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Sacramento Kings are 9th place in lotto odds after coin flip

The Kings have a 4.5% chance at the number one overall pick.

The NBA held its tiebreaker coin flips on Tuesday to finalize the lottery order. The Sacramento Kings were in a three-way tie with the Chicago Bulls and New Orleans Pelicans. After the tiebreaker, the Kings will have the 9th best lottery odds.

With the 9th best lottery odds, the Kings have a 4.5% at the number one overall pick, and a 20.3% chance at the top 4. The Kings have a 50.72% chance at picking 9th, and 25.9% chance of picking 10th.

The Draft Lottery will be held on June 22nd and the Draft will be July 29th.

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RikSmits
May 25, 2021 11:45 am

Typical.

We only move into 9th place AFTER the play-in…

02kingsfan
May 25, 2021 4:59 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

At least we were in the “play in tournament” for the lottery odd to get higher pick! I am just waiting for McNair to say the other GMs came up to tell him he manages hard to get us to the lottery

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 11:49 am

Pretty crazy that they are holding the draft lottery on July 29th, which is after the actual draft. 😉

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Klam
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Nostradumbass 19
May 25, 2021 11:52 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Greg ruined the draft lottery.

LaBradfordsCreditCard
May 26, 2021 9:31 pm
Reply to  Klam

He thought it was a marriage.

Carl
May 25, 2021 1:19 pm
Reply to  Greg

Avatar checks out

Klam
Nostradumbass 18
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Nostradumbass 18
Nostradumbass 19
May 25, 2021 11:50 am

I thought the Draft itself was July 29, not the lottery?

The Draft Lottery will be held on July 29th.

Jerzig
May 25, 2021 11:53 am

Good thing we really started to gel and won all of those late-season games with all those players who won’t be on the team next year. When do they hang up the “Almost Finished 10th Out of 15 in the West 2021” banner?

MyNeighborTurturro
May 25, 2021 12:05 pm
Reply to  Jerzig

It’s wedged right between the “Hey, 2020 Was Rough On Everyone” and “15 Years Of Futility: Sacramento Strong” banners.

Widowwolf
May 26, 2021 5:58 am
Reply to  Jerzig

Heres a banner for the Kangz

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RobHessing
May 25, 2021 11:57 am

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Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 11:58 am

So the Kings will likely pick 9th this year, but they picked 12th last year with an identical record. Does that mean more teams got better, once again, while the Kings wallow in purgatory, or did the Kings actually get worse?

deepshot22
May 25, 2021 12:10 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I have the answer…

C. Both.

andy_sims
May 25, 2021 12:06 pm

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TheGrantNapear
May 25, 2021 12:13 pm

It’s not a Kangz draft if we’re not slotted between 7 and 10.

Carl
May 25, 2021 1:20 pm
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

Barring Monte’s unicorn trade, it will be the same next year.

TheGrantNapear
May 25, 2021 5:10 pm
Reply to  Carl

Groundhog’s Day is the life of a King’s fan.

markdog333
May 26, 2021 7:16 am
Reply to  Carl

Does the unicorn trade take us to the top of the lottery or into the playoffs?

SMF-PDXConnection
May 26, 2021 9:34 am
Reply to  Carl

I can’t wait to see how Porzingis and Otto Porter Jr enjoy finishing 12th in the West.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 9:45 am

As a tangent, assuming he’s going to get something like the MLE or less (potentially much less), I’d consider taking a gamble on OPJ.

SMF-PDXConnection
May 26, 2021 9:59 am

As soon as I saw something this morning saying he’s unlikely to stay in Orlando, my first thought was, Kings are gonna try and give him too much money, aren’t they?

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 10:53 am

We’ll see. I mean, he’s only played 42 games the past 2 seasons combined and wasn’t exactly a picture of health before that. I could see him ending up taking a cheap, short deal to try to bounce back and earn another decent contract.

RAP87
May 26, 2021 11:16 am

If the Kings are targeting Porter Jr.it better be MPJ and not OPJ..

