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Report: The Kings aren’t Jaden Ivey’s ‘preferred destination’ and Vivek wants Keegan Murray

ESPN's latest 2022 NBA Mock Draft just dropped with some juicy notes about the Kings.
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We’re roughly a week away from the 2022 NBA Draft, and all your favorite internet mock drafters are updating their boards with picks, notes, and rumors to squeeze every last click out of draft season.

One of the most prominent mock drafters is ESPN’s Jonathan Givony who published a big update to his mock on Wednesday morning. Givony selected Jaden Ivey for the Kings with the 4th pick in the draft, but his notes about where the Kings are in their process is more interesting:

The Kings aren’t Ivey’s preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past, doing so as recently as a year ago when selecting Davion Mitchell. Many around the NBA feel that this pick is available for a team looking to swap picks and move up the draft for Ivey. Detroit, Indiana and Oklahoma City are among those that could potentially exchange an asset to help the Kings’ chances of contending for a playoff spot, with the likes of Jerami GrantMyles Turner and Lu Dort a few potential options that rival teams point to. In the event that the Kings elect to hold on to this pick and prefer to avoid the drama associated with picking a player against his camp’s will, the candidacy of Keegan Murray might be gaining steam with head coach-to-be Mike Brown. Owner Vivek Ranadive is also said to be a proponent of selecting him.

To recap: Jaden Ivey would prefer the Kings not draft him. The Kings pick may be available for any team willing to pay up for Ivey. Vivek Ranadive, and now Mike Brown, are fans of Keegan Murray. What Monte McNair wants remains unclear. And despite everything in that paragraph, Givony still selected Ivey for the Sacramento Kings.

Givony hit on all the Kings draft classics in that one. It feels like I’ve read some version of this blurb every year around draft time for the last decade. It all makes sense, and it could all be bullshit. That’s draft season, and this is how people will continue to write about the Kings (and how top draft prospects will continue to view the Kings) until they start winning.

The worst interpretation of Givony’s report won’t make a Kings fan feel good, but I’m not losing any sleep over it right now. This is how agents, teams, executives, and reporters use their platforms during this time in the NBA calendar. It’s interesting, it’s worth reading, but I’ll save my takes for draft night. We’re just going to have to wait and see how it all plays out.

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Dub_TC
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June 15, 2022 9:34 am

Vivek also wanted Mark Jackson. Didn’t get him.

Davion Mitchell didn’t want to come here, apparently. He’s here now and all in.

None of these bother me.

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June 15, 2022 10:41 am
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Yeah, Ivey prefers … Vivek likes …

Me:

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June 15, 2022 10:54 am
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That’s me tuu!

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June 15, 2022 12:47 pm
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No way, you tuu!? Metu..!

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June 15, 2022 1:45 pm
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Nobody knows anything. I like Keegan. Ivey might be a star. It’s all a crapshoot. Just don’t deal the damn pick for John Collins.

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June 15, 2022 7:20 pm
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There is no actual evidence that Vivek wanted Jackson over Brown . Both had GS backgrounds which smelled Vivekian .

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June 15, 2022 9:38 am

The only way to get rid of such reports is by actually behaving like a professional organization and especially buiding a good team that is a perenial play-off team.

Shouldn’t be that hard.

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June 15, 2022 10:20 am
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June 15, 2022 10:36 am
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June 21, 2022 2:37 pm
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“Let’s celebrate firing the best coach we’ve had since Adelman, who also happens to be the only guy ever that Cousins would play for! Yay!”

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June 15, 2022 7:01 pm
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You’re insinuating that Ivey doesn’t want to come to the Kings because of the organizations lack of success which is foolish. It’s much more likely that the reason he doesn’t want to be King has more to do with Fox than the Kings. I wouldn’t want to be a potential backup either.

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June 15, 2022 10:14 pm
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That was not what i was insinuating; I was “insinuating” that reports about a meddling owner and players wanting to go elsewhere will disappear once we are good. Nothing more, nothing less.

But I’ll bite; why is “foolish” to think that Ivey wouldn’t want to come here because this is one of the most dysfunctional franchises in NBA history that has failed to develop many players into (All) stars?

Sure, Fox can be another (even bigger) factor, but it is not farfetched to think that the Kings’ track recrd is a factor is well. {insert Why not both? meme}

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June 15, 2022 9:46 pm
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June 15, 2022 9:39 am

LOL, I just knew we’d hear of Vivek’s “likes” before the draft actually happened.

