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Mock Draft Roundup: Who will Kings take at 4?

There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus for the Kings at 4 yet, although a couple names pop up more than most.

The Kings jumped up to 4th in last night's draft lottery.  Most draft pundits seem to think the top three picks are pretty much set, which basically means the real draft starts with the Kings at 4. Let's see what those pundits have to say in their first mock drafts now that the draft order is set.

ESPN - Keegan Murray, F, Iowa

The Kings will take long looks at both Jaden Ivey, who could create a dynamic backcourt with De'Aaron Fox, or Murray, arguably the best player in college basketball this past season. Murray doesn't need plays called for him to be effective and should be able to play as a stretch-4 alongside Domantas Sabonis, as well in smaller lineups as a small-ball center with Harrison Barnes. The Kings have said they want to return to playoff contention as soon as possible, and picking an almost 22-year-old All-American certainly will help with that.

The Athletic - Jaden Ivey, G, Purdue

Picking Ivey this high is all about his upside. He’s the best athlete in the class and was extremely productive this year at Purdue. He has a lightning-quick first step, can power through defenders on the move and finish with explosive leaps at the hoop. The way he uses his speed to create driving lanes and transition opportunities resembles No. 1 pick John Wall early in his NBA career.

The Ringer - Shaedon Sharpe, G/F, Kentucky

Moving up to the fourth pick puts the Kings in a fascinating position considering owner Vivek Ranadive’s reported mandate for the team to make the playoffs. Could they try to move up, down, or out? This is where the draft gets especially interesting. If they stay put, Jaden Ivey is generally projected as the fourth pick, but the Kings just drafted Davion Mitchell last season and De’Aaron Fox averaged 28.9 points following the Tyrese Haliburton deal. I could see them going in a different direction. Sharpe would provide more of a punch from the wing position with fluidity as an off-the-dribble scorer who can use an array of advanced moves. That alone could make him a top-five pick. Factor in his unselfishness on offense and grit on defense and he has the makings of a potential star.

SBNation - Jaden Ivey, G, Purdue

Ivey’s breakout sophomore year at Purdue established him as the top guard prospect in this year’s draft. At 6’4, 195 pounds with a reported 6’9 wingspan, Ivey is a big guard who can play both on and off the ball. His best attribute is his elite speed — from his blazing first step at a standstill to his ability to burn defenders in the open floor, Ivey is able to create separation from even the most athletic defenders with his burst. He’s also a great leaper around the basket with impressive midair agility who can contort his body and extend his arms for acrobatic finishes.

CBS Sports - Jaden Ivey, G, Purdue

Ivey is an explosive athlete who plays big and is capable of attacking the rim in a variety of ways. As the Kings continue to build, the Purdue star would be a great option at this point in the draft in part because he could reasonably play beside DeAaron Fox.

Sports Illustrated - Shaedon Sharpe, G/F, Kentucky

Based on the buzz at the combine, where Sharpe put on a lengthy pro day workout on Monday that included some dazzling footwork and shot-making, it feels very much like he’s going to hear his name called in the top five on draft night. I’d also scrap the notion that the first four picks are locked in as there's a very real chance Sharpe crashes the party. He’s an amazing athlete who can create space for himself and is also a gifted shooter—rarely do those things all come in one teenage prospect. There are definitely areas of his game he needs to iron out, and he’s behind his peers in terms of high-level game experience, but Sharpe’s upside is significant to the point where someone is going to take a swing. The Kings will have to think hard about it.

USA Today - Shaedon Sharpe, G/F, Kentucky

He didn’t play a minute of college basketball, so it’s hard to know exactly what you’re getting here.

But sometimes, the intrigue adds to the value of a prospect like Shaedon Sharpe, the top-rated recruit in his class before he reclassified. The Kings could take a worthwhile risk on a pick like this one, and he would be an interesting fit next to De’Aaron Fox and Davion Mitchell.

Sharpe is someone who will use his athleticism to stand out during private team workouts, too.

