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Let's talk all things Kings, shall we?

Welcome back to Chainmail! We've had a few things occur over the last week or so.

  • The Kings have won two games in a row!
  • The Kings held both of those teams to under 110 points!
  • Tyrese Haliburton currently ranks third on the NBA's rookie ladder, sitting behind James Wiseman (okay) and LaMelo Ball (lol).
  • Nemanja Bjelica has been benched for personal reasons, or because of an injury, or because of the youth movement, or because he hasn't played well, we aren't really sure.
  • Buddy Hield has returned to form, as he's scoring 17.7 points per game, as well as knocking down 45.9% of his 10.6 three-point attempts per game.
  • Glenn Robinson III and Cory Joseph both saw their minutes severely reduced in Wednesday night's victory, as GR3 didn't play in the first half and Joseph played his second-fewest minutes of the season, just 12.
  • Hassan Whiteside returned from injury, pushing Chimezie Metu back out of the rotation.

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andy_sims
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January 28, 2021 9:07 am

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January 28, 2021 9:31 am

If a group of online message board writers can take on Wall Street and turn the tables on them, why can’t we do the same with the Kings?

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January 28, 2021 9:56 am

Where will Bradley Beal end up and how can the Kings possibly benefit in him being traded?

Disclaimer: I fully don’t think the Kings have the assets to get Beal, but I think they could be the beneficiaries as a third or fourth team in any deal.

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January 28, 2021 11:19 am
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Can imagine fox, Beal and Hali on the floor? 🤤.

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January 28, 2021 11:28 am
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A first in 2021, 2023, 2025, and 2027, plus swaps in 2022, 2024, and 2026 would surely get it done, but I’d jump off a bridge.

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January 28, 2021 12:42 pm
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I hope McNair gets involved.

The good ol’ trade machine had me with this:

Wiz: Buddy, Maxey, and Danny Green (Plus picks; seems more valued in trades right now)

Kings: Tobias Harris, Jerome Robinson, Thybulle (Cant forget Thybulle lol)

Philly: Beal, Ish Smith, and Harrison Barnes

I feel like this would be ideal and a good starting point.

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January 28, 2021 9:59 am

What would it take for Haliburton to win ROY?

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January 28, 2021 10:18 am
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He would need to play so well that there isn’t any question of his supremacy.

James Wiseman is looking like a solid bet, Edwards is showing a lot of potential to dominate at times, and half the NBA writers are already in the bag for another overrated Ball child. Maybe if Ty Ballgame starts making some really tricky behind-the-back and through-his-legs passes into the ninth row, the geniuses will start to consider it.

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January 28, 2021 10:23 am
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Wiseman’s advantage is he is on the Warriors. They have a shitload on national games. Sad but true about LaBall. I do think he is better than his brothers. Considering Hali’s draft position and the Kings invisibility (except for Shaqtin’ front office moves) is a real disadvantage for Hali. That said I would take him 100 out of 100 times in that draft for this team regardless of #1 or #12. He is the right guy for this team.

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January 28, 2021 11:28 am
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Eh, Ball is a fine choice and is right there with Hali by objective measures. Haliburton should be above him, but it’s really close.

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January 28, 2021 12:46 pm

Yeah, I think Ball is 1A and Hali is 1B right now. Lots of season left, though.

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January 28, 2021 2:03 pm
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Haliburton has had a rough stretch as of late that’s evened things out.

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January 28, 2021 10:26 am
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If I had to guess, it has more to do with the Kings win total than anything. People around the league already think that Haliburton contributes to winning more than the other rookies at this stage. That means, to me, that the more the Kings win the more people around the league will value his contribution versus the guys with better counting stats.

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January 28, 2021 10:35 am
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Wow. Doesn’t that say a lot about the way personnel has been mismanaged over the years when a rookie that hasn’t played 20 games yet is one of the top players the Kings can’t do without?

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January 28, 2021 11:21 am
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I agree. If he gets the €œcontributes to winning€ label, that’ll do it.

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January 28, 2021 8:53 pm
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play the majority of the games that are scheduled

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January 28, 2021 10:14 am

Has Richaun Holmes’ play this year been good enough to silence those that say he’s not part of the Kings youth movement (geez, he’s only 28) and does he deserve a contract extension going forward?

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January 28, 2021 10:20 am
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First, he’s 27, and I don’t think anyone doesn’t like him as part of the Kings future. The issue with him is his contract. He’s a UFA and there could be issues with how much the Kings can pay him.

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January 28, 2021 10:23 am
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I’d be inclined to try to keep Holmes, with the idea that in the next couple of years, he’d be the first big off of the bench.

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January 28, 2021 10:36 am
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Who beats him out ? Kings must be getting Embid or Jokic ! No 19 year old is going to take his spot based on actual performance !

