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Sacramento Kings have acquired Terence Davis from the Toronto Raptors

The Kings add another young guard into the mix.

The Sacramento Kings have made another minor move at the 2021 NBA trade deadline. According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Toronto Raptors are trading guard Terence Davis to Sacramento for a future second round pick.

James Ham followed up with a report stating the Kings gave up the 2021 second round pick they own via Memphis.

Terence Davis is a 23-year old 2nd year guard out of Ole Miss. He went undrafted in 2019 but later signed 2-yr minimum salary contract with the Raptors and played well enough to earn a spot on the NBA All-Rookie 2nd Team.

Davis is averaging 6.9 points, 1.1 assists, and 1.1 rebounds on .414 shooting from the field, and .361 shooting from three in 14.5 minutes off the bench for the Raptors this season.

The Athletic's Blake Murphy detailed assault allegations against Davis back in February stemming from an incident in New York City back in October 2020:

Davis was originally facing seven charges, including two counts of third-degree assault, stemming from an October incident in New York, in which he allegedly got into a verbal argument with his girlfriend and €œsubject hit the victim in the face,€ according to an NYPD statement.

Some of those charges were later dismissed, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

But according to Murphy, "the NBA/NBPA investigation remains ongoing" so while there is some legal resolution, it's unclear how, when, or if the NBA/NBPA will provide an update with their findings.

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Mike120
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March 25, 2021 12:31 pm

Nice bench guard. Gave up little.

VladePotty
March 25, 2021 12:32 pm

This is our year. We’re going all the way ladies and gentlemen. No stopping us now.

TheGrantNapear
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March 25, 2021 12:35 pm

#Kangz
About sums it up.

1951
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March 25, 2021 12:35 pm

“The charges were dropped” seems a bit misleading:

https://twitter.com/marx_posts/status/1375162207579762688

It appears that he just struck a deal with the prosecutors.

Which is gross. Maybe Luke needed someone to bond with over making deals to resolve violence against women.

But hey, look over here and watch the all women/non-binary broadcast to see how progressive the org is on women’s issues!

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March 25, 2021 12:37 pm
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Simply delightful.

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March 25, 2021 12:45 pm
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Does not do much to improve my views on Monte.

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March 25, 2021 1:37 pm
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Davis is off the books in a month, I’m surprised it had any effect at all.

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March 25, 2021 12:58 pm
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I’m guessing you have inside information on what occurred in both these situations? Feel free to enlighten us on the information you have.

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March 25, 2021 9:37 pm
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Ah yes, let’s defend the guy who quite obviously hit a woman in the face because he was mad. Go Kings, right?

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March 25, 2021 1:00 pm
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Fk vivek

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March 25, 2021 12:35 pm

Possible issues with domestic violence among other things. Not cool, but he’ll fit in with Luke.

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March 25, 2021 12:36 pm

If this is our trade deadline final deal, I’ll be the first but not last to say, F#*k Vivek and his meddling.

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March 25, 2021 12:49 pm
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Agreed, but I will say this about Monte: he knew exactly what Vivek’s reputation was coming in. He took the job while accepting he can’t fire Walton.
He got the fancy title and cashes the fat checks, so he fully shares the responsibility and does not get to hide behind Vivek.

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March 25, 2021 12:56 pm
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You know, there is the very real possibility that many here overvalued Barnes as an asset. And we know that Hield is a tough move currently.

I’ve been skeptical that there were many GMs who would ignore HB’s contract and pre-Sacramento mediocrity.

But again, who knows? McNair may have gotten some decent offers for Barnes but decided chasing the play-in was more important.

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March 25, 2021 1:04 pm
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I don’t really care about how people here valued players within this context. I care that we- a bad team without assets or cap space and not particularly young – basically stood pat instead of choosing a direction.

At least Vlade gave hilariously bad and therefore entertaining press conferences…

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March 25, 2021 1:44 pm
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Why oh why didn’t McNair pull the trigger on any of the fair-to-favorable offers he received for Barnes or Hield? Seriously, I’m asking, and if you could throw in some details about these amazing offers, I may come to agree with you.

And we still have both assets, either of which may come up in off-season trade scenarios. That’s absolutely a direction, particularly when your other choice is getting your dick handed to you at the negotiating table.

The commonness of takes like this continues to confound.

