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Welcome back to Chainmail! We had a ton of good questions this week, so let's jump right in!

From Hobby916:

What specific scheme/plays would you like Walton to integrate more often this season? And no snarky answers about wearing his mask, watching the tape, etc.

Tim: This question probably deserves an entire article's worth of response, but I'll respond with one thing I would like to see added and one scheme I would prefer to change.

As far as adding something goes, I don't understand, for the life of me, why Marvin Bagley isn't involved in more pick-and-rolls. He's one of the faster big men around the league, and he's athletic enough to grab just about any lob thrown around the rim. He's very Willie Cauley-Stein-like in that respect. Yet, despite those natural-born assets, Bagley was targeted in fewer than two pick-and-rolls per game last season. Of course, part of that is due to the fact that he's a soft player who doesn't roll hard and avoids contact at all costs, but Walton needs to force him into that situation until he's more comfortable. The Kings are leaving points on the table by refusing to put Bagley in the screening game.

I would also like to see the Kings stay away from constantly switching on defense as they did last season. Even with more competent defensive players on the roster, there still aren't enough versatile stoppers available to make a switch-only scheme work. There's a time and a place for switching, and there's a time and a place for fighting through screens and sticking with your man.

Will: I'm 100% with Tim on both of these, especially the latter of the two. The Kalamian tenure was, and I guess still is, a bit of an enigma to me. A well thought of defensive assistant, with success nearly everywhere he's gone, who had a knack for getting good defense out of squads with shuffling rosters and starting line-up - I'd expected the Kings to be below the average in his tenure, but never historically trash. Was the all-switching scheme something that took multiple off-seasons to full settle into mentally? Was the Kings personnel so off-kilter that the match was doomed to fail from the start? Was it a secret tank job that I should actually commend for both its audacity and subtlety???

Whichever, the all-switch-everything defense wasn't right for the Kings and outside of certain spot line-ups, I don't want to see it for a long, long time. Run a box-and-1 for all I care, just try literally anything else.

From RobHessing:

Who are (in order) your three favorite, current Kings?

Tim: Tyrese Haliburton times three. I love him with all of my heart, soul, and mind. I would leave my wife for him.

Will: Tyrese is absolutely my favorite player to watch on this team and the gap widens seemingly every time he's on the court. I'm lower than consensus on what I see his ceiling as and I still absolutely love the kid and his feel for the game. The hitch in his shot, the extra flair on a pass through traffic - he's incredibly unique and really easy viewing.

Fox is a reliable #2 for me. He's a shush-the-background-conversation to watch level guy when he's on the floor - if you're distracted and look away for a even split second, you could miss the highlight of the night. The one thing I was nervous about with Fox coming into camp and packing on those pounds was that he might lose the edge on his incredible speed and its a relief that the kid still seems fast as ever in pre-season.

My third guy is currently up for bid. I love Richaun's energy, I love Harrison Barnes' steadying presence and as the kid in high school who was the Mr. Hustle and lockdown defensive guy, I know Davion Mitchell is probably going to end up being that guy here after like three games of regular season action... but it's open for now. Someone sweep me off my feet.

From Brown.says.Good.or.Bad.

Given how the current roster looks, is holding onto Buddy Hield this season good or bad?

Tim: Buddy Hield is still kind of the odd man out in Sacramento, as they have one too many guards and they're one short of a forward/wing. Thinking back to the Kuzma trade, the roster would have a much better balance if the guard rotation was Fox/Hali/Mitchell/Davis and the starting forwards were Barnes and Kuzma. Monte McNair doesn't necessarily need to dump Buddy at the first sign of interest, but swapping him for a bigger perimeter player, even one with a slightly lower talent level, would do wonders for the rotation.

Will: It's... fine. Media Day saw Buddy a bit snarky after being a Vlade-Divac-tipped-rebound away from being a member of the Los Angeles Lakers, but he also seemed to have an understanding of where the Kings wanted to use him and for how long and the fact that he's accepted it, means that I trust what the Kings are doing right now. Buddy is never not 100% himself and if he was livid about what was going on, we'd know. He is also probably their starting small forward and that's not ideal. It should be a priority to move him but if we have to wait until the deadline to do so, ugh, okay.

Now, the Kings start out 1-8... that might be a different story.

From jwalker1395:

Is Holmes the long-term solution at center? Can he be the guy that makes the Kings a regular playoff contender? If not, what's your solution for the front-court long-term?