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January 28, 2021 10:49 am
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Someone much more rounded. As far as Keeping him as always it comes down to the contract vs other options.

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January 28, 2021 11:01 am
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Evan Mobley

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January 28, 2021 11:24 am
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I agree but don’t bigs need a little more time to develop? I think it can be perfect overlap and switch roles when he’s ready. That’s why I love Holmes. You won’t hear him complain about coming off the bench either. I love that dude.

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January 28, 2021 11:36 am
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Then that would determine how much you are willing to pay Holmes.

Let’s think hypothetically. The Kings land the #2 pick and snag Mobley. That’s gonna cost the Kings roughly $22M over the first 3 years starting around $7.5M. Do the then go out just a few weeks later at free agency and give Holmes a hefty pay raise over multiple years. What would Holmes cost on the free market right now? $18-20M per year? Keep in mind Cody Zeller, at a year older than Holmes is making $15M this year.

On top of that you have Bagley at $11M next year and in line for a possible extension. That would be a lot of money tied up in big men.

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January 28, 2021 11:42 am
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Man, having $80MM tied up in Fox, Hield, Barnes, and Bagley isn’t feeling great. Holmes and a high pick could easily push them to the cap. Which is fine! Unless you aren’t a good team. Then not only are you not good, but you’re locked into your not-good-ness for the next 2-3 years.

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January 28, 2021 11:47 am

Exactly, and that is where I’m hoping McNair is playing the long game and moves the contracts of Buddy and Barnes as those two will likely not be on the next good playoff Kings team.

Fortunately McNair has time and gets to see who he drafts before a decision comes to try and retain Holmes. Let’s say he selects a wing and is able to move Barnes, than I’m totally down to throw money at Holmes.

The question no one wants to ask, however, is maybe the wiser move is to strike while the iron is hot and move Holmes now if you feel you can’t retain him. It would absolutely suck to lose him in free agency for nothing next summer.

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January 28, 2021 4:35 pm
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But it’s pretty clear the Bagley-Holmes frontcourt won’t work out. He looks good defensively in comparison to Bagley but he’s really not.

You can blame Walton’s schemes all you want, but he’s still manning the most important position defensively for what is comfortably the league’s worst defense. I can’t ignore that.

I don’t believe they’re ever going to be passable defensively with that as the starting frontcourt.

They’re also bottom 5 in DRB, and considering how both Bagley and Holmes are mediocre defensive rebounders, I think you can see why.

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January 28, 2021 6:44 pm

I love Holmes as much as anyone, but you are 100% correct. Truth be told Holmes is your first big off the bench on a contending team. It’s no knock on Holmes, but just the nature of his game.

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January 29, 2021 5:12 am

But it’s pretty clear the Bagley-Holmes frontcourt won’t work out.

I’m not sure that’s clear at all – the team has played quite well overall when those two have been on the floor. Small sample sizes, but it’s certainly not decided.

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January 28, 2021 10:17 am

With the vaccines slow delivery who here would attend a Kings game, with say 2000 in the arena? If not what metric would you require to attend?

I posted something similar a few days ago and got no response (I did post after 2 new articles were going up so likely not so much traffic).
I see Kings @ Pels lower bowl for <$60 on Monday. I would go, I am bored to death at home and at work, however the airfare with such short notice is too much >$400. This would be the last scheduled game I could see where they are allowing fans. I see that Miami is now allowing fans and using Covid sniffing dogs at entry, I assume more teams will start allowing fans in going forward.

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January 28, 2021 10:28 am
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Give this man the ultimate Kings fan award for being willing to go through an airport a minimum of four times, be on a plane for at least eight hours, and attend a live indoor sporting event in one of the hardest hit cities in the country in the middle of a deadly viral pandemic to see a Luke Walton Kings team.

I’m not trying to be facetious, I used to make ridiculous trips like this several times a year before the pandemic.

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January 28, 2021 10:44 am

LOL Lets not forget the question at the top, What would you require to see the Kings live again?

It’s not really about the Kings fandom thing it is straight boredom. I looked at seeing the Nets but Alas those games are $400 and up.
My Daughter is in KC and they have had little restriction and the numbers are similar to CA. I have been in and out of the Airports a dozen times during the Pandemic, they are pretty empty. I also avoided going early on to Dads funeral in PA., as too many old folks, and who wants to be responsible for killing their Aunties.

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January 28, 2021 10:47 am
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Fair enough, we all have our own levels of risk we’re comfortable with. I’m sorry to hear about your dad, I also lost a relative last year and no one was able to see them.

Personally, I would not be comfortable seeing the Kings or any sports team live until I’ve personally been vaccinated and the outbreak is under control wherever the team is playing.

