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Malik Monk to sign 2 year deal with Sacramento Kings, per reports

The sharpshooting Monk will sign a 2 year, $19 million dollar contract with Sacramento
By | 269 Comments | Jun 30, 2022

Credit: Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports

Guard Malik Monk has agreed to a two year, $19 million dollar contract with the Sacramento Kings, according to Damien Barling of ESPN 1320, and confirmed by Shams Charania of The Athletic.

Monk had a strong year last season with the Los Angeles Lakers, averaging 13.8 points, 3.4 rebounds, and 2.9 assists on 47.3% shooting and 39.1% from three (on 5.8 attempts per game) in 76 games. Before his one year stint in Los Angeles, he played four years in Charlotte after being drafted #11 by the Hornets in the 2017 draft. Monk teamed up with De’Aaron Fox for their single season at Kentucky in 2017, and the two showcased excellent chemistry together in Lexington.

Monk will provide the Kings with some much needed floor spacing; he shot 40.1% and 39.1% from deep over his last two seasons. Like almost everyone else on the Sacramento roster, he’ll have to step up and prove himself on the defensive end. But at his price tag, he’s a strong signing for a Kings team that needs his skillset moving forward. And if he and Fox can re-kindle their dynamism from their Kentucky days, they could be a fun guard combination moving forward.

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MaybeNextYear
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June 30, 2022 3:30 pm

Kings got their Buddy Hield replacement. But younger and cheaper.

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June 30, 2022 3:32 pm
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Younger, cheaper, more athletic, better IQ!!

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July 1, 2022 6:17 am
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Unlike DD, does not need the ball and can knock down the 3 pt shot. All around better fit and on a 2 year deal for likely less than annual cost to resign DD for 4 years. Jordan Poole look and will give Coach Brown nice options on guard rotations.

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June 30, 2022 3:32 pm
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And better

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June 30, 2022 3:43 pm
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As long as you mean a way better replacement then you’re correct!

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June 30, 2022 4:00 pm
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Laker fans are pissing and moaning and claiming he was their second-best player last season.

Which tells me it was a good deal.

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June 30, 2022 4:01 pm
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Interesting. Who was their best player?

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June 30, 2022 5:03 pm
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Some newly minted billionaire.

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July 1, 2022 7:03 am
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Dang, Austin Reaves must be doing well!

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June 30, 2022 4:36 pm
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I loved Monk at Kentucky so badly. I wanted him at 10. Shows I’m not much of a GM.

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June 30, 2022 4:45 pm
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He wasn’t my pick there, but he was in the “I’d be fine with that” group.

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June 30, 2022 4:51 pm

I had Mitchell at 10 that year. But they took Jackson and Giles, yikes

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June 30, 2022 3:33 pm
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All of this, and yet I’m told Monk has no playmaking skills. How odd.

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June 30, 2022 4:02 pm
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I haven’t been around much today, did anyone actually say Monk doesn’t have playmaking skills?

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June 30, 2022 4:30 pm

Report: There is mutual interest between Malik Monk and the Sacramento Kings

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June 30, 2022 4:31 pm
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Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t a high level playmaker, but he isn’t deficient for a SG/tertiary ballhandler.

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June 30, 2022 4:33 pm

That’s fair. I don’t think he’s got any trouble making reads.

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June 30, 2022 4:35 pm
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If/when he signs he’ll be the 3rd or 4th best playmaker on the current roster. Which would have been true even if DDV were to stick around. Sure, that’s a low bar, but still…

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June 30, 2022 8:15 pm
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You looking for receipts?

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June 30, 2022 11:34 pm
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Holy crap. That Fox guy looks good.

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July 1, 2022 9:26 am
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Wish he had the big fro again!

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June 30, 2022 3:32 pm

A roster spot opens, a roster spot closes.

Wondering if McNair floated the MLE at DiVincenzo, and he wanted more years/more money.