Tim: Last year, the following players were starting centers for a majority of the games on a playoff team: DeAndre Jordan, Serge Ibaka/Ivica Zubac, Marc Gasol, Enes Kanter, Alex Len, and Tristan Thompson. Richaun Holmes is better than any of those guys at the current stage of their individual careers. Holmes is probably an average starting center in the league as a whole, but his talent level at his position isn't the thing holding the Kings out of the playoffs. Sacramento doesn't even have a fifth starter, either at the 3 or the 4 spot, and their bench, while improved, isn't wildly strong either. The Kings need top-end talent additions at the wing/forward, not a better center.

Will: Holmes is the long-term solution at center if you invest in the right reserves behind him. Sure, he's a bit undersized and limited in his range, but getting a guy like Alex Len, who can give opponents a different look on both ends, goes a long ways. That being said, Richaun isn't going to make or break this teams ceiling. He'll continue to provide energy, be ultra-switchable, rebound and score a bit. Basically, he'll hold down his position fine. The Kings need an influx of talent in one or both forward spots if you ever want a chance to see Kings playoff games for more than a season or two. Barnes is a good starter and will be for awhile. Wherever he isn't slotted on that lineup card, that's the Achille's heel for all Kings dreams. Get an average starting SF/PF there (and no, don't try to say that Mo Harkless is that guy) and the Kings can hope for 7th seeds for 4 or 5 years.

From markdog333:

John Hollinger's Expected Extension Value (EEV) for Marvin Bagley is 4 years, $20 million. If that was the price to keep Marvin, would you re-sign him?

Tim: Not if it was for that many years. If you're offering me two years, $10 million, with maybe a second-year team option, I'm in. I haven't seen Marvin Bagley contribute to positive basketball or prove that he can stay healthy enough to show any significant changes to his on-court game. Add in the factor that he doesn't want to be here, and I would rather him just sign a small contract elsewhere next season.

Will: I can squint incredibly hard and see a "Steph Curry's 1st extension" if the Kings decided to go more than two years on whatever they might offer Bagley. I'm not saying it'll pay off in anyway close to the way it did for the Warriors, nor do I think Bagley would take a contract of that value regardless of how poorly he plays this season. 3 years, 21 mil with a team option could be the very bottom of what Bagley could accept and the roof of what the Kings could offer the once promising, now middling kid.

From SMF-PDXConnection:

If a hot dog is a sandwich, is cereal soup?

Tim: Yes, soup can be cold. Not all soups are cooked. It's soup.

Will: Why do I have to keep answering this question?! First on the Patreon episode for The Kings Herald Show and now here?!

Cereal is in no way a soup. Cereal is cereal. The Gazpacho argument is bad. The dessert soup argument is bad. It terrifies me that Tim is a father of real human children and trying to say that "not all soups are cooked". You drop raw ingredients into room temperature broth and eat that? The ingredients are cooked either separately then into the cooked broth or cooked together within the broth at the same time and that ain't happening in cereal. If cereal + milk = soup than any form of chicken + any temperature water = soup. Soup specifically has an interplay between it's ingredients and amalgamates into a soup. Cereal is a processed grain with milk over the top.

Sharing common elements with a particular group or class of things does not necessarily make it part of that group or class. Tim isn't a giraffe just because he also has a long neck and legs underneath that meat and marrow hot pocket he calls a head!

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October 11, 2021 11:04 am

Thank you.

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October 11, 2021 11:33 am

What if you simmer the processed grain in the milk for an hour?

And like, use a ladle to stir. Maybe even bang the side of the pot with the ladle for good measure?

Cereal is a processed grain with milk over the top.

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October 11, 2021 11:59 am
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Your question is so wacky, it broke the time-space continuum. How else could you have edited a comment six hours before you made it?

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October 11, 2021 12:14 pm

Thyme-space continuum, though.

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October 11, 2021 12:21 pm
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Welcome to the multi-borst.

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October 11, 2021 12:59 pm

This is the wurst timeline.

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October 11, 2021 6:14 pm

It really brot the wurst out of you guys.

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October 11, 2021 11:08 am

Of course, part of that is due to the fact that he’s a soft player who doesn’t roll hard and avoids contact at all costs

And another part is that he can’t set picks.

I really don’t see the need to try and push that square peg into a round hole.

I agree about the need to stop switching on D. Good luck fighting over screens, Fox.

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October 11, 2021 11:25 am

Tim and Will ducked my fantastic Buddy question. I am Fox and they are Ball! 😉

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October 11, 2021 11:46 am

Thanks for responding to my question.