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January 28, 2021 2:06 pm

SMF you are hereby nominated for Post of the Year.

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January 28, 2021 2:12 pm
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I’ll take it, even if the notification email made me hope it was for the cologne joke.

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January 28, 2021 11:32 am
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You’re crazy! 😝 I won’t even buy league pass do watch a Kings game.

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January 28, 2021 6:32 pm
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LOL Man someone answer the question about returning to G1C?

Just know last season 1/2 season 2 tix… $135each lower bowl. Kids are out of the house and I generally went with my adult daughters. Any trip would be with one of them for the experience. That would include the game, the city, and the food. One thing the old man left me with was you just never know, drink it up while you can. I enjoy being at the game, TV meh… Although I am watching Blazers Rocks as I write.

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January 29, 2021 5:15 am
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I’m fairly risk-averse on COVID. So I probably won’t be attending any Kings games this season, even if I get the vaccine.

But if I were to go, I think I’d try to wait until late in the season. There’s still a great deal of unknown, with the new variants of the disease.

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January 29, 2021 6:48 am
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I should add – my decision would certainly be influenced by the known science at the time. There’s still a great deal to be learned on the ability for even vaccinated people to spread the disease.

So, best case, I’d be vaccinated and masked up. More likely, I’ll be waiting until next season to attend.

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January 29, 2021 5:15 am
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If I still lived in Sac, I would go if the ticket was free for me. 2,000 people in a place that large? Meh, no big deal to me. I am also the attendee that usually just gets my food and sits in my seat for the entire game, unless I need a restroom run.

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January 28, 2021 10:18 am

Will, how did you survive the night of the storm when your power went out? 😛

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January 28, 2021 10:22 am
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He gutted Greg and crawled inside him for warmth. The smell was unbelievable.

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January 28, 2021 10:23 am
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Like yoghurt pie?

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January 28, 2021 10:24 am
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Unbelievably good or bad?

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January 28, 2021 10:26 am
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Eau de humanity.

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January 28, 2021 10:31 am

This team is good enough to win when they play at about an average level on Defense ! Two in a row and hope to see this more consistently instead of 25% of the time !

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January 29, 2021 9:33 am
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I mean who knows where we could go with an average defense, we already have a potential top 10 offense

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January 28, 2021 10:33 am

Do the Kings actually have a good starting (most used) line up?

When compared to other teams (+/- Pts per 100 poss), they stack up pretty well. Better than many forecasted playoff teams (Denver, Portland, Bucks, Suns).

So what do you see as the biggest reason for not having a similar record to some of these teams? Poor coach/rotations, poor bench talent or is this a mirage?

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January 28, 2021 1:40 pm
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I think the biggest thing is that the Kings don’t have lineup versatility. The starting 5, plus the closing 5 (swap Haliburton for Bagley) both have a net rating >10 in 281 minutes combined. The problem is that represents 34% of the total minutes played. In an alternate universe, if they had signed David Nwaba pre-bubble/McNair, completed the S&T for DiVincenzo, and done a S&T for Christian Wood, then this team would probably be above .500 assuming the overall roster health remains equal in this alternate universe.

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January 28, 2021 3:57 pm
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I would tend to agree and lean that way. Getting DiVincenzo to take up the Joseph/”Buddy sucks tonight” minutes would have been fantastic.

I guess I tend to wonder that while we act on this board like this team sucks (which isn’t not true statistically speaking), I don’t know how far away they are from being competitive with right supporting cast and coach.

Now contender status…that’s a long ways off

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January 28, 2021 10:47 am

Which trade would you rather pursue?

Buddy for Fournier and Bamba

or

Buddy for Cody Zeller and Malik Monk

(I considered adding Devonte Graham but I think that would need us to add something)

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January 28, 2021 11:13 am
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I really do not like Zeller and Monk, neither guy moves any needle and will get Luke PT. Bamba is a better option of the given, but I would keep Buddy before either of these deals. I would hope to get Buddy in as part of the Beal trade, or the Warriors and Pels. Late 1st and a young flyer, minimal salary back.

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January 28, 2021 12:47 pm
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My thought process was to get off Buddy’s contract and push Haliburton into the starter spot. A flyer on Monk and maybe a pick could make that trade worthwhile.

I have no clue on what to expect from Bamba.

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January 28, 2021 11:30 am
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Can I say neither?

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January 28, 2021 11:14 am

what other team fansite would be bold enough to misspell the nickname of its own team on its own nickname product line?

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January 28, 2021 12:39 pm
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That mistake is so Kangz*

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January 28, 2021 6:36 pm
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Kangs is just dollar store Kangz!