Bleacher Report - Jaden Ivey, G, Purdue

A backcourt of De'Aaron Fox and Jaden Ivey may be the NBA's fastest. Unless the Kings become infatuated with Shaedon Sharpe's upside, or they view AJ Griffin's shooting as too good a fit, Ivey should get the nod as the best player available. He would give Sacramento a second option capable of putting constant pressure on defenses.

 

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BestHyperboleEver
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May 18, 2022 10:45 am

Ivey is the only one commonly suggested the I wouldn’t be happy with.

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May 18, 2022 1:24 pm

Same.

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May 18, 2022 1:55 pm
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Ivey it is then.

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May 18, 2022 10:48 am

Leaning towards Sharpe right now. Wouldn’t mind Murray if we trade down 1 or 2 spots.

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May 18, 2022 10:57 am
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Trading down seems like the win-now decision they would want, turning #4 and filler into a starter (Jerami Grant, Bey, Josh Hart) + Murray. Or #4 and filler to ATL for Collins and #16.

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May 18, 2022 11:04 am
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I would do the Pistons deal centered around either Bay or Grant rather than the Atlanta deal. Of course, we have to pray for Detroit to fall in love with one of Sharpe or Ivey that they will be willing to give up Grant or Bey to move up 1 spot. I doubt it but we never know.

I still think there’s a possibility one of the consensus top 3 guys drops to 4. I don’t know why but it keeps crossing my mind.

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May 18, 2022 11:50 am
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I think moving from 5 to 4 works for DET, since indications are they don’t want to pay Grant past his current deal anyway.

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May 18, 2022 12:42 pm
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Doubt they let Bey go but a deal around him or Grant would be ideal if the top 3 prospects are gone.

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May 18, 2022 1:41 pm
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I think Grant has gone the Tobias Harris route of underrated to overrated with neck-snapping speed. Grant is great to have as a low-ish cost role player in a narrow 3-and-D role. If you could convince him to play that role again (for the Kings no less) then he could be really useful if a bit overpaid. If you can’t, then his .556 TS% on 25USG with underwhelming reb and asst numbers aren’t helping anyone.

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May 18, 2022 1:56 pm

I’m hearing he wants 4 year – $100M+ deal…certainly worrisome.

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May 18, 2022 2:11 pm
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In general, I just don’t think non-contenders should be paying FA market rates for role players. Especially ones I’m not certain will be willing to embrace the role that would benefit the team most.

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May 18, 2022 7:51 pm

I still like that deal. Grant is going to have value at the trade deadline, so if the Kings really like Keegan Murray, and know he will be there at 5, why not make the deal and use Grant to gain another asset, wether it be a FRP from a playoff team or a more established veteran that doesnt fit on their team.

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May 19, 2022 7:13 am

“A low-ish cost role player in a narrow 3 and D role.” Have you seen Grant handle the ball?

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May 18, 2022 5:58 pm
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Or turning #4 into a starter and a swing.

if you trade for a guy like Grant, it makes a Sharpe risk more palatable. You’re basically improving the team’s floor AND ceiling.

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May 19, 2022 2:23 pm
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I would not trade down more than 2 slots. This is a unique position. Ivey is going to be real good- but he is–again- redundant- with Fox.
Down to Atlanta- no.
Down to Detroit- yes- if Detroit is in love with Ivey, and does not want to “lose “him, then good deal. Like Hawks- Mavs Doncic-Trae trade.
$ 4 for $5 and draft pick ( first) or Grant.
This is dependent on Detroit loving Ivey and Kings not loving Ivey. Consolation prize is Murray or Sharpe. + assets.
Detroit likes Bey over Grant. and why would Kings want Hart? He is good but not a game changer.
That would mean getting Portland’s #6. which would be Sharpe since I think Indiana likes Murray. Lots of guards.
Kings have to decide the order of preference for Ivey, Murray and Sharpe and act accordingly. If it is Ivey, pick him at 4. He won’t last longer. If it is Sharpe could go down 2 slots.
Incidentally, I do think Ivey is a game changer and maybe Sharpe. Murray is very solid but not the #1 option where as Ivey and Sharpe may end up that.