And the Lakers no longer have Malik Monk. Play some D, young man, and you’ll never pay for a drink in this town!

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June 30, 2022 3:33 pm

I like this. But we need to add a big defensive wing. Part of me still thinks a trade is coming, but we’ll see

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June 30, 2022 3:34 pm

Well, that didn’t take long.

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June 30, 2022 3:43 pm
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Monte McNair: Too deliberate, I’ve heard.

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June 30, 2022 3:48 pm
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Slow Mo.

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July 1, 2022 8:29 am
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I can’t understand why this comment isn’t purple…

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July 1, 2022 9:10 am
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Monte McNair is NOT a good GM

He lucked into the 4 pick, couldn’t really turn it into multiple assets, then drafted a player that fit into that slot or maybe a slot below.

He couldn’t lure a free agent, but got lucky that Fox got his old buddy to come play with him

He’s done zip that you or I or anyone off the street couldn’t do.

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July 1, 2022 9:18 am
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Get your Doritos and championship trophies back to the basement!

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July 1, 2022 9:30 am
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I’ll ask again:

What deals were available to McNair, whether proposed to him, or by him, that would have been worth moving the #4 pick?

There was no leverage with Detroit, since they didn’t care whether they got Ivey or Murray. A swap with Indy means you don’t get Ivey or Murray, and the deals offered by NYK and the Wiz were 100% garbage.

What is it that you know that the rest of us don’t?

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June 30, 2022 3:34 pm

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June 30, 2022 3:46 pm
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July 1, 2022 9:27 am
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God I love this movie.

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June 30, 2022 3:35 pm

I like Monk and he seems to be on the upswing which is good but man, this team is going to be so bad on defense unless they bring in some serious defensive help on the wing.

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June 30, 2022 3:52 pm

Like another commenter said on the last thread, if you’re building around Fox/Sabonis you’re going to be horrendous on D no matter what.

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June 30, 2022 4:07 pm
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Not necessarily. Teams have put together passable defenses with worse. I mean, Sabonis isn’t even bad. He just doesn’t protect the rim like you would generally like. But he’s a smart, disciplined defender.

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June 30, 2022 4:11 pm

He was on a couple of very good defensive teams in Indy.

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June 30, 2022 4:28 pm
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He was. But he’s also just a smart defender that puts in the effort. He’s not great, but he’s not a negative.

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June 30, 2022 4:50 pm

It’s also true that while Myles Turner may be overrated on the offensive end, he’s probably a bit underrated on the defensive end as well.

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June 30, 2022 4:56 pm
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Yep, Turner is an excellent defender.

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June 30, 2022 4:12 pm

This team is built for the play-in game.

And has a two-year window to get there with Sabonis timeline.

Enjoy the one and done, Kings fans.

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July 1, 2022 8:37 am
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When you refer to Kings fans, does that include you? Or can we take that as an declaration of why your really here?

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June 30, 2022 8:17 pm

Mike Brown is responsible for defense. That is how this works. Dysfunctional roster incapable of defense means coach has to go.

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June 30, 2022 3:37 pm

Good deal. Moveable contract if need be in future and something comes up trade wise.

Look at the per 100 stats/efficiency numbers of Monk, Simons and Brunson last year. Similar age, sized combo guards. Monk a bit less combo but not a zero in playmaking. It’s not that dramatically different in lots of areas.

Is he as good as those guys? No. But two of those guys just signed 4 year deals for 100+ million. I think this is a nice win/ value for Monte for a player that could be on upswing.

If he is not and last year was a mirage it’s not a crippling contract.

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June 30, 2022 3:46 pm
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Perfect comment. Enough said. End of comments thread.

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June 30, 2022 3:54 pm
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Nicely put. Have to give MM credit, this is a value contract when you compare what guys like Brunson, Simons and Dort got. McGenius is trending and McDoofus is fading. We’ll see how the next few days go. A trade has to be in the works, you can almost feel it.