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October 11, 2021 11:58 am

Bagley is not used as a pick and roll player because he does not play.

Walton is a phenomenally incompetent coach but, if the player does not play how do you build a game plan around him?

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October 11, 2021 12:06 pm

If there is a cartoon character on the box, or what’s inside the box makes you essentially sneeze out of your butthole, that’s cereal, chief.

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October 11, 2021 12:16 pm
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The Ben Simmons thing will get resolved before this cereal soup thing does.

You can eat this with a dinglehopper!
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October 11, 2021 1:38 pm
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By your second definition, Spam is cereal.

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October 11, 2021 1:45 pm

I’m forced to admit that I’ve lived this long and still have not tried it. I have no objection to it, I’ve just never crossed paths with it in the wild.

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October 11, 2021 2:07 pm
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Good reason to go visit Hawaii!

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October 11, 2021 4:26 pm
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It’s just processed meat in a can. I really have no earthly clue why it’s so popular.

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October 11, 2021 4:41 pm
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Go to any Hawaiian restaurant and you will find spam items on the menu!

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October 11, 2021 4:48 pm
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White rice too.

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October 11, 2021 6:48 pm
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Sims – if you are fortunate enough to live thru the apocalypse and as you are going thru dead stranger’s empty houses searching for food and you came across a massive stash of Spam I would recommend you eat it. Of course I would say the same thing about canned dog food.

They taste about the same I’m guessing……..they do smell the same. If you go to a local restaurant in Hawaii and all they had on the menu was Spam and rice I wood order the Spam and rice……..Hold the Spam.

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October 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Are rice crispy treats sushi?

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October 11, 2021 2:10 pm
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Based on that GIF, I’d say someone’s still a little upset after last night’s draft!

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October 11, 2021 2:22 pm

Why would I be upset?

Y’all going down!
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October 11, 2021 2:27 pm
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At least you didn’t get autodrafted, I suppose!

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October 11, 2021 12:10 pm

The Kings need top-end talent additions at the wing/forward, not a better center.

That said, if the best opportunity to acquire a top end talent happens to be a center, Richaun Holmes shouldn’t make you hesitate about making that move.

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October 11, 2021 12:16 pm

Any top end talent should be welcome on this team. Already have 15 guards and 17 centers.

Why worry about position now. Get top talent and move the pieces around. Trading top end talent is not too hard either.

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October 11, 2021 12:41 pm

Keep ’em coming!

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October 11, 2021 12:51 pm
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If we used a more modern definition (guards, wings, bigs), it would look even less balanced.

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October 11, 2021 1:02 pm
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When I read Hollinger’s Kings preview over at the Athletic and he bemoaned the fact that the Kings have 7 centers on the roster, I immediately snorted and thought of you Sims.

Here’s a teaser:

Look at the full roster, and it’s basically seven centers, five point guards and only four players in between, one of whom (Robert Woodard III) will rarely play.

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October 11, 2021 1:47 pm
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Hollinger is as entitled to drunk-post as much as anyone else, I guess.

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October 11, 2021 1:17 pm
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A list that shows Woodard as a guard? Who made this list? Please don’t tell me that it came from the Kings organization!

John Hollinger noted it in his Athletic article today. The team is heavy at center and guard, and lacks the wing players that are thriving in today’s NBA. Barnes and Harkless are the only players that even resemble the modern wing, and you have to squint really, really hard to even see that.

The roster as comprised seems to be destined to either play small or put yesterday’s NBA bigs into prime rotation roles. Given that Holmes is the center, it also seems that Barnes would wind up logging a lot of minutes at the four alongside Richaun – I don’t see anyone else on the roster that can achieve any level of floor spacing next to Holmes, but maybe one of these guys has suddenly developed into a healthy, efficient floor spacer.

All of that said, as disjointed as this roster is, a good coach could probably figure out a way to make the pieces fit and make the team competitive.
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October 11, 2021 1:28 pm
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Typical national media pessimism!

When have they ever been right about the Sacramento Kings?!

Oh … wait …

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October 11, 2021 1:50 pm
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Woodard seems pretty unlikely to be on the opening night roster, so I guess that whatever position he’s alleged to be playing, it’s largely moot.

But if Holllinger truly believes that the roster will have more than three actual centers on the roster when the season begins, he may want to take a sabbatical.

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October 11, 2021 1:58 pm
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So then who is getting cut?

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October 11, 2021 2:07 pm
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I’d rather discuss the point than the author. The roster appears to be very unbalanced, heavy in the front court and back court and light at the wing. Do you see it differently?