If Mcnair is waiting for his Harden like trade, MPJ fits the bill. If the nuggets aren’t willing to pay MPJ the max, the Kings should see if they could pry him away from Denver by offering our 2021 FRP and players not named Fox and Hali

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 12:25 pm
Reply to  RAP87

Why would the Nuggets trade MPJ?

RAP87
May 26, 2021 12:49 pm

I’m not saying they would. I just want the Kings to explore the possibility of a trade especially if the Nuggets aren’t willing to pay MPJ the max. Of course they don’t have to extend him right now since MPJ has 1 more year left on his rookie deal. All I’m saying IF they don’t want (the nuggets) to pay MPJ the max then they might entertain the possibility of a trade this off season.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 12:58 pm
Reply to  RAP87

I mean, sure. Kick the tires on anything and everything, but I have a really hard time seeing a world where the Nuggets aren’t thrilled to have MPJ on his contract for another year and the ability to hold onto him for the foreseeable future with whatever deal he gets. I mean, is there a team in the NBA that wouldn’t jump at the chance to sign him to a max deal if they could?

Carl
May 26, 2021 2:07 pm

Yeah, someone (BHE or Adamsite?) pointed out that you have to pay Porter little enough that if you get nothing out of him, it’s a worthwhile risk. I think the Kings should go for it if the price is right. Porter is better than Barnes if he’s healthy. Very big if at this point.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 3:27 pm
Reply to  Carl

Yeah, we were talking about both OPJ and Justise Winslow in that way.

9sac8
May 27, 2021 9:14 am
Reply to  Carl

On what planet? Barnes is hitting his prime right now. I guarantee more improvement the upcoming season. OPJ is beyond his. Not due to age, but due to ceiling. Plus Barnes would work OJP in the post. Mouse in the house.

Dub_TC
May 25, 2021 12:27 pm

The Kings are moving up in this draft. BRING IT DRAFT GODS.

RAP87
May 25, 2021 12:37 pm

Welp. Lets hope the Kings get lucky and jump into the top 3. If not, I’m fine picking at 9th. Lots of talent on this draft class.. Hope Monte and the FO is doing their due diligence!

nonstripedzebra
May 25, 2021 12:40 pm

As is the case the lottery could fall in our fortune, or the player that is among the classes best ending up picked at say 9. But all those things are less likely in the back end of the lottery than the front. Of course the Kings can even mess that up when the pick is obvious as demonstrated two drafts ago. Yet again thats harder to do at 2 than 9.

The Kings lack of maxmizing being a bad team is possibly its most destructive habit over the past decade. One by all the playoff rhetoric they are repeating. It makes this lack of lottery optimism famliar to say the least. Fingers crossed for the unexpected yet again.

andy_sims
May 25, 2021 12:57 pm

The Kings lack of maxmizing being a bad team is possibly its most destructive habit over the past decade.

I’m not sure that there’s ever been a better single-sentence summation of the Kings organization on this site, or the other one.

BestHyperboleEver
May 25, 2021 1:04 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

A general lack of self-awareness. The Kings are me challenging Eliud Kipchoge to a marathon instead of a sumo match.

Marty
May 25, 2021 1:49 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

This place is so damn negative. Ham says they made strides.

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Otis
May 25, 2021 1:54 pm
Reply to  Marty

Sure, Mr. Ham…NetRating:

2018-2019: -1.2 (18th)
2019-2020: -1.9 (21st)
2020-2021: -3.8 (24th)

Things appear to be going swimmingly.

Carl
May 25, 2021 2:22 pm
Reply to  Otis

Edit – nevermind. Marty beat me to it.

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RobHessing
May 25, 2021 2:42 pm
Reply to  Otis

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ForKingsandCountry
May 25, 2021 5:01 pm
Reply to  Otis

To be fair, the headline does not state which way the Kings are striding.

Otis
May 26, 2021 8:41 am

But it did!:

“James Ham”

ForKingsandCountry
May 27, 2021 7:27 am
Reply to  Otis

Ha! Ok fair point.