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June 30, 2022 4:04 pm
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Not sure Simons and Brunson are significantly better.

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June 30, 2022 5:22 pm
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You likely will be sure by seasons end .

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July 1, 2022 9:54 am
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Giving a guy like Brunson that kind of money is the kind of thing the Kings used to do.

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June 30, 2022 3:38 pm

Not a fan of this signing at all. IMO, this is a downgrade from DDV. I’m still hoping for someone like Jae’Sean Tate and a Martin twin.

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June 30, 2022 3:47 pm
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I think you are wrong. Just my opinion.

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June 30, 2022 3:47 pm
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Understood – there are two ends of the floor and DDV > Monk on the defensive end. That said, Monk has been at 40% and 39% from 3 over the past two seasons, while DDV checked in at 38% and 33% (to be fair, DDV was recovering from injury last year). Monk is a clear upgrade over DDV when it comes to stretching the floor, which is something this roster is in short supply of.

I liked DDV, but I get the signing of Monk. And I love the short-term investment.

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June 30, 2022 3:50 pm
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It’s not a huge drop off on the defensive end. In my opinion.

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June 30, 2022 4:00 pm
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Its not about opinions though…DDV has a career Def Rating of 108 vs MM’s career Def Rating of 115.

Offensively, DDV has a career Off Rating of 108 vs MM’s career Off Rating of 105.

DDV = 108 /108
MM = 105 / 115

DDV is a two-way player with better offensive efficiency than MM and is a much better defensive player.

You may like the signing, but MM is an inferior player in every aspect of the game. Pull up any advanced stats and you’ll see and that doesn’t even take into account that DDV was coming off an injury.

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June 30, 2022 4:08 pm
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I was Disappointed with DDV last year. He was inconsistent and bad from distance and while his hustle and deflections were appreciated he had Buddy lapses when he was on the weak side. Also I think he has only shot well from 3 for 1 season. Monks D will be a problem but he will help spread the floor.

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June 30, 2022 4:15 pm
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I suspect that you understand these numbers better than me, so I’m hoping you can answer a question.

Previously, I’ve asked whether the +/- numbers taken as-is, and averaged against the entire league, are actually indicative of much. Players on teams with terrible defenses invariably have bad numbers, and players on good defensive teams have good ones.

So my question, is there any actual value in comparing the +/- numbers for players other than those on their team? You have a more representative sample set, since it provides a far more direct comparison, because the teammates are the ones responsible for the team +/-.

Thanks for any and all who give this consideration.

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June 30, 2022 4:16 pm
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This is such a non sensical way to use stats that aren’t apples to apples. DDV played with god damn Giannis…defensive rating is heavily influenced by team.

Last year DDV had a 114 def rating with the Kings. Highest of career. Monk career 115. Did DDV suddenly become a worse defender with the Kings? Prolly not, just surrounded by crappier defenders.

Monk struggled big time his first couple years. He was 19 as a rookie. DDV was 22. What’s DDV look like as a 19 year old rookie?

Not much of a fair comparison when doing career averages at this point based on starting points and situations.

DDV likely a better defender, but damn that’s some selective stat picking to try and create a narrative.

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June 30, 2022 4:23 pm
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There is no way of comparing different players on different teams so by stating that its not apples to apples is unfair in that its impossible to do.

In the same way that MIL is above-average on Def, SAC was way below-avg on Def, essentially washing each other out. Using career averages is best way to compare without getting into the weeds.

You say don’t cherry-pick numbers yet you want to throw out the first few years of Monk’s career because they were different ages…come on man! That’s crazy.

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June 30, 2022 4:39 pm
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But are even career averages better indicators?

The NBA has had more than a few teams with terrible defenses that were able to outscore opponents consistently enough to win a lot of games. A player who spent time with a team like that would be likely to have pretty terrible defensive +/-.

Of course, having terrible numbers there is far more common with players on bad teams, but to my ignorant-of-statistics ass, I don’t believe +/- has any use beyond comparing teammates.