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October 11, 2021 2:28 pm
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October 11, 2021 2:29 pm
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Could Sacramento use additional wings/small forwards? Only since Rudy Gay left. Do I need John Hollinger to explain that to us, who’ve been discussing it ceaselessly for months? Not really.

His “seven centers” crap is just more gravy on the open-faced turd sandwich.

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October 11, 2021 2:42 pm
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So you agree with AnybodyButBagley that the roster is unbalanced. Thank you for your response.

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October 11, 2021 3:54 pm
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As I’ve acknowledged, there is a shortage of wings, which causes an imbalance, but if you feel that the details don’t matter, and that I should accept Hollinger’s math? Where does that leave things?

Provably true statement
/therefore, everything that follows is also true.

I sincerely doubt that you believe that to be so. And if you can track down where I said that the roster is not, in fact, unbalanced, I’d love the opportunity to punch myself in the nose.

There is a roster problem, I simply don’t accept the absolutely ridiculous numbers being thrown around in here, or by an ordinarily reliable reporter like John Hollinger.

Do you think that the roster will have seven centers on it opening night? Even five?

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October 11, 2021 4:04 pm
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Hyperbole (noun): Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

First time on this site?

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October 11, 2021 4:08 pm
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So as I asked above, if there aren’t going to be 5 centers on the Kings team, who is cut out of Holmes, Len, TT, Jones, and Queta?

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October 11, 2021 4:46 pm
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Why is a guy on a TWC, like Queta, being mentioned as part of the depth chart? And keeping Jones, which makes no difference in terms of roster construction, is exactly pertinent to this discussion why?

None of them need to be cut. That’s the truth of it.

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October 11, 2021 5:14 pm
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because Jones is taking up a spot that a legit wing could be taking. And before someone says Louis King has a chance and is a wing, he too is a TWC.

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October 11, 2021 6:57 pm
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Which wing is Damion Jones taking a roster spot from?

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October 11, 2021 2:32 pm
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The need for a wing is huge.

Hopefully we use the abundance of other positions to get a wing player.

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October 11, 2021 2:30 pm
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You making garbage up again?

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October 11, 2021 3:56 pm

Details would be helpful. Do you take issue with my doubt as to Woodard’s likelihood of being on the bench opening night? Or do you also believe that the roster will have between four and seven centers when the season begins?

It’s okay to directly answer a question from time to time.

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October 11, 2021 4:32 pm
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I said nothing about Woodard.

Did you ask me a question?

You posted an image that incorrectly shows the roster of the team.

Like Adamsite has asked…

Out of Holmes, Len, TT, Jones, and Queta who gets cut?

You can even throw Bagley in the mix as a center because most people think he is actually a center.

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October 11, 2021 4:50 pm

Queta is a TWC guy. The other 4 have roster spots. Simple, that.

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October 11, 2021 4:51 pm
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I agree. But as a two way guy he can play on the Kings.

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October 11, 2021 4:53 pm

If that’s the case the Kings are in a very bad place. It’s best to plan for success. Queta is a development guy at least for the moment. It’s not that complicated.

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October 11, 2021 5:05 pm
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I agree. It is an unbalanced roster.

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October 11, 2021 5:09 pm

I don’t agree with that. What I think this team is missing is top end talent. But as far as positions go, I think they are fine. They have a number of guys who are multi position players like Davis, Barnes, Holmes, Harkless and even Metu.

I don’t see this as being dire. Not even close.

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October 11, 2021 6:30 pm
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I definitely think this team needs top end talent. I don’t think position matters either. The Kings need actual NBA talent. If that is a team purely made of guards then that is what it is. In order to improve get the best talent available. Build the team on talent. Top talent is easily traded for other assets as well.

That was the point of my original post.

Talent trumps position when building a team.

This roster is unbalanced but it is better than it was last year in terms of talent.

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October 11, 2021 2:40 pm

There is a notable lack of the words good and bad in your responses to my question.

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October 11, 2021 2:53 pm

Bagley does not have enough common sense to at least be listed as “rest”?

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October 11, 2021 3:26 pm

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October 11, 2021 4:43 pm
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No knees? No problems.
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October 11, 2021 6:04 pm
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Caption: Marvin demonstrates the quickness of his second hop.

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October 11, 2021 3:28 pm

Would that be believable, though?

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October 11, 2021 4:35 pm

You have a point.

Also, autocorrect for any word adjacent “Bagley” likely reverts to knee, hand, sore…

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