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March 25, 2021 2:52 pm
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Who is talking about amazing deals?
where did I write that?
How about you stop putting words in my mouth?

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March 25, 2021 1:44 pm
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This could well be true. It is hard to see a team taking Hield unless the Kings take back something pretty bad in return. I do think that now was the time to trade Barnes, though. One of the two had to be moved.

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March 25, 2021 2:10 pm
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You could be right but taking on more payroll next year for a journeyman backup makes no sense to me. I can’t see anything that advances the ball in the slightest way. They may have been better doing nothing.

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March 25, 2021 3:11 pm
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He’s worth what you can get for him, and right now that’s not much because if for no other reason but that no one was gonna give fair market value to a first year GM who hadn’t (hasn’t?) proven he can or will demand it. Especially when talking about Danny Ainge. Also, Barnes contract has declined and, however you may feel about his value, his performance has not declined. This suggests, to me, his trade value should be better next year than this.
I also don’t buy the CRAP about they can’t afford to keep Holmes if they don’t cut a bunch of bait. The NBA has a soft cap, VERY soft. The Kings have the 27th highest payroll out of thirty (and I realize it’ll be higher next season), NBA teams don’t lose players because they can’t pay them. They let them walk because they don’t want to pay them. The Warriors had a larger payroll last year than the Kings do this year, then they re-signed Klay for the max.
I’m glad Monte didn’t act too desperate to fire-sale a couple of our few players who actually can fill a meaningful role on a competitive NBA roster. Better that he took the time to do, (according to media reports) due diligence, negotiating with multiple teams and walking away from whatever fleece-job deals they were selling. At the very least, hopefully, the rest of the league got a chance to get a feel for Monte and his style going forward, and Monte got a chance to set the tone for future talks which should help them become more fruitful going forward.
Also, I hope Silver sticks with the play-in tourney, as it seems to cut down on the number of tanks league wide.

highland_doug
March 25, 2021 12:37 pm

I like the Davis trade, but overall I don’t understand what the heck the Kings are doing. This was a year to stockpile assets. The only part of the roster that should be cordoned off is Fox and Halliburton. None of that was accomplished.

Maybe there will be better deals to be had in the off season. It’s possible nothing tempting was ever on the table.

But I think Monte McNair is a stable, rational NBA mind. Which makes me think this trade deadline was dictated by Vivek’s meddling and his odd obsession with racing to the 8th seed as fast as possible rather than building a winner. And that’s as troubling a takeaway as anything.

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March 25, 2021 12:54 pm
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Maybe there will be better deals to be had in the off season. 

Funny how many people here (after nothing happend beside the failed Bogi sign and trade) insisted that the best value would be at the trade deadline, when teams desperate to make a push would offer value for guys like Hield, Barnes, Bjelica and Hassan the best FA signing since forever Whiteside.

But I guess hope springs eternal.

LOUiE
March 25, 2021 12:38 pm

So do the Kings now have to waive two people? After the NB trade they had to waive at least one guy. Now they have two over the limit.

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March 25, 2021 12:52 pm
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BREAKING: Kings waive Tyrese Haliburton, Harrison Barnes. Vivek: “This will open up minutes for Terrence and Delon, who are great jazz musicians, I’ve been told by Raptors and Pistons executives.”

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March 25, 2021 12:40 pm

Another guy with women issues?
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Great job, Vivek, just a great job.

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March 25, 2021 1:42 pm

And 1.

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March 25, 2021 1:45 pm

A lot of energy spent getting angry about a guy who will be gone in a month.

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March 25, 2021 1:51 pm
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Not really the point, but I suspect you know that.

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March 25, 2021 2:53 pm
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Indeed.

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March 25, 2021 1:53 pm
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You’re right in a vacuum, but my feelings on this team don’t compartmentalize things.

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March 25, 2021 1:53 pm

Davis hasn’t had the best public response to the virus by any means, but I can’t find anything that about him being a covid denier. I see that he wore a mask with a hole in it while in the bubble, and posting something on instagram about a debunked cure for COVID. Am I missing something?

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March 26, 2021 10:37 am
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I suppose the reasoning is that if you cut a hole in your mask, you are implying COVID is not a thing that needs to be contained; therefore, you are a COVID denier. As for posting debunked “cures” online, that just makes you stupid.