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Career averages are better than nothing, especially if the players in question have been on several different teams; but you’re correct, the net ratings are not ideal other than comparing teammates.

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June 30, 2022 5:17 pm
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So………………

my opinion does matter. Sweet!

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June 30, 2022 4:56 pm
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You say don’t cherry-pick numbers yet you want to throw out the first few years of Monk’s career because they were different ages…come on man! That’s crazy.

I think a number of commenters have posted on the mild absurdity of the original analysis. I guess I’ll let those speak for itself and remain crazy.

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June 30, 2022 5:56 pm
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Selective stats are awesome , I heard today that our inflation was not as bad as a lot of other countries… which is correct there are like 7 of the G20 worse than us..

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June 30, 2022 4:20 pm
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Its not about opinions though…DDV has a career Def Rating of 108 vs MM’s career Def Rating of 115.

DRtg is highly team and lineup dependent. His 108 career DRtg rating is:

  • 2018-19 Mil – 27 games – 107
  • 2019-20 Mil – 66 games – 101
  • 2020-21 Mil – 66 games – 112
  • 2021-22 Mil – 17 games – 113
  • 2021-22 Sac – 25 games – 114

So, did he suddenly forget how to play defense in November of 2020 (COVID probably. Amirite?) or is he either not as good a defender as we think, or is DRtg not really measuring individual defense that well?

I don’t actually know the answer, but I do think it’s reasonable to say DRtg isn’t measuring DDV (or anyone’s) defense too well.

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June 30, 2022 4:23 pm
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MM is an inferior player in every aspect of the game. Pull up any advanced stats and you’ll see and that doesn’t even take into account that DDV was coming off an injury.

That’s not what I’m seeing.

Last year

And I’ll point out that defensive advanced stats, and especially DefRTG are HIGHLY team dependent. So DDV putting up a better dRTG while sharing the court with Jrue, Giannis, and Lopez doesn’t say a whole lot.

Don’t get me wrong, DDV is definitely the better defender, but the gap isn’t all that big, and Monk is a significantly better offensive player.

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June 30, 2022 4:31 pm

I agree about Def Rtg being a team stat but there aren’t a lot of other stats to use for wings & guards (much easier to do for bigs with FG% comparison against Player A vs against rest of league).

Comparing Monk’s best career year versus DDV coming off an injury and getting traded mid-season isn’t really a good comparison either.

Monk is poor defender and the rose-colored glasses seem to being passed-around today.

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June 30, 2022 4:42 pm
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He IS a poor defender. Personally, I think the gap is less about overrating Monk’s defense than it is about overrating DiVincenzo’s. DDV is roughly an average overall defender. Personally, I think the Monk’s advantage on offense is greater than DiVincenzo’s advantage on defense. And I think Monk has more upside.

Don’t get me wrong, neither of them are big impact players. I don’t think either will/would solve the Kings problems. Without seeing how FA plays out, I think this initially looks like a decent deal that has marginally upgraded the roster.

Again, I’m not going to throw a parade or throw myself down the stairs until I see how the whole offseason plays out.

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June 30, 2022 8:58 pm

Good analysis

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June 30, 2022 6:27 pm
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Maybe. but I don’t he or his agent wanted to be here.

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July 1, 2022 10:15 am
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The numbers for DDV will be skewed a bit as he played with some of the best defenders in the league during his entire career, except for a small run here with us. Not saying he is a bad player and Monk is better, IMO, they are a similar caliber players, just with different skill sets. I like them both, but kind of shuffling pool deck chairs around and nice 4th/5th options on the floor.

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June 30, 2022 3:53 pm
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But its not just defense that DDV was better at, he was a better initiator, rebounder, and his 3pt shot didn’t trail Monk by much at all. He shoots 35% on 5 3PA/gm whereas Monk shot 36% on 4.5 3PA/gm. Not too mention that DDV shot 37% on nearly 6 attempts per game during his time with Sac

Why give up so much of the other aspects of basketball for a slightly better 3pt shooter? I don’t understand the love for Monk other than the fact that he was the only bright spot for the Lakers last year and he had himself a career year.