So, Sochan and Sharpe are working out today in PDX. Do we know if any of the projected picks for the Kings at #4 have worked out, or even talked, with the Kings?

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June 15, 2022 10:15 am
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We do not, which is how it ought to be. If we know something, the entire NBA knows it. I am content to wallow in my own ignorance until everything shakes out.

And, you know, just in general.

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June 15, 2022 12:01 pm
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It seems players are giving post workout interviews in other places so there seems to be no big secret on who is working out where. It makes me wonder if no one has bothered to workout or interview with the Kings.

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June 15, 2022 12:11 pm
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It shouldn’t, but it’s a free country.

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June 15, 2022 8:13 pm
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Agents like to advertise that some of the players are working out and interviewing. Shows the other teams that there is interest in those players.

Agents also need to show their players that they understand the NBA. This means that they must explain that they would be better off playing somewhere other than Sacramento if at all possible.

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June 20, 2022 8:26 am
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Agreed.

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June 15, 2022 12:26 pm
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The Kings YouTube posted a workout with Sochan in it a few days ago.

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June 15, 2022 12:48 pm
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I read that Dyson Daniels worked out for the Kings.

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June 15, 2022 1:46 pm
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Saw some little blurb that Sharpe didn’t really stand out in workout. The bloom might be coming off his rose. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him drop to 8, 9 or 10

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June 15, 2022 2:08 pm
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True, but hard to take any of those reports too seriously. GMs leak these tidbits sometimes hoping to change a picks’ landing spot. For example, maybe Sharpe crushed his workout in OKC, but was actually a mixed bag in Portland (say had an off shooting day). If OKC leaks that Sharpe played poorly for a lot of teams, that alone won’t change another team’s draft board, but maybe it adds an extra bit of doubt if they are trying to reconcile his mediocre shooting performance from their workout.

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June 15, 2022 2:32 pm
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Good catch, but also hard to trust anything this time of year.

I don’t think a rumor is going to change any team’s board. But teams will try to build some smoke. If Sharpe crushed his workout in OKC, but was just alright in Portland (say he shot poorly), maybe generating a rumor that he did poorly in all his workouts just plants a small seed of doubt in Portland’s head.

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June 15, 2022 9:45 am

Is Grant a good fit? If he is, then him and Murray would make for a great night.

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June 15, 2022 10:12 am
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I’d agree if the extension for Grant is reasonable. It’s a big if, but that’d be two wings added to a team desperate for them. Not much star power potential, but it’d make them a much more balanced and competitive roster.

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June 15, 2022 1:27 pm
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from what I understand, he’d be a great fit. Only issue is he wants an extension over 100 mill a year. Not sure I want to pay that for him.

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June 15, 2022 5:51 pm
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to trade 4 for 5 + Grant, need to add a player and salaries have to match. If the “asset” is another pick, no players needed but if the “asset” is a player, need to trade one.

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June 15, 2022 9:47 am

Looks like Mike Brown also likes the idea of drafting Murray.

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June 15, 2022 9:56 am

Kinda difficult to believe a report that states a team would be keen on reuniting Turner and Sabonis given it didn’t work out in Indy under a better organization.

But, it’s the Kings, so I guess anything is possible. Just seems unlikely.

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June 15, 2022 10:20 am
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I agree, reuniting Sabonis and Turner would, on its surface, be an odd move. On the other hand, Turner is a good player, and as such, a valuable asset, whether in Sacramento, or on the trade table. If this particular deal is the most compelling offer, you could do a hell of a lot worse.

I don’t see Indy moving Turner after essentially choosing him over Sabonis, but stranger things have happened.

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June 15, 2022 10:30 am
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The narrative is also overboard. The Pacers had good success when healthy. They just couldn’t keep their good players healthy at the same time the past couple years. Sabonis and Turner were a positive pairing.

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June 15, 2022 7:25 pm
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Indy chose Turner over Sabonis like Kings choosing Fox over Hali. The most valued and trade interest was moved .

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June 15, 2022 9:57 am

Let’s all remember something like this from 2018….

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1560035/amp

JJJ wanted nothing to do with the Grizz. Now look where things are. Kings: Take who you want and move forward, others be damned.

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June 15, 2022 2:44 pm
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Wish we had JJJ

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June 15, 2022 4:18 pm
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I thought he was the only acceptable alternative to Luka.

