We have another trade!
According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Kings, Bucks, Clippers and Pistons participated in a four-team deal today that saw the Kings sent out former #2 pick Marvin Bagley III to Detroit, while the Kings received Milwaukee’s Donte DiVincenzo and Detroit’s Trey Lyles and Josh Jackson.
The full deal (possibly not final) as of now is this:
ESPN Sources:
Full trade participants:
Kings: Donte DiVincenzo, Trey Lyles and Josh Jackson.
Bucks: Serge Ibaka, two future second-round picks, cash.
Clippers: Rodney Hood, Semi Ojele.
Pistons: Marvin Bagley Jr.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) February 10, 2022
It’s unclear who is sending out the second-round picks and cash as of now, but even if it’s the Kings, this seems like a clear-cut win for the team.
Marvin Bagley has had a tumultuous tenure as a King, and a parting of the ways has seemed to be in the books for over a year now. The Kings managed to acquire Donte DiVincenzo, a player they have coveted since last season when he was almost sent to the Kings as part of a failed sign-and-trade for Bogdan Bogdanovic, as well as end of season tryouts for Josh Jackson and Trey Lyles.
DiVincenzo has only played 17 games this season after missing most of the year recovering from an ankle injury sustained last year. This is the final year of his rookie contract and as such the Kings will be able to make him a Restricted Free Agent this summer. When healthy, DiVincenzo was an athletic 3-and-D player for the Bucks, and Sacramento’s hope is that he can make a full recovery and become a part of revamping the team’s defense and shooting.
Lyles is a stretch 4 that has bounced around the league and is now on his fifth team since being drafted 12th overall by the Jazz in 2015. He’s never really managed to put together a consistent season, and he has a small team option for next season.
Jackson is a wing player that was taken one pick in the draft before De’Aaron Fox by the Phoenix Suns, and has had some issues both on and off the court but had started to find a rhythm with the Pistons last season. This year he has struggled with consistency and injuries and also a reduced role now that the Pistons have Cade Cunningham. This is also the final year of his deal and he will be an unrestricted free agent. Today also coincidentally happens to be his 25th birthday.
After this trade the Kings are now two players over their roster limit of 17, so we’ll have to see if any more moves are coming or if we see any players cut. But for now this looks like a solid trade for Sacramento. We will update this news if any extra details come in.
UPDATE 9:27 am:
It looks like the picks being sent out are by Detroit. One of them is technically our pick, but it was already owned by Detroit from a previous trade.
Sources: The second-round picks the Pistons are trading are next year's (lower of Cleveland and Golden State) and Sacramento's in 2024.
— James L. Edwards III (@JLEdwardsIII) February 10, 2022
That clears $11 mil this summer, and DD & JJ get to tryout for a new contract, and Marvin’s rather large cap hold is now broken into manageable pieces.
Good deal!
How does it clear $11M this summer, aren’t they all basically expiring deals?
I mean, that’s exactly how. They’re all expiring, there’s no chance we pick up Lyles’ extension, and it’s hard to imagine Jackson being kept. If DD can get healthy, he’s a nice rotation piece going forward.
So I guess it’s about $7.5 mil that’s very likely to be cleared. If I recall, Marv’s cap hold was something like $14-15 mil, and that’s no longer a Sacramento problem.
The cap holds do not matter as much as committed salary does. This really doesn’t change the Kings cap situation this summer at all, honestly.
That tracks with my total inability to understand cap stuff.
We got DD at low value, hopefully the ankle improves and we get him back at a good rate.
actually, got Sabonis at low value. too.
Never would have happened in a straight trade world- Pacers motivated to re-tool.
Gotta agree that I think Sabonis was worth more than a bloated contract for a 3pt marksmen that can’t shoot, dribble, or defend, an expiring deal, and a promising prospect – especially with Lamb and Holiday thrown in. If DD is able to regain form after a difficult injury this is unreal value for Bagley. And hell, maybe JJ or Lyle’s can give good minutes, too. Monte certainly doesn’t allow himself to get swindled.