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June 30, 2022 4:01 pm
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I think that you have to look at Monk’s last two seasons, where he really blossomed from deep. Basically a 2-5 guy over the past two seasons. DDV is about a 35% guy on less volume. There would be a lot of players between Monk and DDV is you listed 3s by volume or percentage.

The same question that you ask regarding the “love for Monk” could be asked for DDV. He has had one reasonably good season, and it was a couple of years ago while playing next to the likes of Giannis and Middleton.

And from my perspective, I don’t know that I would describe it as “love.” It’s a nice contract in term and not an albatross in rate. He has the potential to fill a big need for the Kings. I have been known to lose sleep over love. I’m not going to lose any sleep over this.

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June 30, 2022 4:06 pm
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If Monk is signed as a SG coming off the bench, then fine, but if he supposed to start, then I am extremely disappointed.

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June 30, 2022 5:27 pm
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You’re disappointed. I’m ecstatic.

Im likely way to high on Monk. I can admit that. With that said, he’s been on the upswing for a couple years now and I am one who believes he’s going to be even better this coming season. Maybe I’m wrong but I hope not. I’m sure you and all kings fans will agree on that HOPE. At worst I think it’s an excellent gamble to make on Monte’s part and the contract length is excellent.

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June 30, 2022 4:08 pm
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Also, DDV was going to cost more, and I heard a rumor he’s a bit of a jerk.

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June 30, 2022 4:16 pm
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If DDV gets a deal north of $15MM for multiple years, then no thank you.

Of course the price matters, which is why this deal isn’t team-braking as its a reasonable length and amount and Monk is still surprisingly young.

I just don’t see this as an upgrade at the SG position over DDV or many of the other options still out there.

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June 30, 2022 4:24 pm
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Dante might not even get the taxpayer MLE at the rate things are going.

I don’t think teams are as high on him as we think.

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June 30, 2022 4:25 pm
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100%. I wouldn’t be surprised at him getting something that is similar to the qualifying offer the Kings didn’t give. Maybe for 2 years.

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June 30, 2022 4:49 pm
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I think turning down that 3/30 offer from Milwaukee is looking like a serious mistake.

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June 30, 2022 4:29 pm
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DDV wouldn’t have been traded for basically nothing if he had a lot of value.

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June 30, 2022 5:28 pm
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Donte might very well be back in a kings uniform so get ready for that.

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July 1, 2022 6:32 am
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Sure seemed that DDV was a bit of ball killer when on the floor last year and would jack lots up off balance and out of the flow 3’s. Maybe it was a poor offensive scheme, but seemed to be doing his own thing a lot on offense. Granted he was aggressive on D, but believe Monk’s a better fit at least on the offensive end.

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June 30, 2022 8:36 pm
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Monk commands attention on the perimeter. I think teams allowed DDV to shoot. Monk’s stats on D not as bad as expected.
and I think cheaper than DDV (we will see)
Size may be an issue

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June 30, 2022 3:57 pm
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DDV or Monk?
I think the contract that DDV gets will be telling. I get some fans loved DDV, but I just didn’t see it with him, and this goes back to his time with the Bucks. I think if he embraced D more and accepted more of a lesser role on O he would be a much more valuable player.

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June 30, 2022 4:17 pm
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Tate just re-upped with Houston on 3 year, $22 mil deal

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June 30, 2022 8:35 pm
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Tate re-signed with Houston

I like the twins

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June 30, 2022 3:39 pm

Love this move and especially at under 10 mil per year.

Now go get some perimeter defense! GPII or Otto Porter would be nice.

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June 30, 2022 3:39 pm

Absolutely love this. Huge upgrade from Donte. Nicely done Monte.