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June 21, 2022 2:40 pm
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There was no acceptable alternative to Luka … but somehow, someway, we came up with one …

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June 15, 2022 10:03 am

I think this is good news. Can’t argue with drafting Murray. Only other player I would consider here is Daniels.

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June 15, 2022 10:13 am

Ivey will be the most valuable asset at four (if he’s there), so you draft him. If Detroit or anyone else want to make offers, they have all summer to step up.

I think that McNair will make his own decision, which will be primarily based on BPA. If he determines that Murray, Sharpe, or Griffin is that player, that’s who he’s going to take.

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June 15, 2022 10:25 am
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Why is Ivey the most valuable asset at 4?

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June 15, 2022 10:34 am
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I think the idea is that Ivey is the closest thing to a consensus #4. So other teams would be interested in him there. Now, whether that’s true or not, who knows? Or true to the degree teams would be willing to give up significant assets to trade up for him.

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June 15, 2022 10:47 am

sounds like Thomas Robinson and Ben McLemore logic.

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June 15, 2022 10:49 am
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I’ve not read or seen anything that suggests that any of the other lottery picks outside the consensus top three are drawing more interest than Ivey. Another team can do anything that they want if they acquire the fourth pick, but I’m not getting the impression that the interest in the pick is about getting Murray, Sharpe, or anyone else.

The worst-case scenario at four is Jaden Ivey, and that’s a pretty damned good outcome.

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June 15, 2022 10:55 am
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so you’re saying Ivey is at least one tier below the consensus top 3. hmm.

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June 15, 2022 11:03 am
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He may be, but regardless, still a tier above Murray.

And I’d not be shocked if Ivey goes before the Kings are up.

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June 15, 2022 11:15 am
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so tier one would be three players, then tier two would be Ivey, and then tier three would go deep into the teens?

My concern here is that placing a high ranking on Ivey based on unsubstantiated rumors and meaningless mock drafts without actually having your own organization come to the same ranking based on its own in depth analysis might be a repeat of … drafting Thomas Robinson and Ben McLemore … even though there were other players the organization did want to get after doing an in depth analysis, like Damian Lilliard.

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June 15, 2022 11:31 am
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Yes, that’s exactly what I said. The players at five though eighteen are all of equal potential and worth.

It’s your right to be deliberately obtuse, but I don’t see how it benefits the validity of your opinion.

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June 15, 2022 11:46 am
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I’ll take that as a “no” you have not come to your own opinion on Ivey.

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June 15, 2022 12:12 pm
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I’d wager that you’re taking a hell of a lot more than just that.

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June 15, 2022 1:15 pm
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interesting phenomenon. Not only are you digging your heels in on an opinion that is not and never was yours, but you’re making an ad hominem attack on someone just because he has drawn attention to the lack of any analysis whatsoever to support your conclusion, which is a mistake that has been made in the past by this organization and probably is the number one reason why we’ve been miserable fans for 15 years.

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June 15, 2022 1:23 pm
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It goes farther back than that, man. My opinion about Jaden Ivey follows a straight line back through Watergate, MK Ultra, and directly to the murder of the Lindbergh baby.

Now it can be told: My opinion about Ivey is directly or indirectly responsible for nearly every tragedy on Earth going back nearly a century. And you can’t even punish me, because I’m immortal or something.

You’ve presented no counter-argument. You’ve done nothing more than state that my opinion is wrong. That’s your right, and you may very well be correct, but your petulance based entirely upon a thing which is currently unknowable is neither impressive, nor interesting in the least.

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June 15, 2022 1:44 pm
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UK Ultra was a top-secret CIA project that mind-controlled the Kings into selecting DeMarcus Cousins, Willie Cauley-Stein, and De’Aaron Fox.

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June 15, 2022 4:03 pm
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TKH Ultra compels me to give this a rec.

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June 15, 2022 7:26 pm
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actually, I asked you for the basis for your conclusion, which you have not answered. Then you said Ivey is clearly a tier above Murray, again with no analysis to back it, and then you said you’d place a wager that I’ve taken unspecified things.

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June 15, 2022 5:59 pm
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you are lucky to have only been miserable for 15 years.

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June 15, 2022 7:30 pm
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What tier was Giannis, Kawhi, Jokic , Booker, George and Butler . Tiers will bring tears .