Either Monte is a genius or an idiot. Never know from day to day.
But if all are healthy, a Sabonis, Holmes, Donte, Fox, and Mitchell five would be fascinating to watch. Not nearly enough outside firepower, but still..
Good riddance Team Bagley!
I’m loving this. Monte the dealer, wheeling and dealing.
More like Monte Carlo AMIRITE?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
MontyMonte making dealsSee you in hell Marv.
(when you’ve decided to take things personally, when they absolutely are not)
Maybe he means when he comes back here, as a member of the Pistons?
That’s gotta be it.
Easy there, he’s finally out of this basketball hell, which by all means has turned the page just now!
I could care less about Lyles and JJ, they are just guys to get the numbers to work but DD is the get here. If he can return to form and the Kings can retain him on the cheap then this is a win.
Now to see how Monte makes the 2 roster spots needed to make this deal go through.
One imagines Woodard, and possibly Len.
Or Ramsey
I’d rather keep Ramsey. His jump from year one to two was nice. I’d like to see what he looks like in year three. But maybe neither of Monte gets another deal done.
I agree, I’d prefer to keep Ramsey as well. He’s also a ball handler, which the Kings are currently lacking. I’d still like them to land a legit 3rd PG.
I don’t want to rain on everyone’s parade, but the tweet clearly says Marvin Bagley Jr. If we got this kind of haul for his Dad, imagine what Monte could do with the son!
McNair might have been able to get Arvydas Sabonis for Bagley III two days ago!
Perhaps a last second trade of Holmes that lands us a stretch big that fits next to Sabonis.
The Kings should be all over this. They don’t even need a pick to come back.
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1491821494829264896
But I would like the pick to come back. I’m a picker.
Did you hear about the time Andy picked a 10lb booger out of his nose?
His head collapsed before he could eat it.
It was eight pounds, tops.
I can see the Hornets willing to pay the premium though, Poeltl is a much better rim protector than Holmes.
I am hoping the Spurs want to hold on to him, I love PJ.
PACK YOUR BAGS!!!
Outstanding. Or in Bagley’s case, outsitting.
Hah! I need to lie down.
He will need help unless Detroit wants him to stack another injury on his resume.
There’s still a small part of me that views this trade as the finality of not drafting Luka. And that makes me a bit sad…I was still holding out hope that MB3 would get his shit pulled together and actually be an asset. Now he can bring his rookie MVP expectations to Detroit. The only thing that brings me a small amount of joy is that it’s Detroit, one of my least favorite large cities in the country. If we are basketball hell, Detroit is basketball Siberia.
The end of an error.
The entire Bagley era captured in 5 words. Perfect.
Detroit is pretty awesome. In my opinion. The City, not the team.
Detroit is a great city.
This is indeed the final act of the Great Fuckup of the 2018 Draft .., essentially we have Donte DiVencenzo to show for not drafting Luka.
It’s OK to feel 100 percent pissed off.
I will happily pack them for him, carry them to the car and drive him wherever he needs to go.
Here you go.
Have fun getting through Wyoming!
Gonna be tough to get an abortion along the way, that’s all I’m saying.
No, you just head southeast towards Texa… oh yeah, nevermind.
Why would Bagley need an abortion?
Didn’t dare to dream for a positive return for Bagley, but here we are. Really like DiVicenzo, just a solid and intelligent player. Jackson had some flashes for the Pistons, but don’t expect him or Lyles will play that much.
You guys are underestimating Jackson. The kid can hoop when given a chance.
I no longer had hard feeling for Bagley and his family (mostly his outspoken I know it all and my son is the greatest gift since Patrick Ewing dad) since forever ago. Missed opportunities and bad situation that caused lots of drama and what not, I sincerely wish him and his family the best of luck going forward. The Bagley family, the kings organization, especially the kings fans deserve that.
