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Chainmail: The Kings are good, huh?

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Welcome back to Chainmail, and what a joyous occasion it is! After starting the season with four straight losses, the Sacramento Kings have won seven of their last nine games, including last night's bulldozing of the Brooklyn Nets on national television, and they have posted the second-best record in the NBA since October 29th, the date their fortunes began to turn. De'Aaron Fox is playing like an All-Star, and perhaps like an All-NBA guard, Domantas Sabonis is wrecking everything in his path, and Kevin Huerter hasn't missed a three-pointer since Mike Brown had hair.

The. Sacramento. Kings. Are. Good.

Now, get to asking, so we can get to answering!

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King4life
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November 16, 2022 10:16 am

Who’s a realistic target the Kings should target to add to this group? I think Holmes is an obvious candidate to get moved but also think they should look to upgrade the Barnes spot.

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November 16, 2022 10:59 am
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Just an idea. Barnes and Holmes for Gordon Hayward. His stats show he can still play basketball. He has 2 years left on his contract. The Kings select a small forward with defense in next years draft. That gives them 1 year to develop him and Hayward starts for those two years. Right now he is shooting at over 17 points a game. He is also a very good passer and play maker and good in the locker room.

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November 16, 2022 2:13 pm
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NBA Today was saying the Nets need to trade Durant…. Barnes, Holmes, Davis, Mitchell, Len and unprotected future first for Durant? They can do this with the pending Hurter deal by converting that first to unprotected for 2024 and giving the Nets their 2026 pick.

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November 16, 2022 2:17 pm
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You’d need about 5 more unprotected firsts for the Nets to have any interest in that deal.

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November 16, 2022 10:49 pm
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For a 12x All Star. For a bunch of scraps, role players, and a late first round pick? Not happening. The man is still balling like a monster.

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November 17, 2022 12:10 pm
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Hayward has missed like his last 8 games? So like 2/3rds of the season. He might be the better player but Barnes is always available

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November 16, 2022 10:59 am
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I’ve really thought about bamba as a sabonis pairing. Never really got it going in Orlando but on paper he looks really intriguing, useful player that I’m sure coach brown could work with. Can hit the 3, long as all hell, and can potentially alter shots in the paint

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November 16, 2022 11:29 am
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I was thinking that myself, a couple weeks back.

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November 16, 2022 11:35 am
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Bamba has some motor and concentration issues that are very Willy Cauley-Stein like.

I bet this coaching staff could work on that. I just can’t look at the Orlando roster and see anything they would want from the Kings, and a future first might be tough to value when the Kings can’t even trade for him until Jan 15th.

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November 16, 2022 12:38 pm
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Since the Domas/Turner combo didn’t work well, I doubt that a Domas/Bamba combo would work well. I wouldn’t want to trade much for Bamba.

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November 16, 2022 1:51 pm
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Wasn’t the domas/turner pairing actually good though? They were just losing or something I can’t remember but sabonis’ best seasons were with turner in indy. I just want someone to take the heat off domas in the paint and bamba to me made most sense. With how loaded the magic are on bigs and bamba being a fa while underwhelming for them I can squint and see him had for a 2nd

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November 16, 2022 2:03 pm
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They went to multiple playoffs together under coach Nate McMillan. Things went sideways when they fired Nate in favor of Bjorkgen who only lasted one season. 3 coaches in 3 years can ruin a lot of chemistry.

It’s no coincidence that McMillan took the Hawks to the Eastern Conference finals just one year after being fired from the Pacers.

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November 16, 2022 4:34 pm
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Bamba is the opposite of Turner . Strictly a perimeter player on offense and low post defender on Defense . Perfect fit . Magic could use Holmes backing up Wendell Carter .

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November 17, 2022 7:15 am
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I have thought Bamba would be a good get for a while, then I started wondering why he is not playing much (mid-teens in minutes per game for every year except one) on a team that is not very good. They also continuously are bringing in other big men that are playing over him (Carter Jr., Bol, Banchero, hell, Khem Birch played more than Bamba).