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June 15, 2022 5:57 pm
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Orlando will take Smith. OKC is a wild card- they might trade if someone wants to move up for Ivey. But they are looking for a home run. Giddey and SGA are good but complementary players. Ivey could be a star.
In one way or another I think Chet drops to 4. Houston wants Banchero. If Smith and Banchero are gone would they take Ivey?

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June 15, 2022 10:32 am
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Yikes. They should only draft a play if:

A. The intend to keep him
B. They already have a trade lined up.

They should absolutely NOT draft a player based on the hope that some other team steps up with a trade later in the offseason.

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June 15, 2022 10:49 am

That’s not what I said. You take the best asset because he’s the most likely to be successful, with the hope that it plays out that way. Ivey, or anyone else on the roster, can be part of a trade in the short or long term, and if he turns out to be great, maybe Fox or Mitchell are moved, either way, it would present the opportunity to get good return.

I’ll quote Jerry forever: You can always trade talent. Ivey is in a higher tier than the other names being kicked around.

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June 15, 2022 12:05 pm
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Ivey is in a higher tier than the other names being kicked around.

That’s your opinion. I think Murray’s a better prospect than Ivey & I think Murray, Ivey & Sharpe are in the same tier.

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June 15, 2022 12:13 pm
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It is absolutely my opinion, but not remotely my opinion alone.

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June 15, 2022 12:15 pm
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It’s not just your opinion, but I disagree w/that opinion.

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June 15, 2022 12:39 pm
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America is the best.*

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June 15, 2022 12:27 pm
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Personally, I disagree with this:

“Ivey is in a higher tier than the other names being kicked around.”

but I don’t set the market.

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June 15, 2022 9:51 pm
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I don’t think he is in a higher tier than Murray. NBA is about wing versatility and he has gobs more than Ivey there, not to mention a better shooter, rebounder and defender. Give me Murray all day.

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June 15, 2022 6:00 pm

YES !!!!!!!!!

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June 15, 2022 12:00 pm
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Taking the BPA is more important than taking the most valuable asset. If the top 3 prospects are gone before #4, I think Murray’s the BPA.

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June 15, 2022 7:21 pm
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I believe Ivey is BPA if the top 3 go as expected. But I don’t think he ends up on the Kings. There’s a high probability IMO that he gets drafted top-3, possibly through someone trading up for him.

Even if he makes it to #4, the kings will trade out of it, probably swapping picks with another team in the top 10, with future pick swaps or an impact asset.

I would rather see Ivey as a King because I love the dynamic playmaking and alpha-dog mentality. But that’s what makes other teams want him, and with him not wanting to be here, Monty will extract his pound of flesh for him.

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June 15, 2022 10:25 am

Something I’ve noticed in all of these reports is that it’s always that other teams think the Kings will trade 4, or are willing to trade 4, or want a proven player. Not saying the reports are wrong, but it seems like its all speculations based on what other teams think the Kings might do. McNair has kept his cards close to the vest for two drafts, and I find it unlikely the Kings are tipping their hand this year.

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June 15, 2022 10:27 am
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Your use of bold italics there is making me think.

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June 15, 2022 10:27 am
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June 15, 2022 10:56 am
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We’ve noticed it, too. Givony was throwing darts there a little bit.

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June 15, 2022 11:04 am
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Jarts, actually. The report has caused traumatic brain injury to several children.

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June 15, 2022 1:34 pm
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He nailed the Bagley stuff and nailed it early. I think he obviously had a contact in the FO at that time. I don’t feel like anyone has a good contact with the Kings FO now, which is why teams are kinda guessing what they’ll do now.

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June 15, 2022 4:12 pm
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That front office leaked like a sieve, and that came straight from the top, a man whose knowledge of potential draftees also leaked like a sieve.

I remember when the order was revealed, and I thought “Doncic!” before remembering that his old coach was now in charge in Phoenix. But as the days went by, it became pretty clear that they wanted Ayton, which was difficult to argue against. So once again, I thought “Doncic!”

Honestly, VD’s actions are still hard to take as a Kings fan, but they seem even more reprehensible because of the absolute lack of common sense.

When you put dumb people in charge of things, they try to prove that they are smarter than actual smart people, and throw a curveball to show that no one tells them what to do, and they know better.

It applies to everything, business, sports, politics, you name it. Dumb people will wreck an enterprise every time, unless they happen upon dumb luck.