RikSmits
May 25, 2021 10:00 pm
Reply to  Marty

Good photoshop, but with Vivek, you need the shaka sign. It is known.

BigDrewbot
May 25, 2021 4:52 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

15 years of futility – seems like the Kings have totally maximized being a bad team. it’s hard to be worse…

TheKingsGuard
May 25, 2021 5:32 pm
Reply to  BigDrewbot

Exactly…maximized being bad in the worst way possible.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 3:55 pm

All well said. It really is amazing to think that each and every other 29 teams in the league gone from competitive to non competitive and back to being competitive all while the Kings have their thumbs up their asses. EVERY TEAM has cycled through rebuilds while the Kings pray to the lottery gods.

Putthegundown
May 25, 2021 4:33 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

But we are the only ones who got pink’s with Vivek so that says it all right there.

Bbmuteman
May 25, 2021 12:54 pm

Kings better have 12 players on their draft board in case the unthinkable happens and they drop all the way.

TheGrantNapear
May 25, 2021 5:12 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Well we did hit the jackpot at 12 last year.

KingOfTheMonsters
May 26, 2021 10:16 am
Reply to  TheGrantNapear

And they blew it when they got the No. 2 pick.
Maybe we should be rooting for them to fall back.

Gregoryl
May 25, 2021 1:04 pm

Come on Tankathon, spin baby, spin for daddy!! Nope…still 9th…

rockbottom
May 25, 2021 1:15 pm

Great draft last season and won same number of Games ! Five teams that had worse records than the Kings got zero help from the draft and improved greatly ! Dubs, Wiz, Knicks, Suns and Hawks ! It was trades, FAgency and coaching changes ! Another 19 year old another lottery next season if that is all !

May 25, 2021 1:29 pm

Assuming this pick is not top four, I’m finally ready to trade for a veteran. It took 15 years of no playoffs, but let’s do it.

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Carl
May 25, 2021 2:42 pm

I’ll make a prediction here. The Kings are going to let Holmes walk and trade Bagley and Buddy to OKC for Al Horford, with one of OKC’s young players coming back in the deal.

Then they’ll try to deal the 2021 and/or 2023 first with other players (Barnes) for a (minor?) star player. (I don’t know who).

It’s all in for the playoffs next season, the future be damned.

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Carl
May 25, 2021 2:46 pm
Reply to  Carl

Not sure how the math would work or whether you can even do it, but a sign and trade for Holmes and Bagley to OKC for Horford plus a young player or pick would be exactly the type of move I would expect this front office to make.

WizsSox
May 25, 2021 2:51 pm
Reply to  Carl

Curious, so generally what might the logic be for OKC wanting to do this? I don’t see OKC wanting to do this type of deal. Mainly I mean taking on the extra 1-2 years (Horford partial guarantee) of big salary for Buddy…or even adding a larger multi year on Holmes.

Would Horford be more attractive for them to use as an expiring (or near) at this deadline or the following one? I’m kind of guessing they don’t really want to be good again next year and then try to pounce as Horford contract expires and this years draft pick has some seasoning…go Star hunting with a cleaner cap at that point. Definitely be interesting to see what path they take the next 1-2 years.

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Carl
May 25, 2021 3:18 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Remember that OKC sat a healthy Horford for a third of the season. They get to unload a declining Horford, who is still owed ~$42 million. It’s not necessarily an easy deal to move.

Hield is owed about $8 million more than Horford the season after next, and then his final year is at $18 million guaranteed.

OKC gets a former #2 pick who has shown some offensive promise and is on their timeline, along with a useful, if flawed shooter, for an old guy they sat for a third of the season and clearly don’t want.

Effectively, they get Bagley to dump Horford’s bad salary and accept Hield’s less bad, but longer salary.

I don’t think there’s much chance Buddy Hield makes that team better enough to matter next year.