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May 18, 2022 11:11 am

Hope we trade up. Just got a whole lot cheaper thanks to the lottery.

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May 19, 2022 2:27 pm

unless some is really in love with Ivey, no trade up possible. Orlando has Cole Anthony OKC has SGA and Houston has J. Green. No options up there.
I could see Chet dropping. Then I would easily take Sharpe or Murray or there will be a fool that wants a toothpick.

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May 18, 2022 11:15 am

We got a little more than a month for Monte to lock his door, take his phone off the receiver, block Vivek in his DMs, and work some magic.

I look forward to endless speculation ending in endless anxiety.

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May 18, 2022 10:05 pm

FIFY: I look forward to endless speculation ending in endless anxiety disappointment.

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May 18, 2022 11:20 am

It’s a tough decision, but a good problem to have. Assuming the consensus top three go as planned, I’d be content with Murray as a stretch four, Sharpe as a wing, or Ivey. If the latter can use his physical gifts to become an attentive defender, he may end up being the best player drafted in a couple of years.

I’d think that there will be opportunities to trade down to five or six and still get one of these three, and depending on what comes with the lower spot, I’d have no problem in doing so. Having said that, and barring an absolutely exceptional offer, I don’t think you can pull the trigger on that until the top three picks are made. If any of Banchero, Smith or Holmgren is available at four, you absolutely have to use the pick to get him.

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May 18, 2022 12:16 pm
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For information just read that a trade of Barnes, Holiday and our $4 for Pascal Siakim. Any comments?

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May 18, 2022 1:52 pm
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I think I’d go ahead and do that. Toronto doesn’t own their own pick at twenty, so we can’t ask for it, but Siakam fundamentally changes the nature of the Kings if added.

Beyond that, I try and add some shooting via free agency, second-rounders, or undrafted guys. Great shooters are still rare, but there are still plenty of guys who can knock down league-average or better from three, and who have never gotten consistent rotation minutes. Get a couple of them who can score and play active defense like Davis, but ideally at least one who can play at any of 3/4/5.

Dependent on what else happens, I wouldn’t rule out the addition of Siakam pushing Sacramento to have a not-completely ridiculous shot at a five or six seed. His contract, like Sabonis’, has two years left, and both are motivated. Even if it all goes to shit, you open up a max-player-level chunk of space in the summer of ’24.

I’ve probably not considered any number of reasons why this is a terrible idea.

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May 18, 2022 8:20 pm
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The problem with Siakem. He would be another starter on the Floor who can’t shoot the 3. The spacing will be terrible. Even adding Siakem does not make the Kings Top 5. Maybe 8 or play in.. But, a healthy Western Conference will be brutal next year. Think about Kawhi healthy, Murray and Porter healthy, Zion back. Portland is one player away from being very good again with Lillard and Simons.

If the goal is to get to the play in or maybe 8. But, what’s the long term goal.

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May 18, 2022 2:07 pm
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I’d like someone to find a GIF of the scene in O Brother Where Art Though where the protagonist is in the movie theatre and one of his sidekicks is sitting behind him saying “do not seek the treasure” because, well, I don’t know, honestly

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May 18, 2022 2:49 pm
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May 18, 2022 2:51 pm

i couldn’t find the one you’re looking for quickly, but I did find a lot of Oh Brother gold. I feel like these will come in handy as some point:

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May 18, 2022 3:20 pm

That middle one works! And the first one above. As long as no one was turned into a toad, we’re all cool.

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May 19, 2022 8:16 am
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WE THOUGHT YOU WAS A TOOOOOAAAADDDD

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May 18, 2022 4:00 pm
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I would do that. Too much risk keeping the pick if we want to win now and stay on Sabonis’ timeline. Bringing in another all-star would definitely get us to the playoffs.

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May 18, 2022 12:30 pm
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Holmgren scares me. Haven’t seen him dominate against top tier opponents. Skinny as a toothpick. Could be a huge bust. Others more knowledgeable than me see him as a top three. I see him in the 7-10 range.