I can’t remember the last time I had dumb luck, and I make no bones about absolutely needing some.

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Something I’ve noticed in all of these reports is that it’s always that other teams think 

It’s leverage season and other front offices use the Kings for who knows what. Some day the tables will turn oh wait nevermind, Vivek.

This will be the pick that finally transforms the organization for sure.

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June 15, 2022 10:28 am

I’m going to go ahead and say it again, The Kings aren’t ANYONE’S preferred destination. I’m not high on Ivey, but IF they were planning on drafting him, this shouldn’t change anything.

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June 15, 2022 10:30 am

Daniels recently mentioned the Kings and Spurs as good draft destinations.

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June 15, 2022 10:34 am
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Given other options, absolutely zero players would choose to go to Sacramento.

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June 15, 2022 10:51 am
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That seems like a red flag as to Daniels’ judgment.

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June 15, 2022 12:20 pm
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He probably considers the Kings his highest possible destination.

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June 15, 2022 12:28 pm
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This. Like Fox and Bagley before him.

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June 15, 2022 1:43 pm
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Low BBIQ. Do not draft.

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June 15, 2022 4:35 pm
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He has a high BBIQ. He probably considers the Kings his highest possible destination, so he’s demonstrating that $ outweighs the Kings being a shit show.

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June 15, 2022 5:15 pm
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Funny how often that is the case with pprofessionals.

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June 15, 2022 10:31 am

BUT I WAS TOLD SACRAMENTO WAS HALIBURTON’S PREFERRED DESTINATION AND THEREFORE OTHER TEAMS PASSED ON HIM

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June 15, 2022 12:58 pm
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*chef’s kiss*

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June 15, 2022 6:05 pm

You are correct- the Kings are not the preferred destination for anyone. If Daniels or anyone else says Kings are preferred, this is an agent scam for the player to move up.
There is a guy from Tennessee state that prefers the Kings- good pick at 4 because he likes us !

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June 15, 2022 10:30 am

Ehh I could care less if the reports are true or not. It’s draft season after all and everything is fair game. If Ivey is Monte’s guy and is there at 4, I expect Monte and the Kings to select Ivey. Whether he likes it not.

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June 15, 2022 10:51 am
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Facts.

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June 15, 2022 11:35 am
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Here is an idea. The three needs for the Kings to improve this year are bench upgrades, shooting guard and a 3 and D wing. Here are some ideas,some mine and some others,collectively
Here is a three way trade that involves Portlant Detroit and Sacramento.
Portland gets Gerami Grant and Rachuan Holmes.
Detroit gets Eric Bledsoe the #4 pick and the #7 pick.
Sacramento gets Josh Hart, the #5 pick and the #36 pick.
Trade Harrison Barnes and the #37 pick for Caris LeVert and the #14 pick.
The Kings select Keegan Murray with the #5 pick and Tari Eason with the #14 pick.
Trade Terrance Davis, Justin Holiday and Trey Lyles and the #’s 36 and 49 picks to the Washinton Wizards for Kyle Kuzma.
Restructure the contracts for Donte Divincenzo and Damian Jones.
Your roster would look like this.
Fox Mitchell
LeVert Divincenzo
Murray Hart
Kuzma Eason/Metu
Sabonis Jones/Queta
This should address the King’s three needs and I think would get them to the playoffs. Please comment.

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June 15, 2022 11:45 am
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P.S. I did some comparisons on Kuzma and a couple of other power forwards including O G Anunoby. O G rates higher in defense but Kuzma is much better in areas of scoring and rebounds. At nearly 6′ 10′ he is a really good rebounder likes to slash to the basket and with help from this years defensive minded coaching staff I am sure he can improve defensively and be a good weakside defender along side Sabonis. His next two years salary is only 13 million.

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June 15, 2022 7:39 pm
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That is why Washington would have zero interest in this Kings dump.

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June 16, 2022 6:32 am
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Why not? Look what Dalles just did to get Christian Wood.

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June 16, 2022 8:39 am
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They moved Wood to open a spot for Banchero .

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June 15, 2022 11:47 am
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That’s a lot to consider, and would require an unprecedented amount of like-thinking and cooperation from five separate franchises. The outcome for the Kings would be great, but there’s a lot of ifs that would need to be overcome.

My understanding is that Jones & DiVincenzo are RFA or free agents, and that therefore, there are no contracts to restructure.