Those are all red flags for me, and reminds me of the Bagley situation. Gets some stats with minutes but doesn’t seem to be a rotational piece that plays positive basketball.

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November 17, 2022 11:37 am
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I’d take a gamble. I would even consider Wiseman as a buy low candidate.

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November 16, 2022 11:01 am
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Jerry brought up a really good point abt HB on the podcast: If this team is going to be good, HB is probably your 5th best scoring option. He is figuring out what that looks like after being top 2 for years. The last few games make me think he is catching on.

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November 16, 2022 11:25 am
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I think he has been giving a lot more effort rebounding as well. He seems to be adjusting to his role.

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November 16, 2022 5:30 pm
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Since the offseason I have thought Doug McDermott would be a cheap add while adding to the teams strengths in IQ and spacing around Sabonis and Fox. I don’t think Holmes would be of interest to the Spurs but his salary could be used, expanded in a three team deal. I do think that the Indi 2nd and or a 2nd, 2nd rounder with that pick could warrant enough draft equity for the Spurs in their rebuilding timeline.

Obviously we wouldn’t be getting a defensive punch but at the most coveted position in the league you could do worse especially for 3s that are viably available.

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November 17, 2022 7:18 am

It’s like doubling-down on the strengths of the team. Shooting. Is that the way to go, or do they look at filling holes in the roster somehow? I am glad I am not a GM.

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November 17, 2022 8:31 am
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Jae Crowder maybe?

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November 16, 2022 10:18 am

What’s the story on Keegan’s back? Hope it’s a minor thing.

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November 16, 2022 11:31 am

If I’m not mistaken, they said last night he felt an uncomfortable twinge when he was reaching on a play, so they pulled him as a precaution.

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November 16, 2022 11:55 am
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went for steal, stopped suddenly, reached for his side or upper lower back. Came out about 4 minutes later

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November 16, 2022 1:22 pm
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I missed that play putting the kids to bed I think.

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November 16, 2022 12:00 pm

It was Bane.

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But Keegan The Terminator will be back.

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November 16, 2022 10:20 am

What is your current w-l and WC seeding projection, and does it differ from the beginning of the season?

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November 16, 2022 12:01 pm
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45-37 at the beginning
45-37 now

and PLAYOFFS

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November 16, 2022 12:57 pm
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I thought they’d probably win 35-38 games before the season began, Now I think it’ll be 43-46 wins.

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November 17, 2022 11:08 am
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I was at 41 to start the season, I now suspect 45 or so wins is possible and that we might be the 6 seed?

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November 16, 2022 10:28 am

How long is Tim’s positivity going to last?

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November 16, 2022 10:39 am
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What time is it?

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November 16, 2022 1:33 pm
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Kangz O’Clock

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November 16, 2022 10:28 am

Notwithstanding Keegan’s injury, do you think that Brown will make a concerted effort to get Terence Davis consistent playing time? He just seems to make things happen when he’s in.

Related: Do you think TD will start if Murray misses games, or will it be dependent on matchups?

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November 16, 2022 11:02 am
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Depending on matchups Lyles could also start. If rebounding is a question TD got 9 last night.

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November 16, 2022 12:42 pm
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The problem with TD is that when he’s not an MVP candidate, he’s really bad.

I’m satisfied with the way Brown is playing him – 5 early minutes to dip his toe in the water and find out whether TD is going to ride the bench the rest of the game or lead the team in scoring.

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November 16, 2022 2:22 pm
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I’m looking at TD’s numbers this year, including per 36, so can you elaborate as to how you’re defining “really bad?”

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November 16, 2022 3:35 pm
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He scored a third of his season’s points just last night, so that no doubt is lifting his numbers.

The game logs tell the story of TD – a highly inconsistent player that can go absolutely nuclear and win you games on occasion.

When TD isn’t shooting well, when he’s in a frenzy turning the ball over and taking bad shots, TD hurts more than he helps.