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June 30, 2022 4:08 pm
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Huge?

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June 30, 2022 5:28 pm
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Upgrade but not huge .

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Huge Upgrade…just young.

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June 30, 2022 3:40 pm

What’s his status at the end of the 2 years? Is he RFA or UFA?

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June 30, 2022 3:44 pm
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Good question. Don’t think specifics like that have been reported yet but I could be wrong. Hopefully RFA.

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June 30, 2022 4:15 pm

Monk will never be an RFA ever again, he will always be an UFA from here on out. That RFA ship has sailed for Monk once Charlotte turned down his QO.

Same with Donte DiVicenzo for that matter.

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June 30, 2022 4:19 pm
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Guru, since we still hold early bird rights, do we still have enough cap space to sign DDV?

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June 30, 2022 4:41 pm
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A) the Kings have full Bird rights on DDV, and yes they can absolutely resign him. The question is a matter of negotiation, not whether they could legally resign him.

All the QO does is make you an RFA, it has nothing to do with your full Bird rights (that’s what the cap hold is actually about) and whether or not you resign with the team.

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June 30, 2022 4:42 pm
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Thank you. Keeping you busy today.

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June 30, 2022 4:44 pm
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No problem. Rather answer your question than see constant misinformation get spread around as it’s so often wont to do this time of year. 🙂

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June 30, 2022 8:49 pm
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My “eye test” DDV gambled a lot on D, but was disruptive. More physical and bigger than MM

MM was taken seriously on the perimeter by opponents. They knew they had to guard him. More of a playmaker.

MM fits better with Fox on drive and kick but a lesser defender and rebounder.

We will see on salaries.
Right now- a lateral move.

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June 30, 2022 9:44 pm
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Don’t you lose bird rights when you recind the QO and release the cap hold?

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June 30, 2022 9:53 pm
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Don’t let reality get in the way.

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July 1, 2022 10:10 am
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Nope. QOs and Bird rights have nothing to do with each other. It’s an easy assumption to make and I’ve made that mistake in the past.

All a QO really does is make a player RFA. Other than the specific contract terms of a QO (which teams and players rightfully avoid at all costs). I recently discovered that Bruce Brown signed his QO in Brooklyn last season, and that was indeed an unique situation. In most cases it’s avoided signing the QO at all costs. The real purpose of a QO is to encourage teams and players to negotiate new deals.

Now as to the why. Bird rights are specifically accrued over time (that’s why it takes 3 years to get full Bird rights, 2 years for Early Bird rights and a year for non Bird rights) and that’s also why maximum compensation is tied to full Bird rights.

Now, as best as I can tell, the Kings have not renounced the Bird rights to DDV. Since they won’t get cap room by doing so, they likely won’t. This allows the FO to pursue S&T’s as well. It’s important to remember you can only S&T your FAs.

Hoping this makes sense.

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July 1, 2022 10:53 am
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So just to be clear– by withdrawing the QO, does that clear the cap hold? Or would they need to do a separate step of renouncing Bird rights to clear it?

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July 1, 2022 6:01 pm
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So just to be clear– by withdrawing the QO, does that clear the cap hold? 

No.

 Or would they need to do a separate step of renouncing Bird rights to clear (the cap hold)?

Correct.

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June 30, 2022 3:44 pm
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He’d be a UFA

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June 30, 2022 4:13 pm
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UFA and the Kings would have Early Bird rights with the ability to pay him 175% of the 2nd year salary. (The average salary — 105% of salaries league wide — would almost assuredly be a smaller number than the 175% total. It’s whichever number, the AVG salary or 175%, is greater is the high number you can make using EBRs.) Assuming it’s an even contract (which is the highest likelihood), the two years should look like this:

Year 1: 9.5M
Year 2: 9.5M

After that, they could offer Monk a 4 year roughly 70.5M deal. I doubt they would, but you never know.