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June 15, 2022 12:04 pm
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I was thinking to get them to sign before free agency then we would have about 14 mil. for free agents. I personallylike Malik Monk and T J Warren.

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June 15, 2022 4:15 pm
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Why would they sign before FA unless the Kings were to drastically overpay?

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June 15, 2022 11:49 am
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I’ll do you one better lol

#4 for 10, Rui, Deni (Wizards are looking for a backcourt partner for Beal, and supposedly like Ivey)

I like your Barnes trade, so we’ll keep that one

Here’s the interesting trade idea that I have seen floated around…

Mitchell and Holmes to Phoenix for Cam Johnson and Saric(coming off injury)

we would then have 10 and 14 in the draft

Fox,
Lavert, Donte, Davis
Johnson, Deni
Rui, Saric, Metu
Sabonis

We can then use those two picks to get more shooting and defense, or perhaps a backup PG/C

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June 15, 2022 12:05 pm
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I personally want to keep Mitchell.

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June 15, 2022 11:22 am

Nothing has given me as much pause about selecting Keegan Murray as Vivek also wanting to select Murray

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June 15, 2022 11:44 am
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Reminds me of ‘Nik Rocks’ 🤙

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June 15, 2022 7:42 pm
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Reminds me of Vivek saying Kings were willing to move up to get McLemore🤙

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June 15, 2022 12:25 pm
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Thankfully, the report also says that Brown wants Murray. This is probably a situation where even a stopped clock can be correct.

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June 15, 2022 1:00 pm
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Seriously.

“I love this dude.”

“Vivek also likes him.”

“I hate this dude.”

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June 15, 2022 3:50 pm

I lol’ed.

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June 15, 2022 11:39 am

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June 15, 2022 11:54 am

Rookies shouldn’t have a say on where to go. If he’s available, the Kings should draft him. Ivey should play his ass off and if he’s not feeling Sacramento in a few years then he can go wherever he wants when his rookie contact ends.

Tired if this entitled BS by rooks.

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June 15, 2022 11:57 am
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The Kings should draft BPA. If they think that’s Ivey, so be it. Personally, I think it’s Murray, but it isn’t my call.

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June 15, 2022 12:10 pm
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This has been going on since forever. Nothing new. Curry didn’t want to be drafted by the Warriors and look how it turned out. Jaren Jackson also didn’t want to go to Memphis but they still drafted him. Josh Jackson reportedly didn’t want to workout for Boston, etc.

Most of the time, its just the agents wanting the best possible outcome for their clients. Maybe they see Sacramento that already has Fox, Mitchell and Donte as not the best fit for Ivey. Regardless, this isn’t Vlade making the call now so I don’t think that “I don’t want to be drafted by the Kings” is gonna work.

If Monte sees Ivey as BPA, he will draft Ivey regardless.

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June 15, 2022 1:18 pm
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Curry actually wore a purple tie on draft day.

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June 15, 2022 1:26 pm
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Damn, that stings.

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June 15, 2022 2:15 pm
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Back in ’09, I was probably one of the few who wanted the Kings to draft Curry with the 4th pick. We needed a PG badly and he was one of the best shooters in that draft. Didn’t expect he would turn out to be THE best shooter and the leading 3 point makes in NBA history.

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June 15, 2022 3:28 pm
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I was on the Jonny Flynn train, followed by Jrue Holiday.

This has been yet another entry in the series titled “Why I blather on in a blog thread and don’t work in a front office.”

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June 15, 2022 4:12 pm
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Someday some of us (probably me) are going to be making similar confessions about who we were touting in this year’s draft class.

Which is why I’m not really going to be mad whoever the Kings select this year. I’ve realized my judgement of draft prospects isn’t all that great, so I’m just going to be content that we get to select someone at #4.

(I’ll get mad when the season starts and our #4 pick turns out to be Thomas-Robinson bad. 😛 )

But seriously, I’ve talked up mostly Paolo and Murray, but will totally be happy if we get Ivey, or Holmgren or whoever.

Just no tradebacks to pick up John Salmons, please!

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June 15, 2022 4:20 pm
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I haven’t been too far off on Kings picks, but I certainly have been on other prospects. Damn you, Randy Foye.

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June 15, 2022 5:11 pm

I had Kawhi rated 5th on my board! (I had Jan Veseley 6th.)