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May 18, 2022 12:33 pm
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Cheztaps Holmzingus?

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May 18, 2022 2:55 pm
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I don’t think he’s in the same tier as Smith or Banchero, but I think he’s the 3rd best prospect & all by himself in my 2nd tier.

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May 19, 2022 2:30 pm
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if he drops to 4, great. Pick him and Trade him in a nanosecond. there are those who like him.

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May 18, 2022 1:27 pm
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Do you still pick one of those top three guys if they don’t come to Sac for an interview or workout?

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May 18, 2022 1:32 pm
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Yes. Look nobody actually WANTS to come to Sac given the choice. No, not even guys that have smart enough PR in their corner to say they do like Fox and Bagley. Those guys want to go as high in the draft as possible and they know saying they want to go somewhere and take on the challenge is exactly what teams want to hear. Given the choice of Sacramento or another NBA city, nobody is choosing Sacramento. The only option is to get them here and then convince them, via goodwill, success, or money, that they want to stay.

BilboSwaggins
May 18, 2022 11:22 am

Barring one of the top three falling, I feel it has to be one of Sharpe or Murray. Monte has historically made the safe/conservative pick, which in this case would be Murray. However, with his job potentially on the line, the potential for Sharpe to bring this roster to another level may be too tantalizing to pass up. I would be happy with either, but would lean towards Sharpe just due to his ceiling.

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May 18, 2022 11:25 am

Not able to give an opinion on Sharpe but he seems really intriguing. And it’s hard to argue with Murray’s production and efficiency as a 2-way forward/wing.

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May 18, 2022 11:38 am
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I think Sharpe is going to move up in mock drafts and then in the actual draft as well.

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May 18, 2022 11:50 am
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A Sharpe rise up people’s boards (pun intended) would drop one of Jabari, Chet, or Paulo down to Sac.

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May 18, 2022 11:55 am
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That’s a good….point!

And I hope it happens. 🙂

…I know if it does happen, I’ll start thinking: “Hmmm….maybe we should select Sharpe, actually.”

#FOMO

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May 18, 2022 12:50 pm
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I’ve been watching his pro day workouts and man is that guy smooth. He can control the pace of his movements, has a tight handle, an easy shooting stroke, and effortless bounce. Really seems like the kind of guy that becomes the third star between Fox and Sabonis. It’ll be hard to pass on him, even for a guy like Murray who I like a lot.

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May 18, 2022 12:55 pm
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Can you share some links? All I have seen are 1 on 0 workouts.

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May 18, 2022 2:06 pm
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Thanks for the recent footage! Sharpe looks like he’s added some muscle, and you’re right, he is about as smooth as can be. There’s always an adjustment period, but as I understand it, his defense is pretty sound, and with his length & athleticism, I can’t think of any reason why he won’t be able to pester people in the NBA.

My assumption is that he’s slotted at the wing, and I feel a lot better about Sharpe than I do AJ Griffin. Sharpe looks like he’s got a substantial array of moves to get himself clean looks at the basket, especially when you factor his height/length.

Assuming he doesn’t get grabbed in the top three, I’d want to get something pretty impressive in return if I’m not taking Sharpe at four. He gives you another capable ballhandler and distributor, and I’d not be surprised if his ability to get buckets translates almost immediately to NBA play.

Crazy as it sounds, Sacramento has a bunch of pretty good options, whether drafting or trading. We’re going to have to get used to it, I guess.

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May 18, 2022 2:10 pm
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This, they’re in a really good slot. They’ll have their choice of quality options and likely options that other teams may want to trade up for.

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May 18, 2022 2:10 pm
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Agreed. Monte has a ton of options, which is something he has yet to have as GM. He’s still got a pretty tied up roster with little cap space but landing the #4 has unlocked a lot of opportunities for him. If the Kings had stayed at #7 our discussions around here would be a lot more limiting.

