.
Correction: 538 has Bagley’s five year value (not contract prediction) at $30 million, not $40 million. Was looking at the wrong year.
If he stays healthy he is lucky to get a three year deal.
With his daddy’s intelligence he signs a one year deal thinking he will play a good season and sign a max contract the following year.
Oh, but let’s see if he improves and becomes great. Bench big at best from the moment they drafted him, in my opinion.
Are you sure those noises aren’t someone sneaking in some potato chips?
Reminds me of the time when DeMarcus Cousins came on to Grant’s show one day and brought in a bunch of candy to eat while being interviewed.
“Say, Grant. What do you call those things you are sprinkling on your ice cream?”
WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKS IS EATING POTATO CHIPS
It’s definitely not Jerry, unless he’s an All-NBA ventriloquist.
My guess is that it is Tony Chipteras.
mob name = Tony Chipotle
I’m not going down for this!!
There’s no potato chips being eaten!
(they’re pita chips and it’s 10000% Tony)
Yes because you’re way too important to ever eat Pita Chips, amirite or amirite Will?
I’m going with the theory that TKH is partnering with some chip company, and this is their way of doing guerrilla marketing.
Expect to see a Chip company sponsor logo on the next iteration of the TKH jerseys for sale at the online store.
Lottoritos
Lays an Egg
Ruffles a fanbase
Takis Cheap
I swear I saw Dick Bevetta receive a *free bag of Cheato’s from the 2002 L*kers after Game 6.
He was pounding them like he was stoned. He didn’t sound stoned, but he did express some optimism about the organization, and he should know that admitting that you have a problem is the first step toward getting better.
Turns out it was Will all along –
Jerry’s wisdom shared near the end of the show about mistakes and life and age is so wonderful to hear.
Absolutely. That was a really great moment, I thought. I love that guy.
Nice episode, but how can you guys not know that eating chips would show up on the damn podcast? That was ridiculous.
“If Marvin Bagley could prove without a doubt that he’s your best 4 and one of your 5 best players, things could look up. But that hadn’t been the case.”
As always, Jerry nails it. The key to this roster, fair or not, is Bagley’s development. Am I optimistic? No. I’d need to see 20-25 games before I’d become optimistic. But….that would be a welcome development.
Also, liked the assessment of Barnes at 4 ! Really good on Offense but a poor rebounder and barely average rebounding for a three ! Bagley a key to success which seems very scary and depressing but likely factual ! Need a minor miracle it appears !
Davion’s footwork, speed, and tenacity is incredible to watch. He moves his feet like prime Pacquiao:
There are going to be times where the ballhandler will be able to go up to where Mitchell can’t reach and get a clean look, but I’ll bet that when he’s switched onto a much larger player, he’ll crawl inside the guy’s jersey and get him off-balance and uncomfortable. Mitchell is strong, and bullying him won’t be as easy as some might expect.
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