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WizsSox
May 25, 2021 4:40 pm
Reply to  Carl

I mean if they sit SGA the second half of the season again then yea. If he plays 🤷‍♂️

BestHyperboleEver
May 25, 2021 3:24 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

The thing is, with their current pick and cap situation, there’s no reason for them to wait. Even with Horford and picking up all options, they’re $60MM under the cap for next season. Meanwhile, Horford is a quality makeweight if they want to deal for a star already on a max-ish deal. Now, I’m not saying they’re going to be jumping at that Kings deal, just that I don’t see any reason they would need or want to wait out Horford’s deal.

WizsSox
May 25, 2021 4:33 pm

Fair, if they use Horfords deal in the star trade to balance salary. Then yeah they could move sooner. Just don’t see why they would want 35 million of Buddy and Holmes on the books for next few years.

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Carl
May 25, 2021 5:17 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Buddy and Bagley or Bagley and Holmes. Not Buddy and Holmes.

Bbmuteman
May 25, 2021 4:22 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Buddy can recoup his value playing for a young team not looking to compete. They flip buddy to a contender for another future first.

WizsSox
May 25, 2021 4:37 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Ehhh. Would feel like he would have to take a real jump. Don’t think just getting more shots is going to trick GMs into the idea he is improved.

If the thunder can do what you say and get that for Buddy with slightly improved play, then it feels like Monte should be able to get rid of Buddy now for little or nothing in return…which I don’t think we know for sure he can do currently if Buddy is a net negative asset. Which we don’t know

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Bbmuteman
May 26, 2021 12:32 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

A change of scenery can do wonders for some players. SA couldnt wait to get rid of Bryn Forbes, and now he’s killing it for the bucks. Same with the wolves and wiggins. He’s played great for the warriors, and they got an extra first for him. Kings should be doing what other teams do with us, look for players with depressed value due to mismanagement or injury.

BasketballHella
May 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

On any other team that works. We are the hub of mismanagement. It’s the whole two wrongs don’t make a right. Last thing I want is a guy who has been mismanaged and is coming here to iron out the kinks.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 4:00 pm
Reply to  Carl

I’ve got one simpler than that. Kings send Buddy, Bagley and the #9 for Myles Turner and Jeremy Lamb.

BestHyperboleEver
May 25, 2021 5:13 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Sorry, I’ve already traded Barnes for Turner.

ForKingsandCountry
May 25, 2021 5:13 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Is Myles Turner actually getting us anywhere? I get that he’s a good defensive player and he’d make us a better but he seems to be hurt a fair amount. Are we a playoff team with Fox, Turner, Barnes, Haliburton and Delon Wright? There’s still almost no decent wing depth. Sounds like that’s maybe a play-in team in the west but more likely another 12th place finish and another pick in the 8-12 range.

Carl
May 25, 2021 5:27 pm

I fully believe they’ll mortgage the entire team’s future to hit the #8 seed once.

RikSmits
May 25, 2021 10:17 pm
Reply to  Carl

I don’t fully believe it but I think it is one of the likelier scenario’s.

AmateurNerd
May 26, 2021 9:12 am
Reply to  Carl

Counterpoint: What future?

SMF-PDXConnection
May 26, 2021 9:39 am
Reply to  Carl

You mean the 10th seed, because we all know they’ll count making a play-in game as “making it.” I can see the forced posts from the social media team already.

BasketballHella
May 26, 2021 8:58 pm
Reply to  Carl

I concur but they will still miss. It is the way. 🤙🏼

ForKingsandCountry
May 27, 2021 7:29 am
Reply to  Carl

Yeah after what we saw this year I believe you’re right. It’s the Minnesota model of team building. Hit that 8th seed once then begin the cycle all over again.

BestHyperboleEver
May 25, 2021 5:41 pm

Not on his own, no. He certainly makes the Kings better (when on the court), but this team isn’t one non-superstar move away from being a competitor. But Turner and a savvy move for a high-level wing defender that isn’t a total loss on the other end? Then I think you’re talking about some movement. Ultimately, I think this team needs at least an average-starter-or-better level big and wing to really start expecting to compete for a playoff spot.

SMF-PDXConnection
May 26, 2021 10:00 am

I truly don’t think it matters what the roster is as long as the coaching is this bad.