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May 19, 2022 7:29 am
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“I can’t think of an reason why he won’t be able to…”
Vivek says “Your Hired!”

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May 19, 2022 2:39 pm
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this is one on zero but for a kid who never played a minute in college, he looks pretty darn good. Good size. (the anti toothpick Chet)
I think he has Zach LaVine potential. Murray is good but no one thing stands out. For the Kings, at this point, they need a killer. Ivey- like Derrick Rose – would do that but he is unfortunately redundant.
I think Sharpe will be there at 4. and so will Ivey. Pick Ivey, trade down 1 spot for Sharpe + assets. Trading down to 6 with Indiana is more problematic since they may not want Ivey. and if they have the Kings pick Murray at 4 for them, then Detroit picks Sharpe and we are back on the Ivey train.

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May 18, 2022 4:03 pm
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I dunno, I’m not that big on Sharpe. I have a gut feeling he’s like the G/F version of Bagley. He jumps high, plays above the rim, lob target, inconsistent shot.

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May 18, 2022 4:06 pm
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I mean how are you able to evaluate him. I’m surprised about all the breakdowns on Sharpe given nobody has seen him play. It would be interesting if you have some exposure to him that you can share.

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May 18, 2022 5:49 pm
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How is anyone able to evaluate him? I’m going by scouting reports. Not saying he will be Bagley. I’m saying there seems to be the pre draft similarities based off the limited footage I see and scouting reports.

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May 18, 2022 11:06 pm
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I think you must have watched Shannon Sharpes hoops tape??

Or closed your eyes and heard what type of player Sharpe is

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May 18, 2022 4:36 pm
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Just from the small sample, sales reel videos above you can see that he’s significantly more skilled, two-handed, has better positional size, and has a better shot with more ways to get to it. What you can’t see in those videos is how all those things play against live, high level competition.

I can see being hesitant about Sharpe, but he has nothing in common with Bagley aside from being very athletic.

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May 18, 2022 5:35 pm

He has done nothing in college at least Bagley did that ! He does look good in limited drills but so did McLemore . Biggest risk , biggest reward -maybe .

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May 18, 2022 6:06 pm

Really? I look at his highlight videos and like 90% of his highlights are dunks. Take this one for example. I see highlight 3s and then I see he shot 18.8% from the 3 in highschool. Saw 1 shot from midrange and that’s it. I saw scouting reports saying inconsistent shot and lacks passing skill.

But with all that being said, he has potential. The same potential that got Bagley selected at 2, he is super athletic. Not saying he will end up like Bagley. I know that triggers trauma among Kings fans.

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May 18, 2022 6:50 pm
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Here is where I am getting his high school stats in case anyone is wondering: https://www.theseasonticket.com/roster_players/41050857

Hope I am wrong if the Kings do pick him. Just wondering what the appeal is other than rim finishing and athleticism (highest vertical since MJ)

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May 18, 2022 7:52 pm
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I think you need to look a bit deeper. First, 16 shots isn’t a useful sample size. In EYBL against better comp he shot 36% on 77. Still not a great sample size, but when you combine it with his mechanics and touch you get a good reason to believe in his shot. I’m curious where you saw “inconsistent shot.” I have yet to read a report that doesn’t say he’s likely to be an advanced shooter.

He absolutely has question marks and holes in his tape. He shows flashes of poor court awareness in both his passing and defense. He can get sloppy with his dribble. He absolutely doesn’t look like a high level passer. More of a willing one. But his combination of shooting upside, versatility, skill and physical attributes at this age is pretty rare. For example, Jaden Ivey has nowhere near Sharpe’s bag of moves, pull-ups, and shooting upside.

I actually found an amateur breakdown today that did a good job of outlining his flaws and strengths. I’ll see if I can find it again.

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May 18, 2022 8:01 pm

This one is just like a stack reel. No analysis. Just an hour and a half of clips. Some good. Some bad. Some in-between.

Here’s the one I was thinking about:

For what it’s worth, I did find one that talks about shooting inconsistency, but honestly, it mentions his release. And frankly he has one of the cleanest, most consistent releases I’ve seen on a player his age. So I’m gonna have to simply agree to disagree there.