As long as the Kings are going to be a bad team, can they at least refrain from knowingly employing bad people who do/have done hateful, mean, hurtful, and/or violent things? DMC, Matt Barnes, Darren Collison, Rajon Rondo, Ron Artest, Terence Davis… I’m sensing a pattern here.

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March 25, 2021 12:43 pm

RAGE

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March 25, 2021 12:43 pm

Just waiting for the Athletic article in the offseason about Vivek’s meddling during this deadline.

We should have RJ Hampton and a 1st or Romeo Langford and a 1st or an even bigger multitude of 2nd rounders but at the end of all this we only ended up with Terrence Davis, Delon Wright and a worse draft pick for next season.

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March 25, 2021 12:48 pm
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Hampton is the sort of guy you should have been after. I would have loved to see him here. You probably could have had Bol2 if you wanted another wildcard. I don’t really understand this trade season for the Kings.

It’s possible Hampton was never available though. It’s entirely probable the Nuggs targeted Gordon 1 and Barnes 2, and when they realized they’d have to give up RJ to get either, they got to deal for their primary target.

But I do think Barnes could have netted you something good for the future, and it didn’t happen. He’ll be gone before the Kings are good so it’s just a head scratcher for me.

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March 25, 2021 12:52 pm
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Oh, haha, you’re under the assumption that any of this is supposed to make sense.

I don’t really understand this trade season for the Kings.

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March 25, 2021 1:47 pm
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We should have RJ Hampton and a 1st or Romeo Langford and a 1st or an even bigger multitude of 2nd rounders

Can you provide a link to anything that mentions this particular offer being on the table?

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March 25, 2021 2:22 pm
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My thoughts exactly. What if Boston’s offer was 2 2nds, like it was to get them Never Google?

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March 25, 2021 2:52 pm
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Please no Langford ! Is not even a good G League player as proven by his stints with Maine !

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March 25, 2021 12:44 pm

We pretty much just re-shuffled the deck chairs this trade deadline. Disappointing, was looking for a more futuristic (picks) approach.

Not to mention Terrence Davis has legal issues.

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March 25, 2021 12:45 pm

So we’ve traded three second rounders and Nemenja (I don’t count CoJo as anything) for two mediocre backup guards who don’t even save cap space? Uhhhhhh????

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March 25, 2021 12:47 pm

Chill out folks! The team can always make more trades this summer! I’d love to see what this core can do with a few different smaller pieces and draft picks and a new coach before it’s blown up. Walton is terrible.

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March 25, 2021 12:51 pm

Aren’t we sort of passed the point of “chilling out”? We’ve been told to chill out for 15 years. It’s the organization’s responsibility to do things that allow any of us the freedom to chill out. All the deadline has done is ensure that we will neither make the playoffs, nor be in position to get a top-5 pick. That’s it.

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March 25, 2021 12:53 pm

This is my exact read. Like a burning effort to end up at 32-40 and pick at #14. What does that do for anyone? Why not burn it all down for exactly half of a season to seize a top pick and some solid young assets? Have we spent all this time looking forward to Delon Wright and Terrence Davis?

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March 25, 2021 12:56 pm
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Actually, pick 14 might be better than pick 7. Same tier of players in a grossly overrated draft class.

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March 25, 2021 12:57 pm
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We can argue one way or the other about the specifics of this particular draft, but as a long-term plan trying to be the 9th-11th team in the West every year doesn’t do anything for anyone.

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March 25, 2021 1:03 pm
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No one ever said anything about trying to be 9th or 11th or whatever. It might simply be about improving, trying to win more games, not only this year but also next year. The defense improves, which is really important. There’s also a chance one of those players sticks around longer.

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March 25, 2021 1:05 pm
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I think this team is grossly underperforming under Walton. Outside of what I said above, I wish Buddy was moved before the deadline today.

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March 25, 2021 1:27 pm

You may think that but look at the expected win totals. I placed a bet that the Kings would win more than 28 1/2 wins. I like my chances right now. Name 5-7 rosters that the Kings are better than. Having said that, I’ll take Mark Few or Nancy Lieberman for Walton right now but replacing him with another NBA retread doesn’t accomplish much.