Carl
May 25, 2021 5:24 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

I could buy that they would do the Turner deal, but does #9 plus Barnes get Turner anyway? If yes, you still have Bagley, Buddy and the 2023 pick (which I think is in play to win 45 games next season) to deal.

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BestHyperboleEver
May 25, 2021 5:41 pm
Reply to  Carl

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Turner could be had for less than that.

Kingsguru21
May 25, 2021 7:05 pm
Reply to  Carl

I’ll tell you now, Carl, I’m not doing that deal.

I will also say I will lose all faith in Monte McNair’s ability to judge asset’s if he does that deal.

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Carl
May 26, 2021 3:12 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I think McNair is desperate to make a deal(s) that will get this team to the #8. I think the chance of the Kings actually using that draft pick is extremely low. Really it depends on McNair stirking out or continuing to stubbornly overvalue Kings players. And I’m less than sold on Barnes. Sell high.

BasketballHella
May 26, 2021 9:01 pm
Reply to  Carl

Conversely I’m not buying that dismissive little chap is still the one overvaluing. Hence the going for it this year and buddy is steph just wait talk.

I think McNair had that look in his Luke Walton presser of a man that has realized the hell he stepped into.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 9:43 pm
Reply to  Carl

As of today, I’d much rather have Barnes alone than Buddy and Bagley combined.

Gregoryl
May 26, 2021 9:30 am
Reply to  Adamsite

A little cap relief, swap Buddy’s 3 years for Turner’s 2 years, get rid of 2 immature guys…I’m in on this deal.

TheBaker
May 25, 2021 5:41 pm
Reply to  Carl

I’m all for a shake-up. This seems as plausible as any other scenario.
it would just be sooo Kangz to make moves and get a star; and the team actually be worse next year than they are this year.

KingOfTheMonsters
May 26, 2021 10:17 am

Cory Joseph is a veteran.

Yakshi
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Nostradumbass 21
May 25, 2021 3:22 pm

Ninth?

It’s party time!

AnybodyButBagley
May 25, 2021 4:12 pm

Glad we went all in for the last month.

Gregoryl
May 26, 2021 9:31 am

It was a really smart decision by all involved.

TheGrantNapear
May 25, 2021 5:17 pm

If the pick doesn’t jump into the top four, flip it and Buddy in a trade for a starting vet. I could see Indy making a move, whether that’s Sabonis or Turner who knows. A quality big to pair with Fox and Haliburton would go a long ways.

TheBaker
May 25, 2021 5:37 pm

Too many scenarios…. Not many end with the Kings being a good team.
They seem to be the definition of “They looked better on paper”.

TerzoM
May 25, 2021 5:45 pm

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RikSmits
May 26, 2021 4:30 am
Reply to  TerzoM

I’d like to have this image at the bottom as a T-shirt:

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HongKongKingsFan
May 26, 2021 8:42 am
Reply to  RikSmits

This is just absolutely right…..

I am not talking about the 2018 draft…….and don’t want to waste more time to discuss it again..

what I agree with the article is we are fxxKINGStupid that we don’t fire the coach…we drafted well, but would be continue to sucks as we retain Walton…

we are going nowhere AGAIN…….and the media would still made laugh on us…..

Gregoryl
May 26, 2021 9:32 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Peaches, in Luka’s 2nd year: “Yeah, if Luka is so great, why hasn’t his team made the playoffs?!”
Also Peaches,: “Vlade is a uniter, he will unite this team and do great things!”
Moron.

Otis
May 26, 2021 9:34 am
Reply to  Gregoryl

For a guy that watched as much basketball as Napear, I never got the sense he really knew the game.

Gregoryl
May 26, 2021 10:34 am
Reply to  Otis

Shills gotta shill…

Otis
May 26, 2021 11:05 am
Reply to  Gregoryl

Yeah, I don’t even necessarily mean his discourse regarding the Kings. Back in the day, when I actually listened to his show, I never found his point of view compelling on any sport, and specifically the NBA.