Year 1: 16625000M
Year 2: 17290000M
Year 3: 17955000M
Year 4: 18620000M

This works out to 70,490,000$M. Keep in mind this also does not include option years or dollar guarantees in any of the years. That’s always negotiable between team and player.

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June 30, 2022 4:20 pm
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Good info Guru. Can you clarify why Kings would have early bird rights? I thought I read you had to play for a team for 3 years? Is that not the case in certain situations? I’ve always been curious about this when considering deals.

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June 30, 2022 4:37 pm
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Excellent question Wiz, and it’s actually a pretty simple answer as it turns out. First, here’s a link to that Coon guys FAQ if you prefer that.

There are actually 3 sets of “Bird” rights. I think we know who they were named after.

After a single season, you get what is called non-Bird rights, and it’s pretty limiting. You can only sign a player to 120% of his previous season salary. Mo Harkless was signed using these. You can technically sign a player to 4 years using non Bird rights (which is an exception, as are all Bird rights, I might add), but nobody in practice does. It’s only realistically used as a mechanism to pay a player a year or two if you’re a capped out team.

After two seasons, you get what is called Early Bird rights. There are multiple ways to resign players using EBR’s (175% or the average salary which is 105%– whichever is greater). But regardless, you can only sign a player for up to 4 seasons. Which is what that table is showing that you responded to Wiz.

Last, there is full Bird rights, and if you want to know how players like, say, John Collins, get a 5 year deal without getting a max deal? Atlanta had full Bird rights on JC. You get full Bird rights by staying with a team, or more accurately, not being waived over a 3 year period OR switching teams as a Free Agent over a 3 year period either. You do keep your full Bird rights if you are traded. The only way to get maximum dollars (5 year max, super max, rookie max extension) is to have full Bird rights. The only way to get a term of 5 years is to have full Bird rights.

That’s the simplest way I can think of to explain it. Hope this helps. 🙂

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June 30, 2022 4:58 pm
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Much appreciated sir 👍

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Don’t call him sir, it only encourages him more. A stabby with assurance is a scary thing 😉

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June 30, 2022 4:30 pm
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It’s basically the same sort of situation the Kings had with Holmes, right?

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June 30, 2022 4:38 pm
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Yeah but Monk can make a lot more cash than Holmes could due to having a much higher base salary.

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June 30, 2022 6:58 pm
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Why are you using 4% off first year raises instead of 8%? Thanks.

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July 1, 2022 9:25 am
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Why are you using 4% off first year raises instead of 8%?

Cuz I’m an idiot and miscalculated. Nothing to see here citizens. Move along. 😊

Year 1: 16,625,000$$M
Year 2: 17,955,000$$M
Year 3: 19,285,000$$M
Year 4: 20,615,000$$M

That comes out to 74,480,000$$M. An 18.62M AAV.

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Hooray!

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June 30, 2022 3:46 pm

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June 30, 2022 3:47 pm

Definitely an upgrade from Donte.

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June 30, 2022 3:51 pm

Based off the contracts that other better but not great players are getting, this Monk contract seems like a steal.
Anfernee Simons getting 4/100
Dort 5/87

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June 30, 2022 3:56 pm
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Bradley Beal getting 50 million a year and hasn’t won shit.

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June 30, 2022 4:24 pm
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That’s how crappy franchises stay crappy. Overpaying they’re homegrown talent.

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June 30, 2022 4:31 pm
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That’s how crappy franchises stay crappy. Overpaying they’re homegrown talent.

Well thankfully the Kings haven’t….
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June 30, 2022 4:42 pm
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Are we really comparing Fox’s deal to that deal Beal just signed? Seriously Spackler?

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June 30, 2022 5:05 pm
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Both overpaid but Beal much moreso. Both horrible contracts IMO.

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June 30, 2022 5:34 pm
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Beal has been an All Star multiple times and played on 4 playoff teams . Fox , zero on both .