Bagley is a sad story, someone who has been lead to believe that he is a much better basketball player than is, by his family, by his agent, by Vlade and the Kings. No one made the Kings give him minutes that he never earned. So, like you, I wish him and his family the best of luck, and I hope he finds a role in Detroit.
He can still get drastically better in the next ten years if he puts in the time to really work on his game and address his weaknesses. There is no shortcut to success, such is the case for everyone including us regular people with regular jobs
I mean, being 6’11 and extremely athletic is about as a big a shortcut you can find
Agreed 100 percent … I can personally guarantee that if I woke up tomorrow with Marvin’s size and athletic ability I would be the greatest NBA player ever, and there wouldn’t be a close second. The “want to be great” is the key ingridient missing and always has been for Marv.
He just might if he can stay healthy. I said in an earlier post that Detroit is a good team to take a chance on him.
This seems… competent?
…is this competence?
You’re asking us? We’re Kings fans!
Bagley apparently has his own neighborhood in Detroit. The King of Detroit?:
https://theneighborhoods.org/neighborhoods/bagley
Or he could be going to
KrainzKangz WoodsCan’t believe Bagley got us Donte, and on top of DD- Lyles and Jackson.
Hope DiVincenzo gets back to form and brings the defense.
I bet Donte can play very well off of Sabonis. Just really high IQ guys
Absolutely. It’s exciting to shift from two lower BBIQ in Buddy and Bagley, to higher IQ guys in Domas and Donte! And I hope we see another deal coming soon.
Understatement of the century. My dog has better BBIQ than B & B.
I am hoping Bridges, Jones Jr. or Okogie.
Yeah, the BBIQ thing is big.
This is it. The trade also shows me that Monte recognizes Fox’s limitations as a distributor, so he is going to put guys on the floor with him to help with that.
So will this cause TKH to crash again? 😉
Hopefully not. Any crash, and Bagley is liable to get injured. Gotta let the trade go through first.
Thus the red banner that says “Breaking”.
So many TKH posts to comment on this AM!!
Yes, my productivity at work is zilch today.
Really tough for me to stay focused today
Kudo’s to Monte; that is very good.
I’ll leave final judgment to Brown, but I agree with you.
solid trade. There is a good chance Divincenzo can be signed at a value deal in the offseason because of his ankle injury and he fits what I perceive to be the new team identity. Feeling optimistic about this squad, especially after last night’s game.
I have gone into deep acceptance in my stages of grief and now I am ruined! There is a light above acceptance. Last night alone was good enough to brighten my mood. That is how we should have played all year.
Today: It is not MB3’s fault- he was just not that effective- Stromile Swift + Darko etc. And Kings passed on 2 all-stars- Trae and that other guy + JJJ. I guess, oh well and acceptance.
JJ and Lyes are just toss ins. and expiring which is the point.
Sabonis is a very good player and team played better. Lamb played over his head and Holiday under his head.
Donte will be fine- and is as good of a consolation prize as possible
Who would have thought that we could trade Buddy and Bagley and actually get something?
Out: Hali, Buddy, TT, MB3 — 4
In: Sabonis, Holiday, Lamb, DD, Jackson, Lyles– 6
One more move?
Hornets want Pfertl (whatever) and are willing to give up Wahington, K. Jones and a pick. Why is Jacob rated higher than Holmes? Defense, I guess.
Brighter day but this means an all-in push for play in. only to lose.
Much more balance now. But too many centers.
Lyles has played well for Detroit this year. Not a bad cutter and not a bad passer. He could work well with Sabonis when they are on the court together. I’m not saying start Lyles, but I don’t think he’ll be a liability while he’s a King.
I feel like Lyles might have value to a legit playoff team and Boston just cleared two players from their roster. Lyles to Boston for a future 2nd?
Lyles to Boston for Marcus Smart and/or Jaylen Brown. Take it or leave it.