So I like the way Brown plays him, because he minimizes TD’s bad nights and maximizes his heaters.

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November 16, 2022 3:40 pm
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I am definitely on board with giving TD test minutes every game before committing one way or the other, but “Bad TD” hasn’t shown up that much this year from what I have seen. He still makes some dumb turnovers but nothing like some of his games in the past when he was just whipping the ball out of bounds on every possession (and Luke/Alvin would just leave him in there… sigh)

His shot selection is Nick Young-ish though and I don’t think that’s ever going to change, so yeah, if it’s not going down, he needs to sit.

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November 16, 2022 3:52 pm

There have been a few “Bad TD” games.

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November 16, 2022 3:41 pm
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I can see that. He definitely has some Omri Casspi to his game where he looks like a fringe star bringing all the right energy at the right moments, but on some nights he dribbles it off his foot three times, blows an open layup, and has three airballs from 40 feet.

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November 16, 2022 4:46 pm
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He’s not had any games this season where he’s had more than a single turnover. He’s about 3.6:1 assists to turnovers.

You’re all living in the past!

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November 16, 2022 10:25 pm
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Shot selection has been the problem in his bad games this season.

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November 17, 2022 8:40 am
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Reminds me a little of Marcus Thornton. He could get hot and then not.

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November 16, 2022 10:33 am

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Just enjoying the ride.

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November 16, 2022 12:09 pm
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November 16, 2022 10:36 am

What is the biggest factor contributing to the turn-around after the 0-4 start, band-aids or laser beams?

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November 16, 2022 11:03 am
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The Kings players buying in on Mike Brown. Tough Love does wonders.

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November 16, 2022 11:08 am
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Not starting KZ Okpala?

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November 16, 2022 12:09 pm
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Lithuanian Lasagna + Red Velvet, too

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November 16, 2022 5:52 pm
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Dinner and Desert

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November 16, 2022 12:26 pm
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Sabonis figuring things out. Once he started playing like himself and not fouling out, we gelled.

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November 16, 2022 5:18 pm
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Players trusting eqch other that leads to better ball movement.

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November 16, 2022 10:45 am

Question:
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November 16, 2022 10:45 am

Can this team be at least league average defensively?

It sure seems that for the most part, the defense has been as bad as the offense has been good. It would be interesting to see what we could do with a top 10 offense and say a 15th ranked defense.

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November 16, 2022 11:10 am
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Top 10 offense I can see. If we were to reach say 18th. or 20th. on defense I would be happy.

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November 16, 2022 11:34 am
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If the offense holds and the defense can creep to the bottom half of the teens, I think we bypass the play-in

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November 16, 2022 11:36 am
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Agreed. I don’t think the offense will slow down. It seems like the system fits the players well, and the passing and teamwork will only get better with familiarity.

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November 16, 2022 1:17 pm
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I’m on the same page as everyone else. I think the ceiling for this group is 15th – 19th. But with this offense, that might enough to get us in the range of the 6th seed.

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November 16, 2022 10:53 am

What does it take for Monte to get his extension? If Vivek keeps sitting on his hands, Monte will start getting calls from other teams for next season, and there is a LOT of value for a guy who can turn around this S-Show.

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November 16, 2022 11:11 am
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Good point.

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November 16, 2022 1:22 pm
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Or, if Monte does’t get an extension, what can be expected from a lame duck GM at the deadline?

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November 16, 2022 4:40 pm
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Expect a great effort . He has every reason to do the best job he can . Slacking would tell teams he is not what you need .

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November 16, 2022 9:13 pm
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yeah the lame duck GM argument is kind of lame.

Much different situation from a lame duck coach; small chance of disruption.

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November 16, 2022 10:53 am

Is this team going to suck me back in?

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November 16, 2022 12:11 pm
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This team doesn’t do any sucking.

…but yes!

