The Sacramento Kings and Los Angeles Lakers have discussed Montrezl Harrell as part of a potential trade package for Buddy Hield, according to a report from HoopsHype’s Michael Scotto.
The Lakers and Kings have discussed a deal centered on Kyle Kuzma and Buddy Hield, as The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported. Multiple league sources told HoopsHype that Harrell and the Lakers’ 22nd overall pick were also discussed in variations of the trade talks centered around Kuzma and Hield.
The wording in the report is a little unclear, and it’s easy to read that as say that the Kings would be receiving Kuzma, Harrell, and the 22nd overall pick, which would be an absolute steal for Sacramento. However it seems like those are three pieces that have been discussed as different versions of the potential trade, which makes a lot more sense.
Harrell has a $9.7 million player option for the upcoming season, and Scotto reports that he’s undecided on opting in or out of that option, which could be holding up a potential trade.
If the Kings get Harrell, Grant Napear is going to curl up into a fetal ball. I hated how much he gushed over him every time he’d trounce the Kings.
I’d be very happy to get Kuzma & Harrell for Buddy Hield.
A couple of years ago, it seemed like we could’ve gotten two 1st Round picks for Buddy. Then this past year we would’ve been lucky to get a bag of chips & a half drank Diet Coke. It’s nice to see the pendulum swinging back towards some value.
If title contenders are willing to overpay in trade for ancillary talent then the Kings should happily be sellers.
The contenders in their mind are not overpaying. Value is determined simply by two GM’s finding common ground and making a trade.
Kuzma is an average player. Trezz isn’t even playable in many instances. Whereas Buddy playing off Lebron and AD is going to equate to a lot of open threes for one of the best shooters in the game and spacing for the Lebron and AD.
Value all depends on how you look at it.
Totally agree. Trez-no D bench dude. Kuz-probably an ok 6/7th man on a decent team.
I always believed Buddy is way better/more valuable than many/most. He’s the only player out of those 3 who has an elite skill-the most important one-shooting.
Unless the are using a Kuz/Trez as assets-don’t want those players. If they do the deal I’d much rather have the 22 than Harrell. It’s like the Kings are allergic to building.
I wouldn’t be happy about it, but it frees up $8 million in 22-23 and $6 million in 23-24 and opens you up to dealing Barnes and letting Holmes walk (still a front office failure). That’s two downgrades in talent, but if you can package Barnes + 9, maybe you get something decent back and end up with a neutral to net talent upgrade with more salary flexibility.
Well if a team is willing to overpay then u do it and correct any collateral damage thru a second move which may come Via a rookie in the 22 overall pick, I love holmes just as much as the next person but not enough to turn away trades that benefit your team. Not sure if Harell gonna wanna cooperate tho
If we get Kuz and Trez for buddy it’s a talent upgrade for this team. The fits are better. Especially if we somehow keep Holmes (trade bags?)
It was never we would of been lucky to get a bag of chips, that’s just how a lot of the fans on this site think.
That is my feeling too. Who said Buddy isn’t good-doesn’t have value-even with his contract.
So that’s our team building strategy; get all the role players who go supernova against us.
we should trade for Cory Joseph!
It’s our destiny.
It sure seems interesting. I love Buddy but he is too expensive with Haliburton seeming like a quality starter, and bringing in two role players in a position of need with easy to digest contracts keeps the roster flexible. It seems like the Kings would have to send some future seconds or something.
I guess the other shoe to drop would be when Bagley is moved, is there so little salary coming back that they had room to sign Holmes, or if they worked a sign-and-trade with him. I don’t know if he is really going to get that 18mill a year offer from Toronto or Charlotte, thats a final piece of the puzzle move for one of those teams, and I dont know if they are there yet.
I’d guess Holmes ends up with four years at something in the $12-15 mil range. I hope he gets as much as possible, but I think going higher than four years/$50 mil is an overpay.
Throw in that Antetokounmpo guy and you got yourselves a deal.
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If they include Harrell and #22, I’ve heard they also want our#9, which makes this a lot less desirable, unless the Kings also have a deal in place to offload Barnes, Bagley and #22 (plus a future pick) for Turner or something. Leaves us pretty vacant at the wing tho.
I also hope the Kings are patient and see if they make something happen w Brandon Ingraham.
I haven’t seen #9 included in any iterations. And it certainly shouldn’t be. Even if we were to say the Hield and Kuzma were roughly equal, #22 + Harrell isn’t anywhere near worth #9.