UPDATE: They left it.
https://twitter.com/James_HamNBA/status/1491834877871677451
Assuming DD recovers from his injury and the Kings re-sign him, would he be starting at the 2, or coming off the bench? I suppose that depends partly on how Mitchell progresses. Speaking of Davion, he’s probably the only person in Sac who isn’t thrilled by this trade.
There is also Terrance Davis there in the backcourt.
Sounds like a good problem to have! I think Mitchell will continue to come off the bench like he did yesterday. I think DD will come off the bench but also he is insurance if TD leaves.
Davis is on an extremely favorable deal, defends well, and goes after rebounds like a power forward. I really like what he adds.
I can squint and see Davis as the starting SG, with Donte & Davion as the bench backcourt.
DD pick up is huge. Now, Kings just need a starting 3 that can shoot. Holiday at 32 is not the answer beyond this season.
I see no problem with Harrison Barnes as our starting three.
So happy to see Bagely and Buddy gone! I have been wanting this for years. Excited to watch the games again.
It’s Lean on 3s now. Only 3 that are worth trading for now. Bridges, Jones Jr. and Okogie.
This does not change the need for another higher end talent on this roster. And I am still not convinced that this path will give us a team that can win 50 games in a season. But I do know that I had an absolute ball watching the game last night, and the team appears to be a 180 of what it was 48 hours ago. Credit where credit is due – they spun a #12 draft pick into a top 30-35 player, and one that seems to make the players around him better, even/especially the team’s other top player.
Work to be done, but I might even enter the doors of G1C to watch this team. To the front office that has taken two off-seasons and two trade deadlines to get us to this point, I give you the understated hat tip.
Took about 1 year, getting there
Absolutely. The decision to retain Walton into this season was a head scratcher. Got nothing for Bogi. Hield devalued greatly from last deadline to this deadline. That puts at least a little tarnish on the draft acumen.
I know that fantasy football is a shit poor comparison, but I’ve always said that you need skill, talent, timing and luck to win it all. Remove any of those components and you’re not a champion. I think that is more through error than design that the Kings arrived at this intersection, and the story is far from fully written. But on the whole I think that this team is finally better than it was the day the new front office was installed. That’s a small victory for most teams – standard operating procedure, in fact. But it’s something we have not seen around these parts for a long, long time.
To be fair, Monte did try to get DD for Bogi, and Bogi’s agent sabotaged the deal.
Yeah yeah, and he almost dealt Hield for Kuzma and Harrell. Points in horseshoes, but no credit in the NBA for almost deals.
That’s glib. You construct a good deal, the other guy agrees in principle, and then screws you to, ultimately, make his team far worse than it could have been.
It would have been great if the deal had gone through, but the fact that McNair built a trade that would have helped the Kings, and at relatively little cost?
It shouldn’t be hard to imagine a general manager who is incapable of that.
This certainly warrants more than a tiny asterisk.
It’s not a head scratcher when his boss tells him he has to keep him for financial reasons.
Which is why I always frame it as the organization. It is indeed a head scratcher that the organization made that call – I’m not going to unpack who made the call.
I will say this, however. I have always been in for a penny, in for a pound. So if we are looking specifically at McNair or the front office as a whole, there is no cherry picking. Basketball operations is either making the calls or they are nothing more than a paper tiger for ownership. So the front office either gets full credit or no credit, at least from my perspective.
It still seems like a gross oversimplification of the way that things actually work, and you are not one who ordinarily fails to find nuance.
Given the lack of interest in hiring Walton as a coach now that he’s free, it’s not crazy to conclude that McNair never would have hired Walton. You can cite McNair’s press conference backing Walton, but let’s call it what it was: A hostage video.
From a financial perspective, I understand Ranadive’s disinclination to just eat $11 million dollars, and the likely directive he gave to McNair about it. The team would have been better off dumping Walton last spring (or two years before), but it wasn’t permitted. Now that McNair is being allowed to do his job, it’s becoming increasingly clear that he’s pretty good at it.