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June 15, 2022 5:43 pm
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So many drafts; so many bad missed picks, so many wrong sure things so many disappointments.

I’ve read somewhere that some people think this draft game is hard. It’s weird because I also think it’s difficult yet many of the same people who continue to ignore their missteps and highly tout their wins continue to blab on about it each and every year.

My bad calls are so numerous I’ve learned to stop wondering why I bother. Even that doesn’t stop me. I can’t get over Adam Morrison being so very awful. That was 2006 (3rd pick, from Gonzaga and chosen by Charlotte by first year GM Michael Jordan). Why? Why? Why?

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I still remember who my picks were from 2009 up to 2021 and I can say I’ve done a decent job with my picks.

2009 – Curry
2010 – Cousins
2011 – Kawhi – We needed a damn SF!
2012 – Drummond
2013 – McCollum
2014 – McDermott
2015 – Stanley Johnson – yikes!
2016 – Marquesse Chriss – sigh!
2017 – Fox , Mitchell
2018 – LUKA!
2019 – didn’t bother since we don’t have a FRP
2020 – Nesmith – although I was ecstatic when Haliburton fell to us.
2021 – Sengun

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June 15, 2022 4:21 pm
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I do think that Evans was the right choice at the time, although I was a fan of Curry’s game, more as a facilitator than, say, the greatest shooter in the history of the game.

Time will make fools out of almost everyone.

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June 15, 2022 4:18 pm
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I think you’ve overstated this a bit. If I’m in Ivey’s position, I’d want to go to an organization with a record of success. The nature of the draft turns that on its head, save for when a contender acquires a high pick, or a good team like the Warriors has bad luck due to injuries, but is still a team with championship-caliber talent.

This isn’t entitlement. There’s nothing he can do about it unless he refuses to report, and I can’t recall a recent occasion when that’s happened. I don’t penalize people for their honesty, even when it stings a bit.

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June 15, 2022 4:27 pm
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Personally, i actually think it’s kinda shitty that rookies have little to no control over where they have to spend the first four years of their career.

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June 15, 2022 5:14 pm

The principle of it is absolutely unfair. Unless one stretches the meaning of “employer” wide enough to say that all players work for the NBA, then the right to choose one’s place of work is infringed upon for most rookies in most sports. I’d guess that lawsuits along these lines must have been filed, but the courts seem to bend over backwards to help professional sports leagues.

See “NFL found guilty of anti-trust violations, gets fined three bucks.”

If I recall, MLB has an exemption from antitrust law, which has to make running a franchise pretty cozy.

Unfortunately, a better way of doing things hasn’t occurred to me. Draftees would invariably prefer to go to Los Angeles, Miami or New York, and maybe well-run franchises like GSW, San Antonio, and Milwaukee. No one wants to be drafted by Indiana, New Orleans or Sacramento.

The competitive balance in the NBA is currently at a steep angle, and that kind of freedom would put a third of the teams out of business, I’d think. There has to be something reasonable equitable to teams and players that falls between these two extremes. I’ll leave that to smarter people., because I’ve got nothing.

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June 15, 2022 6:11 pm
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Oh, nothing’s going to happen with it, because worker self-determination isn’t the goal of the league, nor is it a focus of the courts as you mention.

The goal of the league isn’t to create a worker’s paradise. Just like the goal of the playoffs isn’t to determine the best team.

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June 15, 2022 7:26 pm

It’s one of the few Cons to being part of a very exclusive and lucrative business enterprise.

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June 15, 2022 12:53 pm

When asked about the idea of drafting a certain player, what the hell else are they suppose to say? “No, we think he sucks and do not want him here.”

I get that they could side step the question like everyone else, but I don’t read much in to this kind of stuff.

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June 15, 2022 1:10 pm

So much smoke…

very little burning

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June 15, 2022 1:41 pm
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They call that a successful night in the Red Light District.

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June 15, 2022 1:19 pm

Could be as simple as Ivey thinks he and Fox have too many overlapping skills and he couldn’t maximize his talents here.

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June 15, 2022 1:47 pm

Can you sneak back into the first round by trading Harrison Barnes?

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June 15, 2022 4:50 pm
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There’s a good chance they could do that if they wanted to, but they won’t do that due to Vivek’s “playoffs or bust” mandate.