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March 25, 2021 12:51 pm

Yeah but we’ve crossed over from ‘Now Monte gets to show us what he’s made of at the deadline!’ to ‘Monte better fix this shit this summer or he can go.’ It’s always possible that it’s just Vivek keeping his hands tied, but that suggests an even more permanent state of mediocrity from this team.

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March 25, 2021 3:01 pm
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Vivek only hires people that have never ran a franchise so he can !

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March 25, 2021 2:23 pm

Honestly, I’m at the point where I’m just expecting this kind of stuff while Vivek is owner. I’m not expecting anything majorly positive until he’s no longer the owner.

I think it’s pretty clear that he’s the issue in this franchise.

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March 25, 2021 12:52 pm

Monte McDumb proves he’s as useless as Vlade.

The franchise still has no direction. Right now, it looks like they are a bottom-level talent team that thinks they have a chance at a play-in game.

If you’re gonna make a run, go make a play for Gordon or Powell or even Lou Williams. If you’re gonna tank, trade Harrison and Buddy.

But this is just plain imbecilic.

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March 25, 2021 12:55 pm
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Yup. Actively striving for bad-but-not-terrible. Totally worthless.

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March 25, 2021 1:06 pm
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Williams is a shell of his old self.

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March 25, 2021 12:52 pm

Got my Kings Finals 2021 gear ready to go, IM PUMPED.

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March 25, 2021 12:57 pm

Barnes: still here.
Hield: still here.
Bagley: still here.
New draft picks: none.
Current draft picks: now fewer in number.
Number of guards on roster: excessive.
Chances of making a legitimate playoff run: same.

What the hell just happened? Is this team REALLY making moves to “push for” a PLAY-IN GAME??? There’s no way Monte McNair made these moves by himself, because there’s no way Monte McNair is that short-sighted and stupid about how NBA basketball works. This HAS to be Vivek. Right? Right??? Jesus flipping Jiminy-Crickets, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Is Vlade still Shadow GM for this team? Is McNair just an android powered by TIBCO software? These moves are Deluxe Divac, aren’t they??? SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

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March 25, 2021 1:00 pm
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Yeah no single trade was bad in a vacuum, but taken together as a whole in the context of where this team is now, where it’s been the last 15 years, and where it’s headed, this is one of the shittiest deadlines I could’ve expected.

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March 25, 2021 1:08 pm
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Right. And even if this was done to push for a God-forsaken play-in game spot, it still doesn’t make sense. Wright and Davis are bench guards, and guard is already the team’s strongest position by far. The Kings don’t need guards! They have Fox and Hali and Buddy! It’s a legitimate strength already. Where’s the 3/4 who can spell Barnes and keep him fresh for the 4th quarter grind? Where’s the 5 who can give Holmes a break while running the P&R and keeping the team respectable inside? “Asinine” doesn’t begin describe this team’s decisions.

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March 25, 2021 1:11 pm
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Totally agree. We did need a backup PG (obviously) so the Delon deal felt fine. But Davis? For what? To backup our deepest position and assure that Ramsey never sees the light of day again?

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March 25, 2021 1:49 pm
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I can only wonder how outraged you’d be about having a player on the roster who won’t be gone in a month.

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March 25, 2021 2:02 pm
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So we’ll only have him for a month you say? That makes me feel better about trading a long-term asset.

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March 25, 2021 2:15 pm
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A second-rounder in a yet-to-be-determined draft is technically a long-term asset. Having the payroll come down in the immediate, and possibly post-season to provide flexibility feels more valuable than the opportunity to draft the next Jay Scrubb.

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March 25, 2021 2:13 pm
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It did? $6 million more on next years payroll. At a minimum we should have been trying to create some cap space and acquire draft picks not give up two seconds.

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March 25, 2021 2:48 pm

Having the payroll come down in the immediate, and possibly post-season

Adverbs matter, kid. Adverbs matter.

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March 25, 2021 12:59 pm

Can someone explain the draft odds with the play in games in mind?

If we were to make the play in at 10, are we outside of the lottery? Do the percentages change this year if seed 10 and 9 are included in the playoffs? I am sure its not much but just curious.

Thanks in advance

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March 25, 2021 4:00 pm
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lottery is all teams not in playoffs. if #9 or #10 advance to playoffs, they are not in lottery but the displaced 8 or 7 is in the lottery.

The odds of getting a top pick from the last lottery position are minuscule.