In half an hour, his next big decision will be who to hire as head coach. I like our chances in finding someone who will make good sense for the roster we’ve got after game 82.
rec’ed for
Have to admit I liked that part too.
You’re going full monte, Rob?
The no pants aspect of it is certainly my brand.
Agreed. I think the Kings will have to contend with a normal and healthy Western Conference next year.
Zion, Porter, Murray, Kawhi, George should all be back and healthy. This current team will be alot more fun to watch. But, I really don’t see a Top 8 team. Especially with a healthy Western Conference.
The Kings now have a opportunity for a playin. But, I am not ready to say this is a legit playoff team.
If Fox can play like he has the past 2 games. Then, we can talk. But, I need to see that the rest of the season and From Day 1 next season. I am not sold yet.
Once the excitement of Sabonis wears off. Lets see where Fox’s game mentality is. I still don’t think he has the killer instinct to be a number 1 option.
Maybe, Sabonis will bring that out of him.
I think Sabonis should be & will be the #1 option.
Problem solved
One thing’s for certain, she sure is generous with the lube.
OMG, Brooklyn destroyed Morey! HAHAHAHA!
So, Harden is a Sixer now.
Indeed
Thoughts?
Thrilled they didn’t give up Maxey or Thybulle. I suppose giving up Curry is fine as a position swap. The picks seem to be the high price to pay.
I’ve always thought he’s perfect for Embiid, who continues to put in the work to be a high IQ player. I’m hopeful James takes that to another level.
With the changes in officiating re: contact I wonder if Harden will ever be the player that he once was.
Simmons could not be going to a better situation.
Refs have definitely begun allowing Trae to hunt fouls again, if his free throw numbers are any indication. I liked the crackdown, it’d made the games much easier to watch.
Harden in another season will be the next – Westbrook or Wall ! Hope he signs a 200 million extension ! Morey ruined Houston and on the way to doing the same in Philly !
Glad Monte dropped out when he did and screwed Morey out of any leverage. Nets got to just sit back and mock Morey’s man crush. They owe us one of those firsts.
This is the drinking and dancing thread, yes?
Is anyone else nervous that Bagley won’t pass his physical?
That would be very Kangzy, wouldn’t it? It does appear Detroit wants to kick the tires on Bagley. How horrible would it be to lose out on Donte twice?
The Kings are taking every precaution in shipping him.
That’s a great movie.
Sabs is the Kings’ Icebox.
Ed O’Neill to the Pacers announcers on March 23rd: That’s our former 2 time all star C. And he’s PISSSSSED.
/End scene
Wow.
I am on the Monte train ! Just waive Woodard and King !
King is a two way. Waiving him doesn’t free up a regular roster spot.
I’m overwhelmed. Just catching up. From what I can see McNair has moved every player this (TKH) fanbase had issues with and got back value each time. Last nights game was fantastic. McNair has essentially remade the team. Wow
I need time to digest this. But I like the moves alot at first blush even though there’s alot more work to be done .
Me too. Wasn’t suggesting at all that everything that needs to be done has been done only that these trades are IMO a good start.
Haven’t forgotten Hali at all. I think a couple years down the road it is quite likely that KIngs fans will look back and ask what the hell was the FO thinking.
I’m personally higher than most on Davion and believe that the Hali trade will speed up his development and that will be a very good thing for the Kings.
It’s okay on the service and might help some the rest of this season. After that it looks like a big nothing burger.
Lol ok
If getting rid of malcontent clowns Buddy and Marv change Fox’s outlook, and he gets back on track to being an All-Star, then this is so far from a nothing burger. You notice Fox had great things to say about Hali when he left. What has he said about Buddy and Marv?
It’s unlikely any of the return they got for Marvin will be here very long. As I said, it might help a bit the rest of this season but after this it’s inconsequential. In a way, you can make the case helping this season is not such a good thing as it will just move us down in the draft order.