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May 18, 2022 10:38 pm

thanks for sharing those videos. based on those videos (which is all I have to go with), I don’t think he’s a top-5 player in the draft. However, I’d be curious to see how he plays at the combine, if he plays.

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May 19, 2022 8:28 am

Thanks for the videos, I’ve actually been looking for raw footage rather than just highlights. I think the more the KingsHerald community sees of him, the more informed we are and we’re better off for that. So, here is what I’m getting this analysis from – negatives section cites passing and shooting consistency

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May 19, 2022 8:40 am
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okay, I agree with you now that Sharpe is overrated and has a high bust potential. I think his extended footage from HS is pretty uninspiring. He does not have the Michael Porter Jr. shooting percentage to justify chucking so many deep threes. he does not have the Anthony Edwards athleticism to justify taking on a project in the top 5. and sitting out the last year does not help his case.

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May 18, 2022 11:09 pm

I have zero hesitation because he’s a passer-playmaker-gets teammates involved And he can shoot. And ranked as 1 high school player.

And he moves well, sees the game well when you watch his games-even though it’s high school.

To me, he’s The Guy to get and I’d bet he’s gonna go top 2/3

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May 19, 2022 2:48 pm
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to go top 3, means he displaces Ivey, Chet, Banchero or Smith.
Not likely. Some just love Chet. I hope OKC does and plays him and Poku together. When they turn sideways, we can declare – they are only playing 3 guys !!

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May 18, 2022 4:48 pm
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The image of that big hair on a high profile prospect sitting on the sideline, not doing anything while his teammates are playing does trigger a neurological pathway to a bad place for Kings fans. But as long as we are conscious of these internal biases, we can avoid jumping to negative conclusions about someone who is probably a completely different player than Bagley.

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May 18, 2022 10:11 pm
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Nice. But can he do that in the rain?

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May 18, 2022 11:01 pm
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I absolutely think Sharoe goes too 3. Hes way too good…He’s ridiculously high ceiling. Could be a transcendent type player.

So smooth. Handles. Shoots. Playmaker. Get him Kings. He’s the guy who can potentially end up being the best player in this draft.

I really believe Sharpe is the lottery ticket that could very well bring a player better than Fox.

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May 18, 2022 12:20 pm
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Definitely a possibility. How many times are four 4s selected in the first 4 picks? Usually only happens in Liar’s dice.

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May 18, 2022 12:23 pm
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Great game. Wonder if we could trade for the number 1 overall, keep #4, and package our three second rounders for #24.

1-4-24

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May 18, 2022 12:31 pm

Only possible on NBA 2k lol

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May 18, 2022 12:37 pm
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Lol I know. It’s the name of a fun dice game, that’s all (like Liar’s dice, what Eddie mentioned above). No way we ever get 1, 4, and 24. As dope as that would be…

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May 18, 2022 3:00 pm
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Or Sharpe could be picked by the Kings.

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May 18, 2022 11:50 am

Jaden Ivey was the most exciting player in college last season. I am hopeful, once again. Imagine Fox and Ivey together, the fastest backcourt in the NBA.

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May 18, 2022 12:04 pm

If you can’t be good, at least be bad FAST!

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May 18, 2022 12:29 pm

Ivey could add flexibility in constructing the roster. If he proves to be a better facilitator, picknroll playmaker, 3 point shooter & defender than Fox you will have a decent asset in Fox for a trade.

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May 18, 2022 12:39 pm
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This my line of thinking as well. I love Fox but see Ivey as a better prospect.

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May 19, 2022 2:53 pm
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Fox is good second tier PG. Ivey could be Derrick Rose or Morant- top tier but the constant shuffling and trading is demoralizing and the trade value for Fox is less than value.
Ivey needs 2 years. Ivey is like J. Green. ( took half a year)
why not keep Fox – he is not chopped liver- and get a serious asset in the trad for #4. Like trade to Detroit for 5 – get Sharpe at 5 and Grant?