Monte would have to be a complete moron to include #9 in any iteration of a Buddy/Kuz trade.
I’d hold out for LeBron or AD.
Somebody doesn’t think LBJ or AD would be a good get for the Kings! 😉
maybe they didn’t think it was enough coming back to the Kings
With or without 22, that really looks like a nice bump for the Kings’ roster.
We can always take KCP if Harrell is balky.
I said it on Twitter a few hours ago that if I’m Harrell or his agent and I’m hearing of this rumor that I might be traded to Sac if I opt into my deal, I’d decide to immediately opt out to both make my own path and make more in free agency. After all, didn’t he take a discounted deal in order to go the Lakers to chase a ring? I have to think he’d make more than $9.7M per year in free agency.
I don’t know. LeBron killed the value of at least four of his teammates this year! 😉
He might, although I think he lost a decent amount of shine over the course of his season with the Lakers. I don’t think that he was used as effectively as he was with the Clippers, which may depress his number a bit. It’ll be interesting to see how whomever signs first, Holmes or Harrell, affects the offers to the other.
Yeah, I think playing with the Lakers did that and most GMs would recognize what he did with the Clippers. He’s a year removed from 6th man of the year and got less touches and minutes with the Lakers.
I’ll add, he’d be very good on a team like Dallas and could make more money there.
He’s unplayable in the playoffs. Doc kept sending him out against the Joker, which is why the Clips lost in the bubble. Check Harrell’s minutes and the net rating when he was on the floor. It’s why the Clippers didn’t keep him, or Doc for that matter. Vogel figured it out this year. I’d hate to seem him here, but to get that pick it’s probably worth it.
So not a problem for the Kings then? 😉
But is he playable in the playoffs (run) for the play in?
Trez does not, cannot defend. That’s why Clips and now LA don’t want him. He’s kinda empty calories.
Yet we’re hand-wringing about losing Holmes.
Huh?
I thought Holmes’ defense was slightly above average considering the monumental task Walton assigned to him last year. The guy defended the pick and roll almost single handedly for our team for 3/4ths of the season…
If Holmes is worth $12-$15 million, Harrell is worth in the same general range and possibly a bit less on a long term deal. There’s no reason for him to opt in if he’s being traded.
Especially if it is to the Kings. What would anyone do if they had the choice to go to Sacramento on a discount or hit free agency and write your own ticket? Seems like a no brainer.
Maybe Harrell and Holmes are a wash offensively but when it matters, Harrell has had to sit due to his defensive shortcomings — in crunch time of close games or in playoffs he gets attacked relentlessly, despite his high energy and hustle. Anyway, that’s what I’ve read from various nba in-the-know types. I think Holmes is at least neutral in most defensive schemes.
Sure, I could see that. I mean, the Kings defense is already near worst all time, so what do we have to lose!?!?
Holmes and Harrell are not going to get the same money on the open market
I think we really overvalue Holmes because he has a cool mom.
Not even close. Holmes has value, being he can actually be depended on both offensively and defensively. Harrell rebounds decently, has long hair and does the flex thing after he dunks, which is usually about 16 times a game against the Kings, but only about 3 times a game against anyone else, really.
I don’t think he gets more than the MLE this year, probably more like 7-8 mil a year
OT: I don’t like it.
Yeah, in a league where over half the teams already make the playoffs, it’s dumb from a competition stand point.
Especially when you could potentially have a crappy 10th seed luck out and beat a very good 7th seed that is missing a star or two for a single game. It kind of defeats the premise of insisting on a 7 game series for the rest of the playoffs.
They’re not in the competition business, they’re in the making a ton of money business. This makes them more money, hence, play-in games are here to stay.
If want to make a ton of money they should expand to 32 instead of this silly play-in nonsense.
Why not both?
I know I’m in the minority, but I like the play-in. Then again, the NBA (and Kings especially) have become more of a soap opera than about actual basketball.
I would like the play-in if I didn’t feel like this front office would declare mission accomplished playing .450 basketball, falling into the 10th seed and lucking into beating the 7th seed in a one game playoff.
Perhaps the ultimate KANGZ would be trading for a win now player with another West team, that gets us to 7th, the other team finishes 10th, traded player gets injured, 10th seed beats us and we don’t actually make the playoffs.
This is going to be one of those things like the time someone on the old site correctly predicted Rudy Gay would be the highest game scorer of the season, with the amount he would score, and he wasn’t even on the team yet!