I can easily see DD being here for awhile. You can also make the case, if the Suns didn’t play hard and come together two years ago, they wouldn’t have attracted Chris Paul and become 2-seed in the West last year, and 1-seed this year.
Agreed, DiVincenzo is the real get in this trade. He could be an excellent rotation player here once he recovers from injury. The deal breaks up any problems that would have come with Bagley’s RFA, add adds flexibility to what can be done after the season.
It is always better to have more options than fewer.
And how does it add options and flexibility after this season.
DD staying here for what and how much. These guys are all rentals.
The caveat being that the Kings have RFA rights to DDV. The roster needed a 3rd ball handler, and in DDV they get a guy that can play either guard position.
It depends on what the market price is for him in the off-season, but the Kings do have matching rights. As I noted in the Hali thread, the market determines whether or not those rights actually mean anything.
DD’s QO is something like $6.6M. He’s not going anywhere.
For the umpteenth time, stop thinking of the QO as a contract number. It’s a placeholder that’s designed to encourage teams and players to come to agreement.
Other than the fact that offering up the QO is what makes a player RFA.
I’d be shocked if DD signed the QO.
Oh, sure, but the player doesn’t have a whole lot of negotiating power once the QO is made. Unless some team is willing to pay *way* over-market that won’t be matched (like Bogi), the player is pretty much stuck with their original team under some terms and the only vector out is S&T.
This should be a dance thread.
https://www.deseret.com/2018/4/3/20627163/former-utah-jazz-player-trey-lyles-rips-on-utah-quin-snyder-s-practices
This conversation eventually turned into a tangent about the five worst cities in the NBA. Lyles, who grew up in Indianapolis after moving from Canada as a 7-year-old, rattled off four cities: Detroit, Memphis, Milwaukee and Sacramento (“It’s horrible,” he said).
What? He’s not wrong.
Yeah, we’re over populated here. You don’t have to stay here Trey Lyles!
You can freeze to death in the other cities he mentioned. Good luck with that, Trey.
>Talks trash about Sacramento
>Is from Indiana
If he’s talking about NBA cities, and not just cities, then it’s tough to argue. If he’s talking about the cities themselves, he can cram it with walnuts.
Probably almonds… but we grow walnuts in the valley too!
Well, if we’re going to go with Farm to Fanny™ sourcing, then we should offer some locally-grown onions.
Wonte Wcnair today.
Surprised the Kings did not trade Holmes. We all love him, but with Sabonis at the 5, he’s a bit of a misfit now. Wish we could’ve gotten something good for him and given him a new opportunity in the process.
Hilarious and perfect!
https://twitter.com/billoram/status/1491864735519686661?cxt=HHwWioCq2dPElbQpAAAA
“That’s a shame,” said no one.
Zinger for Dinwiddie. Can’t say I saw that one coming…
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491858904791269376
I think the deal between the Nets and Philadelphia just sealed the deal that they’ll be in the Eastern finals. I really like the Nets having Ben Simmons going downhill getting the court spread out for all those shooters. If both teams are fully loaded, advantage Nets IMO. Plus Simmons makes them a better defensive team. Certainly Philadelphia is much much better off with Harden as opposed to having Ben Simmons getting paid for nothing.
In hindsight we probably should have just drafted Luka Doncic.
In foresight, we should have drafted Luka.
Marv, when all is said and done … don’t let the door hit ya … where the Good Lord split ya.
Finally the chapter of The Worst Mistake in Franchise History has come to an end.
I’d argue that hiring VD to run a team was the worst move, since so many other terrible mistakes stem from that.
An actual human in return for Bagley…..
This GM is proving to be pretty decent.
The signs of Mr. Bagley’s ignominious run in Sacramento were available from the start!
https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018/7/5/17539012/top-10-reasons-the-second-pick-in-the-draft-is-not-another-t-rob?_ga=2.50272166.1054163892.1636728918-1720567943.1601040046
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
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