AmateurNerd
May 26, 2021 10:49 am
Reply to  Otis

The only thing Grant really knew, or cared about, was Grant. It was clear that he valued his connections and relationships above all else… until they left Sacramento and/or no longer had any influence on his own professional standing. Then he would slime and smear them as if he hadn’t spent the last several years pretending to respect them or be their friend. I’ll never forget how he totally destroyed Pete D on his radio show like a year after the man left, calling him a jerk and an idiot and a bad person, etc etc., after never once saying/implying anything of the sort when Pete D was here. I mean, Pete D probably deserved it, but it showed how two-faced Grant really was/is.

LaBradfordsCreditCard
May 26, 2021 9:38 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

The Laremy Tunsil gas mask bong photo was the greatest thing I had ever seen until that “FucKINGStupid” image … I have to have that on a t-shirt.

ForKingsandCountry
May 27, 2021 11:32 am
Reply to  RikSmits

I still think it’s even crazier because so many people here knew this was going to happen at the time. I said on the draft night thread at the old site it would be a Bowie over Jordan level disaster and here we are.

Rosevillain
May 25, 2021 6:17 pm

Can’t wait to see Brad Stevens coaching the Pacers next year, since Monte declared Luke the savior on day one.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 9:46 pm
Reply to  Rosevillain

If you are the owner of the Celtics, what do you allow to happen first: Ainge fires Stevens or you fire Ainge?

Bbmuteman
May 26, 2021 12:40 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

Wyc loves ainge, from what I’ve read on celticsblog. Stevens probably goes first if it’s between the two of them.

Otis
May 26, 2021 12:44 pm
Reply to  Bbmuteman

Good thing we gave our HC a vote of confidence.

Bbmuteman
May 26, 2021 12:56 pm
Reply to  Otis

I’d have liked it better if the opposite was done and monte said no one is safe, and you’d better play and coach like your jobs depend on it, because it does. Then, he fires Walton and he starts the search for a coach that can impart what he wants.

andy_sims
May 26, 2021 9:06 am
Reply to  Rosevillain

Day one of what?

Rosevillain
May 27, 2021 9:54 am
Reply to  andy_sims

The offseason. You know, like when he said it in a press conference last week.

Gregoryl
May 26, 2021 9:33 am
Reply to  Rosevillain

In fairness, Vlade declared Luke the savior and Monte was forced to keep him. I mean, no, it was 100% his decision b/c Vivek never meddles!

Rosevillain
May 27, 2021 11:28 am
Reply to  Gregoryl

Once he personally did a presser and said Luke is my choice and the guy to lead us to the postseason, it’s all on him. There’s ways to avoid saying things like that if it’s a Vivek choice. Sorry.

SelecaoKOJ
May 25, 2021 7:23 pm

Do a sign and trade with the Raptors. We get Gary Trent Jr. I don’t know who The Raptors will want. Maybe Bagley and the pick. I see the Celtics possibly making a move, once they get swept. Jaylen Brown, Maybe. Celtics will probably want a minimuum of Hali, Bagley and the Pick. Probably have to throw in Hield/ Barnes to make salaries work.

I also Like picking up Bobby Portis from the Bucks. Total nasty good defender. He’s unrestricted.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
May 25, 2021 9:52 pm
Reply to  SelecaoKOJ

I’m gonna get shit for this, but Jaylen Brown is better and smarter than any current Kings AND is locked up on a very fair deal. If Ainge said Hali, Bagley and the Pick…I think I would say yes.

To take it further, I think I’d prefer to send them Fox over Hali in that deal, but the Celtics would say no.

andy_sims
May 26, 2021 9:38 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Jaylen Brown is likely smarter than 97% of human beings on the planet, so it’s not a particularly bold insult when you say no one playing for Sacramento is as smart.

I’d wager he’s among the ten brightest guys in the league, and might be in the top three. He’s an amazing young man.

ForKingsandCountry
May 27, 2021 11:37 am
Reply to  Adamsite

You think the Celtics would say no to Fox/Bagley/9th pick for Brown? I’m quite confident they’d say yes to that deal. I get that fans tend to overvalue the players on their team but that’s overkill in the other direction.