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I agree Beal is better but big difference in contracts:
Fox: 5/163
Beal: 5/251

Based off the contracts and age I’d take Fox even though Beal is better.

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Speaking of overpays, Team Bagley 3/37!

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June 30, 2022 5:28 pm
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Not comparing them. But Fox is a (big) overpay.

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June 30, 2022 10:44 pm
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Beal is a much bigger overpay. He is getting Luka/Giannis money.

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June 30, 2022 11:16 pm
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Not even. Total fair market price on his contract. If he has a good couple years it quickly becomes team friendly, based on some of these other contracts that are being handed out in the marketplace.

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July 1, 2022 7:12 am
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FWIW, Beal is the 5th highest paid player per year now. Fox is 25th. In the same area as Bam, Kevin Love, Hayward, Wiggins, Randle Lowry, etc.

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July 1, 2022 7:06 am
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Is it just me or is paying Booker and KAT 58 mill a year …… not good?

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June 30, 2022 3:53 pm

Monk becomes the 2nd youngest player on the current full salary roster, 7 months older than Davion Mitchell. Queta is younger if the Kings pick up his option. Murray is younger once they sign him.

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June 30, 2022 4:43 pm
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Monk becomes the 2nd youngest player on the current full salary roster, 7 months older than Davion Mitchell. Queta is younger if the Kings pick up his option. Murray is younger once they sign him.

Just as an FYI (unless something has happened in the last hour or so), Queta is currently a FA of the Kings.

But, jeesh, if Monk has some upside? This could be a great value signing we’ve all been critical of the Kings never getting.

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July 1, 2022 10:59 am
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Yep. Monk’s size is concerning, but he can shoot. I like him as a younger, smarter, cheaper Buddy Hield.

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June 30, 2022 3:54 pm

Major money deals abound: Jokic for $264M/5, Booker $214M/5, Beal signed a new 5 year deal.

The Kings signing Monk as their big news- promised starter? – for $20M seems like the team is in another League altogether.

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Is there a wing in the wings?

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June 30, 2022 4:29 pm

Well I mean they made a 5 year 160 million dollar extension just 2 years ago.

You can agree or disagree on the player but it’s not like this regime hasn’t made big commitments.

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The Kings are in another league. It hasn’t had a player the caliber of Jokic and
Booker since the early 2000s, and if the team did, it would never pay those deals. There is no reason to believe that the Kings could ever construct a great team and keep the players together for any period of time.

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June 30, 2022 3:58 pm

Heh.. Monk leaves lakers for the Kings while Jones leaves kings for the Lakers 🤣

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June 30, 2022 3:59 pm

Like this move.

But we lost Damian Jones to Lakers, which I didn’t like.

Richaun is staying at this point. And that’s not a bad thing.

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June 30, 2022 4:03 pm

Looks like we’re getting Simmons 😀

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June 30, 2022 4:11 pm
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no thanks

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June 30, 2022 4:06 pm

So the Kings are gonna take a career bench player, make him a starter, along with their rookie, and push for the playoffs?

Good luck.

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June 30, 2022 4:10 pm
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I don’t think that they are going to push for the playoffs with what they have at the moment, but Monk, a full season of Sabonis, a healthy and engaged Fox (always a huge if) and Brown could push this group in the high 30s in wins. 17 straight years but an 8 game improvement. Woot!

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June 30, 2022 4:22 pm
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No, no, no, everything is terrible, and the only thing that will stop it is signing Kevin Durant to the bi-annual, or the franchise closing up.

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June 30, 2022 4:41 pm
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I don’t think that they are going to push for the playoffs with what they have at the moment

Oh, they’re gonna push.
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June 30, 2022 4:46 pm
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Play-in, not playoff…

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June 30, 2022 4:14 pm

If Monte can still swing a deal for Collins, things could get interesting.

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I was thinking he might be able to get Huerter or Bogi on the cheap with the Hawks now having Murray.

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Either would be a good get.

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