Of course if it wasn’t for the offseason drama WTF would any of us be doing here. That’s what makes the NBA better than any other league. We can talk about the drama all year long. I liked the play in this year myself.
I agree. That’s why I limited my opinion to a competitive stand point! 🙂
Add two expansion teams and make it a 32-team playoff.
Edit: apparently Adam covered that already.
Hooray!
Further dilution of a league that already allows over fifty percent of the teams into the tournament. May as well shorten the regular season, since it’s being made increasingly meaningless.
Will be interesting to see if the Kings try to spin being the 10th worst team in the conference as somehow ending their infinite playoff drought.
They’d first have to be good enough to actually finish tenth.
Solid point!
If the Kings can just get Kuzma and Harrell for Hield run to the bank with that.
I’d hold out for #22.
Kangz don’t tank, bro.
Wait, “bank”!?
Give me Harrell and the 22 for Buddy any day!
I’m good with almost any combination of the Kings getting back Kuzma, KCP, Harrel, or #22 for Buddy. I do not like any deal that would include us parting with #9. IIRC, I thought the Lakers were capped out to where they couldn’t take on a salary of a #9 pick and that’s why #22 is being dangled with the Kings #39 possibly being included for LAL to take a player on the cheap.
My dream offseason. Package Bagley+#9 for Myles Turner+#13. Trade Buddy for Kuz+#22. Use #13+#22 (or #39) for Siakim. New Starting Five:
Fox
Hali
Barnes
Siakim
Turner
Playoff, Profit!!!
That would be fun. But the difference in value between Turner and Bagley is WAY more than 4 draft slots. And I don’t think #13 + #22 is getting you anywhere close to Siakam.
A guy can dream…. lol.
Also doesn’t come close to fitting under salary cap. Fun dream tho.
I would make one more move and maybe package Barnes somehow. As this proposed starting 5 stands now with, Fox, Hali, Barnes, Siakim, and Turner, we’re looking at another 38 win season, maximum. Definitely sub .500. Take it to the bank. And throw in an inept coach, to top it off.
If Trez opts out, the Kings essentially wipe $9M off their cap sheet. This should put the Kings around $20M under the cap and allow them to be more competitive for Holmes. If he opts in we’ve got Trez on a pretty friendly deal. I think I like it either way.
I would assume he has to opt in before a deal could be made.
This is correct. Teams cannot trade a guy with the PO in the offseason until said player officially opts in.
Ah, I was hoping for a loophole that allows the Lakers to trade Trez and use him as a matching salary but then have him opt out so that the Kings could use the money to sign Holmes. Although Trez and Holms are pretty similar in a lot of respects.
Get some other team to absorb trez into their cap space and sign richaun.
Lakers reportedly offered kuz and their no 22 pick to Indiana for no 13 (Pacers supposedly declined). The Lakers are just trying to get anything for him at this point. Monte needs to be smart and use Lakers interest to drum up better compensation elsewhere
That’s insulting if you’re Indiana.
I think it was the guys on the Athletic that said the Lakers have offered Kuz and some combination of the 22, KCP, Harrell to pretty much every team in the league.
I know that there could be financial considerations, but shouldn’t the emphasis be upon getting players that improve the team defensively?
Looks like the Kings extended a QO to Terence Davis, making him restricted. Not sure if there’s a cap or exception reason to keep him? I’d be a little surprised if they retain him at more than $4-$5 million per year
Zach Lowe with this turd:
I guess no one ever got fired for believing the Kings would do the stupidest possible thing, but we would be taking on $11 million in salary in 21-22, $15 million in 22-23 for a worse player, and we’re sending out a useful rotation player, while burning our only decent trade assets, to move up two spots?
I’ll have what he’s smoking.
Yeah, that’s not great. I’ve seen a lot worse, but that sure is a lot of money to take on to move up two spots. Let the fact that Minnesota’s conveyed draft pick isn’t as high as four, or completely unprotected next year be their problem.
Of course, then you could package nine & seven for…?
No. No!
Wiggins and Bagley on the same team. Way too much potential on one bench.
This is gold. Should be purpled…
How about this: Trade Buddy for Kuzma, Harrell and the #22, draft Sungen at #9, then trade Bagley to Utah for Joe Ingles, who’s on an expiring contract.
Ingles is not going to get traded for Bagley. They can get a real player for him. Bagley might be a real player someday but not now.
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