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January 28, 2021 11:19 am

I posted this in the postgame threat but wanted get hear from others as well:

Is it just me or does Bagley look a bit less athletic than he did during his rookie year? It feels like there’s a lot of times he could go up for a dunk where he doesn’t get enough lift. And he misses a lot of easy shots in traffic. The only time I see him really jump is for uncontested rebounds.

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January 28, 2021 11:49 am
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He hasn’t looked less athletic in my opinion. I think he’s just been more patient rather than a balls to the wall, semi-reckless style that kept getting him injured in his first 2 years.

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January 28, 2021 11:19 am

Does anyone else miss Grant? The Jones/Christie or Draper/Christie isn’t getting it. I missed the way Grant called the game and how he stayed focused on the action as opposed to missing plays and substitutions, inside jokes, and a lot of silliness, especially from Christie.

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January 28, 2021 11:32 am
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No. But keep in mind, I think announcers actually worth not muting are few and far between. And I especially dislike the excitable homers like Grant. Add in jerky radio personality and general shitty-person-ness and no, I don’t miss Grant.

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January 28, 2021 11:50 am
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I never liked Grant that much, but he was a better than average play-by-play guy. When I had League Pass, I listened to them all.

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January 28, 2021 11:50 am
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I don’t miss Grant one bit. Was never really a fan. I actually enjoy the Draper/Christie matchup best. Jones sounds like he’s doing an ESPN cast and not a hometown cast.

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January 28, 2021 12:08 pm
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But what if it turns out that I don’t like that, and by the transitive property, also means that I don’t like NBA basketball?

This here is my question.

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January 28, 2021 12:41 pm
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Does anyone else miss Grant?

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January 28, 2021 7:06 pm
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No…nooooooooooo

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January 28, 2021 12:53 pm
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Oh, god no. Koz was pretty good last night, Doug’s still terrible though.

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January 28, 2021 1:10 pm
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Koz almost made Doug tolerable !

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January 28, 2021 6:37 pm
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I agree. And Christie is an awful commentator, he has great analysis of details but I don’t like that makes up words all-the time, gets uber-excited over normal plays, fake laughs at nothing, doesn’t remember Kosta, and he’s just annoying overall. I would like to hear a Jones-Koz called game.

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January 28, 2021 1:17 pm
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The Draper/Christie match is unwatchable ! Totally go for mute and Radio G-Man !

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January 28, 2021 2:04 pm
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fuck grant

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January 28, 2021 3:43 pm
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Agreed. Don’t want him back. There is no way that I am going to Foster Grant.
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January 28, 2021 2:09 pm
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I gave up and listen to radio now with the tv muted, it’s a 20 second delay and easy to sync. Draper and Jones are fine.

Both of your problem scenarios have one thing in common.

The Jones/Christie or Draper/Christie isn’t getting it

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January 28, 2021 3:32 pm
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No.

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January 28, 2021 3:39 pm
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Grant who?

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January 28, 2021 4:26 pm
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January 28, 2021 4:58 pm
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January 28, 2021 5:09 pm
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Koz, Grant > Jones, Draper, DC

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January 28, 2021 5:32 pm
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Well of course you will vouch for yourself, Grant.

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January 28, 2021 10:24 pm
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Gotta be honest I can’t stand Koz. I like Jones though. I don’t think Draper is very good either.

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January 29, 2021 5:23 am
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I have seen to broadcasts this year, one with Jones/Christie and the Orlando game with Koz/Christie. Koz and Christie seemed to just be talking while the game was going on and I did not feel immersed in the action, and it seemed like they were more interested in their discussions than the game. Jones does not seem to have the connection with the team and fans, which makes it seem fake/impersonal. I usually mute the games for a reason.

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January 28, 2021 11:43 am

What is Tyrese Haliburton’s ceiling? I have been puzzling over this for awhile and everybody keeps saying “super role player” but why isn’t it higher than that if he’s going to continue to be this efficient on the offensive end?

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January 28, 2021 10:26 pm
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This makes sense but Brogdon was really old when he came out so I wonder if Haliburton has a higher ceiling.

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January 28, 2021 6:39 pm

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January 28, 2021 7:10 pm

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January 28, 2021 7:16 pm
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…hybrid with Shaun Livingston.

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January 28, 2021 7:45 pm
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Already a much better defender than Martin was. Better passer and higher BBIQ as well.

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January 28, 2021 9:53 pm

A smaller Paul Pierce.

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January 28, 2021 9:59 pm
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A more talented Michael Jordan.

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January 28, 2021 10:25 pm
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You just blew my mind.

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January 29, 2021 5:31 pm
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Small Pierce

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January 30, 2021 4:31 am
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You are amazeballs.

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January 29, 2021 7:49 am

His ceiling? It’s that flat part at the top of the room, usually with some kind of light built in.

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