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November 16, 2022 10:56 am

LIGHT THE BEAM

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November 16, 2022 11:02 am
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The Beam adds a new twist to Kings’ fans’ Saboners:

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November 16, 2022 12:12 pm
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This team is more than Skin Deep!

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November 16, 2022 11:02 am

In a recent podcast, Jerry said Barnes was the Kings’ fifth starter. Is his skillset ideal for that position? If not, what is? And how realistic is a trade for someone with that skillset?

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November 16, 2022 11:15 am
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I think if Barnes buys in on what he is expected then we will be alright. If he can’t then my idea of the above trade sounds good.

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November 16, 2022 11:19 am
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I love Holmes and Barnes. Next to Fox they have endured the most in the last few years. If they have to be moved on then so be it. Monty needs to keep improving this team every year.

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November 16, 2022 11:26 am
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If they become good again, am I silly for wanting Jason Thompson to suit up for one more game?
No one has endured as much and as long as JT, while being a class act.

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November 16, 2022 11:38 am
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Agreed. What a good dude.

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November 16, 2022 12:13 pm
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He’s only 36.

Veteran Mentor, anyone?

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November 16, 2022 11:19 am
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It’s an identity shift for him. He accepts the new role/player he is in the league, then he can be successful as a glue type of guy that contributes to winning. I hope he does, because this team has the offense from many players, and not all of them can be “the guy”.

Just hit open threes, cut to the hoop, rebound, and play solid team defense.

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November 16, 2022 11:58 am
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how do the salaries match up? and is getting Gordon a problem in off season when it becomes more difficult to add a FA.
would it not be possible to keep HB, re-sign AND add free agent whereas with a GH trade that could not happen?

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November 16, 2022 12:58 pm
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With Banes and Holmes for Hayward it works money wise. This is Barnes last year on his contract then what? Need to do something or we will lose an asset. You want Hayward now so he can accept his role and start working on it. He is a team player so I don’t think that would be a problem. You might sign Barnes but with a FA your costing the team more money. Hayward with his experience might be your glue guy. I bet he wants out of the Hornets and come to a team that is starting to rise.

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November 16, 2022 11:03 pm
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If you’re ok with a guy who misses about 30 games a year every year. Hayward is your guy.

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November 17, 2022 8:23 am
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The Utah Jazz would disagree with the statement that Hayward is a “team player.”

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November 16, 2022 11:18 am

What are your thoughts with how the Holmes situation plays out? Do you think it is a matter of him learning the system and carving a place in the rotation? His salary is enough to get an average player back.

Plumlee has been awful for the Hornets, and is not signed for next season. Would you trade Holmes for Oubre to shore up the wing position? Brown coached him for a year, albeit a mediocre one.

Would you entertain a Holmes and a pick for Kyle Kuzma?

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November 16, 2022 11:23 am
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Oubre seems to be a ball stopper and that doesn’t seem like a type of player that fits with this offense. I don’t know much about Kuzma, but when I see his face I get annoyed. Reminds me too much of Matt Barnes.

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November 16, 2022 5:35 pm
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IDK……..when I see Kuzma in his off court fashion mode I think he may be more of a lover not a fighter

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November 16, 2022 11:30 am
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Holmes for Obrue might work but a long shot. We would have to offer more than Holmes.It would be even a longer shot to get Kuzma and I personally won’t do it. Kuzma is not a team player and would disrupt the team,s chemistry.

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November 16, 2022 11:24 am

Have you thought about the affect Sasha would have on this team right now? Do you feel like Monte regards him as a replacement for Barnes for next season (or more)?

Are there any non-star players that are on your radar?

Oubre? Olynyk? Bamba?

Deni Avdija? Patrick Williams? Nerlens Noel? Obi Toppin?

Ben Simmons?

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November 16, 2022 11:46 am
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Deni!!!

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November 16, 2022 12:04 pm
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Admittedly, I don’t watch a lot of the Wiz, but looking at his career output, I’m assuming he’s considered one of those “does things that don’t show up in the stats” kind of guys? Otherwise, I don’t see the reason to have him on the radar.