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May 18, 2022 1:19 pm
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IMO, there’s zero evidence so far that he can be a better facilitator or PnR playmaker than Fox. Honestly, I don’t think there’s even a whole lot of evidence he’ll be a better overall 3pt shooter either. I think there’s a whole lot of familiarity breeding contempt here. IF you were to move on from Fox, which I think is a valid approach, I don’t think replacing him with Ivey is the right way to do it. To some degree, as a prospect, Ivey is stronger but less skilled version of Fox.

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May 18, 2022 6:51 pm

Sharpe is huge question mark to me…we can’t afford to miss with this pick and the lack of competitive tape on Sharpe makes him un-selectable at #4 IMO. If we were rebuilding, Sharpe would be my pick, but we’re not rebuilding and we don’t have 3-4 years to wait for the player to develop.

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May 18, 2022 7:01 pm
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I should add, my hesitancy is simply a result of a lack of information. If Monte and his scouts believe this kid is the real deal, then so be it, Monte has earned some leeway on his draft picks so far.

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May 18, 2022 7:02 pm
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Vivek & Monte don’t necessarily have 3-4 years, but I’m more concerned with the long-term than the short-term. It’s also unclear whether it’ll take 3-4 years for Sharpe to develop.

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May 18, 2022 7:47 pm
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I’m comparing Sharpe’s progression against the idea of plugging in Murray at the 4 from day one. Due to his maturity, I think Murray will be effective in his role and good enough to start right away because he won’t need to create for himself that much and he can score without needing the ball in hands or plays run for him.

Sharpe would be best suited on a team where he can make his “young-man’s” mistakes and learn from them. On the Kings, his development might be muted due to the team’s need to win now.

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May 18, 2022 8:02 pm
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Putting Sharpe aside, I generally don’t think it’s a great idea for any team to expect a non-top-tier rookie to be an inmpactful starter right away.

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May 18, 2022 11:38 pm

Depends on the rookie. Scottie Barnes was taken at #4 last year and started 74 of 74 games played.

I believe Murray is a top-tier rookie. Not as good as Barnes defensively, but better offensively.

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May 18, 2022 11:32 pm

I’d be happy to move Fox because I do not like the idea of building around/with a guard who can’t shoot. I don’t see many of those in the playoffs or fairing well.

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May 18, 2022 4:39 pm

I’m worried about the defense.

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May 18, 2022 4:46 pm
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I’m worried about the skill level.

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May 19, 2022 7:08 am

Lol – yes of course

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May 18, 2022 7:05 pm

Actually kind of warming up to that kind of a backcourt. Ivey reminds me a bit of Morant. I can imagine so many transition buckets and pinpoint passes from Sabonis after rebounds while Fox and Ivey go on the fast break.

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May 18, 2022 7:08 pm
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Ivey isn’t nearly as good of a playmaker as Morant.

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May 18, 2022 12:20 pm

Full disclosure: I only know what mock drafts have said about these players. From what I’ve read, Ivey seems to be close to consensus top prospect, but Murray may be Monte’s kind of guy. Haliburton and Mitchell were both seen as smart, tough, high-skill players who could contribute early and play well with others. Murray sounds like that kind of player. Ivey sounds very Fox-like, which could be interesting, but could also over-crowd the backcourt once again. My burning-hot take: Take Ivey at #4, but trade this pick to nab Murray and another pick or piece.
Sharpe sounds very high-ceiling, but is it true he didn’t play a minute for Kentucky this season? That would make me verrrrry nervous.

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May 18, 2022 1:36 pm
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Sharpe wasn’t supposed to play a minute for Kentucky this year. He was a 2022-23 recruit. The only reason he was at UK was because he graduated HS in Oct. He technically could have played, but he joined the team mid-season and, despite apparently the team asking for Sharpe to get minutes, the coaches decided not to bring him in without having had a full season to prep and play with the team.