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March 25, 2021 12:59 pm

Also, based on what the Bulls gave up Vuc was gettable by the Kings for a very affordable price if Monte wanted to actually compete on the sooners side.

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March 25, 2021 1:02 pm
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I dont think what Chicago gave up could be considered affordable. I agree we could have likely done that trade if their intent was the playoffs. That also would have been a mistake in my point of view.

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March 25, 2021 1:52 pm

I’m kind of a wait-and-see, too. Vuc is a modern center, and an all-star, but it made sense for Orlando to do the deal. They’re obviously looking to get younger, and none of Barnes, Hield, or Holmes helps move that forward.

I suppose it’s just easier to assume that McNair had a viable deal with Orlando and decided to decline for, reasons.

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March 25, 2021 1:54 pm
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I don’t want Vuc. Why? I rather stay put than give up young guys for Vuc. If Vuc was a small forward with great defense rather than a center, I might change my mind.

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March 25, 2021 2:21 pm
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Because they should pick a road. My preference would have been to strip things down but that’s not what they did. Are they winning now or building for the future?

The trade deadline is more half assing it.

If you are trying to make the play in game this year and the playoffs next year then adding an All-Star center to pair with the Fox/Hali core for what? Bagley and a couple of protected picks? That’s a pretty cheap influx of talent!

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March 25, 2021 1:00 pm

There will be plenty of analysis on whether the decision to build upon the foundation is the right move, but I’d be interested in also seeing some analysis on how they performed based on the assumption that they were threading the needle. If the goal was to improve in the short-term, while also setting themselves up for long-term success, then did this deadline help them meet that goal?

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March 25, 2021 1:16 pm
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The only reason we haven’t gone full tank, stitched up a Top 5 pick and sold off the rest for parts is because of Vivek’s insistence that we try to make a play-in tournament (his highest aspiration being a participation trophy in the playoffs is embarrassing even as a Kings fan, but I digress) but…..these moves don’t even help do that really? To me, we dropped three second rounders for what amounts to a lateral move in relative talent on the roster. So what’s it for? God damn you, Kangz.

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March 25, 2021 1:33 pm
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I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. McNair made a conscious decision to build around Fox. Part of that is showing Fox the team is capable of building aroung him on a timeline he’s okay with. There’s also a perception issue with the Kings w/r/t to the rest of the league. They need to credibly show they’ve moved past being the Kangz in order to get a seat at the table with more impactful free agents. We can all argue about the strategy/timing on how to rectify both those perception issues, but those are issues that need to be addressed.

My question is can the Kings be a competitive team next season with a rotation of Fox/Haliburton/Buddy/Wright/Davis/Barnes/Holmes (assuming they can re-sign him) plus their 2021 FRP, and the player(s) they can sign with the MLE/BAE? It’s possible, but threading the needle won’t be easy.

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March 25, 2021 1:46 pm
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Respectfully, that starting five is literally the same one that’s been sucking it up this season and I’m skeptical that Wright and Davis are gonna move the needle at all. And assuming this were the case, doesn’t it sound like we’re essentially headed into next offseason in a near-identical position as the last one? Because then this whole season, which we were supposed to be using to position for next year, is just a complete waste. And then next year comes and we play the same game again?

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March 25, 2021 1:56 pm
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Assuming that the starting five that you’re referring to is Fox, Haliburton, Barnes, Holmes, and Hield, well, they’re currently 5-1.

Were you referring to another starting lineup?

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March 25, 2021 1:59 pm
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Oh, cool, so the Kings are good then! Ok, nevermind. Damn and all this time I thought we were below .500 for the 15th straight year lol.

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March 25, 2021 2:51 pm
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You were the one who mentioned the current starting lineup moving forward, and now you want to overlay that onto the entire season?

Not really the same thing, is it?

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March 26, 2021 5:42 am
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Haliburton is NOT Bagley

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March 25, 2021 2:10 pm
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They went 0-9. Since then they’ve gone 7-5. Who have they beat?

Pistons
Lakers with no Lebron or AD. Only won by 3.
Rockets
Wizards
Celtics
Cavs
Hawks

In this “run” they’ve gone on, they’ve beaten 4 bottom dweller teams, 2 .500ish teams and barely scraped by a playoff team missing two HOFers.

Not sure what else to say other than hello to the 12th pick in the draft again.