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June 15, 2022 3:45 pm

How is it that some, not all, but some Kings fans are out on Ivey because he’s a guard and we can’t very well draft another guard, but then turn around and say they’re good taking Dyson Daniels, who last I checked was a guard? We’re not good taking the top guard in the draft, but want the slightly more inferior one?

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June 15, 2022 4:18 pm
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  1. I’m not sure I’ve seen many Kings fans say not to draft Ivey because he’s a guard.
  2. Dyson and Ivey are such drastically different prospects in terms of both physical aspects and skillsets that one could easy, rationally see one as a good roster fit and the other as not. “Guard” is an extremely broad category.
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June 15, 2022 7:29 pm
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Daniels is more of a playmaking wing. He can struggle to score but he does everything else well. He’s 6-8 and I believe he’s still growing. There is nothing to say he can’t play as a secondary playmaker from the SF position.

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June 16, 2022 5:38 am
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He is more of a Haliburton than a Fox. Like a worse shooting, more defensive version of Haliburton. So he is definitely more than “a guard”.

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June 15, 2022 7:55 pm
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Daniels is different because he’s a great defender at about 6’7″ with wingspan who not only is switchable, but is also a defensive playmaker, who is also good on the ball. So, defensively, he’s more of a wing, which the Kings need. He’s also a playmaker, which the Kings need, and having him on the roster would enable the Kings to put the best starting 5 on the floor without having to stagger the minutes of playmakers. He’s also a good rebounder with a good motor and has a high IQ. Okay, up to this point, I think this archetype of a player is in high demand and relatively short supply. But I’ll continue. He has also trained for six years as an Aussie Rules footballer, which is extremely physical, and requires versatility unlike highly specialized positions in American football, and it seems to be a pretty cool sport with a camaraderie which I get and like to see as a fan because I can get behind a team more that has it. Not to say that it’s all Aussie Rules. He grew up around hoops and his dad was a good professional basketball player, which probably explains some of his old school ways to get buckets. The shot is something that I would like the experts to look at, and that’s the main reason why at this point, I’m saying I’d consider him at 4, and have not gone so far as to rank him over Murray.

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June 16, 2022 3:04 pm
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Good and interesting points. If Sacramento were to swap down more than a slot or two, I could get on board with Daniels.

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June 15, 2022 5:48 pm

It does not matter what Ivey’s “people” want-They can have all the preference they want but so what? Quite a few players did not want to come her and did not work out. So what? No one is going to sit out, once drafted. Webber did not want to come here either.
Agents do a lot to steer their clients. I suppose this is a blend of- this is Sacramento + a poor potential fit with Fox.
What is his preference, anyway? NYK?
I wish I could say with confidence that VR does not matter either, but I am afraid that he does interfere too much. What integrity does Monte have if he gives in?
I think Ivey is BPA and I would take him but I expect that the Kings will find a way not to.

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June 16, 2022 9:35 am
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I think OKC’s posturing more than Sac is. They wantto take Ivey and make Sac pay for them having the #2 pick. But the issue is that Monte McNair is much too smart to blink and let himself get played over Chet Holmgren. Monte has had the luxury of saying to Presti:”Do what you’re gonna do. I’ve still got the 4th pick with options that help me.”

Which is how Monte should be playing this.

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June 15, 2022 6:14 pm

Christian Wood to Mavs for 26th pick and cannon fodder. Glad he’s not a Kings target anymore.

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June 15, 2022 6:49 pm
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That’s a nice deal for the Mavs.

And might signal that they’re anticipating drafting a Big.

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June 15, 2022 7:12 pm

The Rockets are anticipating drafting a big, that is.

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June 15, 2022 9:40 pm

Another deadly 3 pt shooter to Dallas!

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June 15, 2022 10:22 pm
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Just wait until he gets the standard Doncic 50 pt bump on his shooting percentage.

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June 15, 2022 7:40 pm

After reading Built to Lose this week it’s blowing my mind how little any of this even means to anyone at an NBA level. Meaning the rumors and innuendo.

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June 15, 2022 8:03 pm

I think Ivey is a top three prospect in this years draft. The consensus just doesn’t know it yet.

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June 15, 2022 8:53 pm
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And probably won’t for a few years, if ever.

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June 15, 2022 10:54 pm

lol “if ever” Noice.

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June 15, 2022 8:49 pm

I think in the recent interview with ESPN’s Schmitz, Ivey mentions Davion as someone he wants to emulate on defense. No better way to learn than to be on the same team as Davion.

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