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November 16, 2022 12:24 pm
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He is one of those players. Good size and smart basketball player. I think he would really benefit from a strong system like Brown’s.

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November 16, 2022 12:41 pm
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Oops. Replied to myself.
He’s a work in progress on offense but a real bad fit on the Wizards, where Beal just sucks the oxygen out of that team.

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November 17, 2022 8:19 am
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I just perused some highlights of him on nba.com. He needs a decent amount of work on offense. He did a lot of dribbling for bad paint shot attempts, and missed a lot of open 3’s. Maybe a system change and some better coaching will help.

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November 16, 2022 12:31 pm
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Defense, ball mover, glue guy.

On D He is mobile, switchable, uses his feet and doesn’t fall for fakes. Not flashy, but forces guys into difficult shots.

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November 16, 2022 12:02 pm
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The Sasha inquiry is intriguing. I asked that a few days ago, I do wish we had that option right now. No telling.
Not that enthused about any of the players above.
Wild, wild stab- Markenon if Utah decides to really tank.

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November 16, 2022 12:23 pm
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He was a big hope for me during the summer, but I think he has played too well this season. I think Ainge could have a bit of leverage with how many calls he is probably getting about him.

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November 16, 2022 1:05 pm
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I think Sasha is intriguing. Might solve some problems as we don’t have many at this time.

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November 16, 2022 1:02 pm
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3 players from above might work. Of all the above Patrick Williams would be my favorite with Deni Avdija coming in a strong second. Third is Obi Toppin.

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November 16, 2022 10:45 pm
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Personally, I like Patrick Williams and Trey Murphy (much preferred of the two) but both might be out of the King’s price range (at least what they’d be willing to pay for a lesser player who fits the timeline better). This exercise is mostly about capitalizing on HB as an asset and would require a team looking to contend this year.

Both the Bulls and Pelicans could find ways to use Barnes, but I think he would only move into the starting lineup for the Bulls as an experienced replacement for Williams which might be something the Bulls are interested in as their window with the core of that team (Lavine/DeRozan/Vuc) might be closing soon as Vuc expires this year and DeRozan next year. Even if we could find a way to make the money work (HB=$18.3M vs PW=$7.7M) we’d likely need to add some limited draft capital.

HB wouldn’t start over Ingram or Zion at either of the forward spots so the Pels wouldn’t likely be interested in his services unless there is a long-term injury. I doubt a reasonable deal is even possible for Murphy due to the salary limitations of the Pels but he’d be perfect fit at SF for the King’s current lineup.

I don’t know if HB’s expiring contract or Holmes are interesting enough to bring in a separate 3rd team that could make any of the above feasible but you never know, this is why I don’t think Monte pulls the trigger on any trades until the trade-DL as teams start looking towards next year/acquiring pieces for a playoff run this year.

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November 17, 2022 7:25 am
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I also like Murphy. At 6′ 8″ and he plays defense. I’ve always liked Williams. Any one of those two would fit my criteria as a small forward. Both young and would fit Monty,s criteria.

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November 17, 2022 9:51 am
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I don’t see any way the Kings likely trade for Barnes for Williams. Barnes is a steady veteran and has helped the team in small ways. I see a possibility where you trade Davion MItchell and Richaun Holmes for Coby White and Patrick Williams. But I don’t know if the Bulls do that.

It is what it is, but I don’t see Barnes being on the move the way the fans want. Fans see it as maximizing value of an asset, but the reality is Barnes probably doesn’t have much value to that many teams with his current status contractually unless they want a small ball PF.

I think the Kings are likely keeping Barnes unless they are receiving a major piece in return. That’s just been my take on that all along.

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November 16, 2022 11:29 am

Above .500 smells fantastic but what is your favorite scent?

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November 16, 2022 12:16 pm
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The postseason in June

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November 16, 2022 1:06 pm
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Playoffs!

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November 16, 2022 5:19 pm