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March 25, 2021 2:15 pm
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This current team has a shot in the play in. Especially, with a fairly soft schedule. But, next year the Kings are looking at being 10-12 again.

Why? How? Do you think the Jazz, Lakers. Clips, Den, Suns, Port, Dallas, and Spurs will fall off a cliff? Not taking into account a healthy Memphis team with JJJ. Plus, a Dubs team that own’s Minny’s pick and will have Klay back.

Can you honestly say the Kings are better than any of those teams? Really?

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March 25, 2021 2:20 pm
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We still have a our first round pick probably in the 10-15 range. That will add to the team as well. I think RORDOG is right about one thing: we need to start winning or we can’t sign anyone good. At some point, you have to show players you are actually trying. I would have been fine with the tank as well. I think both strategy would be viable. But it seems like we can’t out tank T-Wolves or Rockets and some of the other teams no matter what.

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March 25, 2021 1:25 pm
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I agree. Playoff push or tank, both of those came from media. Only thing Monte said was improve in short term and staying flexible for future. We did that. Flyer on 3 expiring deals and D Wright who I think would fit great next to fox and Hali off the bench. I’m not concerned with resigning homes because if we REALLY want him back, they’ll find a way. If we were getting nothing for buddy and Bagley, we can just take that nothing in summer with hopes buddy regains some value. And if the plan is to really compete next year, I’d keep Barnes.

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March 25, 2021 1:01 pm

I remember the days I used to think ‘once the Maloofs are gone things will turn around’

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March 25, 2021 1:25 pm
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They did, it just was a 360…

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March 25, 2021 1:28 pm
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The Maloofs and Vivek in 2013 trying to figure out who’s gonna run the Kings into the ground next

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March 25, 2021 1:32 pm
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To have 2 ownership groups this bad, back to back, is pretty incredible. What I can’t really wrap my mind around is why Vivek doesn’t realize that whatever he is doing is not working. I always think back to Geoff Petrie saying Vivek was “a very arrogant and dismissive little chap”. When looking at what this organization has done over the last 8 years that quote basically sums it all up.

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March 25, 2021 1:56 pm

“None of you have any idea of what it takes to build a basketball team,” says Vivek as he steps on the same rake for the 8th straight time.

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March 25, 2021 3:17 pm

The Maloofs were owners during an 8 year playoff run and paid big when they had money ! All their issues started with going broke !

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March 25, 2021 1:05 pm

For a franchise known for gut punches, this feels like a pretty big one.

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March 25, 2021 1:06 pm
Reply to  Gregoryl

Yeah watching the losses pile up this year felt alright when it seemed like there was something bigger at play. But now it’s just ‘haha nah there’s gonna be a lot more where that came from.’ And honestly the only person to blame is myself for expecting any different from this God-forsaken franchise.

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March 25, 2021 1:10 pm
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Every win against average to below-average teams over the past 3 weeks gave me that feeling that Vivek would start meddling again, it sure seems like it here.

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March 25, 2021 1:06 pm

I remember a few months back when I made disparaging comments about the clearly incompetent Monte and I was thrashed up and down. It seems the tide has turned; I told you so.

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March 25, 2021 1:08 pm
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Did you say something vaguely racist in those disparaging comments? That’s generally when people get after you, Bill.

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March 25, 2021 1:10 pm
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I have never said anything racist; but tell me when will you lose the weight?

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March 25, 2021 1:11 pm
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send us mirror selfies bill

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March 25, 2021 1:13 pm
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You need my work-out?

Tell you what I along with 3 of my friends swam from Catalina Island to Redondo Beach to raise money to build water wells in Africa.

When you achieve some sort of elite physical accomplishment… please share.

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March 25, 2021 1:13 pm
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Hi can I share then?

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March 25, 2021 1:16 pm
Reply to  Bill2455

I swam from Catalina Island to Redondo Beach and back but your swim seems cool tho too.

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March 25, 2021 1:19 pm
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Here is a rule, when you toss out sarcasm, there has to be a bit of wit.

Yours has none…so you just become a boor.

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March 25, 2021 1:26 pm
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I thought it was pretty funny but Rordog has never struck me as a boar. I’ve always envisioned something more equine in nature.

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March 25, 2021 1:29 pm

I think he is calling Rordog a boo-er.
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