RikSmits
May 25, 2021 10:26 pm

OT: it’s so great and frustrating to see Luka do his thing.

For those who believe he would not have been that good if he had come to Sacramento; his team may not be as good, but his talent and BBIQ would not allow him to fall below All Star level.

And behind his smiles, you have a killer and a true winner. This series is not over yet, because the Clippers are no chumps, but I don’t see them win 4 games against this Dallas squad.

RikSmits
May 26, 2021 7:38 am
Reply to  Greg

People were willing to put up with DMC’s antics, which were worse, IMO.
I’m confident to say that if Luka was a King almost no-one here would make a big issue out of it. More than that, I believe that plenty would defend him for saying he gets too few whistles and has a right to complain.

LBJ whines too and he’s a flopper as well.

Pat Beverly acts with every foul whistled against him as if he has never made a foul in his life. I was surprised he didn’t get a technical because he kept shouting at the officials.

This is mainly an officiating issue, IMO.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 8:20 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Heck, Fox whines A TON.

Otis
May 26, 2021 8:44 am

Nobody whines more than our announcers, tbh.

But Doncic does seem to be on a different level, and agree with Greg – that would annoy me to a certain point. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s on a career arc to be a top-5 alltime player.

andy_sims
May 26, 2021 9:10 am
Reply to  Otis

Top 5 all-time? Nah.

Could be a hall-of-famer, though, which is nothing to sneeze at, particularly in a pandemic.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 9:24 am
Reply to  andy_sims

Top 5 is obviously pretty lofty. His lack of elite defense probably preclude him from ever breaking into that top 5 company unless he wins a ton of rings/MVPs. Obviously, a ton of things have to go right beyond simply having the talent for any player to break into the top 50, much less the top 5. That said, Doncic’s first 3 seasons are one hell of a start.

Otis
May 26, 2021 9:31 am

I’m not sure you need elite defense to be a top-5 all time player, since Magic is clearly one of those guys.

But agree with the rest, I’m only speaking to how his first three seasons match up historically.

Otis
May 26, 2021 9:31 am
Reply to  Otis

P.S. Thanks again, Vlade.

Dub_TC
May 26, 2021 9:46 am
Reply to  Otis

but his dad!!!

andy_sims
May 26, 2021 9:53 am

Luke Walton has rings.

The ringzzz conversation in all sports is exhausting. You get guys like Dan Marino and Barkley, who are easily among the greatest to over play, but somehow they have to be segregated to a lower level because they never got a title.

There are just too many variables over the course of a season for even most all-time-greats to drag their teammates to a championship. I mean, the Miami Dolphins, who in the seventies had one of the best running games in the NFL all of a sudden go fifteen years without being able to put an above-average runner in the backfield with Marino?

Then you factor in injuries to teammates, and to these players, and getting to the top can become all but impossible.

Lebron was an obvious all-time great before winning a title, and is the rare example of a player being able to drag a middling roster across the finish line. With the roster in Dallas, as great as he’s becoming, I don’t think Doncic can push the Mavericks to a championship. It’s to his credit that they’ve done as well as they have, but he’s going to need someone better than Porzingis beside him in order to get that ring.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 10:11 am
Reply to  andy_sims

I totally agree. That said, whether or not they should, we know that RINGZZZ do carry a lot of weight in historic rankings.

KingOfTheMonsters
May 26, 2021 10:27 am
Reply to  andy_sims

Samaki Walker has a ring.

BestHyperboleEver
May 26, 2021 10:31 am

Robert Horry is tied for 4th most rings in history and has more than any other non-60s-Celtics player ever.

AmateurNerd
May 26, 2021 10:50 am

#theshotwaslate

Otis
May 26, 2021 9:30 am
Reply to  andy_sims

I wouldn’t expect him to end up top-5. Just saying that his career arc to this point is top-5 for a guy his age with his experience – especially so considering the roster around him.

Magic, LeBron, MJ…this start is up in that territory, IMO.

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