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May 18, 2022 3:51 pm

So he’s basically a high schooler who hasn’t played a game in a year. He was not a highly regarded recruit until “breaking out” on the Nike summer circuit. Again, I know nothing about the guy beyond what I’ve read online today, but he seems to be much more of an unknown commodity than some others here are letting on. For whatever it’s worth, which may not be much, his profile on NBADraft.net mentions questions about his maturity, motor, and work ethic. That may all be B.S., so I’ll let others make the call there. He sounds like a phenomenal athlete with sky-high potential but a lot of unknowns. I’m a play-it-safe type, but I’m not the GM for a reason!

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May 18, 2022 4:18 pm
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He only played 12 HS games his last year of HS.. so there is that

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May 18, 2022 4:31 pm
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His last year of HS was THIS year. The 2021-22 season. He only played 12 games because that’s how far into the season they were when he built up enough credits to graduate early and set himself up to be eligible for the 2022 draft.

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May 18, 2022 5:38 pm

Still 12 and zero college .

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May 18, 2022 5:55 pm
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Yes, but not because of injury or some mysterious reason for sitting out.

We certainly have less info on him than we would like. Which tends to make players fall farther than they probably should. Like Mitchell Robinson, Anfernee Simons, Darius Bazley, etc.

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May 18, 2022 6:04 pm
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The guy running nbadraft.net is a moron.

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May 18, 2022 1:42 pm
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The thing I wonder about Ivey is who is going to want him. I don’t think any of Orlando, OKC or the Rockets would want him as they are all loaded with guards.

Detroit has Cade, so maybe they see Ivey as a backcourt pairing? Holmes and #5 for Grant and the #5 could work.

I don’t think Indy would go for him as they have Hali, Buddy and Brogdon under contract.

Does PDX have a need for him and could he be their new CJ McCollum? They already have Lillard and an emerging Anfernee Simmons.

Pels? No, they have McCollum.

Spurs? He could be a nice partner to Murray. They have 3 first round picks that the Kings could probably ask for in exchange for the #4.

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May 18, 2022 6:54 pm
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Methinks the Spurs will want Ivey. If they do trade up with the Kings hopefully Monte can get something great back from them.

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May 18, 2022 11:24 pm

Methinks Ivey will be the next Doncic. A superstar the Kings didn’t pick.

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May 19, 2022 9:26 am

Please don’t compare Doncic to American kids. It does all of them a disservice. Doncic won the EuroLeague and ACB MVP at 18 years old. I don’t think any American player could do that.

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May 19, 2022 3:05 pm
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agree.
Ivey will be good and if the Kings think he is redundant, pick him at 4 and trade, don’t simply bypass him like Vlade did with Bagley- where he could have picked Luka and got something like the Hawks did.

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May 19, 2022 3:03 pm

sure they do but what do they have that’s anywhere worth it? and their pick is 4th tier.

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May 19, 2022 3:02 pm
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like the thinking- but the further down, the more risk.
Orlando-Cole Anthony plus a need for size.
OKC- SGA and a need for scoring and a desire for the twin toothpicks.
Houston- have J. Green . Ivey very similar.

I think Ivey “falls” to 4. Then do the Kings want him? in a BPA scenario, yes. but….
Does Detroit want him? you betcha ! #4 for #5 + something and Kings get Sharpe.
If the something is Grant or a #2 in 2023, yep.
I doubt anyone trades the 2023 picks- that’s where Victor lurks.

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May 18, 2022 12:26 pm

We could use all three. Murray at the 4, Sharpe at the 3, and Ivey at the 2. I just have this feeling that Sharpe is going to be special. With Davion, Donte, and TD all capable 2s, I feel Ivey creates a logjam. I think Murray will be the safe, competent but not breakout pick. Kings need to take a risk on the player they think has the most upside. I see Sharpe throwing down nasty lobs from Domantas all day long and hitting open threes as well. I see him playing 2/3 and being able to guard 1-4.

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May 18, 2022 6:55 pm
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Or he could be Bagley 2.0. It ain’t too late for Monte to have his Kangz moment.

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